YTSEJAM Digest 5221
Today's Topics:
1) Pink Floyd (reprise)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) Playstation or Nintendo 64? (NDTC)
by MusicSnob@aol.com
3) Re: Arthur Brown
by MTeiper@aol.com
4) RE: Online coupons?
by MTeiper@aol.com
5) Re:Concept albums/Pink Floyd
by Fett2002@aol.com
6) concept albums
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@mail.wm.edu>
7) Re: Concept Albums
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
8) Re: Bjork
by William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu>
9) The Final Cut
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) lyrics..
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@mail.wm.edu>
11) RE: Bjork
by "crimson royalty" <phairgirl@hoe.nu>
12) Re: FII Opinions
by Bunny1682@aol.com
13) Re:Concept albums
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
14) James in Luxemburg
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5220
by "=?iso-8859-1?B?TWljaGFlbCBXZWnf?=" <weiss666@hotmail.com>
16) The Wall & Q2K
by "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com>
17) Windows 9x splash screens
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
18) Ytse-Baby
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
19) Re: Ytse-Baby
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
20) AD
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
21) DT "Regression of a Memory" 2CD set
by Volodya <oanrec@club-internet.fr>
22) Re:Concept albums
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:44:00 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Pink Floyd (reprise)
Message-ID: <001101bf3e98$4fd25a00$880d84d0@safelink.net>
Doh! I should have asked this with my last post, but doesn someone here
know where a person can download Pink Floyd/Roger Waters rarities in MP3
format? I'm looking for some of their unreleased songs (especially When the
Tigers Broke Free) and have no idea where to start looking. Considering
people rename MP3's all stupid (like PF-WTTBF.mp3) and shit it becomes a
pain in the ass to find them. :P
Thanks! Private mail please!
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:13:08 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Playstation or Nintendo 64? (NDTC) Message-ID: <0.38d6dc0d.257aebf4@aol.com>
I am thinking of asking for one of the above game systems for Christmas, and I figured there would be plenty of geeks around here who could weigh in with in an opinion on which was better (via private email, please). Thanks.
NP: Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:16:22 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Arthur Brown Message-ID: <0.cc6ad708.257aecb6@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/04/1999 3:35:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Dale sayeth: >Arthur Brown's something or other
Crazy World of Arthur Browm. Carl Palmer played with them on that song. >>
Another interesting thing about Arthur Brown... I think I read somewhere that Bruce Dickinson had him read all of the spoken word segues between the songs on "The Chemical Wedding" because he had such a badass speaking voice. I'd get up and check the CD myself to be sure of this, but I'm a lazy ass and I just got done wolfing down some pan pizza from Pizza Hut... *burp*
Lates... Matt T.
NP: Slow Motion MP3 from David Van Glabeke's JP webpage... nice job on the page, BTW! :-)
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:21:31 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Online coupons? Message-ID: <0.4a2b4b3.257aedeb@aol.com>
In a message dated 12/03/1999 5:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< http://www.fightdivx.com/coupons.htm has more coupons than you could ever want! >>
I hadn't heard of that one, so I checked it out... wow, you weren't kidding!! By the way, the one that I use all the time, I think someone posted on the Jam at one point:
http://www.stormloader.com/deardeer
I haven't "taken the time" yet to cross-reference the 2 coupon sites to see how many overlapping coupons there are, but I would think that between these 2 you should be all set for a LONG time. :-)
Laterz... Matt T.
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:02:08 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Concept albums/Pink Floyd Message-ID: <0.cfb13ce6.257af770@aol.com>
>> I have to admit that I have never listened to the whole 'Wall'
>You don't need to. The ONLY way to really understand the entire thing is >if you watch the movie (preferably on a HUGE stereo). If you've never >seen the movie, DO IT. It's incredibly well-made, but VERY spooky; It is >severely disturbing at times
On the subject of Pink Floyd and The Wall, I was just wondering about The Final Cut album. I'm a huge fan of Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals , and the Wall, but I dont have The Final Cut and dont really know anything about it. I dont think I've ever heard any of the songs on the radio. Could somebody give their opinion on it? I heard that it is all the songs that didnt make the Wall essentially. I'm just wondering if it's worth getting. -Mike
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 18:07:15 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@mail.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: concept albums Message-ID: <199912042303.SAA18550@email.wm.edu>
>but the best Concept Album IMHO is 'Nightfall in Middle-Earth' by Blind Guardian - at least for fans of >the fantasy genre! (For those who don't know) it tells the story of 'The Silmarillion', the book >which is the 'prequel' to Tolkien's 'The Lord of the Rings', the greatest fantasy epic of all time. It is one >of the most atmospheric CDs I've ever heard. >anyone agree?
I have to throw in my two cents for this... definitely, absolutely. Great disc. Every time I see it mentioned on the 'jam I have to plug it, it seems. :) I love every single song on that disc. That is indeed a rare quality on albums - at least for me - hence my appreciation of SFaM, hehe.
In any case, I think this is an incredible CD. I am a rabid fan. Screaming, powerful melodies, especially good for playing at high volume in the car or for scaring the people in your hall :) Even without a complete comprehension or appreciation for the story, it stands VERY solid musically speaking; however, the story is just way cool, especially if you're at all familiar with Tolkien's stuff. BG manage to match the music very well with the story atmosphere. Check it out if you haven't already!
Alex (another one :)
"The White House has always attracted the mentally ill."
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 18:19:45 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Concept Albums Message-ID: <2.2.32.19991205001945.01684f6c@pi-r-squared.com>
At 08:02 AM 12/4/99 -0800, you wrote: > >On Sat, 4 Dec 1999, Alex Gajic wrote: > >> I have to admit that I have never listened to the whole 'Wall' > >You don't need to. The ONLY way to really understand the entire thing is >if you watch the movie (preferably on a HUGE stereo). If you've never >seen the movie, DO IT. It's incredibly well-made, but VERY spooky; It is >severely disturbing at times.
I disagree, I think the movie has elements which are distracting (the whole Nazi thing) and it's easier to get the emotional journey from the album. Don't worry about the plot, it's the emotions of the character that are important and they're pretty easy to track on the album imo. It goes from a clear Point A to Point B. > >> and don't know about most of the other albums you're talking about, >> but the best Concept Album IMHO is 'Nightfall in Middle-Earth' by >> Blind Guardian - at least for fans of the fantasy genre!
Nightfall rocks! As does Tolkien!
>Now then, would this be before or after "The Hobbit?" These stories rule, >although I've never read the Lord of the Rings trilogy all the way >through. I tried to read The Two Towers when I was in eighth grade for a >Language Arts (that's what they called English class in my middle school) >assignment, but I had to stop because every time I'd read it for more than >five minutes, I'd fall asleep. Heh. Maybe I should try them now that I'm >older and can understand it better.
The SIlmarillion was written later, but it tells stories that take place long before the hobbit. It's basically all the old tales of Middle Earth.
Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:59:07 -0500 (EST) From: William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Bjork Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912041846050.11184-100000@swift.cs.unc.edu>
I just got into Bjork recently, having picked up Debut, Telegram, and Homogenic. Debut is more dance oriented, Telegram is just plain weird (but great) and Homogenic is very good, softer music and more powerful vocals. Homogenic is my favorite of the three. Instrumentation on all three is very unique, not repetitive. Debut is great as well, but tends toward dance-type music and beats.
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:29:29 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Final Cut Message-ID: <001e01bf3ec8$90a55980$730d84d0@safelink.net>
> Animals , and the Wall, but I dont have The Final Cut and dont really know > anything about it. I dont think I've ever heard any of the songs on the
The Final Cut is the saga of the Post-War dream. It's basically like alot of Roger Waters' solo stuff, very dark and gloomy. The lyrics are as profoundly insightful as ever though. It's not a concept album per se (as it doesn't move from point a to point b) but the album endears a theme about life during the Cold War, the tensions between countries, and it culminates with Two Suns in the Sunset, a song about looking down the long end of a mushroom cloud. All in all, one of my favorite Floyd albums if not for the poetry in the lyrics alone.
It's much like Waters' Radio KAOS, it's alot like that, only better. :) -- KorgX3 thinks Archie Bunker kicks ass.
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:44:40 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@mail.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: lyrics.. Message-ID: <Version.32.19991202183630.00df5c80@mail.wm.edu>
>I always have the feeling that they should have chosen either <shot out of the blue> to rhyme with the >other ..ew's, or make it <pathway out of sight> to rhyme with night. Usually I don't care for the >rhyming which makes sense in order to not be a slave to words, but let the words be your >instruments, but here I somehow feel different. >Maybe a native of English could explain the nuances between out of view/out of sight ?
Hey Seb,
Well, I can't say very much about the lines DT chose on that, since I haven't paid that careful attention to it myself, but I wanted to venture something on the last question. ... This may be a very tenous kind of characterization, but it seems to me that "out of view" could refer to a more long-range object (of a physical nature, of thought) or a focus - if something is in "view" you are focusing on it specifically. "Out of sight" tends to be used much more literally - for something you can't *see* with your eyes, but it also could refer to something much closer to you physically that has just slipped out of the range of your vision - but you weren't exactly focusing on it.
This is just my take on it - I love messing with language and trying to figure out connotations and stuff, but being what they are, connotations may vary from person to person, and I'm sure there's someone out there on this list that has a different notion from mine. :) To be absolutely technical, the two phrases can be used interchangeably and retain the same literal meaning, but one may have a more abstract flavor than the other. Hope that some of this helped at least a little bit!
Alex
"The White House has always attracted the mentally ill."
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:21:45 -0600 From: "crimson royalty" <phairgirl@hoe.nu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Bjork Message-ID: <000d01bf3ecf$dc155080$c02d0b18@dubuq1.ia.home.com>
> I was wondering what you guys (and gals) all thought about Bjork. > I was in > my car and heard one of her songs on the area's college radio > station. I had > heard it before and had even seen a video for it but wasn't sure > of the name > of the song. I just checked out CDNow and found that it was "Human > Behaviour" off of her debut solo album, which is titled oddly > enough "Debut". > > Do any of you have any opinions of her work? And what album of > hers would be > good to start off with, her debut album? Any info would be appreciated.
I've been a big fan of Bjork for a long time, her solo work anyway. She's got some incredibly childlike lyrics that have mesmerizing ways of looking at the world. I'm not sure if it's because she's Icelandic or if she just does way too many drugs. :)
My recommendation would be to start with her second album, _Post_. She showcases a lot of her brilliant songwriting talent and diversity on that album. Then go back to _Debut_ and on to _Homogenic_. _Debut_ is a great album, but I'm sure many would agree with me that _Post_ has a lot more of the incredibly odd things that makes Bjork stand out and pretty much defines you as a fan or not a fan. _Homogenic_, her latest album, is incredible. I would recommend that as a first-buy, but it's not as diverse as the rest of her work, and many people who just discover her through _Homogenic_ see her mainly through a techno-pop eye instead of as a diversified, talented person.
To see this post on the Jam, I can only think to myself that I love it when people are musically diverse. It's really hard to find someone who likes to ride in my car, because the chances of listening to everything from Dream Theater to Liz Phair to Bjork to Depeche Mode to Parliament to Apocalyptica to Napalm Death to Pink Floyd to Aaliyah to Busta Rhymes to Underworld are pretty high :)
--phairgirl
n.p.: Wumpscut-Slave To Evil.mp3
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:44:59 EST From: Bunny1682@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: FII Opinions Message-ID: <0.50767b41.257b39bb@aol.com>
I simply must defend FII. Not just because DT made it. Not because LITS is good. I just think it's the best thing in the world, hands down.
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 23:52:49 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Concept albums Message-ID: <3849EFA1.2A4E4AF6@home.com>
Art said (referring to Pain of Salvation): > I've got that CD, but I just can't stand the vocals. It's not that they're > death metal vocals or anything, they're just weird! Do they have another CD > with better vocals?
Actually, I LOVE their vocals. I'd rank Daniel Gildenlow in my top 10 vocalists. I admit that the vocals are definitely very eclectic, but I think anybody who likes Faith No More's bizarre vocals would love Pain of Salvation's.
- Joe D.
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: James in Luxemburg Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991204213458.21022A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Listening to the Medely of I&W/WDADU songs from the Lux. concert, and I had to laugh out loud at james singing our favorite filk chorus:
Pull my finger Pull my finger Pull my finger I'm not a frog
There's other little things, like the way he sings "arrows fly" (my God!) at the beginning. I used to think James was making fun of the material when he did stuff like this. Now, I *know* he is, and I don't mind a bit! :)
--Matt
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:22:57 PST From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TWljaGFlbCBXZWnf?=" <weiss666@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5220 Message-ID: <19991205112257.14423.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Paul's biweekly musical quote: > >At the center of fire there is cold/ all that glitters ain't gold
AHHHH, I´m getting nuts. Where the hell do i know this. PLEASE help me, i just cant remember who wrote it, although i got it somewhere.
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:51:22 GMT From: "Simon Dodd" <sjdodd80@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Wall & Q2K Message-ID: <19991205155122.29030.qmail@hotmail.com>
FYI... Two problems with saying that "The only way to understand 'The Wall' is to watch the film": 1. Roger Waters will tear you to shreds; he hates the film. 2. The Wall is a great concept album, because it gets it right where SFaM got it wrong: it's simple enough to be universally applicable, even with songs taken out of context. But when listened to whole, it's an awesome, very clear storyline.
Now, Queensryche. I got a free copy of Q2K to review (the advantages of being the Student Union magazine editor...We also got sent SFaM, but I'd bought it by then, shit!). I feel ripped off, and I didn't even pay for it. Tate's voice has always been endured rather than enjoyed; but here, it scales new depths, to my ears. The first half of the album is mind-bogglingly bad and tedious; the second half - while an improvement - is still not great. The last track's got potential as a hypnotic groove, but it just doesn't go anywhere! Comments and flames welcome.
Si
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 09:59:58 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Windows 9x splash screens Message-ID: <384A8BFE.A8914F9F@isd.net>
M. Dixon wrote: >Since I know some of you are techies at heart... I >was wanting to know why a 'logo.sys' file isn't >working properly when placed in the windows folder?? >It's a Dream Theater startup screen and I'm having >trouble getting my system to use it....
>any ideas???
Sorry for the delay... I've been extremely busy the last few weeks. With the limited information you've provided I'm forced to make some assumptions.. So please don't take this post the wrong way.
First off, If you're simply renaming an image file "logo.sys" you have to follow a few simple rules: The image MUST be a .bmp file that is 320 x 400 with a color depth of 256 colors. Don't worry about the aspect ratio, it will look strange in your image viewer but it will look normal if used as a splash screen. The size and color depth are NOT flexible. Anything else will be ignored. Another thing... The file name should be ALL lower case. If the file you are trying to use is already named "logo.sys" copy it to a temp directory then rename the copy "logo.bmp" and verify that it is 320 x 400 x 256 color.
The file name and location is just as critical. Make sure you haven't accidentally named the file "logo.sys.sys" This mistake is easy to make in Win 9x. Make sure you are showing file extensions. The file NEEDS to be located in the root directory of the boot drive. Normally the "C" drive.
>I'm thinking that I haven't killed the right win98 >file so that it's recognized or I haven't placed it in >the right folder.
You don't need to "kill" anything. You add a file to the root directory. This is assuming that you did a clean install. Look and see if there already is a file named "logo.sys" If there is, delete that first.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:07:13 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Ytse-Baby Message-ID: <384A8DB1.E21BAD33@isd.net>
Angelo Lombardi wrote: >IN about 4 months I'm gonna welcome a baby girl into this world.
Congratulations! I can't help but be curious what that web page will look like when she is seventeen and knows EVERYTHING :)
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You come into the world headfirst. You go out feet first. Everything in between is a matter of balance.
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Ytse-Baby Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912051151001.84913-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:
> Angelo Lombardi wrote: > >IN about 4 months I'm gonna welcome a baby girl into this world. > > Congratulations! I can't help but be curious what that web page will > look like when she is seventeen and knows EVERYTHING :)
Angelo, don't worry; Al's just going through his own midlife crisis because HIS daughter knows everything. :)
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:55:19 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: AD Message-ID: <19991205175519.49733.qmail@hotmail.com>
i though attention deficit sucked.. in fact, i think it still sucks.. it's trying way to hard to be inovative and the album lost all continuity..sounds like shit in my opinion.. but you might like it :)
inferno NP: Jaco Pastorius - Word Of Mouth
>Does anyone have Attention Defecit from Magna Carta? What's it like? I >liked Skolnick with Savatage, but this seems way >different.
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:16:21 +0100 From: Volodya <oanrec@club-internet.fr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT "Regression of a Memory" 2CD set Message-ID: <384AABF5.CD90AA70@club-internet.fr>
Please check out all the details by following the link below:
Thanks, Volodya.
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Concept albums Message-ID: <19991205194627.8735.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com>
> <<<On the topic of concept albums, I was wondering how many of you guys > (and gals) here have heard Pain Of Salvation's 'One Hour By The Concrete > Lake' - without a doubt the BEST concept album I've ever heard and an > all-time fav of mine behind I&W and Awake. Watch out for POS in the, > they're gonna be one of the big leaders of the prog genre in the future.
I happened to buy this (POS: OHBTCL) just last friday (among some other prog pearls) and even I gave it just one hasty listen through, I can honestly say that cd smokes !!!
It was one of those really nice surprises that I have had since I began to explore this wonderful prog music scene, definitely one of the best...
===== Janne Jokitalo
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