YTSEJAM Digest 5251
Today's Topics:
1) Re: SFaM The Movie
by "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
2) Re: Korg thread anyone?
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
3) Re: Emotion's, Awake and SFAM
by Raf <bimmered@yahoo.com>
4) Re: DT Record Contract
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
5) Favorite DT Album poll results!!!
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
6) Re: SFAM the movie
by "DarkHarmony" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Re: Playstation...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
8) Re: Korn thread anyone?
by "Wolfgang Rehmert" <Wolfgang.Remert@gmx.de>
9) Re: SFaM The Movie
by Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net>
10) Re: DT Record Contract
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
11) dissapointing end to all that cool suspense
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
12) Playstation dual shock!
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
13) Enchant sound samples
by William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu>
14) SfaM the Movie would rock!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) I'll follow the trend- Movie choices.
by YtseSryche@aol.com
16) Puff Daddy/2Pac
by Fett2002@aol.com
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5250
by MAD1661@aol.com
18) uh....
by Fett2002@aol.com
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5250
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
20) SfaM the Movie
by Uroborosss@aol.com
21) Happy New Year All
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
22) The Final Countdown, this time for real ;o)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
23) RE:Official Bass Transcriptions
by "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk>
24) Re: SFAM movie
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:43:59 +0100
From: "sK@RRe" <sdts@home.se>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM The Movie
Message-ID: <3868400F.9EE11BA6@home.se>
Cast Ron Jeremy as Nicholas and you've got yourself a movie. Did anyone catch
"Orgasmo"?
Cheers! (Bork Bork) :oP
Andreas Skarin
mailto:skarre@dtifc.com
http://www.dtifc.com/sweden/
Mike & Susan Verstraete wrote:
> O.K. Christmas is over and we're all sitting around waiting for the Xmas CD
> to show up. How about we cast the parts for who we'd like to see IF the boys
> were going to pony up the money to make a full length feature of SFaM. I'll
> go first:
>
> Nicholas:Kenu Reeves
> Victoria Page:Catharine Zeta-Jones
> Senator Edward Baynes (The Miracle):Randy Quaid
> Julian Baynes (The Sleeper): Dennis Quaid
> The Hypnotherapist:Christopher Walken
> And the older man in Fatal Tragedy:James Earl Jones
>
> Mr Portnoy feel free to put your $0.02 worth in.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike and Susan Verstraete
> www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:31:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Korg thread anyone?
Message-ID: <19991228023114.7072.qmail@web504.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Korg Ecksthrey pondered the universe and his place
in it:
>
> Kurt Hampton didst spake:
> >It seems a Korg sucks/rules thread is beginning to
> form, so let me add my
<<snip>>
> Anybody here Pro-Life? I'm Pro-Choice. Let's
> roll! Bring in the Swedes, um de hur de hur...
Bork
> Bork Bork! Woo!
I gotta say that I'm *pro-Korg* on this one...
> BTW, is there any truth to the rumour that David
> Coverdale is re-forming Whitesnake (yet again) with
> the brothers Van Halen and Mike Anthony?
Nope, but it's not like the music of VH could get any
worse whomever the singer may be.
> And lastly, in the latest news, Puff Daddy was just
> arrested for illegal possession of a stolen
> firearm. Surprise, surprise. hehehe. I've always
> had my own idea of who shot 2Pac... Anywho...
Good. I hate that fucking guy. He and some other
dude made a new video for a Biggie video and they
don't even lip synch, they just dance the whole time.
If I was into MTV, I'd be offended...
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*Trent
"There's colors on the street. Red, white & blue.
People shuffeling their feet. People sleeping in their shoes.
There's a warning sign on the road ahead. There's a lot of people thinking we'd be better off dead.
Don't feel like Satan, but I am to them.
So I try to forget them anyway I can."
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 06:43:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Raf <bimmered@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Emotion's, Awake and SFAM
Message-ID: <19991228144329.6913.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com>
G'n'R's Estranged is without a doubt the greatest song
they've written. Even though I'm not a huge G'n'R
fan, that is the one song that turned me onto the UYI
1&2 CD's. I think it was back in the summer of 1992
or '93, when Q104 in NY just started broadcasting.
For about 6 months, all they played was Metallica,
G'n'R "Estranged", Aerosmith, Red Hot Chillies, Yes,
Rush, just to name a few. A very limited
rotation...anyone remember?
I was listening to Awake and SFAM this past weekend
with my cousin. He's one of those people who only
cares for DT's Awake album...nothing else, saying that
its a unique album with major balls, and nothing else
they've done has come close. we were talking about
emotional lyrics and melodies. Awake does have some
of the strongest emotions lyricly and musicly out of
all of DT's discography. But it doesn't end there.
SFAM has an all encompassing blend of all the styles
we have come to like in DT over the years...Awake is
in no way a "unique" album for DT...it was "unique"
when we first heard it. But for anyone who has liked
bits and peices of DT's earlier releases, SFAM is sure
to please. FT and FF are my top 3 favs for SFAM.
That's All,
-Raf-
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Playing music for our friends!"
jordan rudess, Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:49:52 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT Record Contract
Message-ID: <386C0BC0.89FB0E39@wezl.org>
Actually if I recall correctly, Mike himself said they signed a contract back in
92 for like 9 albums or something which means their contract would almost be up
if you include LaTM as an E/W release
Fett2002@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone know the exact nature of Dream Theater's contract with Eastwest
> records? What I mean is that they sell about 200,000 or so copies of each CD
> in the States. Sooo, that's 300,000 short of even going gold. Many bands
> would get dropped from a major label if their sales were at that level. My
> point here is that their record sales are not great in the U.S., which
> everyone know of course. My question here is, is there any danger of them
> possibly losing their record contract due to low sales does anyone know? Or
> is it just that their record sales overseas make up for their low sales here?
> OR is it possible that theyjust don't get much money at all from the record
> company and make it mostly by touring?
>
> -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:49:03 PST
From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Favorite DT Album poll results!!!
Message-ID: <19991228094903.34185.qmail@hotmail.com>
This really was a shocker for me, but here goes:
Awake: 25 (39.6%)
Images and Words: 21 (33.3%)
Scenes From a Memory: 15 (23.8%)
Falling into Infinity: 2 (3.1%)
It seems that Awake has some really dedicated followers and it has just
blown me away that it has received such support.
Now granted, this poll is less than 10% of the people on this list (because
most people are PUTZES and don't bother to vote) but hey, what can ya do?
Take it easy!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:50:55 -0500
From: "DarkHarmony" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: SFAM the movie
Message-ID: <007901bf5331$7aecb7a0$0a5afea9@guest3382>
>From: Mike & Susan Verstraete <homewks@sound.net>
LOL! I think OFB would break the bank on this cast...
IMO, the cast for SFAM ought to be less "well-known" actors... go for
substance over glitz on this one.
I don't think your cast picks are really believable:
>
> Nicholas:Kenu Reeves
"Whoa... dude, I like, used to be a chick, or something...."
> Victoria Page:Catharine Zeta-Jones
"As the lead role in this movie (I know I'm not, but I can pretend), I
take full liberties to put on a tight outfit of spandex, thrust my ample
bosom forward, and walk away from the camera while it is trained
strategically on my buttocks (which make perfect figure-eights and can
therefore sell tickets)"
> Senator Edward Baynes (The Miracle):Randy Quaid
"I have a hard time being senator with nothing between my voters and my
brain but a piece of government plastic" *shifts gentials* (a-la
Christmas Vacation)
> Julian Baynes (The Sleeper): Dennis Quaid
Not for nothing, but whenever I see D. Quaid, I think of Lou Gossett Jr.
calling Mickey Mouse a big, stupid dope.
> The Hypnotherapist:Christopher Walken
Could you relax around Christopher Walken? I couldn't. That guy is so
friggin' scary...
> And the older man in Fatal Tragedy:James Earl Jones
Sure, why not.
My real cast picks are forthcoming, but for now, here's my cast for the
UPN made for TV version:
Nicholas: Chris Rock
Victoria: Brandy
Miracle: Damon Wayans
Sleeper: Shawn Wayans
Hypnotherapist: Chris Tucker
Older Man: George Clinton
Regards,
Josh Calkin:
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E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:59:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Playstation...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912302059070.88764-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Chris Oates wrote:
> >Only one problem with this: Not all PSXs come with a dual shock
> >controller, only the new ones. So anybody with a PlayStation that's more
> >than a few months (or a year, or something like that) is SOL.
>
> Yeah, totally SOL. It's not like they sell controllers separately or
> anything ... oh wait, they do!
Oh, for crissake... I meant anybody who doesn't want to have to spend $25
a pop just to get the new controllers. As a matter of fact, I NEVER play
GT or GT2 with the analog controllers - too hard to control.
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ICQ: 2513441
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"Prayer has no place in school, just like facts
have no place in religion."
- Superintendant Chalmers from "The Simpsons"
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:47:54 +0100
From: "Wolfgang Rehmert" <Wolfgang.Remert@gmx.de>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Korn thread anyone?
Message-ID: <000201bf5224$f6a3e660$69e014d5@roterplatz>
Funny to see where saying DT should be much higher on the top200
leads.....anyway there's been some talk about how great socially critical
lyrics are. I won't dispute that but lemme add my 0.2$ to that.
While I'm absolutely in favor of this kind of lyrics I just don't see what
good it actually does. Just going "society sucks Mo*********!!!!!" whether
on stage or in the studio won't get anyone anywhere, except for the band and
the label selling records to white middle-class kids who think they're so
rebellious and intellectual. There IS some stuff going on that is of use,
though. Bands like RATM or the Beastie Boys donate money for some good
cause. I don't like either one too much but they actually DO something, even
if it's just donating and endorsing. On the other hand, Dave Mustaine spends
large amounts of money for Big Brother (for fatherless children). One more
thing on this subject, there are differences in what is being said and how.
Example: Public Enemy's lyrics seem educated and thought out (same thing for
Slayer and Ice Cube) while a lot of this pseudo-alternative stuff just goes
"I'm a goddam rebel you suck I don't everyone's a racist I'm not that's why
you suck and I don't so why don't you just boogie off of this world"
Rush's lyrics (granted not the early sci-fi stuff) are socially concious
too, as is some DT stuff (Peruvian Skies, Anna Lee etc.)
So, Korg, you're pro-choice huh? What about Pro-Pain ;-)
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:06:55 +0200
From: Linus Akesson <lairfight@softhome.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SFaM The Movie
Message-ID: <yam8034.2750.274540584@mail.telia.com>
In accordance with the prophecy, DarkHarmony uttered:
>> From: Mike & Susan Verstraete <homewks@sound.net>
> LOL! I think OFB would break the bank on this cast...
> IMO, the cast for SFAM ought to be less "well-known" actors... go for
> substance over glitz on this one.
> (snip)
But obviously, just because SFAM has a plot in it doesn't mean it would be
possible to capture what we know as SFAM on film.
Yeah, you could probably make a movie with those characters and those
relationships between them, with some of the lines and courses of actions
found in the SFAM sleeve. But SFAM isn't just a sleeve; some of you might
have noticed that there's a cd in the box as well. Even with dt style
progmetal all over the soundtrack, you wouldn't come _near_ SFAM at all.
So I gather that this thread is purely speculative and that no one seriously
believes that all the tiny, yet vastly important details that make SFAM what
it is, would be possible to recrate in a film. Cool references like "I shut
the door and traveled to another home" that appear all over the lyrics would
be completely lost.
</rant> I suppose...
Linus
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:08:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: DT Record Contract
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912302104250.88764-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, NuGgeTMaN wrote:
> Actually if I recall correctly, Mike himself said they signed a
> contract back in 92 for like 9 albums or something which means their
> contract would almost be up if you include LaTM as an E/W release
Actually, unless I'm mistaken, WDADU was under the label of "One Way
Records". I'm assuming that's NOT an EastWest label?
That would mean that counting I&W, Awake, ACoS, LaTM, FII, OIALT, and
Met2, that's only seven albums. That's still at least three years or more
before their contract's up. I'm not worried :) They'll probably go with
Metal Blade or something after that. Besides, DT makes plenty of money
for E/W in their genre - they ARE the most popular of the progressive
metal bands, hands down. I think E/W would jump at the opportunity to
renew their contract. But hey, I could be wrong.
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ICQ: 2513441
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I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend
that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill
it anyway because I already gave away all of his
stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of
humor.
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:38:10 PST
From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: dissapointing end to all that cool suspense
Message-ID: <19991231023811.89821.qmail@hotmail.com>
I'm rather dissapointed that after waiting 2+ days for a new jam, it finally
comes, and half the posts just say stuff like "uhhh, hey, where's the jam?".
I was beginning to think that Skadz banned me for calling him "Skidmarks"
one too many times. I dunno. Nevermind.
After reading (or, skimming over, rather) that big "Scenes from QR's Past"
thing, I thought of something; I'm eternally grateful that I could never
stand QR in the first place. The only thing I've EVER heard QR fans discuss
is "how much the new album sucks". And this goes back quite a few
albums......
-Banjoman
np: Nothing. My CD's are just out of reach, and my fancy pants MP3 player
will crash my comp if I use anything else at the same time. Ug.
p.s. Is there any way to make a midi file into an mp3? I know it sounds
backwards, but it's a long story. Private email, please.
p.p.s. My last post didn't go through. Did anyone else have that problem?
Does anyone else think Torchsong bites?
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:30:22 -0600
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Playstation dual shock!
Message-ID: <001301bf533f$5ea0ba20$d73f88cf@jammer>
Woah.... I bought my Playstation back in the early summer of '98 and it
came with a dual-shock keyboard.
Hell, every Playstation box I've ever seen since '98 has a bright red "DUAL
SHOCK" on the box :)
I still think the guy who posted about that before just didn't realize he
could push the button on the controller and use the joystick to steer the
cars in Gran Turismo :)
No biggie.
-----Original Message-----
]From: Andrew Coutermarsh [SMTP:a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 1:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Gran Turismo 2
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Jan-Michael wrote:
> Gran Turismo 2 for Christmas!
Yeah, my brother got it for Christmas as well - I must say that I'm not all
that impressed with it. I was hoping for the same kinds of innovations that
Gran Turismo 1 put out there (that is, I was hoping for some improvement on
the original or something), but it's really just a lot more of the same.
Sure, there are more cars and different tracks, but I was hoping for better
graphics, more realistic control of the cars, SOMETHING.
> Just a tip to that guy who posted saying he thought GT sucked because
> of the arrow keys.... Use the analog controller that comes with the
> Playstation and use the JOYSTICK. :)
Only one problem with this: Not all PSXs come with a dual shock controller,
only the new ones. So anybody with a PlayStation that's more than a few
months (or a year, or something like that) is SOL.
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you think it's about time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer, isn't
it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?"
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:59:47 -0500
From: William Cary Hall <hall@cs.unc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Enchant sound samples
Message-ID: <386C2A33.E5384937@cs.unc.edu>
Can somebody point me to a site that has sound samples (either
realaudio or mp3) of Enchant? I really liked what they did on the Yes
tribute, and I wanted to pick up Break after hearing so many good things
about it, but I'd like to hear one of their compositions before I buy.
Any help is appreciated.
Cary
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:26:11 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: SfaM the Movie would rock!
Message-ID: <007e01bf534f$a2756e70$4f0d84d0@default>
> Let me translate that:
> -"I sleep with my genitals wrapped in cellophane!"
Had I not sent you those photos, you'd not be in the know. :P
> So, Korg, you're pro-choice huh? What about Pro-Pain ;-)
Pro-Pain is a fine economic fuel. I have no problem with Pro-pain. Without
Pro-Pain it would be a bitch to have easy non-briquette Summer BBQ's which I
am awful fond of. :)
And here's my SFaM, the movie lineup:
Nicholas: Cuba Gooding, Jr.
Victoria Page: Julia Ormond
Senator Edward Baynes: Jamey Sheridan
Julian Baynes: John Malkovich
The Hypnotherapist: Ray Walston
Although I think Julia's a pretty good actress, I'm rather disappointed that
I couldn't think of someone better. It's really sad that most actresses
nowdays are chosen for their looks rather than their acting skill. I could
have picked Kathy Bates, I guess, but I don't think a psychopathic bitch
would fit the role too well. :)
Anywho...
-- KorgX3 is glad the 'jam's not dead. It's my only social outlet... Now Eating: Wheat Thins and Cheddar n' Bacon Easy Cheese. 8d------------------------------
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:40:12 EST From: YtseSryche@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I'll follow the trend- Movie choices. Message-ID: <0.d2fc6ada.259da9cc@aol.com>
Hey, I saw people putting casts for who would be on Scenes From A Memory the movie if there was one, so I here's mine.
Nicholas- Ed Burns- it'll work, just trust me Victoria- Gweneth Paltrow -even though Catherine Zeta Jones is REALLY hot The Hypnotist- Kevin Spacey The Miracle- Jim Carey- bear with me on this, imagine him starting out charming then going insane---- hey shut up, I can see it!!! The Sleeper- I'm lost here... how about Tom Cruise, I dunno The old Man- I really liked the james earl jones idea, but maybe anthony hopkins if someone can convince him to come back, or Boris Karloff woulda rocked as it
Okay, now everybody send a hundred e-mails telling me how stupid I am! Isn't that what you guys like to do???
Tony
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:09:56 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Puff Daddy/2Pac Message-ID: <0.ca438b50.259db0c4@aol.com>
>And lastly, in the latest news, Puff Daddy was just arrested for illegal >possession of a stolen firearm. Surprise, surprise. hehehe. I've always >had my own idea of who shot 2Pac... Anywho...
Y'Know, I'm not an advocate for murder or violence BUT.....wouldn't it be great if 2Pac WERE really still alive? And then....he got killed again! The came for that crack deal Notorious D.E.A.D. Oh, my bad, I meant Notorious B.I.G. -Mike C. P.S. Please don't anyone take this message too seriously.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:33:56 EST From: MAD1661@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5250 Message-ID: <0.746d8022.259db664@aol.com>
I would like to anounce that my friend who is in Steve Vais touring band will open his new web site on 1/1/2000 at 12am.... that US eastern time that is. the site is www.daveweiner.com so check it out... he is looking for singers for his own project!! so check it out!! you can see some pictures from the US tour.... Talk to you all later.. Until www.daveweiner.com is up .. you can check out come of Dave's music at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/3682/davespage.htm Later M.A.D.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:43:48 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: uh.... Message-ID: <0.840407a8.259db8b4@aol.com>
>45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
Now, THAT's disgusting! Intersting but disgusting. Sounds like it could be the basis of a 17 minute long prog song though! Also though, 80% of all statistics are misleading: 65% of all people know this. -Mike C
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:06:11 EST From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5250 Message-ID: <0.a3980ed5.259dcc03@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-12-31 02:23:58 EST, you write:
<< Does anyone know the exact nature of Dream Theater's contract with Eastwest records?
No.
What I mean is that they sell about 200,000 or so copies of each CD in the States. Sooo, that's 300,000 short of even going gold. Many bands would get dropped from a major label if their sales were at that level.
Many bands have gotten dropped even when they did go gold (Warrant). And there is a difference between shipping Gold (500,000 units shipped to stores) and actually selling 500,000 units at stores. Gold records are determined by the RIAA, not by direct sales. So it's possible to get a gold record for an album which has only sold 300,000 copies (see Megadeth).
My point here is that their record sales are not great in the U.S., which everyone know of course. My question here is, is there any danger of them possibly losing their record contract due to low sales does anyone know?
There is always the danger of getting dropped unless you are a superstar artist. With the recent merges, record company execs got canned left and right. If your A&R guy happens to be a victim of that, where does that leave you? Or if the vice-president in charge of marketing happened to be a big fan of yours and then he got a better paying job at another label, what then? Or if your label as a whole decides to drop rock acts (see Relativity) and concentrate on R&B, then what? The point is that there are a lot of factors that go in to determining whether or not a band gets dropped (or are not picked up for an option to extend their contract) besides sales. But all things being equal, a band will usually be kept by a label as long as they are making money for the label. That is determined by many factors, including the costs of actually making the record (fronting the money for the recording of the albums, the manufacturing of the albums, etc), the promotion (advertising, marketing, video, radio, etc), and touring expenses (if allocated by the label). If that amount is less than the $$$ generated by income from the band (which could include everything from album sales to publishing to merchandising, depending on your contract and your lawyer) then they will stay.
Or is it just that their record sales overseas make up for their low sales here?
Again, it depends on their contract. Overseas royalties are usually significantly less than domestic royalties, so they would have to sell a HELL of a lot of records overseas to make cover their debt. Most US bands sell a fraction of their domestic sales to the overseas market, but there are exceptions (like Mr. Big and possibly DT) where US artists sell MORE overseas than here.
OR is it possible that theyjust don't get much money at all from the record company and make it mostly by touring?
Artists such as DT, who don't sell a ton of records, who don't have a $500,000 video premiring on MTV every week, who don't have their faces and sounds plastered all over the place, do make a lot of their money from touring. It's their lifeblood. But again, the money to finance tours comes from the record company (unless you're signed to Magna Carta) and is considered a lean against your royalties (meaning it is "recoupable"). If a band makes a couple thousand dollars a night playing clubs like Toads Place or small theaters (like the Palladium), that is money in their pocket (after expenses), but the money it took to create the shows is taken from your potential royalties account, therefore forcing you to sell even more records (which touring is supposed to do) before you'll see a dime in royalties from sales.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:36:14 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: SfaM the Movie Message-ID: <0.b3d025ba.259dd30e@aol.com>
> From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: SfaM the Movie would rock! > > Pro-Pain is a fine economic fuel. I have no problem with Pro-pain. Without > Pro-Pain it would be a bitch to have easy non-briquette Summer BBQ's which > I am awful fond of. :)
Propane - the first thing Home Depot sold out of while the nation prepared for the Technological Armageddon prophecized to occur tonight at midnight.
> And here's my SFaM, the movie lineup: > Nicholas: Cuba Gooding, Jr.
Nicholas: You want me to lay on this couch? You want me to be your patient? Prove it, doc! TELL ME to commit suicide! Come on, say it with me now! "Show me the SUICIDE!!"
Hypnotherapist: I, uh, the Baynes family has nothing to do with what YOU want in life, Nick, and I don't really--
Nicholas: SHOOOW MEEE THE SUICIIIIDE!! You want me to be your patient? PROVE IT, DOC!! SHOOOW MEEE THE SUICIIIIIDE!!!
Hypnotherapist: Okay! Yeah! SHOW ME THE SUICIIIIDE!!!
Nicholas: I LOVE ODD TIME SIGNATUUURES!!!
Hypnotherapist: I LOVE ODD TIME SIGNATUUURES!!!
Nicholas: I WANNA SCREAM LIKE LABRIIIIIEEEE!!!
Hypnotherapist: I'M CAUGHT IN A WEAEAEAEAEAEAB!!!
> KorgX3 is glad the 'jam's not dead.
Me2.
Bafu Vai
p.s. I'm pro-death.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:39:17 +1100 From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Happy New Year All Message-ID: <003901bf5372$ff9698e0$470f000a@rainerpa>
Roughly 3 Hrs 20 min to go as I'm writing this in Australia! I'm heading into town folks. Have a good one wherever you are!
Cheers,
Rainer
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:22:20 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Jeremy Garman <jgarman@kmbs.com>, Subject: The Final Countdown, this time for real ;o) Message-ID: <386C83DC.B506E06E@mol.com.mk>
HAPPY NEW YEAR everybody!!!
Yihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Eat this, Y2K!
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:00:27 -0000 From: "Tristam Douglas" <tris@douglasf1.freeserve.co.uk> To: <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> Cc: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE:Official Bass Transcriptions Message-ID: <001001bf5378$708c7f60$5e22883e@default>
>Anyone know if there are official transcription books of the bass parts of >all the DT albums? I've only seen the guitar versions. Thanks.
No, I don't think there is. Have you tried e-mailing Warner Brothers Publications to see if they actually do or not.
I was bought the IaW TAB by a friend as a present. The chords are not always named accurately sus2 instead of add9 for example. The score does not match the TAB in many places and it's accuracy is only average, to my ears,(the score is generally more accuratethat the TAB. ) I think this is pretty weak, especially as JP was involved. This is one DT purchase that I believe to be sub-standard. Put it like this I would not want inaccurate transcriptions of my music put out when I have supposedly contributed to the book.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: SFAM movie Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9912310827220.13528-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
Mia Kirshner should play Victoria, methinks. But only if I can be one of the brothers :)
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