YTSEJAM Digest 4648
Today's Topics:
1) re: Metropolis 2 versions
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
2) Re: KX
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
3) Candiria / IQ
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
4) Requesting Stuff from Portnoy
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
5) Re:Hammer
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4647
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
7) You've been invited
by hmetrs@msn.com
8) Kansas Ytsejam
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
9) Re: mp3 encode and decode
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
10) LTE shows
by rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
11) YtseMoron Poll results...
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
12) Planet X players
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
13) Laser's Edge...
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
14) Re: YtseMoron Poll results...
by JamesAhab@aol.com
15) Re: Metropolis 2 versions (and an mp3 comment)
by "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com>
16) Re: Candiria / requesting from portnoy
by JamesAhab@aol.com
17) Re: New DT CD news
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
18) How many times.............
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:25:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: Metropolis 2 versions
Message-ID: <19990204002545.13092.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
"Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net> wrote:
> If Met2 (if it's on the next album) is redone to fully incorporate
> Jordan, we will have 2 different versions. Hey Mike, is there any
way in
> the future of having the Derek version available in any form, just so
> we can know what it sounded like?
Ha! Ha! It's always a possibility, but I bet that we won't have as
many of these "demo" or "unreleased" tracks anymore...Causes too much
controversy.
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:30:15 -0600
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: KX
Message-ID: <19990203.183020.3334.3.schnapster@juno.com>
Hey, just a last little thing to say if anyone's going to the King's
X/Galactic Cowboys show at The Blue Note in Columbia, MO tomorrow night
(Thursday Feb.4), I'll be there wearing a Touring Into Infinity shirt.
E-mail me if you're going and we can hook up.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:32:30 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Candiria / IQ
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990203193230.009bbae0@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Candiria -- anybody heard of them? Maybe I've been out in a Montana shack
mailing unmarked packages for too long, but I haven't heard word one about
this band. They were listed in Rolling Stone's (and we know how reliable
they are) "The Ten Most Important Hard And Heavy Bands Right Now" and seem
like they would appeal to people here based on their write-up (see below),
yet I've never even heard their name.
>>>
Candiria
Latest Projects: Beyond Reasonable Doubt
Influences: Brutal Truth, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Voivod, Joe Henderson
Shred Style: Progressive New York metal
Lair: Brooklyn
Hardness Scale: 6
Lyrics: <skipped>
The Deal: Mix a large dose of jagged speed-riffing with electric-piano
jazz; add esperimental electronic jams and hip-hop. Candiria's
accomplishment is impressive: competance, at least, in every direction they
attempt and total disregard for the boundaries of metal's subgenres.
Still, those into progressive metal will approach it first; jazzheads second.
>>>
Other 9 most important hard and heavy bands right now? KORN (bleh),
Meshuggah, Pantera (see KORN), Queens of the Stone Age (??), Soulfly,
Metallica (duh), Black Sabbath (see Metallica), Soilent Green, and Morbid
Angel. No Dream Theater, but I wouldn't expect that. Just seems funny
that they'd cite several relatively unknown bands over established
trendsetters like DT, who pretty much made the progmetal scene (or, at
least, revitalized it), and others (Megadeth?). Let me repeat, this is
Rolling Stone here, not a good or worthwhile magazine...
One more thing, non-metal related. I just sent off for my Nearfest tickets
today. As you all no doubt know, IQ will be playing said festival. I'm
looking to get a number of their albums so as to familiarize myself with
the music before the event. Problem is their stuff's friggin' expensive
for us Americans. What's the 'best' (i.e. cheapest) place to get IQ
albums? The problem with a band like IQ is that they're not popular enough
to be carried at decent prices by the big name vendors (CDNow, et al), but
they're not small enough for the run-out-of-the-basement vendors to carry.
Suggestions are much appreciated.
That is all.
Brian
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Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
His Faithful Bootleg Page:
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:37:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Requesting Stuff from Portnoy
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990204003155.28875B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I know that is is probably totally unexpected, but I need to speak my
mind. It's a priveledge to have Mike Portnoy reading this list on a
regular basis, contributing actively to discussions, giving us all
Christmas CD's every year, arranging special Fan Club gigs, producing
bamnd videos, requesting double CD's, and all that wonderful stuff he
does. But guys, HE'S NOT A VENDING MACHINE. I tire of seeing everyone
and his brother on the 'jam asking Mike for both versions of Met. 2 to be
released, for Raise The Knife to be included on the next album after he's
specifically said that all FII demos will be canned, asking for a studio
double CD, and all the other things that have been flying around here. I
think we all need to remember that we're FANS, not EMPLOYERS. Asking for
the guys to do everything that we want under the Sun is a bit ridiculous.
Petitioning to bring back the old font is totally frivolous, and
everything else that has gone on like that is the same way. I'm sorry for
taking up the bandwidth, I just know that if I was in Mike's position, I
would get awfully sick of hearing the "fans" gripe and bitch about what I
*HAVEN'T* done for them when I would have already done so much. Just my
thoughts.
</Flameproof armor ON>
-- Bert
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:35:22 -0600
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re:Hammer
Message-ID: <19990203.183837.3334.4.schnapster@juno.com>
>Cool! A quote from Sledge Hammer! An absolute classic TV show. It
>seemed like I was the only person who actually watched that show when
>it was on TV. I'm surprised that anyone else still remembers it.
Hell yeah, I remember Sledge Hammer. One of my favourite shows when it
was on. It probably still would be if it was on anywhere around here :).
Dale R> Newberry
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:40:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4647
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990203163435.2005B-100000@swing.cds.caltech.edu>
> From: phumm@scientech.com
> Subject: Re: CDnow coupons
>
> > "Trust me - I know what I'm doing."
> > - Sledge Hammer
>
> Cool! A quote from Sledge Hammer! An absolute classic TV show. It
> seemed like I was the only person who actually watched that show when
You're definitely not the only one. I watched it religiously from the
moment I first discovered it (during its second season, I think). Then,
one day, I turn on the TV and...no Hammer. Took a while for me to figure
out it got canceled.
A few years ago, I rented a tape that had 4 episodes on it from a
video store. That was a riot. I don't even know if you can find such
tapes anymore.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
"HAMMERRRRRRR!!!"
- Sledge's captain
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Date: 3 Feb 1999 17:22:31 -0800
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:21:32 -0600
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Kansas Ytsejam
Message-ID: <002001be4fdd$52c40f60$635099d1@default>
The third meeting of the Kansas Ytsejam is happening Saturday February 13th.
Anyone in the Kansas City Missouri-Overland Park Kansas area who would like
to attend should e-mail me for the meeting location. We've had a great time
at the first two meetings and we'll welcome any new members. Topics at this
meeting will range from Dereks departure, Jordans joining the band,
anticipating the new LTE2 release and anything else you want to talk about.
We'll also have DT items to talk about and some items to trade. All DT fans
welcome.
Mike and Susan Verstraete
Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:31:10 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: mp3 encode and decode
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9902040022060.7420-100000@jaca>
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Dr. Mosh wrote:
> For mp3 encoding, there's nothing like Xing CODECs, which include
> AudioCatalyst which can do super bit-rate conversions like 256 and
> greater, Music Match Jukebox also uses the Xing CODEC...
Pfff! You are OBVIOUSLY kidding, right Mosh? Xing only achieves
faster compression rates because it throws out a lot of important
information from the song. And you can actually hear the difference
without paying too much attention.
If you want quality, Frau*.* is the way to go.
> ------ drkhoe@gmsnet.com -------------- ++++++ ----------------------
> ===================== Intranet/Internet Enginerring =================
Well, from your signature above, I see that English is really not
your business. :-) But, on the other hand, it's nice to see that we have
other people on the list that enjoy Unix.
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: I know, I know, I shouldn't comment about other's mistakes, because
I'm not the most indicated person to talk about English, but this one was
so funny -- at least, I thought, given the context. :-) Sorry, Mosh.
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:57:19 -0800 From: rockercat <cherylcat@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE shows Message-ID: <36B90C84.1F57F419@earthlink.net>
I must say I feel very privileged to have seen half of LTE's shows. Saturday night at the Sabian sponsored show was a tad too brief IMO, but that probably had something to do with Petrucci's problems with his rack. But Monday night......unFUCKINGbelievable!!
Check out this kewl review of the first show....
rockercat
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:36:52 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: YtseMoron Poll results... Message-ID: <iss.68d9.36b915d2.b7faf.2@mhub4.tc.umn.edu>
.will be posted tomorrow, so hurry up and take advantage of your last chance to vote! Mail me your top ten (or 5 or 3 or 20 or anything else) list of all-time YtseMorons, and make your voice heard!
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:29:57 EST From: ToxicSheep@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Planet X players Message-ID: <27322237.36b92245@aol.com>
I was just wondering if anyone knew something about the musicians on Derek's album coming up...I have heard about Virgil, and Tony Franklin sounds farmiliar. But I have no clue who Bret Garsed is...can someone clue me in? Thanks, @ |> A (V)
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:36:26 EST From: ToxicSheep@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Laser's Edge... Message-ID: <860ca80d.36b923ca@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/3/99 6:55:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< phumm@scientech.com wrote: > > I recommend The Laser's Edge. I have ordered from them several > times, and I have always been completely satisfied. Their URL is... > > http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd/ The Laser's Edge has a new URL: http://www.lasercd.com >>
Yes, they are a reliable company...except for my recent order. I recieved 3 CDs- Cairo (Conflicts and Dreams- great stuff), Gordian Knot (actually reminds me alot of DT), and Spock's Beard, KOS- another awesome album. All albums arrived OK, except the SB had no plastic wrapping, and the "little gripping things the hold the CD in place" were broken off except for two....and that CD mysteriously almost broke my CD player...(long story, but probably just ironic)\ Anyway, they have a good selection and nice prices :) @ |> A (V)
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:26:28 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YtseMoron Poll results... Message-ID: <1ec7af15.36b92f84@aol.com>
The fact that you're doing this makes you the biggest "moron" on this list.
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:55:18 -0500 From: "Christopher Files" <cfiles@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Metropolis 2 versions (and an mp3 comment) Message-ID: <002901be5002$f1edc200$05c97ad1@artoo-detoo>
Death Lord wrote: > If Met2 (if it's on the next album) is redone to fully incorporate >Jordan, we will have 2 different versions. Hey Mike, is there any way in >the future of having the Derek version available in any form, just so we can >know what it sounded like? How about it be on the next Christmas CD? That >would rule. Ofcourse, we would compare the two versions like we do >everything else, but since it is going to be so different, it is almost 2 >different songs with a few common themes. A sequel to a sequel. How about >it in MP3 format?
See, I had the opposite reaction (altough I'm not quite sure why I did). I thought it was cool that this time (comparing to ACoS) there would be only one version, despite the fact that it was rewritten with a new keyboardist. That way we *wouldn't* be arguing over which version was better (not that this is such a horrible thing), and we could appreciate MetII for the single piece that it is. Sometimes I'm annoyed that I have two versions of ACoS because there are things I like in each one, but I can't have it all in one package. Yet, I must say, there are sometimes when I think it's pretty cool to have the original (but that's partly because I like Kevin's key parts better in the original, but overall I prefer the way the final product came out). I dunno.
I must say, though, that I'm pretty psyched about the prospect of a MetII with Jordan playing keys. This isn't a rip on Derek. I think he did a fantastic job while he was with DT--I think he contributed great stuff both musically and personality-wise. However, I'm simply of the opinion that in terms of music writing, Jordan and Kevin do it better, and that given the choice, I'd rather listen to what they write and play for DT.
I feel a little bad for Derek though. We've been informed (here on the 'jam) that MetII has already been recorded. I can totally understand making a clean break and starting fresh with Jordan, and I'm (as I mentioned) very happy that they'll re-record it with him, but it does seem a little like a slap in the face to Derek. I imagine he'll understand (if he even pays any attention) the desire for an album with the coherency of all five band members being the same (can you imagine having 45 minutes of Jordan-with-DT material, and c.30 minutes of Derek-with-DT stuff in Metrop? It could be a jarring discrepency), but it still sucks a little. I mean, with Kevin leaving they *had* to record ACoS with Derek because (as I understand it) it wasn't recorded yet, just written. Just MO.
The only real disappointing thing to me about the whole starting fresh thing is that I really wanted "Raise the Knife" to be on the next album. Now I've only heard it while awaiting DT's arrival to the stage before a couple shows, but it sounded pretty cool, and Myung wrote the lyrics (according to the list of written songs that DT put up during the FII sessions), and we all know how good LtL and ToT are (maybe RtK should have been called 'Raise the Razor' or something...RtR?). Alas.
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Thanx, all, for all the discussion about mp3s. I know very little about software other than Winamp, and I'm interested in making some from my music collection to put on my computer, and maybe to put on some CDRs. I'm eager to hear more of the discussion. After going to the Empeg-car site, I've become really excited about mp3s. I went to mp3.com (which wasn't quite as helpful as I had expected) and I updated my 1.55 version of Winamp to 2.09. Thanx again, all, for sharing your thoughts and suggestions
-Chris
"Philosophers and ploughmen, each must know his part To sow a new mentality, closer to the heart."
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:05:06 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Candiria / requesting from portnoy Message-ID: <222683e1.36b93892@aol.com>
>< Candiria -- anybody heard of them? ><
Yeah, and unless they have a new album and I knew style I don't know about, that review in rolling stone is completely wrong. but something in rolling stone being wrong...whos surprised? anyway, they're basically NYC hardcore punk along the lines of sick of it all or just any hardcore-like band
>< It's a priveledge to have Mike Portnoy reading this list on a regular basis...But guys, HE'S NOT A VENDING MACHINE. I tire of seeing everyone and his brother on the 'jam asking Mike for both versions of Met. 2 to be released, for Raise The Knife to be included on the next album etc ><
Bravo! It's amazing he's able to put up with it.
Jim
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:57:47 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: New DT CD news Message-ID: <19990204065748.8317.qmail@hotmail.com>
>We will self-produce (with a mixer TBA) and spontaniously write & record (ala >LTE). >(The big difference will be that we will have 2-3 months to do it, instead of >1-2 weeks.) > >Recording will probably last through to May, as we will take March off for the >birth of my son...... >Mike Portnoy
Okay, so LTE will finish their shows (if they haven't already) and the band head into the studio a week later (re-writing the major epic), then they'll only take one month off for the birth of Portnoy's son, then they'll finish the album and (I think) begin work on the LTE follow up? My Lord! Those boys are serious hard-workers! DT fans shouldn't feel neglected (not that any do). I'm VERY impressed.
*Trent
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:16:39 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: How many times............. Message-ID: <36B94957.A124F75@ozemail.com.au>
>If Met2 (if it's on the next album) is redone to fully incorporate >Jordan, we will have 2 different versions. Hey Mike, is there any way in >the future of having the Derek version available in any form, just so we can >know what it sounded like?
How many times does it need to be said that Met 2 has only been played/rehearsed just One time ? AND that there presently is NO recording of it ?
Once, twice a thousand perhaps.......
gaz
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