YTSEJAM Digest 4656
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Humble Apologies
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
2) Can't read? call.... (ANDTC)
by "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
3) HardRoxx in the USA
by "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
4) Re: mariah carey & vocal ranges
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
5) Re: Mike Oldfield
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
6) The places we find braille
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4655
by Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si>
8) Boots and MP3s
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
9) A three octave range is pretty standard, I'm afraid.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) Re: The places we find braille
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
11) OIAL Cover Question
by EricPMetze@aol.com
12) Re: Tesla Da Man
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
13) Re: Ebay Asshole
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
14) Re: The places we find braille
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:30:20 -0500
From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Humble Apologies
Message-ID: <36BDA37C.26B6DB22@frontierlogic.com>
"Gallop, Neil" wrote:
> sorry for sending my last mail full of MIME shit.
That's ok. We forgive you. Just as long as you apologize for sending
this mail full of MIME shit. :)
Anyway, This is a problem. We all know that when it comes to posting to
the jam, MIME is a waste of bandwidth. If you're having problems with
your mail reader. E-mail me. Chances are, I've supported a user that
used the same e-mail reader that you are currently using.
-mojoman
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:33:00 +0100
From: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Can't read? call.... (ANDTC)
Message-ID: <000801be52a6$c3eeabc0$7ce64382@default>
ABSOLUTELY NO DT CONTENT! (sorry)
>From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
>I always thought hooked on phonics had the lamest of them.
>If you don't know how to read, call 1-800-ABCDEFG.
I can see it! :-) incredibly dumb!
wanna see it the way I see it?
http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/read.jpg
That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever
heard! Wait a minute that can't be true,=20
I'm on the Jam....
Jonas Opsal
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My Dream Theater page:
http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:42:34 -0000
From: "Charlie Farrell" <Charlie_Farrell@email.msn.com>
To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: HardRoxx in the USA
Message-ID: <03f575842140729UPIMSSMTPUSR06@email.msn.com>
Those of you looking for a nice DT-friendly music magazine might find it
interesting to pick up a copy of the UK mag 'HardRoxx', which is apparently
going to be distributed throughout 80 Towere Records stores in the USA. If
you're interested in bands across the spectrum of AOR/Hard FM/
progressive/Prog-Metal/Trad Metal and you find it difficult hearing and
getting info on obscure European bands, then you might find it interesting
to get hold of a copy and the cover CD.
Check out their website at http://www.hardroxx.com/
(they seem to be bad at responding to email though)
. and no, I don't have any connection with them other than the fact I'm
a subscriber.
Charlie
URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:09:09 -0500
From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: mariah carey & vocal ranges
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990207150909.01941898@artist-shop.com>
At 05:51 AM 2/7/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>"No one, I repeat, no one has a 7 octave range. If you can cover more
>than
>3, you're better than anybody. "
>
>I beg to differ. I can't recall where I saw it exactly (I think it was
>The Learning Channel, which is a reputable source), but Mariah Carey
>supposedly has a 6 1/4 octave range, second only to some opera singer
>who's name I cannot recall.
Vocal ranges tend to be wildly exaggerated figures. I myself am an operatic
tenor and am not lying when I boast a better than three octave range quoted
above - although how much of that range produces notes that are actually
musical is another question entirely (LOL!!!).
While Mariah Carey may have a decent voice, a fully functional 6 1/4 octave
range is something that I would be skeptical about unless I actually heard
it. Also a lot of people may look at these figures without realizing
exactly what they represent. For example, do you realize a guitar with
standard tuning does not come close to a 6 or 7 octave range? I recommend
sitting down at a piano, picking a six or seven octave range of keys, and
hitting the lowest and highest notes of that range to get a true
appreciation of exactly what's being discussed here. In the realm of
progressive music, one of the most impressive ranges I've heard is probably
that of Annie Haslam of Renaissance.
BTW, if I may be allowed a bit of boasting, one of the highlights of my
opera singing was being a tenor in the chorus of the world premiere
performance of Stewart Copeland's Holy Blood and Crescent Moon in Cleveland
about 10 years ago. Stewart was there for much of the rehearsals and
performance and I got a chance to chat with him a couple times. Nice
fellow. Gee, so does that mean I was in one of Stewart Copeland's bands? LOL!
Gary
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Gary Davis
The Artist Shop The Other Road
http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com
phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923
SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!!
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Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at
http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:22:23 -0500
From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990207152223.019fd960@artist-shop.com>
At 05:51 AM 2/7/99 -0800, CyberDuke wrote:
>>
>> Tubular Bells II, folks..... There is a Tubular Bells I , but
>> it was released in 1937 or thereabouts. I don't have it.
>
>Christ, how you recomend II when you never heard the I????? :)
>Boy, I tell ya THE mastrepiece is Tubular Bells I! The II is kinda
>cheesy and has that little taste of commerciality! And 90% of the themes
>in II are taken from the part I!!!!
>
>You've never been more fooled if you say II is better than I! II is a
>result of I! :)
>The freak wrote Tubular Bells I on the age of 18 I think! :(( I don't
>get it, I just don't get it! When you listen the album you just can't
>comprehend how ca a human write that music!
>
>NOW GO AND BUY WITHOUT HESTITATION THAT part I!!!!!!!!!!!
Intellectually, I can see how someone who has never heard the original
Tubular Bells could think Tubular Bells II was something special. But I am
on Cyberduke's side on this one. The original is truly a masterwork and is
a gorgeous piece of music! But I honestly cannot stomach Tubular Bells II.
The entire album is just a ripoff of the first (although some might question
whether or not an artist can actually rip himself off) and a rather bad rip
off at that. I honestly cannot think of any purpose for that album to exist
other than to rake in the money. If you have the original, there is simply
no reason to listen to Tubular Bells II, ever.
Gary
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Gary Davis
The Artist Shop The Other Road
http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com
phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923
SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!!
**************************************************************
Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at
http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:27:39 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The places we find braille
Message-ID: <36BDB0EB.50FA9E44@isd.net>
The most humorous place I've seen Braille...
I can show you several banks in the St. Paul/MPLS area that have Braille
on their drive-through teller stations. Only accessible from the drivers side.
/Al does acknowledge the possibility that a sight impaired person can
access those stations from the left rear seat of a 4 door vehicle;
So it's not total buffoonery in the interest of "feel good" policy.
I'm sure the signs were intended for the sighted transporting the blind.
At least I hope so...
NP: Al DiMeola - "Kiss My Axe"
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:47:52 +0100
From: Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4655
Message-ID: <003501be52b9$9bfe1520$18f008a4@stdevil>
>Dusko wrote:
>Maybe, but not in the country where Nikola Tesla is from! :) And that is
>one of the former YU republics, present Croatia I think (Matej or
>Sebastijan, can you confirm this?)
>
>BTW, I heard a childish rumour that Americans claim the genius Nikola
>Tesla to be American just because he was working certain period in US?
>Is this true? :) Geez, ya greedy punks!
Nikola Tesla was originally from Croatia. Worked in USA on low frequency
transformators and such... Don't know exactly. But he was from Croatia not
doubt 'bout it.
BTW McDonalds sucks. Those burgers are to little. They look like a
cokie, although they taste somewhat better. Flame me if you care!
Sebastjan
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:47:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Boots and MP3s
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.990207113751.5397B-100000@homer>
Personally.. I think MP3s are the Godsend for the boots. What a way to
capture a piece of artistic creation and preserve it forever (sometimes I
get very depressed about all the wonderfull performances by bands such as
Pink Floyd, lost forever).
At any rate, floyd fans check out this site:
http://makosteszta.sote.hu/~zaphy/pf-mp3/frames.html
it has amazing, and I am glad to see sites like this popping up in DT's
world. It is a great, free, legal way to spread music.
An interesting asside though. I created my personal copy of an entire PF
show by downloading it over a modem and burning the CD. It took 20 hours.
If someone offered that CD to me for 20 dollars, I would BUY the CD
because it is worth it to me. But I feel that it should be made
available for free on the web. Considerations.. I made 20 copies of "The
Man and The Journey" show and gave them out to friends for free. Thats 30
hours and 20 dollars, plus the equipment to create them. I dont see
anything wrong with trying to recover the losses!
Anyway I hope to see many free MP3 sites on the web...completely erases
the morality issue (Hell many of the people who set up these sites are
paying huge sums of money to run their servers!)
If anyone ever makes profits off of CD-Rs.. (which would likely be very
small)... perhaps they should think about pyutting someof the money asside
and sending it to the band :) Perhaps give some to JP and he will like
boots better!
Finally.. on my strange Sunday AM rant, I wonder if JP sdoesnt like
boots.. not because of 'morality' or 'hey.. its MY money they are
masking'... but rather he is a perfectionist, and he doesnt want a bad
performance of his recorded FOREVER! He might be more upset at people
listening to his 'bad' performances than any small amount of money he
loses. (kinda like a lot of people, perhaps many on this list, are CAMERA
shy. Same thing. we are embaressed to have our pictures taken, JP is
embaressed to have his music recorded.)
-Ponte
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:14:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: A three octave range is pretty standard, I'm afraid.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990207120455.27461B-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Gary Davis wrote:
> Vocal ranges tend to be wildly exaggerated figures. I myself am an operatic
> tenor and am not lying when I boast a better than three octave range quoted
> above - although how much of that range produces notes that are actually
> musical is another question entirely (LOL!!!).
>
> Gary
I myself must totally agree with Gary. I would say that PROBABLY (which
means I'm not sure), men have the largest ranges of either sex. Asa
baritone, I have some experience with this, PLUS I have two voice teachers
who are tenor and countertenor, respectively. For those of you who aren't
familiar with the terminology, a countertenor can sing incredibly
beautifully in the upper register, often singing in a beautiful falsetto
for the more classical pieces. I would say that a countertenor is
probably the closest to a castrato that we have in modern times. Anyway.
The reason I think that men have larger ranges than women is because a man
can sing MUCH lower than any female can (unless she's been taking
testosterone injections or something), yet can get up to some of the same
notes that most sopranos can get to. As an example, my range is from (and
these change, depending on whether I have a cold or whether it's morning
or afternoon - heh) something like a D two octaves below middle C to a
high Bb two octaves above middle C. That's actually ALMOST two octaves in
both respects. So that would be a three octave and a minor sixth range.
I don't think that I'm out of the ordinary in terms of my range, I'm a
pretty standard baritone, I'd say.
HOWEVER: the low notes in my register are very growly, unlike a bass or
bass-baritone who could sing them much more fully and with more resonance.
Likewise, once I hit about a G above middle C, I have to switch to
falsetto and while I CAN make it resonate pretty well, it's nowhere NEAR
as full as a mezzo-soprano or soprano could sing it. So while I DO have a
range that spans almost four octaves, as Gary said, I can't sing it ALL
beautifully. Though I hope I can sing in my tessatura beautifully. =)
And that's all I have to say about that.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/
ICQ: 2513441
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Sometimes, when I would read a very good book,
I would stop and thank my teacher. At least, I
used to, until she got an unlisted number.
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:17:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: The places we find braille
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990207121504.27461C-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote:
> I can show you several banks in the St. Paul/MPLS area that have Braille
> on their drive-through teller stations. Only accessible from the drivers side.
>
> /Al does acknowledge the possibility that a sight impaired person can
> access those stations from the left rear seat of a 4 door vehicle;
> So it's not total buffoonery in the interest of "feel good" policy.
> I'm sure the signs were intended for the sighted transporting the blind.
> At least I hope so...
I'm pretty sure that a company who makes the molds for the ATMs wouldn't
say, "Oh God, we can't have Braille numbers on the DRIVE-THROUGH ATMs, can
we?!" While I can obviously see the humor in that (and I've wondered the
same thing, which is why I have an answer for this subject - "Yes, it's
these kinds of things which kept me out of the good schools" - George
Carlin), I would assume that it's not cost-effective to mold two different
kinds of number buttons for the ATMs. Why not just use the ones you have
- WITH the Braille numbers on them - and save money?
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.ml.org/
ICQ: 2513441
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If Helen Keller were psychic, would we say that
she had a fourth sense?
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:15:23 EST
From: EricPMetze@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: OIAL Cover Question
Message-ID: <28382455.36bdd83b@aol.com>
On the OIAL version of "Metropolis", what is the song they break into near the
end (about 5:17)? It is some improv jam or is it a cover of another song?
[eriC]
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:28:16 -0500
From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Tesla Da Man
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990207132816.006b4454@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
CyberDuke remarked:
>Maybe, but not in the country where Nikola Tesla is from! :) And that is
>one of the former YU republics, present Croatia I think (Matej or
>Sebastijan, can you confirm this?)
Tesla was born in Smiljan, Croatia, in 1856.
>BTW, I heard a childish rumour that Americans claim the genius Nikola
>Tesla to be American just because he was working certain period in US?
>Is this true? :) Geez, ya greedy punks!
*I* for one don't claim Tesla as American; trying to pin his genius down is
a waste of time anyway.
DTC: Uh......Frank Hannon, who used to be in Tesla, likes Dream Theater. :)
ta,
Phil
=========================================================
Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 05:45:31 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Ebay Asshole
Message-ID: <36BDDF4B.D1C19920@ozemail.com.au>
>First, Thank you for your kind words.
NO, thank you for profiteering off someone else's music, that you
have no right to sell at such a disgustingly high price.
>Next.. Does it concern you? If you dont like it ignore it, and stop
playing
>internet cop.
Yes it does concern me, that should be made available to all DT/LTE
fans,
not just the ones who have the cash to buy.
Internet Cop, bwahahahahaa..............
For all those interested current bids on ebay for a couple of LTE shows
are
$41 and $51 respectively.
gaz
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:37:52 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: The places we find braille
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990207143752.007ffec0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Al, old news here in Jersey. They're everywhere now.
At 07:45 AM 2/7/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
> The most humorous place I've seen Braille...
>
> I can show you several banks in the St. Paul/MPLS area that have Braille
> on their drive-through teller stations. Only accessible from the drivers
side.
>
>
> /Al does acknowledge the possibility that a sight impaired person can
> access those stations from the left rear seat of a 4 door vehicle;
> So it's not total buffoonery in the interest of "feel good" policy.
> I'm sure the signs were intended for the sighted transporting the blind.
> At least I hope so...
>
>
> NP: Al DiMeola - "Kiss My Axe"
> --
> Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
> ^
> Switchcraft Microsystems
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
>
>
>
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