YTSEJAM Digest 4684
Today's Topics:
1) Caught in My Eye
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
2) Re: LAWSUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JamesAhab@aol.com
3) Re: c'mon, folks | TQR
by JamesAhab@aol.com
4) DVD Capture
by Uroborosss@aol.com
5) Meshuggah and Angra counterpoint
by "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com>
6) Re:Royal Hunt
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4683
by DTheater99@aol.com
8) Platypus in Europe!?!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
9) Just Say NO to Vai & Satriani!!!
by ANGELO LOMBARDI <angelo13@home.com>
10) definition
by MusicSnob@aol.com
11) Re: IN FLAMES, Fates MP3's
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Attn: Conrad Chi
by "Ryan Good, WSUM Loud Rock Director" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
13) Re: Metal Edge mag
by Darth1@aol.com
14) The Music Industry
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:37:09 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Caught in My Eye
Message-ID: <36CE6624.EEA06933@bigfoot.com>
Doesn't the chorus of Cover My Eyes sound a lot like Caught in a Web?
It's like, inverted, or something. I don't know what you call that...but
just listen especially to the outro, the "have I lost my mind....have I
lost my mind.." part on the video. Not so much the vocals, but
otherwise, it's very similar to me. To bad I forgot all the lingo.
You would think that playing clarinet for like 12 years, and getting
musical scholarships, and taking theory classes, would have had some
impact on me today. That'd be nice.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."------------------------------
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:38:54 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: LAWSUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <e185b105.36ce668e@aol.com>
>< >Currently in the car's changer: > >1.) Dream Theater - Images & Words >2.) Terry Bozzio - Drawing the Circle=20 >3.) Bangles - Greatest Hits >4.) Dokken - Under Lock and Key (so sue me) >5.) Jan Hammer - Beyond the Mind's Eye Soundtrack >6.) Asia - Live in Russia Actually, I would MUCH rather sue you over the whole "Bangles-Greatest Hits" thing, (but that's just me). Just giving you shit man. To tell ya the truth, that "Eternal Flame" song rules. Makes me wanna gently weep - just like my guitar! Later! - JK ><
Hey, I'm listening to that album right now. I dig their cover of "Hazy Shade of Winter."
Jim
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:48:11 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: c'mon, folks | TQR Message-ID: <4c431efd.36ce68bb@aol.com>
>< Normally, when a quality band comes around, the only way to overcome the fact that they're not disposable(and therefore a hindrance to future sales) is to overwhelmingly be loved. Examples: U2, Pearl Jam. ><
Hey I thought I was the only person on this list who could stand PJ.
And as for one-hit wonders; I forget who said it, but I think the 80s produced many more one-hit wonders (or one-album wonders) than the 90s. Although the industry is probably worse today then it was in the 80s.
>< They're also great guys. We played (and drank) with them at the first Powermad, and we're playing with them - and Iced Earth and Jag Panzer - in Philadelphia on the 27th. Go see this tour if you live in the Midwest/Northeast US, 'cause they're ALL good. ><
I'd go to the Philly show, but I wouldn't be able to stand having to sit through IE. Anyway, a question about TQR. I heard their singer, Chadd Castor, is gone and they got a new "cookie monster" vocalist. True? Not true?
Jim
np - Galactic Cowboys: Space In Your Face Symphony X: TDWoT The Bangles: Greatest Hits
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 03:05:27 EST From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DVD Capture Message-ID: <3d3e7b65.36ce6cc7@aol.com>
> From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye!! > > BTW... Does anyone know of a good DVD ripper? :D Something that will > capture stills and short video segments form DVD I mean? I've never heard > of one and none of the movies I have will allow screen captures. :P And > Paint Shop Pro only captures the blue background. BlaH!
I have no idea what a "ripper" is for DVD. Ripper was one of the Dreadnoughts, led by the diabolical Zartan. That's all I know. Do not e-mail me for more information about Ripper. He could tear stuff up in ways that would make even the Nemesis Enforcer jealous.
As far as single-image screen-capturing goes, find a photographer and become his or her friend. A tripod combined with a camera combined with a lens bigger than a quarter combined with the shutter open for longer than 1/60th of a second will catch a perfectly-paused television image. ESPECIALLY with DVD clarity on the screen, a paused DVD is much sharper than a paused VCR tape. Just make sure you focus sharply on the picture-tube pixels and not the glass in front of them. There's a difference of a few millimeters there, so be careful. Focusing on the glass makes crazy designs, focus slightly past it and you're bathing in pictures, baby.
Well, it worked with Aeon Flux. I can't speak for your own personal miscreantic ideas, (Korgx3^23)+3.14.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:56:27 PST From: "Dave Peterson" <glyde@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Meshuggah and Angra counterpoint Message-ID: <19990220085628.20644.qmail@hotmail.com>
Meshuggah had always been on my "Gotta get a listen to this band!" list, but it's only been until recently that I've actually heard their music.
Wow. (Don't misconstrue this to be a compliment, by the way.)
I gave a listen to Chaosphere, their newest one, without ever hearing them before. Boy were my ears in for an awakening!
Rhythms. Plain and simple. No melody, no riff, nothing but shouting and endless, non-stop, ever-changing, pulsating, battering rhythms. Polyrhythms, I believe. No trace of a pattern either. Sure the drummer keeps time with his high-hat but everything else after that is completely random. At least it sounds that way.
I can't decide if these guys are musical geniuses or musical idiots. I have no doubt that they spend ENDLESS hours compiling the technicality of their songs. I have a sneaking suspicion that the 2 guitarists are also very adept percussionists in their own rights.
This band is a drummer's dream, folks! ;)
The chord of the rhythm guitar never changes either. I don't know what it is, but it's very low, chunky and ever-changing.
Listen to one second of track one and it sounds exactly like the first second of pretty much every track of the album.
Again, I must stress that in the songs themselves, there are NO MELODIES AT ALL!!! This complete lack of musical notes utterly boggles my mind. How can a band survive with such an extreme way of playing? Simply RHYTHMS??? Who do they think they are??? ;)
But at the same time, obviously these guys know what they're doing, the rhythms that they come up with are obviously VERY technical and you have no choice but to respect that. They've made quite a name for themselves in the world of metal lately, so they must be doing something right.
I just can't decide if I like them or not. Apparently, the album I've listened to (Chaosphere) is their most technical and difficult to listen to. According to some, it's not their best either. Their talent is undeniable and I don't want to give up on these guys. Just thought I'd give my impressions of this VERY unique industrial-metal band.
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On a completely different note, I've come to a conclusion about Angra. I have all 3 of their studio discs. I think we can all agree that Holy Land is by far their most progressive. But I think a lot of us also agree that their first (Angels Cry) and their latest (Fireworks) really aren't all that progressive at all. Don't get me wrong, they're awesome discs, but I think we're quick to lump Angra in with our favorite prog-metal bands without really giving thought to what Angra is all about.
My impression is not that Angra is a prog-metal band that happens to put out a non-prog album every once and awhile.
I feel Angra simply doesn't qualify as a prog-metal band in my book. Sure they put out a prog album, but does that make the band prog?
I admit they have progressive tendencies from time to time, but then so do a TON of non-prog bands.
I really don't want to start a war over "What is prog???" again, but in my book, here's some of the main "prog" criteria that Angra simply doesn't fit in with on their albums other than Holy Land.
Long songs Technical musicality Unique instrumentality Extended solo/jam sessions
Take from this what you will, but that's my take on Angra. They're a band I love that I learned about on the 'Jam, but they really don't seem to be doing the "prog" thing as much as I thought. So what? They rock anyway.
Later!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:58:12 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re:Royal Hunt Message-ID: <36CE7924.60544CE1@isd.net>
Matija wrote: >Hi ! >Where i can find a good Royal hunt page.
>Someone knows?
You're going to feel silly once you see the URL. http://www.royalhunt.com/
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:29:34 EST From: DTheater99@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4683 Message-ID: <3d3e5f79.36ce807e@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/20/99 2:20:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< TW, what's Chris DeGarmo up to these days? He would make a decent 2nd for DT. And having heard the new QR samples it would appear he's not the one responsible for their shitty last album. Or maybe swipe Alex Lifeson from Rush for a few months. I'd love to hear JP with another guitarist (more guitars MORE MORE MORE!!!!!!). I don't see Vai or Satriani as backup guitarists though. Just listen to the end of the G3 album. When they have to share the lead it sounds like hell. Nuno would be awesome though. And he can sing... >>
He plays guitar in Jerry Cantrell's band....last i heard
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:34:25 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Platypus in Europe!?! Message-ID: <36CEB9E1.4B986CD3@mol.com.mk>
Hi all!
I just wanted to ask some Europen jammers how much is avalable Platyous in Europe? Can it be found easily? I'm especially interested in Hungarin jammers comments! Please e-mail me privately. Can you find Platypus in the music shops in Budapest? Those on Vaci street square maybe? How much is it?
BTW, I'm not interested in some orders thru the net, only non-virtuel stuff! :)
Victor, how about in Bulgaria? Yo Sebastijan, Matej, do you have it over there? -- CyberDuke
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:21:32 -0500 From: ANGELO LOMBARDI <angelo13@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Just Say NO to Vai & Satriani!!! Message-ID: <36CED2FC.4754FAB6@home.com>
> > ANGELO LOMBARDI wrote:
> > DT does NOT need more guitars!!!!!!! JP is incredible alone. Vai & > > Satriani are ALL effects. I SUCK on the guitar, BUT I can sound > > like Vai or Satriani with 20 effect rack AND about 15 foot pedals. > > Hit one note & it sounds like Bach or Mozart. ANYBODY can use > > effects, but JP is just GREAT! Probably my fav guitarist. > > > > Angelo > > Man now youre really talking out of your ass... granted, vai does > use effects often.. but i dare you to play for the love of god and > sound like vai...or play always with me , always with you and sound > like satriani... > -- > Carlos A. Alfaro > SysAdmin.: Internet Solutions Inc. > mailto:calfaro@yunque.net / mailto:calfaro@caribe.net > (ICQ)1254229
I'll tell you what... "For The Love Of God" is the ONLY song by Vai that I like. Seems like the only song that he sat down & thought about it.
With effects, it's MORE with Satriani. He's ALL effects. He (they) gets some cool sounds, but I don't know where people get by saying they are one of the best. I like JP, Alex Lifeson, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker (what ever happen to him with his sickness?), and someone that NOBODY mentions: Kai Hanson. Just to name a few...
Angelo
PS: Can anybody get me ANY info on the band The Quiet Room? They sound interesting.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:33:37 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: definition Message-ID: <f305ecfc.36ced5d1@aol.com>
Someone with a sense of humor wrote: >sold them pronto for well over cost (no, I'm not a scalper, just paying for >gas to drive down from Santa Barbara)
Ha! Selling for over cost = scalping. You think the cops would accept the fact that you were just "covering costs?" Hey, officer, I wasn't really scalping them, I was just covering my costs for waiting in line! That's a good. I don't really care if someone scalps or not, but cut with the self- delusional b.s.
NP: Evergrey - The Dark Discovery
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:28:21 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: IN FLAMES, Fates MP3's Message-ID: <f0091b64.36cee2a5@aol.com>
Hey Jammerz -
Conrad, I want to second Roger's assessment to check out "The Jester Race" by In Flames, too. Both that and "Whoracle" are masterpieces, and this is coming from someone who generally dislikes anything with cookie monster vocals. The only exceptions for me are In Flames, Amorphis (another INCREDIBLE band, I think they're BETTER than In Flames if you haven't heard them), and Opeth (had to make Roger smile! :-) )
Anyway, as far as "The Jester Race", Roger and I discussed this a while back. "Whoracle" sounds to me like the next logical progression from TJR. On TJR, at times, it seems like they would just play blasts of speed for the sake of it, not necessarily because the song called for it. It's hard to explain, but "Whoracle" sounds more mature, controlled, and natural. Although, don't get me wrong, TJR is a MUST buy. It has some killer tunes on it. If you loved "Whoracle", you'll love "The Jester Race".
And.... if you haven't done so, pick up "Tales From the Thousand Lakes", "Elegy", and the "My Kantele" EP from Amorphis. Incredible stuff. Melodic prog death metal. Incredible stuff. "Elegy" is one of my favorite albums in recent years. Can't wait for their new one! :-)
Anyway, 'nuff said about that. Also, someone was requesting some Fates MP3's. If I'm not mistaken, there are a few of them on Mike Kizer's "Island In the Stream" Fates site: http://www.ivorygate.com/
Hope this helps.... Matt T.
PS: Does anyone know the inside scoop on the recording of DT99 is going? I'm a little surprised that MP hasn't given us any brief studio updates since they started the sessions. Who knows, maybe it's still too soon to give "prog"ress reports...
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:32:51 -0600 From: "Ryan Good, WSUM Loud Rock Director" <rtgood@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Attn: Conrad Chi Message-ID: <199902201635.KAA77356@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Conrad- I agree with you about In Flames...it's an awesome disc. But I know a CD that will slay In Flames. Pick up Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" and get ready. The CD is basically a concept album with amazing lyrics. Here is the tracklisting: Prologue :59 April Ethereal 8:41 When 9:14 (1 of my faves) Madrigal 1:25 The Amen Corner 8:43 Demon of the Fall 6:13 (another fave) Credence 5:26 Karma 7:52 Prologue 3:50 The vocals vary in the usual Opeth style from low deathy to mid-range and melodic. The breaks in the songs are enough to stop your heart and then start it again. ____________________________________________________________________ WSUM - MADISON STUDENT RADIO ____________________________________________________________________ "How sublime a thing it is, to suffer and be strong." -Enchant ____________________________________________________________________ Ryan Good - WSUM - Assistant Music Director / Loud Rock Director "The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://wsum.wisc.edu Host of Strong Progress, FRIDAY's 5pm-8pm Home - 608-286-6747 Radio - 608-262-1206 ____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:09:25 EST From: Darth1@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Metal Edge mag Message-ID: <af1e23a4.36ceec45@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/20/99 1:20:11 AM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.co= m writes:
> Because some magazines- ESPECIALLY Metal Edge, (although it's still one = of > the only kickass rock mags out there) have a serious lag time between t= he > time > they get printed, and the time they finally released to the public. > Sometimes > Metal Edge is up to 3 months behind in current events, so when that iss= ue > was > printed, Jordan probably wasn't even a member yet.
Something else wierd i noticed was that issue was labeled "MAY 1999"! Did = I step a few months into the Twilight Zone or maybe the space-time continum bubble around the magazine was temporarily disrupted... I've heard of magazines putting out issues for the next month early, but 2 MONTHS EARLY? Well, since I'm not a regular reader, maybe they do that all the time and = I just had'nt noticed...
Josh S. Da=AEth0ne=99
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:16:13 EST From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The Music Industry Message-ID: <813920b7.36cefbed@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-02-18 23:55:35 EST, you write:
<< The music industry, like the fashion industry, thrives on change.
The music industry is like any business. You stick with something that works (meaning makes money) until it doesn't work anymore (meaning it doesn't make any money). THEN you change. But you don't do it for the sake of doing it.
There's no money in selling something that lasts! It has to be disposable, it has to be fad-based.
No offense, but that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard (now why would someone take offense to that?). It's called "repeat business." If you've had a Honda for a several years and are looking for a new car, if you've enjoyed your time with your last car, you're more likely to buy a newer car from that manufacturer. Hell, maybe you'll even buy some Honda T-shirts for your family. If it kept giving you problems, you're more likely to switch. The same is true for the music industry. If you buy the new Hanson album and love it (like I did, keep reading if you dare), you're more likely to buy future albums, go to concerts, buy merchandise, etc. If you didn't, you won't. If a record company shells out $150,000 to make an album and it goes platinum ten times over, everybody involved stands to make a shit load of money (with the artists being the lowest head on the totem pole). You don't think that the record companies, promoters, merchandisers, etc, want that to happen with that same artist every two years? Of course they do. It beats shelling out money to an unknown talent. Record companies like to play it safe. They want something that lasts because then they don't have to undertake the overwhelming process of actually taking a chance on anything.
If the value of something is intrinsic and NOT fad-based, then it is not disposable,
You're assuming the existence of intrinsic value within a highly subjective art form. Good luck.
and why do you think pantyhose is disposable? Because people bought a pair, and that was that. No repeat revenues. So manufactures made it so it rips on purpose, and solved their little revenue problem.
Okay, so you're saying that the record company wants to spend $400,000 on the recording of an album and another $400,000 on the promotion and marketing of it only to have to it flop so that people will by another album from that label? Are you serious?
Everyone knows Dream Theater is good.
1) Not everybody has heard of Dream Theater 2) Everyone I've met who has is in agreement that they are very good musicians. But not everybody will agree they're good.
Atlantic can't market it, because if they got fans too interested in lasting, quality music, nobody would buy Matchbox 20 anymore
Who's to say Matchbox 20 won't have a long and profitable career. Yourself Or Someone Like You is their debut album and they were the most sucessful rock at of '98 (in terms of chart position). Their second album will probably sell decently if they can get it out soon enough BECAUSE PEOPLE ENJOYED THE FIRST ONE!!!!. But I digress. It will probably fall short of expectations (as most albums following an explosive debut do- see Hootie), but as long as they make money for the label, they will continue to make records. And DT is on East/West, which is owned by Elektra, not Atlantic.
We should be thanking Atlantic.
Elektra.....
we should be grateful that Atlantic has been as goodas they have, selling things like ACoS.
To be honest, and I say this as I die-hard Dream Theater fan (I'm here, afterall) I'm really surprised that Elektra has kept them around. Awake fell below expectations and FII wasn't the crossover hit they were expecting. As for ACOS, it was probably realitively cheap to record (one studio song, the rest live- sort of) and therefore created a higher profit margin, despite the lower price for an EP. If their next record does come out on Elektra, my only explanation is that the powers that be see DT as having this rabid cult following and want to exploit that, hopefull turning them into something like Rush, where every album will go Gold.
Puff Daddy is an evil genius. By taking good music - to insure his work sells
I'm sure every Led Zep fan went out and bought the Godzilla soundtrack just because of the Puff Daddy/Jimmy Page connection. Please. The target market for this type of thing is young (mostly white) kids, who have mostly never heard of Led Zep, or The Police.
Rap is monotonous, unimaginative, uncreative, uninspiring.
Some say the same about prog. Deal.
I keep reading how there have never been as many one-hit bands as there are right now. Never before in history have so many bands been so disposable. Did rap, which lures the lowest common denominator into a huge frenzy of buying, have something to do with this? mmmmmmmmmmmmmAYBE! There just as responsible as Dream Theater. To many people in the rock community, Dream Theater is a one-hit wonder. "Dream Theater? Oh, yeah...didn't they have that one song, "Pull My Underwear?"
All I know is, Hank the angry drunken dwarf is never getting on that cover, and Voices is never getting airplay, because what people really want means absolutely nothing. And all I know is that this message was the color red when I got it and I can't explain why.
Richie
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