YTSEJAM Digest 4697
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696
by "Jonathan" <keu@nais.com>
2) LTL - Woo..oohh...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
3) Re: Jordan
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
4) Portnoy's drumkit
by "Martin" <mpb@netlab.sk>
5) Kenny Wayne Shephard (NDTC)
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
6) Re: Portnoy's drumkit
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
7) Re: And who the heck are 311??
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
8) Nightwish
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
9) Re: KoRn-Hole-io
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
11) eat shit and die!
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
12) KWS vs The world
by Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
14) Eve with samples \ SPAM on the JAM
by "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
15) Re: DT Tribute CD
by psull@ici.net
16) Re: Kenny Wayne Shephard (NDTC)
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
17) cabbage rolls and saigon kicking
by mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org>
18) Re: cabbage rolls and saigon kicking
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:00:23 -0500
From: "Jonathan" <keu@nais.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696
Message-ID: <007e01be6006$72012320$0201a8c0@uslny2>
ARRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
Ok thats it' ive had it.
What gives any of you the right to judge anyone elses music if you dont like
it dont listen to it. Ive been on this list on and off for over 5 years
now. and ya know what Im sick of it. SOMEONE ANYONE TAKE ME OFF THIS FUCKING
LIST DAMN IT!
bye
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:03:05 -0600
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTL - Woo..oohh...
Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF0332A2@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
Si the UK jammer asked :-
>Since people have been talking about a)backing vocals and b)Learning
>to Live, I have a question:
>Who the fuck is singing those wo-oh-oh bits on the record? It...
Well I've always thought it was a keyboard patch/sample... It just
sounds too fake, I haven't heard the album version in a while though,
could be a good excuse to give I&W a bit of a spin.
Cheers,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
NP: FNM - King For A Day (It's smooth and it's cold, and it's a hard
shade of white....!).
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:29:14 -0000
From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-dejanews.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Jordan
Message-ID: <PDHKEFEMOBOMAAAA@my-dejanews.com>
Xylophone sound? I LOVE IT!!!!!!
If anything, most keyboard players totally lack any percussive/textural sensibility, so the more Jordan brings to the table, the happier I am. Rock music, if it can make any claims over other forms of music, has the advantage of an unlimited pallette of sound to pick from. Jordan embraces this idea - his grab-bag of sounds is enormous. Nice, fat, round sounds out of a keyboard. Huh, what a concept.
I'm not going to fault anything he does on either LTE album as being excessive. That was the name of the game. Plus, I don't hear it. Usually, whenever he's going off, it's complimentary to Petrucci. I would expect his playing - along with the other guys - to tone down in the context of DT just a hair. A singer will do that to you and I don't think it's fair to assume that they will approach DT the same way they did LTE.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:16:32 +0100
From: "Martin" <mpb@netlab.sk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Portnoy's drumkit
Message-ID: <001001be5f3f$8059cde0$491ea8c3@h6d7z8>
Hi jammers,
I'd like to ask what kit used Portnoy on LTE recording sessions.
I think it wasn't his hige Tama. I also saw pictures of LTE live and
he played on kit with 1 bass and 3 toms and ...dunno what. I'm
new in this mailing list so I want to say 'Hi' to all of you. Dream
Theater and LTE are simply awesome. I've read the previous digest
and I agree that Derek is/was totally different than Kevin. I think
Kevin was more constructive and keyboards were more important
part on Images And Word/Awake than on Falling... But I didn't say
he is better. I'm looking forward next release with Jordan Rudess,
I like his "Liquid work" much. I've seen him live - Rudess/Morgenstein
project when I was at Dream Theater gig.
Martin
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:39:20 -0500
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Kenny Wayne Shephard (NDTC)
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC41481A@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
]From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: If you want proof that polls lie...
>>
>> Kenny isn't bad at all.
>
>Kenny is a soulless hack, a BB King/Howlin Wolf wannabe. He sucks more than
>any supposed 'blues' player I've ever heard. I'm not being hyperbolic here;
>I'm dead serious. He's awful.
>
>-Brian
At first, I didn't think Kenny was that bad at all - on first listen, I was
pretty impressed with the kid's sound, and he had a feel reminiscent of SRV
but with his own style in there. Then I got to REALLY listen to him and was
like, "Well, ok. Maybe he doesn't have his own style. Maybe he's just an SRV
clone." THEN I found out that he doesn't even improvise his solo's! Sorry,
but when you're playing the blues, you don't script a solo and play it the
exact same way time after time. No grey area on that - you just don't do it.
So I guess Brian's assessment of KWS is right on the money. If you're into
sterile, 'white boy with no soul' blues, then a KWS album is perfect for you
(for those of you in Massachusetts, Monster Mike Welch is JUST like this - a
white boy with no soul). If you'd rather the real thing, then get SRV.
Then again, Kenny probably gets more ass than a toilet seat. So who am I to
sit here and say he sucks?
Nicholas Giannotti x6745
Joint STARS Contracts
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
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fructuosis potiri potes!
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:50:10 -0500 (EST)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Portnoy's drumkit
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990224104805.7560A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: Martin <mpb@netlab.sk>
> Subject: Portnoy's drumkit
>
>
> he played on kit with 1 bass and 3 toms and ...dunno what. I'm
> new in this mailing list so I want to say 'Hi' to all of you. Dream
> Theater and LTE are simply awesome. I've read the previous digest
> and I agree that Derek is/was totally different than Kevin. I think
in other words: "hi, i'm new to the list and missed out on the derek vs
kevin wars, and i feel deprived, so i'll just do my side of it now." :)
--"You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!" -- KorgX3
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:55:35 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: And who the heck are 311?? Message-ID: <19990224155536.11849.qmail@hotmail.com>
> In fact, this album has some >progressive tendencies. Its called Transistor. Big-time 311 fans were not >appreciative of this album, but I am.
Oh I know. 311 made so many new fans with their self-titled album. Those same fans were turned off by Transistor, which I personally don't understand as Transistor absolutely rocked. I loved it. My favorite 311 song just happens to be "Use Of Time".
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:04:19 EDT From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Nightwish Message-ID: <199902241104.AA83951950@pressroom.com>
>NIGHTWISH - 'Oceanborn' >This is one of the best CDs I have EVER bought. They finally got
Where did you get it from? I can only find 'Angels Fall First'....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music "The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises ICQ#13068879 shatter the illusion of integrity." longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:29:57 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: KoRn-Hole-io Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990224111755.29654B-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Amanda Rosenblum wrote:
> makes me sick, as do most of the polls out there. I was looking at a > list of Grammy nominees in this Sundays calendar section of the LA Times > and almost puked. All I saw was "Lauryn Hill" this, "Natalie Imbruglia"
By the way, great subject header.....
Anyway, not for nothing, but the Lauryn Hill album, if you listen to it, IMHO, of course, is a very good album and deserves a lot of the attention it's getting. Maybe not for thae one song that's nominated (some Aretha Franklin cover I believe), but surely as an album in general.
Narrow-mindedness and close-mindedness sometimes go hand in hand. But then again, everyone has their own opinion (you know, if I trademark that last phrase there, I'd make TONS of $$$)......
-Al
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:21:19 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696 Message-ID: <1D3D1775D6@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
> "aawwww fuck it!" ~Mike Portnoy Please explain the context of this one!! This is great.
> Jordan is a great player, and he writes hella music. however Jordan > doesn't have a clue when NOT to play. Not counting "State of Grace", the This is the thing that worries me, as well...
<all the rest of that post, basically giving Jordan a well-rounded, albeit very fair, kicking, which I won't waste space quoting> I can't remember who it was, but someone warned me that the 'Jam would soon start bitching about JR. And so it begins.
> I am interested in trading MP3s of entire albums. NO!!!!!! please DO NOT do this. This is illegal in a way that bootlegs are not: rationally. By doing this, you deprive bands of income, which is BAD. Trading MP3s of a few songs that you have on CD is one thing, but whole albums 'cos you don't have them? BUY THE FUCKING ALBUMS YOU SKINFLINT! And if you haven't got the money, either GO TO THE LIBRARY, or GO WITHOUT!
> "John Petrucci on guitar, people..." - KJLB, OIAL > Gee, we didn't notice James miss his cue, now did we? This was completely unfair. LISTEN TO YOUR FUCKING CD, YOU PRAT. The songs are not the same as on the record, who are you to say that it wasn't intentional? They probably rehearsed it like that. I personally prefer it that way. Sounds less rushed. Next you'll be complaining that JP ended up on the wrong fucking note. At least that's fair, because it sounds like he did, but who are you to say?
Sorry, I'm venting.
> the tribute albums I've ever heard of have been dedicated to bands with a > much fuller body of work, usually amassed over a longer period of time. > DT has no such track record, obviously. Heh. Oasis had at least three tribute albums, not to mention tribute bands, after TWO records. You've got a fair point, but who cares - we'll never hear of the jerks again. People doing projects like this are like the guys on the Levis ad. Stiltskin, anyone? Freakpower?
Si
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:04:10 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: eat shit and die! Message-ID: <36D43F1A.504F8E2B@bigfoot.com>
>1-888-248-1529
Is there any way we could tie up this line for a few weeks? Any hackers out there? I think it would be fitting if we could make their phones ring non-stop for 1 month straight.When they pick up, maybe a recording of really small dogs barking right into the receiver. every time.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another."
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:57:45 -0500 From: Dave M Klint <davek@csh.rit.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: KWS vs The world Message-ID: <199902241757.MAA08889@elwood.csh.rit.edu>
>From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> > >Kenny is a soulless hack, a BB King/Howlin Wolf wannabe. He sucks more than >any supposed 'blues' player I've ever heard. I'm not being hyperbolic here; >I'm dead serious. He's awful.
Woah woah woah, I'm no big blues fan, but Kenny Wayne Shepherd needs a little more credit than that. I mean, SRV is one of my biggest guitar heroes, and KWS takes a lot of his licks from him. Granted, unless he gets a lot better he's not going to rock the world with his guitar skills, but he is a good blues player. One thing I can say about KWS is, when I saw him on Hard Rock Live on VH1, he certainly doesn't 'look' like a blues player. You know how when SRV or BB King hits that one huge note or goes through a run of 16th note tripplets, their faces are always all scrunched up and you can just tell that they're not playing with their minds, they're playing with their hearts. KWS didn't have that power, but that doesn't mean that he's an awful guitarist.
DTC: I was just listening to OiaLT. You ever wonder if during DT jam sessions, KJLB just just puts the mic down and says, "How the hell do you _do_ that?" to JP? I swear, I've listened to the OiaLT guitar solo 50 times and I still get giddy every time I hear it. just thought I'd share that with y'all.
-davek NP: "Soon to be released on _world_famous_ Cheese Factory Records..."
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:12:08 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696 Message-ID: <1db2b11f.36d440f8@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-02-24 12:49:42 EST, you write:
> > "aawwww fuck it!" ~Mike Portnoy > Please explain the context of this one!! This is great. ok, well what happened is that Mr. Portnoy was trying to post somethin to the Jam throuh sucky ol' AOL and it wouldn't let him do it. So the last post he made on the subject was the above quote. I don't remember details about it, cause it was a while ago, but the post just cracked me up :} if anyone remembers more, feel free to correct, I'm sure you would anyway! BTW Thank you KorgX3 for the Jason dude info... as for the rest of ya's a big ol' raspberry for all of ya's. the one time i ask for opinions on somethin and no one replies. well what the hell? :-p I'm still looking to change servers and i'm still open to suggestions. C'mon ya opinionated prog heads! :} Ok, i'm done ranting now
~Lisa shoulda went to bed before 5am
DragynLMC3@aol.com "aawwww fuck it!" ~Mike Portnoy http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/index.html Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible. ~F. Zappa
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:36:07 +0100 From: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no> To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Eve with samples \ SPAM on the JAM Message-ID: <001601be6026$be301b00$b8e64382@default>
I just heard Eve w/ the samples. Awesome! Really cool. Eve has always been one of my favourite "off album songs", so finding this song (bogie's site is the best!) was cool. However, the mp3 I have is live, and I would really like to get a better quality version. Is this song available in better quality somewhere? Please help.
There has been alot of SPAM on the Jam lately, is there anything we can do to help Skadz get rid of it? I see some of you are working on a sollution to the MIME problem. Great! It would be cool to have a MIME free YtseJam.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:03:36 -0500 From: psull@ici.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT Tribute CD Message-ID: <199902241852.NAA02410@bajor.ici.net>
> Now we have the DT tribute. I haven't heard any ET, but from what I know, > every review seems to call them I&W clones, or something along those > lines. I certainly know that they haven't established themselves in any > way, nor have they made a name for themselves in any way outside of > comparisons to DT. So it seems fair to wonder: how legit IS this tribute? > As much as we ALL love DT, have they really amassed enough of a corpus of > work for the market to demand a tribute album? And really, what IS the > motivation for the bands getting involved?
It seems to me that if you were a nobody band trying to exploit another, more popular band to gain notoriety, there are much better targets available than DT. Right now, DT has, at best, a widespread cult-type following. At least Rush gets quite a bit of radio airplay (and most people have heard of them).
The easiest response to your question is that since Empty Tremor is basically an I&W band, ANY ET song would be, in essence, a DT tribute. This album would just be them coming right out and admitting it. :-)
The real motivation, however, could be the same thing that drove the whole YtseTribute thing: people who make music that were/are influenced by DT do covers of their songs.
Not *everyone* has ulterior motives...
___Pat Sullivan_______________ Email: psull@ici.net ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS WWW: http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:53:53 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Kenny Wayne Shephard (NDTC) Message-ID: <iss.6a35.36d458cc.8c938.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Nick Giannotti said:
> At first, I didn't think Kenny was that bad at all - on first listen, I was > pretty impressed with the kid's sound, and he had a feel reminiscent of SRV > but with his own style in there. Then I got to REALLY listen to him and was > like, "Well, ok. Maybe he doesn't have his own style. Maybe he's just an SRV > clone." THEN I found out that he doesn't even improvise his solo's!
You know, maybe I'm just STUPID. :-P
When I was ranting, I was thinking of Jonny Lang. Shepherd is decent, but still a total imitator, of SRV as Nick said above..
Blame it on the flu fever....
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:59:56 -0500 From: mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: cabbage rolls and saigon kicking Message-ID: <001001be6030$433695a0$e704d2ab@hp-customer>
I'm sorry for combining new threads, but this e-mail program is a pain to work with...
>>Just to defend BFF, they're probably done now (Brick killed them, that >>lowsy balled), but they had more than one popular radio song. But that's >>another discussion, and I'm probably the only one who likes them. They're >>the only band I know of with a lead singer/pianist. Sort of a cool hook, >IMHO.
Well, actually, Queen was rather successful with not only an extremely talented vocalist but an extremely talented pianist and songwriter all wrapped up in one Freddie Mercury...
>OK...First off, RHCP and Metallica started in the mid/early '80s >respectively. Secondly, if the '90s are going to be remembered for these >bands, i'm glad the decade's almost over! When my son is older and >listening to his kind of music [shudder] bands like PJ, Nirvana, and NIN >will be vague footnotes in music history. 311???? No. Not even close.
Pearl Jam and Nirvana I will agree -- nothing spectacular about those two. Nirvana has somehow captured a cult image through mindless riffs and a suicidal lead singer (you'd think they'd go the same way of Joy Division -- you know, have a comic book/tv series/movie series based on their lyrics, but noooo. probably because joy division was so much more talented) and Pearl Jam through Eddie Vedder's "ravaged vocals" and interesting novelties (don't tell me that zillions of different posters and crazy packaging techniques don't catch teenage eyes) but Nine Inch Nails has some genuine quality behind the music. Trent Reznor, essentially a solo artist for so long, lives the music. The lyrics are quite deep -- subtle in some places, where appropriate and other places quite blatant -- and the music boggles my mind as to the method of creation. I recognize that NIN is viewed as some kind of techno-offshoot appealing to Gothic kids everywhere, but to me it seems more like the nineties version of the progressive rock movement -- Reznor is pushing the music beyond the alternative idiocies in a mainstream format. I don't think this is the place for me to gush about NIN, but with an album similar to The Wall in so many places and a frontman who is not only unafraid of just about everything musical, NIN has an incredible potential it has utilized in several instances.
I also found it interesting that no one mentioned Smashing Pumpkins -- while not a big fan of the band, I respect Corgan's love of music.
Well, I think that's just about all I can rant about for now...
mjt -- "Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding A pool in the shape of a heart." -- Kevin Moore of Dream Theater, "Space-Dye Vest" ICQ: 3856787
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:49:48 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: cabbage rolls and saigon kicking Message-ID: <iss.3633.36d465e8.4342f.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
> Pearl Jam and Nirvana I will agree -- nothing spectacular about those two. > but Nine Inch Nails has some genuine > quality behind the music. Trent Reznor, essentially a solo artist for so > long, lives the music. The lyrics are quite deep -- subtle in some places, > where appropriate and other places quite blatant -- and the music boggles my > mind as to the method of creation.
Man, I can't see how someone could feel this way. We all have our own taste in music, I guess. I'll agree on Nirvana, overhyped hacks. But imo, Pearl Jam is infinitely more interesting than NIN. Reznor is merely Marilyn Manson with slightly more shame and less marketing sense, as far as I'm concerned. Deep lyrics? "I wanna fuck you like an animal" is right on par with "rape me my friend."
-Brian
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