YTSEJAM Digest 4698
Today's Topics:
1) Re: cabbage rolls and saigon kicking
by "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
2) re: full album mp3s
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
3) Pearl Jam
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
4) Derek vs. Jordan?
by "Martin" <mpb@netlab.sk>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697
by mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org>
6) Re: VOTE KORN ON TRL!
by JamesAhab@aol.com
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
8) Nightwish disc
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
9) in response to ATTENTION ALL DRUMMERS....
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
10) Re: Jordan
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
11) KWS (No DTC)
by Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca>
12) monster mike welch...young blues players...
by Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697
by Sebast87@aol.com
14) 311... Pearl Jam, Nirvana... etc..
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
15) Re: VOTE KORN ON TRL!
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
16) stump, schtuff, grammy, tribute, mp kit, pearl jam
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:24:20 -0400
From: "Carlos Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: cabbage rolls and saigon kicking
Message-ID: <19990224211617921.AAA334@mcs01.yunque.net@SMART01.yunque.net>
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> From: Brian D. Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Re: cabbage rolls and saigon kicking
> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 5:05 PM
> Man, I can't see how someone could feel this way. We all have our own
taste in
> music, I guess. I'll agree on Nirvana, overhyped hacks. But imo, Pearl
Jam is
> infinitely more interesting than NIN. Reznor is merely Marilyn Manson
with
> slightly more shame and less marketing sense, as far as I'm concerned.
Deep
> lyrics? "I wanna fuck you like an animal" is right on par with "rape me
my
> friend."
>
> -Brian
>
Im in no way a NiN fan, at least not yet, althought i enjoy the Quake 1
soundtrack, but arent you judging and dismissing his entire catalogue of
songs for one sentence of one track?!
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:24:53 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: full album mp3s
Message-ID: <19990224212453.19034.qmail@hotmail.com>
>NO!!!!!! please DO NOT do this. This is illegal in a way that
>bootlegs are not: rationally. By doing this, you deprive bands
>of income, which is BAD. Trading MP3s of a few songs that you
>have on CD is one thing, but whole albums 'cos you don't have
>them? BUY THE FUCKING ALBUMS YOU SKINFLINT! And if you haven't
>got the money, either GO TO THE LIBRARY, or GO WITHOUT!
i'd have to disagree.. i think mp3's are the best thing that could
possibly happen to an artist.. if more and more people use electronic
means to obtain music the than the artist will have more control over
profits.. companies like liquid audio, www.liquidaudio.com , are making
a TINY profit off of album sales in comparison to the big names who suck
the artist dry.. technically, yes, the artist loses your 2 dollars off
of the 15 dollar album you just download if you don't buy it, but i
personally like having CD's so i go buy the CD if i like it. and if
artists realize that the world wide web is a wonderful tool to use to
their advantage and the demise of corporate megapowers that i think the
world will be a much happier place. the internet allows the artist to
control sales and publicity..that's all there is to it..how can that be
a bad thing.
inferno
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:28:46 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Pearl Jam
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990224132846.00955330@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: "Jonathan" <keu@nais.com>
>Ive been on this list on and off for over 5 years now. and ya know what Im
sick of it. SOMEONE ANYONE TAKE ME OFF THIS FUCKING LIST DAMN IT!
You'd think that after five years this moron would have learned how to
unsubscribe by now.
And for my money, Pearl Jam is a quality band, with the album Ten being in
my top ten favorites. You won't find a more diehard fan of DT around, but
I really enjoy listening to PJ because of Vedder's passion. If you don't
hear it in songs such as Black or Garden, you are really missing out. They
did help establish the 90's grunge scene, and so did Nirvana, but
comparisons of the two bands is useless, cuz they aren't even in the same
ballpark. This is all an opinion thing, but I think proger who look down
upon PJ could find quite a bit of enjoyment through this album. I'll
support anyone that doesn't like Nirvana :)
Well, I gotta get moving.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:19:42 +0100
From: "Martin" <mpb@netlab.sk>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek vs. Jordan?
Message-ID: <000801be5f72$3bde7de0$491ea8c3@h6d7z8>
>> he played on kit with 1 bass and 3 toms and ...dunno what. I'm
>> new in this mailing list so I want to say 'Hi' to all of you. Dream
>> Theater and LTE are simply awesome. I've read the previous digest
>> and I agree that Derek is/was totally different than Kevin. I think
>
>in other words: "hi, i'm new to the list and missed out on the derek vs
>kevin wars, and i feel deprived, so i'll just do my side of it now." :)
>
I'm looking forward to Derek vs. Jordan wars. :-)))))) just kiddin'
Martin
http://members.xoom.com/sparrie/
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:32:28 -0500
From: mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697
Message-ID: <000e01be603d$31800e60$0bbbc898@hp-customer>
>Man, I can't see how someone could feel this way. We all have our own taste
in
>music, I guess. I'll agree on Nirvana, overhyped hacks. But imo, Pearl Jam
is
>infinitely more interesting than NIN. Reznor is merely Marilyn Manson with
>slightly more shame and less marketing sense, as far as I'm concerned. Deep
>lyrics? "I wanna fuck you like an animal" is right on par with "rape me my
>friend."
I completely disagree with the Marilyn Manson comparison. Reznor is not a
singer who has no recourse but to offend; Manson has no musical quality
besides vauge Ziggy Stardust rip-offs and offensive song-titles and lyrics,
but on the other hand Reznor keeps an extremely low profile. Quoting the
song "Closer" out of context reeks of John Engler and in fact just seems to
display the prejudice and stereotyping I referenced in my original post...
Manson and Reznor deserve no analogies -- the two are completely opposite in
everything but record label.
Perhaps if I were to quote "Young Lust" out of context it would have the
same effect as your quotion "Closer." Or maybe "Space-Dye Vest"?
"Found a new girl, think we can make it, as long as she stays on the page."
That gives utterly the wrong impression regarding the meaning of the song,
just as your mangling of (in my opinion, one of the more interesting
musically songs) Nine Inch Nails lyrics. With that small quote, the song
seems not to be a morose explanation of loss but rather, perhaps, a
celebration of pornography.
mjt
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:10:07 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: VOTE KORN ON TRL! Message-ID: <a2d772e3.36d478bf@aol.com>
>< We got to try to get metal back on MTV instead of this weak Rap and boy band shit. ><
I'd rather metal and any music that is good *not* get played on MTV. Put them on the radio if you must, but they (not Korn, just any respectable band) have more dignity than to be MTV material. MTV is like the AOL of the music industry.
Jim
NP - SX: TDWoT
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:16:01 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: DragynLMC3@aol.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9902241715060.16935-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > > "aawwww fuck it!" ~Mike Portnoy
> > Please explain the context of this one!! This is great.
> ok, well what happened is that Mr. Portnoy was trying to post somethin to the > Jam throuh sucky ol' AOL and it wouldn't let him do it. So the last post he > made on the subject was the above quote. I don't remember details about it, > cause it was a while ago, but the post just cracked me up :} if anyone > remembers more, feel free to correct, I'm sure you would anyway!
Ok. I know MP tried to post a few things to the jam, but AOL sent it w/out anything in the message. I remember MP trying a few times to put something out to the jam - and then just getting tired of the attemp - hence the quote above.
- m.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:20:20 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Nightwish disc Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498092C2@messaging>
Hey people:
I sent money to a guy on this list who lives in Finland (I won't mention names, for his sake, and he can make it known if he so wishes - a lot of people want this CD and I don't want to swamp the man) and he marched down to the local record store and bought both Nightwish albums and sent them to me here in the US. As I said, he shall remain anonymous, but he is THE MAN. Oh, and BTW, if you didn't know yet, 'Oceanborn' is currently available in Finland only. You can also direct order from Spinefarm Records, Nightwish's label, which is in Finland. One problem - they ONLY take US cash via snail mail. I figured it was less risky to trust someone on this list. Maybe poor logic on my part, but at least I could use a money order... :)
<<<< >NIGHTWISH - 'Oceanborn' >This is one of the best CDs I have EVER bought. They finally got
Where did you get it from? I can only find 'Angels Fall First'.... >>>>
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:30:13 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: in response to ATTENTION ALL DRUMMERS.... Message-ID: <000501be6045$412e0ee0$8f723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
Scott Wrote... ATTENTION ALL DRUMMERS:
Just a question for you....I think I have smaller ear canals that most people or something because ear plugs just WON'T go in for me. Just curious if anyone else out there has this problem and what their solutions are. Any help is greatly appreciated, but please, not on the jam as I'm sure most people don't want to hear about my too small ear canals :)
.and my response is.... ** Pick up a set of ear protection that lumberjacks use. I think these are the best. If you get a good pair, you can use them for hours without wax buildup and your ears being uncomfortable. The really cool thing about these headphones are that you can actually hear what you are playing (just at reasonable level) it kind of echos and gives a reverb effect (very cool) However, I would not recommend these for studio use. A simple set of cheap earplugs should work. If you have smaller ear canals, just use a pair of scissors and cut them in half (lengthwise) and smoosh them down (thats what happens anyway) my father used to do that for me when we went to those Allman Bros. concerts when I was knee-high to a grasshopper. *** There you go... Later, J
Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:29:53 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Jordan Message-ID: <v04020a00b2fa2356188e@[195.14.235.85]>
Michael Patrick wrote:
>Xylophone sound? I LOVE IT!!!!!!
Well, then listen to some real xylophone ;-). I'm just now listening to "Interview" by Gentle Giant, and though they didn't use it on *this* album, they had quite a lot xylophone on their earlier work. And saxophone. And trumpets. And every-other-instrument-you-can-imagine. Shit, forget what I wrote, I just noticed that they *did* use xylophone on this album. Heavily! Sigh...
Crazy band. Usually I *hate* xylophones, violins, or trumpets in *rock* and usually I don't listen to renaissance fugues, medieval songs, or any other of the really weird styles these guys incorporated into their music, but ask me about my 70s-prog-rock-favorite and I'd say Gentle Giant.
People always look funny when I say that...
Anyway, maybe this explains why I don't know 311 or Collective Soul. ;-)
BTW, if I remember correctly Gentle Giant lead vocalist Derek Shulman was president of Atco Records when DT got signed. And Jordan Rudess once said he liked Gentle Giant, too, thus closing the circle.
Sorry if this was totally pointless, but I got the flu, too. Must be the season...
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:26:14 -0500 From: Mike Coulam <mcoulam@magma.ca> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: KWS (No DTC) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990224172614.006e00d0@magma.ca>
Hi Jammers ...
In my opinion Kenny Wayne Shepherd is a great guitarist contrary to what'= s been said on the last couple jams. He's no SRV, but who the hell is? Vaughan is one of the greatest blues guitarist of the last twenty or thir= ty or even fifty years. There's no one around that can touch SRV's passion and skill on the guitar. KWS is just a young'un. He's only 21. Do you think Vaughan or B.B. King or Buddy Guy were as good at that age as they were in their prime? Hell no. They weren't! Give the kid a chance to develop before you rip him to shreds.
There's been a marked improvement in his playing. On "Ledbetter Heights,= " he sounds like an SRV clone, but his follow-up CD, "Trouble is ..." is a hell of a lot better. Interesting riffs, technically better, even better songwriting. I have a "Blue on Black" single with a nine and a half minu= te instrumental version of "Voodoo Chile." The kid (god I feel old and I'm only 23) is awesome on this track and is just gonna get better and better.
Mike
"No matter what the trouble, we carry =91round inside, We=92re never safe from the truth, but in the truth we can survive." --- Wall of Denial - Stevie Ray Vaughan
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:35:06 -0500 From: Adam Cook <acook@tiac.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: monster mike welch...young blues players... Message-ID: <36D47E9A.3E1F402F@tiac.net>
Some peon said:
> THEN I found out that he doesn't even improvise his solo's! Sorry, > but when you're playing the blues, you don't script a solo and play it the > exact same way time after time. No grey area on that - you just don't do it. > So I guess Brian's assessment of KWS is right on the money. If you're into > sterile, 'white boy with no soul' blues, then a KWS album is perfect for you > (for those of you in Massachusetts, Monster Mike Welch is JUST like this - a > white boy with no soul). If you'd rather the real thing, then get SRV. >
Not improvising blues is almost as bad as not improvising jazz. In my opinion I think all rock players should learn to improvise as well...but that's another point. KWS and Johnny Lang are both way overrated. Yes they are talented...however they got a lot of press and publicity primarily because of their age. There are tons and tons of 40 year old guys in bar bands who can play just as good as if not better than KWS and Johnny Lang.
I'm from Mass and I'm quite familiar with Mike Welch. In fact, he went to my school and I know him personally (although not too well...he's kind of strange). Mike is definitely extremely talented and he is certainly not souless. Again however, he was a victim because he received so much publicity when he was just a young kid playing with the Blues Brothers. However, Mike is a hard worker and he's now branching out into different styles and he's trying to expand his repetoire. His 15 minutes of fame have certainly passed since he was 14 years old...
In my opinion, Derek Trucks is by far the best of these blues-based guitar prodigies that seem to pop up every other week. He's 19 and his initial claim to fame was the fact that he's related to Butch Trucks of the Allman Brothers. However, Derek has develoepd into a total original player with a great sound. He plays everything from standard steel-guitar slide blues to wild fusion that would make Scott Henderson proud. He has a great tone and combines southern rock with jazz and blues stylings. His latest recording, Out of the Madness, is brilliant. Anybody into great hardblues/jazz should pick it up.
Adam
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:39:45 EST From: Sebast87@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697 Message-ID: <5712eaa.36d47fb1@aol.com>
Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 24/02/99 21:56:53 Paris, Madrid, ytsejam@ax.com= a =E9crit :
> I just heard Eve w/ the samples. Awesome! > Really cool. Eve has always been one of my > favourite "off album songs", so finding this song > (bogie's site is the best!) was cool. However, the > mp3 I have is live, and I would really like to get a > better quality version. Is this song available in better > quality somewhere? Please help. > You can find the real version of Eve on the CD single "The Silent Man". Th= ere is also the demo of TTT on that CD. If you really do not find the song, I can encode it and then send it to yo= u by mail.
I am still looking for the real version of To Live Forever. Anyone knows w= here I could find it? sebast
http://members.aol.com/sebast87/page1.htm
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:45:49 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: 311... Pearl Jam, Nirvana... etc.. Message-ID: <001401be6047$6e0ddf60$8f723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
311's album "Transistor" is my favorite of all of their albums. As for the Pearl Jam/Nirvana thing. Pearl Jam is one of the most non-influential over-hyped self centered bands of the nineties. Ten was great. I loved it and still love it. I laughed when they decided to try to take on the Ticket(bas)master thing. How did they ever think that they would win? Good effort, but lets face it.. they gave up. All of their albums now for one suck, they are deprived of diversity, boring and are all one-hit wonders. Its very sad because they were all about what the whole "plaid" and grundge thing was all about in the beginning. They were the beginning of the end. Very sad to see their state. However, I am not sad about Nirvana.. Rot in HELL! They ruined young kids' vision of what music should be. Instead of trying to play something by Dokken, they tried to (and succeeded very quickly) at playing Nirvana's shit. And shit is what it was. Crappy music and lyrics = crappy music. I am happy to see the music getting better again... bands like: Creed, Matchbox 20, NIN, Days of the new etc... are at least making music good again. (for pop rock) Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:33:17 EST From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: VOTE KORN ON TRL! Message-ID: <267c0e06.36d47e2d@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-02-24 17:31:01 EST, you write:
> MTV is like the AOL of the music > industry. i would resent that, but its true. :} ok, well none of the websites want to work now so any idea where i could get Jason Bieler off-line? thanks!
~Lisa Dragynlmc3@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:01:41 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: stump, schtuff, grammy, tribute, mp kit, pearl jam Message-ID: <aa4463f8.36d484d5@aol.com>
>< One more while I'm at it: 'I can't keep changing just because...you think I should' and '...In the quicksand'. Lots of loud guitar, kinda sounds like the Canadian band that did 'Superman's Dead'. Anyone? ><
Don't know those lyrics, but if it's anyhelp, "Superman..." is by Our Lady Peace.
>< There's one good melody (in his solo in Kindred spirits), and it's a GREAT one, but the rest of his playing on the CD is predominantly wankery. ><
That was the point of LTE. They were gonna be writing songs, it would just be instrumental DT.
>< I was looking at a list of Grammy nominees in this Sundays calendar section of the LA Times and almost puked. All I saw was "Lauryn Hill" this, "Natalie Imbruglia" that... ><
I've never heard the music of Lauryn Hill, so I won't judge her based on the fact that she's "popular," but I've heard Natalie Imbruglia's album, and it is garbage. Music for money's sake. I guarantee this will be the last we ever hear of her annoyance.
>< The question is, WHY? DT has what, 4 full length studio albums? All of the tribute albums I've ever heard of have been dedicated to bands with a much fuller body of work, usually amassed over a longer period of time. DT has no such track record ><
None of that matters. It could be 1990 w/DT's only release being WDADU. If a band inspires and influences you that immensley, why *not* tribute them?
>< I, for one, won't be purchasing any DT tribute at this point. I think the band would be justified in being suspicious of exactly what the Working Man tribute was accused of: a bunch of unknown hacks using a more popular band's music to gain some sort of name for themselves. ><
Again, none of that matters. It's being released on some small-time label, even smaller than Magna Carta. It won't sell much. It won't get any type of push. Empty Tremor and whoever else is on the album knows this. They might get a few new fans out of it. But if their reasoning was to gain fans and money, there are more popular bands that they could tribute and bigger labels to distribute. Tribute and *dis*tribute... why do they have nothing to do with each other?
>< I'd like to ask what kit used Portnoy on LTE recording sessions. I think it wasn't his hige Tama. ><
Well he thanks Tama in it. But aomething interesting to note...on the picture on the back, he has a Zildjian, so maybe he went out and actually bought some drum accessories.
>< And for my money, Pearl Jam is a quality band ><
I, for one, agree. None of their albums strike me as being especially good, but plenty of their songs strike me as being especially good. I don't care for Vedder's vocals, but he makes up for it with emotion. And he writes some great songs. And the drummer and lead guitarist can be real good at times. Songs like Black, Better Man, I Got Id and Yellow Ledbetter are far above average, but they also have some awful, horrible songs, so it kind of evens things out. but they're one of the few bands that I think people mistake for being popular rather than good. a small percentage of bands are both of those. pj is one of them.
Jim
np - Shadow gallery: CiS
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