YTSEJAM Digest 4699
Today's Topics:
1) Re: If you want proof that polls lie...
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
4) TAB REQUEST
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
5) MP3
by "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar>
6) re: piano/vox
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
7) Pearl Jam and Queensryche
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
8) "LIE" CD-SINGLE FOR SALE AT EBAY!!!
by MTeiper@aol.com
9) mp3 short-sightedness
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
10) Re: BLS
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
11) ytsejam blues
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
12) MTV/AOHell
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
13) RE: Kenny Wayne
by "Paul Fanguy" <drumsrus@bellsouth.net>
14) my take on narrow mindedness serious NDTC
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
16) Don't kid yourself
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:16:35 -0600 (CST)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: If you want proof that polls lie...
Message-ID: <1999224175633441@ix.netcom.com>
to sum up KWS and johnny lang, and all the other BB King wannabe's I mearly
quote George Carlin....White people have no business playing the blues...EVER!
Matt
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"A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct
will flush your mind not a trend. Go against
right down the drain." the grain until the end."
-Dream Theater -Metallica
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:20:33 -0300 (GMT+3)
From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697
Message-ID: <199902242320.UAA09056@antonia.webhost.cl>
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>Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:00:23 -0500
>From: "Jonathan" <keu@nais.com>
>To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696
>Message-ID: <007e01be6006$72012320$0201a8c0@uslny2>
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>ARRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
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>Ok thats it' ive had it.
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>What gives any of you the right to judge anyone elses music if you dont like
>it dont listen to it. Ive been on this list on and off for over 5 years
>now. and ya know what Im sick of it. SOMEONE ANYONE TAKE ME OFF THIS FUCKING
>LIST DAMN IT!
Er... you've been on this list on and off for five years, and YOU STILL
DON'T KNOW HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE? Yeah, right.
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:22:51 -0300 (GMT+3) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4696 Message-ID: <199902242322.UAA09103@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:30:30 -0700 (MST) >From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> >Subject: DT Tribute CD >Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990224071633.26080B-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu> > > > >This one smells funny. > >When Arash mantioned it, I almost missed it (passing over the post as yet >another plug for ET, the boy wonder prog band). OK, so it's a real thing. >The question is, WHY? DT has what, 4 full length studio albums? All of >[....]
I say... isn't a bit EARLY (as in 20 years before the right time) to do a DT tribute album?
>[...] >This whole thing smells rotten.
Indeed.
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:26:17 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: TAB REQUEST Message-ID: <001f01be604d$4f0aaac0$31710ed1@matiasfr>
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Hi jammers! I know there are many guitar players in this list and I wonder if someone haves the tabs of the instructionals videos of Kiko Loureiro & George Lynch ,cos i only have the tape. =20 Many ,many thanxx for your time. =20 contact me. Agustin.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:40:38 -0300 From: "Matija" <fmatias@peoples.com.ar> To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MP3 Message-ID: <001a01be604d$4b78aa60$31710ed1@matiasfr>
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Hi jamers!
Where i can find some mp3 of the last xmas cd?
Thanxxx!
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:26:22 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: piano/vox Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990224182622.006bb4e4@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
>>>Just to defend BFF, they're probably done now (Brick killed them, that >>>lowsy balled), but they had more than one popular radio song. But that's >>>another discussion, and I'm probably the only one who likes them. They're >>>the only band I know of with a lead singer/pianist. Sort of a cool hook, >>IMHO.
Well, let's see:
Billy Joel Bruce Hornsby and the Range Savatage (Jon Oliva handles lead vox for about half of Sava's songs)
just off the top of my head. (and Glass Hammer too, but I rave about them enough as it is).
ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter Check out the Glass Hammer website at http://www.glasshammer.com/ "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Pearl Jam and Queensryche Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9902241829000.4716-100000@espy.essc.psu.edu>
For those who dont like PJ, you are missing out (most likely). I will never forget seeing PJ back in 1991 and to this day it is one of my favourite concerts. They are definitely a band to see live.. much much better live than on the albums. They helped to put feeling and emotion back into music without detracting from musicianship. And to me they have a lot of diversity... esp now that they are becoming more mellow wit4h age. Very good stuff fopr the entire range of emotions.
And for queensryche... Was listining to Promised Land today (great album by the way). "Mary Jane" ALWAYS reminds me of a DDavid Bowie song. Anyone else think this?
cheers,
-Ponte
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:31:43 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: "LIE" CD-SINGLE FOR SALE AT EBAY!!! Message-ID: <8f71a110.36d48bdf@aol.com>
Hey Everyone -
Just thought I'd pass along some cool news for any of you Jammers out there still looking for the elusive "To Live Forever", there's a CD Single of "Lie" for sale on eBay.com.... but it's a little high as of now: $50.
The dude's selling it along with TSM single and OIAL. For those that are interested, it's item #70065735. Do a search for Dream Theater and look for the following item description: Dream Theater livetime 2cd set+2 uk cd5's
So, it's kinda hidden based on the item description, and it's kinda expensive, but for those who don't have Lie, and especially for those who need Lie anong with the other 2 releases, the $50 deal isn't too bad. Hope this helps, and good luck on bidding!!
- Matt T.
NP: Overkill "Necroshine"
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:49:18 -0000 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: mp3 short-sightedness Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2701A5BC96@LON01XBCAPGE>
>"Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com <mailto:inferno_one@hotmail.com> > blurted:
>i'd have to disagree.. i think mp3's are the best thing that could >possibly happen to an artist.. if more and more people use electronic >means to obtain music the than the artist will have more control over >profits.. companies like liquid audio, www.liquidaudio.com <http://www.liquidaudio.com> , are >making a TINY profit off of album sales in comparison to the big >names who suck the artist dry.. technically, yes, the artist loses your >2 dollars off of the 15 dollar album you just download if you don't buy >it, but i personally like having CD's so i go buy the CD if i like it. and >if artists realize that the world wide web is a wonderful tool to use to >their advantage and the demise of corporate megapowers that i think >the world will be a much happier place. the internet allows the artist >to control sales and publicity..that's all there is to it..how can that be >a bad thing.
Oh, grow up! I'm sure full-time musicians really appreciate having their livelihoods dependent on whether someone does the decent thing after hearing an MP3... not. If a band was getting no promotion from a label, they could go it alone, like Ani DiFranco does, but for a mainstream band, your nasty corporate megapower is providing a service. As Richie explained, they've got to fund promotion for ten lemons for every hit they get, so they don't 'suck the artist dry' for kicks. They're covering losses and making a profit.
And in case you hadn't noticed, no one is making much money from 'distribution by electronic means' yet. The cash is all still 'over the horizon' unless you're a silicon valley venture fund.
It's NOT always good for the artist to control sales and publicity...artists do the art, and pay others to do the rest. If electronic distribution lowers costs for the consumer, fine. Record labels will have to deal with the challenge to their business model. They'll have to devise ways of getting their artists heard over the zillions of band websites promoting mp3s, or they'll fade. That's as it should be. But cut the 'evil megacorporation' crap, ferchrissake...
Jonathan, the Invisible Hand
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:13:18 -0600 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: BLS Message-ID: <l03130300b2fa420d397f@[128.83.221.62]>
>Sounds just like Black Light Syndrome. *very* hard to get into to.
are you crazy!? BLS is one of my favorite disks, and I was totally into it from the first song. I thought it was much easier to get into than LTE, to be honest. It's not as extreme, and it sounds more mature
Jim Shields Guitar/vocals - Room 213 Undeclared Junior in Liberal Arts and Proud of it!
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:19:08 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ytsejam blues Message-ID: <19990225001908.1116.qmail@hotmail.com>
>>Ive been on this list on and off for over 5 years now. and >>ya know what Im sick of it. SOMEONE ANYONE TAKE ME OFF THIS >>FUCKING LIST DAMN IT! > >You'd think that after five years this moron would have >learned how to unsubscribe by now.
not just that.. you'd think after five years this tithead would have gotten peived over something else besides people talking about music music genre's.. i mean shit, there's definately been some infanately more abusive topics..
inferno
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:22:04 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MTV/AOHell Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498092C3@messaging>
<<< MTV is like the AOL of the music industry. >>>
One of the better comments I've heard about eMpTyV in the recent past (and AOHell, too)... :)
David
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:42:09 -0600 From: "Paul Fanguy" <drumsrus@bellsouth.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Kenny Wayne Message-ID: <000201be6057$acfdfba0$020ed7d1@ytsejam>
I totally agree with this one. the boy can play some notes, but he doesn't have an original bone in his body. I live in his home-town, and I know alot of people who used to play with him. The only reason he is where he is today is because his dad owns a radio station here. My biggest complaint about him is..... if it's called the Kenny Wayne Shepard band, why does he only play guitar? He is also a huge jerk. I wish my daddy owned a radio station!!!
Paul
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:00:53 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: my take on narrow mindedness serious NDTC Message-ID: <36D4A0C5.C8992E32@ucla.edu>
> What gives any of you the right to judge anyone elses music? Let's face it, most of us like stuff other than prog metal, and there are bound to be disagreements about what is good, what is shite, and what artists need to be burned alive for producing that shite. Human beings are by default close minded, and as much as any of us would like to stand on a pedestal and preach about how open we are to different things, its just not so. If you go to the Museum of Tolerance here in SoCal, there are two doors: one labeled "not prejudiced", and labeled "prejudiced".. the first one doesn't open up, to demonstrate that we are all prejudiced. I like what I like, and I hate what I hate, and the same goes for everyone else. In our own minds, we hold our opinions supreme above everyone else's. That's the way it works. Therefore, I reserve the right to decide what "sucks", what "rules", and what I really don't care about, FOR MYSELF. And maybe, just maybe, one of you can change my mind.
~~Amanda a new convert to Tori-ism
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:22:41 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4697 Message-ID: <iss.4027.36d4a5df.aa0c8.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org> Original Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:03:19 -0800 (PST)
> I completely disagree with the Marilyn Manson comparison. Reznor is not > a > singer who has no recourse but to offend; Manson has no musical quality > besides vauge Ziggy Stardust rip-offs and offensive song-titles and > lyrics, > but on the other hand Reznor keeps an extremely low profile. Quoting the > song "Closer" out of context reeks of John Engler and in fact just seems > to > display the prejudice and stereotyping I referenced in my original > post... > Manson and Reznor deserve no analogies -- the two are completely opposite > in > everything but record label.
If they're so "opposite," why did Reznor personally take Manson under his wing back in the day?
> Perhaps if I were to quote "Young Lust" out of context it would have the > same effect as your quotion "Closer." Or maybe "Space-Dye Vest"? > > "Found a new girl, think we can make it, as long as she stays on the > page." > That gives utterly the wrong impression regarding the meaning of the > song
Ummm, try again. You're not even close. "I wanna fuck you like an animal" bears no resemblence to "found a new girl think we can make it" to anyone with a brain.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:23:53 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Don't kid yourself Message-ID: <000701be605d$99b73ba0$f289fea9@z979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com> >Subject: re: full album mp3s
>i'd have to disagree.. i think mp3's are the best thing that could >possibly happen to an artist.. if more and more people use electronic >means to obtain music the than the artist will have more control over >profits..
Let's not kid ourselves here. You're talking apples and oranges. That's not a defense for MP3s instead of buying cds. MP3 is convenient, but it is NOT a good thing for an artist when someone rips an entire album and puts it on his site. The only times I make MP3s are when I know the person who will be getting the MP3, and know they will buy the album when it's readily available, or will discard the MP3 when they find they dislike the artist. What you're talking about does not jive, though. There's a REALLY FUCKING HUGE DIFFERENCE between having control over your profits and having some punk ass kid snake them out from under you. People who want full album MP3s are generally of 2 kind: A) The kind who don't hear the difference between cd and MP3 (which is most people, though everyone on this list thinks they can tell the difference) and will unpack the MP3 and burn it back to a cd, or B). the kind who could care less about having the disc itself, and will be perfectly satisfied to just keep it on their computers (never buying the original). Sure there are exceptions. But people who want the full album should BUY THE FULL ALBUM, with NO exceptions. There is NO justification it. I was so disgusted when some dude responded to this with "I can't afford it... maybe where you get your cds they are cheap but blah blah blah" it's all a bunch of bullshit, and the dude who made that defense CLEARLY illustrates my point, that most of these people are NOT GOING to buy the album. Isaac, if you are, that's nice. But understand that you're the exception and not the rule. I buy a lot of cds, and I am NOT rich. I make less than most people on this list as a student who only works for part of one day a week. I manage to buy all the imports and domestic cds I want. I was one of the first on this list to buy Symphony X, and as a result, I paid the $30 a pop for the Japanese releases. A strong percent of my cds are imports. I pay my money too. I don't know what you guys are doing... but if I can afford cds,.most of you can. Don't bullshit me if you have something you'd rather spend your money on. That's not my problem, and it's not the artist you're screwing over's problem either.
>companies like liquid audio, www.liquidaudio.com , are making >a TINY profit off of album sales in comparison to the big names who suck >the artist dry..
There's a big difference here. The ARTIST DECIDES if he'll work with Liquid Audio. He or she isn't given that option when people dig in and send out full albums on MP3. That's taking money out of the artist's pocket. And when the MP3s are up online, and multiple people start snagging them all, it adds up. When is that $2 a problem? When 10 people have the MP3? When 100 people have the MP3? It's not going to stop, and it's not my crusade. But at least cut the bullshit. I think that some MP3s are useful... but you can't fucking kid yourself about this. It's just TOTALLY not cool. It's not bootlegs... it's shit even Mike Bahr had the decency to speak up about.
>technically, yes, the artist loses your 2 dollars off >of the 15 dollar album you just download if you don't buy it, but i >personally like having CD's so i go buy the CD if i like it. and if >artists realize that the world wide web is a wonderful tool to use to >their advantage and the demise of corporate megapowers that i think the >world will be a much happier place. the internet allows the artist to >control sales and publicity..that's all there is to it..how can that be >a bad thing.
Because you COMPLETELY ignored the very first sentence of your own quote! They LOSE MONEY. They don't GAIN MONEY. A player doesn't put his whole album online, and then expect someone to ORDER it. Most people will not order anything online unless they have an extreme incentive, or can't get it any other way. So I'm asking you, Isaac, what's worse: getting screwed by a record company and only getting a nickel for every dollar, or GETTING JACK SHIT because people rationalize away the fact that they're cutting the artist out of the cycle completely? God forbid YOU ever try to make a living as a musician.
- Chris
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