YTSEJAM Digest 4539
Today's Topics:
1) Re: perfect pitch
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) Pefect Bitch err.... Pitch :)
by Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
3) Run for your lives!
by Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
4) Perfect pitch (again)
by Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
5) New Guitar Shop discussion forum...
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
6) Brethren
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
7) Perfect Pitch
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
8) Royal Hunt news/rumors (NDTC)
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
9) Weather and why im peeved
by AyameYuki@aol.com
10) Re: Royal Hunt news/rumors (NDTC)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Birch Hill Night Club
by "Denis Klein" <dklein@sti.com.br>
12) Lie single
by "Denis Klein" <dklein@sti.com.br>
13) (fwd) (fwd) ADVENTIVE.COM 21-Dec-1998
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:48:22 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: perfect pitch
Message-ID: <002d01be3802$2b252fe0$0201010a@chuck>
>Well, I've seen two. Me, and my friend Doug. Just for fun, we bought
>tapes you see advertised in Guitar World, just to see if they would work,
Which one did you order? I've been pondering getting one... You know the
one with the goofy long-haired guy wielding the guitar... The guy whose
self-satified grin at having perfect pitch only makes you crack up because
he looks more constipated than anything. I swear if he grinned any wider
he'd blow a vein and his face would shatter. That one?
Or is it one of those ones with the Indiana Jones writing that have the
names like "The Adventures of Perfect Pitch-man!" I swear if having perfect
pitch is going to turn me into a goon, I'll leave the boat at the dock. :P
Thanks!
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:01:33 -0500 From: Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Pefect Bitch err.... Pitch :) Message-ID: <369101FD.F9894128@mindspring.com>
Andrew Countermarsh sez... << For all those who threw those insults at me for claiming the note for
"The Mirror" was a C, I apologize. You're right, it is a B. As an explanation, "perfect" pitch (as my teacher calls it, "absolute pitch") is not always perfect. At least not the way that I get the notes. The way I explain it to others is that in my head I have a middle C whenever I need it, and I can reference notes to this pitch in my head to find out what they are through the intervals. >>
What you have is called relative pitch and it is quite common. Perfect pitch is a different type of perception where you can tell all the notes, not just one that you use as a reference for everything else. People that have perfect pitch, which is rather rare, listen to a car horn and tell what note it is. They listen to an alarm going off and they can tell what note it is, without needing to find C for reference. Some people reference this as seeing the different colors that are behind each note, but since I do not have perfect pitch I would not know exactly how that works. I have relative pitch and never made much of a fuss about it because I know a lot of people who do, there is only one person I know personally that has perfect pitch, and he is a rather disturbing bugger :)
Whoever said this: << HEY EVERBODY. IM the person who said Puppies on Acid was a C chord.and yes i was right. and to who started this bet ( i know who you are ) I WAS RIGHT AND YOU WERE WRONG. so stick your head back into your butt and move on. and keep > your power trip to yourself. >>
Not even I have yet managed to make such an ass of myself :) yet! :))))
Let the light surround you.
^Christian just tuned one of his 7-strings to dropped A.... can you say RULE?
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:10:06 -0500 From: Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Run for your lives! Message-ID: <369103FE.7F87BCE4@mindspring.com>
Cyberduke asked: << Extend it: Does extreme HOT weather affects? Few days ago I entered into friend's house from the outside -20 degrees temperature and took out CD to play it to him! 'Cause of the temerature change the disc was foggy (logically) and it needed to get dry few seconds! But what if I put it immediately? >>
Do not attempt this! If you put a wet or foggy CD in the CD player, the water will cause reflection and the laser beams will shoot out of the CD player and you might get seriously hurt!
^Christian is bored, can you tell?
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:22:57 -0500 From: Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Perfect pitch (again) Message-ID: <36910701.2D6642CA@mindspring.com>
AyameYuki said: << * (snip)* ... the song seems to change your mood, and you get angry and ask " WHY wont the fucking CD play right! it
sounded lower before! what's up with this CD? "
now tell me..anyone had this experience relatively ? >>
It could happen with tapes and even with vinyl, but in theory that could not happen to CDs. Since the information is stored in a CD digitally and it is not reproduced through analog mechanisms but by restoring digital information into sound waves, these sound waves always will come out in the correct pitch, no matter the temperature or air pressure or humidity conditions at any given moment.
Please someone correct me if I am wrong.
^Christian is cooking real soup, not that Campbell crap Korg likes to eat. :)
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:04:05 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>, Subject: New Guitar Shop discussion forum... Message-ID: <369110A5.BA8475B0@ivorygate.com>
Hey, with all the great guitar talk (well, I guess if you consider it off-topic then not-so great), I thought it would be cool to setup a "Guitar Shop" forum on my bulletin board (so I skipped work today and did it just for grins). So go ahead and check it out, anything remotely guitar orientated goes (and we won't piss off the list admin by endlessly debating things like key of The Mirror, who sells that great 8 string guitar, etc...) http://www.ivorygate.com -Click on the bulletin board banner
-- ~Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Come join the discussions in the new online Bulletin Board! <<<
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:44:18 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Brethren Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990104142157.391A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Amigos, Amiguettes:
Can't we just fucking get along? Not only hadn't I received anything from the jam on New Year's but I get 5 today. That irks me a little, but that's not your fault. Come now, isn't the whole "perfect" pitch thing answered now--the existant opinions have been postulated, choose your own truth. I refuse to state my own observations on pitch since it would serve no useful purpose.
I had a New Year's Eve gig with 8 other people I had never met/played with before and the guy who called the tunes would sometimes call out the wrong key. It's a good thing I can fake it.
I'm very upset that I couldn't get to any DT holiday shows (want an excuse, I've got a million of them), and I don't want to see you greedy people who were able to go complaining. Damn, if I didn't find you guys amusing, I'd kick all your butts. :) I would never have figured AnalogGal for a New Yorker until her last message confirmed it. There's my rambling thought of the day.
P
NP Radakka: Requiem for the Innocent Anubian Lights: Let Not the Flame Die Out (Almost relevant while reading the digests) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:
War Child/ Victim of political pride/ Plant the seed/ Territorial greed/ Mind the War Child/ We should mind the War Child
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 11:54:16 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Perfect Pitch Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990104115416.006b1d78@pop.cfmc.com>
I've mostly been lurking over the last year or so, but I did want to throw this in:
I, too, have perfect pitch....sorta, anyhow. I certainly wasn't born with it, but I've heard so many pitches over a protracted period of time that I became able to identify them pretty easily. It was mentioned that most guitarists have a "perfect E," which is, more or less, true. If you play in an orchestra, you'll hear a "perfect A" after a while, a "perfect Bb" if you play a wind instrument. For me, it's just an issue of hanging names on the sounds I hear (I don't hear "colors" or anything along those lines). But I've usually got a middle man in there somewhere. If someone says "Okay, sing a B," I'll think of the first note in "Comfortably Numb" or "Fade to Black" or something along those lines. And I've got similar tools for other notes.
Additionally, I've heard "absolute pitch" used as a synonym for "perfect pitch," but I've also heard it used to be able to describe the pitches of non-musical sonics. What note batteries buzz at and streams flow at and such.
Back to business.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:42:36 -0500 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Royal Hunt news/rumors (NDTC) Message-ID: <369127BC.B1F2B471@trw.com>
from some canadian radio newletter:
Reports out of Japan suggest that ROYAL HUNT singer D.C. Cooper has been sacked by keyboardist/ringleader Andre Anderssen. This comes on the heels of Cooper releasing his first soloalbum mere months after Anderssen did the same. This report contradictsearlier news that Royal Hunt was back in the studio recording a new album...
NP:Powermad 1998 sampler -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:24:38 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Weather and why im peeved Message-ID: <603cef55.36913196@aol.com>
i just got good news. im on the last 12 pieces in an 8 level program in guitar at my school. today...i tried to tune the guitar ( a 6 string ) and hte notes were way off. i tuned pretty high ( d,a,d,g,b,e ( the tuning for the song im working on ) )...and i struck one note and wham. the E string snapped in two. so i spent the next hour in my class changing 3 strings ( since the g and b strings had to follow through. something's going on here ). anyone had this problem with cold weather ruining one week old strings ? and any tips tp keep the string from breaking at the expected time ? ( around 2-4 months )
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:50:07 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Royal Hunt news/rumors (NDTC) Message-ID: <004601be382c$b5ea4be0$0201010a@chuck>
>ROYAL HUNT singer D.C. Cooper has been sacked by keyboardist/ringleader
*laughs* And KorgX3 is sponsored by the Norwegian Armless Olympic Gymnasic Team. It's amazing what them girls can do with just their toes. *wink*.
Sarcastic? No. No, I am. -- KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:00:29 -0200 From: "Denis Klein" <dklein@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Birch Hill Night Club Message-ID: <006401be382e$2c726c60$2dfee6c8@ennio>
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Hi Rob!
I'd just like to say that I feel pretty pissed about what you said. I = would DIE to see an acoustic (or almost) show with DT (I live in = Brazil... that means that I'll never see these kind of things)
Let me ask you something: this concert at Birch Hill Night Club is the = acoustic one that appears in 5YIALT?
Klein
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:48:10 -0200 From: "Denis Klein" <dklein@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Lie single Message-ID: <006301be382e$285baba0$2dfee6c8@ennio>
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Hi guys!
I'd like to ask you guys from US something: is it still possible to find = the single Lie in the stores? Here in my country we don't have singles = market so if I want one I have to import it. But I couldn't find a store = able to bring me "Lie": I can only buy "Hollow Years" and "Silent Man" = (wich I already have).
Klein
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:04:21 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: (fwd) (fwd) ADVENTIVE.COM 21-Dec-1998 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990104170421.007e74f0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Tell me what you all think of this. maybe this is the way to get prog some real exposure. DT should consider mp3 from now on. >>Editor's note: >> >>In previous issues of Adventive.com we have discussed how the >>Internet is turning things upside down -- consumers are now in >>charge. The following article by Jason Calacanis provides further >>support to this thesis. The article first appeared in Silicon Alley >>Reporter, an e-mail publication that I highly recommend for those >>interested in Internet business. >> >>John Audette >> >> >>==> The Radiohead Effect >> >> Jason McCabe Calacanis >> Editor, Silicon Alley Reporter >> >>In the past month, the debate over the MP3 file format boiled over, >>changing the music industry forever. The revolutionary rap group >>Public Enemy got into a heated battle with PolyGram records when >>Chuck D, the group's outspoken leader, decided to release their >>next album in its entirety on the band's website >>www.public-enemy.com. But PolyGram fought back, and Public Enemy >>was forced to pull the tracks from the site. >> >>During my brunch with GeoCities founder Dave Bohnett in L.A. a few >>weeks ago, Bohnett showed me his portable, $200 MP3 player from >>Diamond MultiMedia. The device weighs 2.4 ounces, has no moving >>parts, holds an hour's worth of music, doesn't skip, and runs on >>one AA battery for 12 hours. It hooks up to your PC via a parallel >>port. Bohnett is really excited about the technology and is >>thinking about all kinds of interesting ways of incorporating it >>into his community website. When I got back to New York, he sent me >>one of his extra Rios to use until my back-ordered ones arrive. >> >>For the past week, I've been running around town with my MP3 >>player. This is the device I've been waiting for. I can go running >>with it because it doesn't skip. It sounds like a CD, and it only >>requires one AA battery. Plus, I can drag and drop songs from my >>desktop onto my Rio player and load it up with new songs every day. >> >>In the interest of investigative journalism, I've been surfing the >>Web to see how many MP3 files I can find. I've been able to >>download about 400 tracks that are taking up 1.5 megs of my >>eight-gigabyte hard drive. I paid for none of them. Those tracks >>are probably worth $1,000, especially considering I'm downloading >>the best tracks instead of whole albums. >> >>What MP3 has done for me more than anything is spark my interest in >>music again. Why? First, because I can sample songs from my desktop >>24 hours a day. If I don't like the songs, I delete them. If I like >>them, I research the artist further. I call this the Radiohead >>effect because since finding a bunch of Radiohead tracks on the >>Net, I've become a huge fan of their music. I've been talkinup to all >>of my friends. Nothing would please me more than >>e-mailing a few of their songs to Dave Bohnett and saying, "Hey, >>check this band out! Let me know if you like them." However, right >>now that would be illegal. I would also love to burn a CD for my >>brother on our $300 CD burner that we use for the magazine. The >>blank disks are only $1.50. Of course, I would never do that. ;-) >> >>So, what does this mean for Radiohead? What if I didn't pay for >>their album, but sent it to 10 of my friends? Do you think they >>would prefer 10 new fans or the $2 from me buying their CD? I can >>tell you this, the next time Radiohead is in New York, I plan on >>buying tickets to their show, and I would definitely buy a >>Radiohead T-shirt. If they were on HBO, I would tune in. >> >>Would I pay for Radiohead's next album? Not unless I could get it >>for less than $5. I am the music industry's worst nightmare. And >>I'm not the only one. The millions of kids on AOL right now who >>live and breathe the Net are starting to think music isupposed to >>be free. >> >>This week, music industry executives and the Recording Industry >>Association of America (RIAA) announced the creation of the Secure >>Digital Music Initiative (SDMI), a "framework to work with the >>technology community to create a voluntary digital music security >>specification by next fall." NEXT FALL?!?!? Hello? This should have >>happened two years ago! Sorry major record labels-it's too little, >>too late. The genie is out of the bottle. Your own artists are sick >>of you, and many of the Net-savvy ones like Public Enemy see MP3 as >>the road to emancipation. >> >>Everyone is talking about the various technologies like Liquid >>Audio that provide secure transmission of music over the Net. These >>things have been around for a long time, but they will only work if >>the music industry changes its pricing model. >> >>Can piracy be stopped on the Net? Not a chance. Piracy on the Web >>is a never-ending battle, just ask Paramount's legal department >>about StarTrek sites. I think the music industry will be able to do >>a good job of stopping MP3 websites. But there is no way it will be >>able to stop millions of people from doing point-to-point copies. >>While e-mailing images and text is popular already, MP3 files are >>all the rage now. >> >>I'm thrilled that technology is going to decimate the music >>industry. These guys have been selling $15 to $17 CDs for 10 years >>when it costs only $1 to produce them. With the reduction in >>packaging and the factories paid for 100 times over, the industry >>should hanow that I will never again pay $15 for an album. I'm not >>saying >>I'm going to steal music, but the music industry has painted >>consumers into a corner by limiting choice and keeping prices >>artificially high. Unless the price of CDs drops to less than $10 >>apiece, the industry is going to crash and burn big time. The music >>industry, because of its greed, has lost me as a revenue source >>forever. But the artists have found a brand new fan. >> >>Instead of buying a 200-disc CD player for my loft, I'm going to >>turn all my CDs into MP3 files and leave them on a PC stereo. Why? >>Because setting up a traditional stereo costs as much as buying a >>sub-$1,000 PC with a 10-gig hard drive. I'll be able to create my >>own play lists so I can have a Frank Sinatra section, a Bob Dylan >>section, a pop section, and a classical section. After I load all >>of those songs into my machine, I can give the old CDs away. Would >>that be illegal? Do you think most consumers will care if it is? I >>could even borrow a bunch of disks from my friends at the office, >>load them into my PC, and give them back the next day. Of course, >>that would be illegal, too. >> >>I'm not the only one with grand MP3 visions--meet Ryan Veety of >>Middletown, New York (www.ryanspc.com/carmp3/). Ryan is building, >>for around $750 in parts, a Lynx-based M player for his car that >>will hold 2.5 gigs of music. At five megs a song, that's around 500 >>songs. There is no reason he couldn't spend another $150 for a >>10-gig drive and house 2,000 songs. >> >>Looking at my Diamond Rio player, Palm III and Sony cell phone, I >>can't help but imagine a world where all three are merged. There is >>no reason why a Palm Pilot can't play and store MP3 files. I would >>be very surprised if the next version didn't come with MP3 support >>and a headphone jack. >> >>During my travels on the Net, I was able to download a bunch of >>Beastie Boys tracks. Not only was someone giving these tracks away >>for free, but they had remixed them. If the music industry is not >>ready for users to download music, how does it feel about them >>changing their intellectual property and republishing it? >> >>In five years, many established artists will have little or no need >>for a record label. That is what the technology revolution does, it >>takes out the middleman. Will the record labels exist in 10 years? >>Sure, but they are going to have to do a lot of soul searching to >>figure out what their value is in a world where they don't own, and >>can't control, the distribution. >> >>Artists hate their record labels, record labels are scared, and >>consumers have a cheaper and better option. Sounds like a >>revolution to me. >> >>Now if only Michael Jordan and David Falk would start their own >>basketball league. >> >>Jason McCabe Calacanis >>editor@siliconalleyreporter.com >> >>To subscribe to the Silicon Alley Reporter mailing list >>visit: www.siliconalleyreporter.com >John W. Hess, computer instructor and consultant > >De Witt & Associates > >700 Godwin Avenue >Suite 220 >Midland Park, NJ 07432-1460 > >Phone: 201-447-6500 Ext. 18 >Fax: 201-447-1187 >E-mail: johnhess@webspan.net >
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