YTSEJAM Digest 4545
Today's Topics:
1) The Maiden rumors NDTC
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
2) Once in a Livetime claims yet another victim
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
3) Re: NP: Osmosis [LONG, NDTC, USELESS, PAGE DOWN, DELETE] :)
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
4) re: DT's Live Sound
by Jim <roadie@inct.net>
5) problems with DT homepage?
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
6) Majesty Symbol
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
7) "GALLOP Poll"
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
8) Star Wars on 'Voices'
by Keith Lambert <lambertk@felixstowe.rms.slb.com>
9) A Tale of War...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) critical age, genetics
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
11) Perfect pich - the thread from hell
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
12) OAN Records Web Site
by MTeiper@aol.com
13) Re : Bein' a righty
by AyameYuki@aol.com
14) Re: NP: Osmosis
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
15) Re: critical age, genetics
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:01:24 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Maiden rumors NDTC
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990106190124.0122acd8@earthlink.net>
Alright. As far as Blaze being booted from the band, I really find
that hard to believe. I remember reading somewhere that Steve Harris was
really happy with where they are as a band right now, with Blaze, and he
thinks it's one of the high points of their career. The band is sticking to
their resolve to keep Blaze even though a lot of the fans hate him (I
personally think Blaze is alright, he's no Bruce, but then he has a
different vocal style). Anyway, as far as Bruce goes, I also read that Bruce
wants back in. He said he would love to do another tour with them, or
possibly another album, but that he and Steve need to patch things up first.
Now for some real conjecture. It would be nice if Bruce DID join back up, if
Adrian would come with him. If Steve felt like they were giving Janick a raw
deal, maybe they could keep him and have three guitarists! Nah, I'll keep
dreaming.
*back to my little lurker cave corner of the Jam*
BrAd PlUmB
Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in
Houston and you like anime check us out!
NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but
they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:11:49 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Once in a Livetime claims yet another victim
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990106191149.006acd68@earthlink.net>
Ok folks, I will admit, my initial reaction to OIALT was not a pleasant one.
I thought the sound mixing sucked, I thought they all sounded terrible
(James especially), and that they were ruining two of my favorite songs (Met
p1 and LTL). Well after a second full listen to the cd's at a friend's
house, my opinions did a complete 180. I think in the case of James it's
like Adam said. THe more live DT you hear ( for instance the
liveconcerts.com show and various tracks off boots I've heard on Ytseradio)
the more of a feel you get for James' voice and how well he's performing. On
the second listen I realized that he didn't sound all that bad, and once we
got the cd on a better stereo, I thought the mixing sounded really good
too, as well as the performance of the other band members. I was able to now
pick up on the energy (and humor) of the performance, and it was a great
listening experience. I also think I'm gaining more of a taste for FII after
hearing all the tracks live. Perhaps ( and maybe the fact that they recorded
it live, as a band, and not individually had something to do with it) FII is
an album meant to be heard live. *shrug* ah well, chalk up another victim
here. I'll buy the cd as soon as I have the money.
BrAd PlUmB
Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in
Houston and you like anime check us out!
NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but
they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:06:12 -0500 (EST)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: NP: Osmosis [LONG, NDTC, USELESS, PAGE DOWN, DELETE] :)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990106145611.23547A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> Well, I'll claim that, cause I'm a cocky asshole. Hmm, bad combination of terms.
> Anyhoo, every animal, including humans, is born with some sort of instinct.
> Think of it like a computer: instinct is the ROM chip. Then all the conditioning
> and teaching and experience is stored on the hard drive. There are some things
> that an infant will do without learning, such as sucking a tit.
now now. that's reflex. stick anything into its mouth and it'll suck on
it. same with the finger grabbing thing - people always put their finger
in a newborn's hand and when it grips it they're all "oh, he loves me!"
it's like, no, that's a reflex. put a pencil in his hand and he'll grab
that too. as to whether or not humans are born with instinct, that's an
actively debated topic. i personally don't think so, although i haven't
exactly exhausted days of laborious pondering on the issue. but for
example, if you put a 9 month old baby in the wild, when he gets hungry,
is he gonna look for food? no, he's gonna cry hoping his mommy will come
by and pop out a, well, you know. (hmm, i wonder if that would work...)
and if there's no mommies in the immediate area, he'll probably starve to
death. i say 9-month old because i'm guessing that's when they can crawl -
i'm not sure, but lets just say a baby capable of automobility. sure, it's
wildly off-topic, but hey, i'm a conformist. moo.
--"In the desert, look for water. On the ocean, look for land." -- Savatage
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 15:09:30 -0500 From: Jim <roadie@inct.net> To: Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: DT's Live Sound Message-ID: <3693C2FA.2D6083D8@inct.net>
Well, since nobody had come forth to tackle this one, I decided to delurk and give it a shot.
First a little background on me. I am a former full time sound engineer who worked with a local Indy audio company providing sound and lighting equipment for shows ranging from 2500 seat halls, all the way down to 1 microphone 2 speaker set-ups for sales presentations.
There are several factors which could causethe discrepancy in sound at the same venue. More than likely the sound engineer was the same at both gigs, so if a tone deaf sound man wasn't a factor, I would say the PA was probably different.
Most bands that are playing small gigs utilize either house PA's or local sound support rather than taking the same sound company for every gig.
Even an excellant sound man can't "polish a turd", so if the PA sucked, there is only so much he couldv'e done.
Jim AKA Roadie
NP: Saviour Machine
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 15:26:46 -0500 From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: problems with DT homepage? Message-ID: <3693C706.46ACEBE2@trw.com>
A weird thing is occurring when I access the DT homepage www.dreamtheater.net. Today, I went there, hit the news link in the left frame. After that I couldn't click any links (href="..."). If I moved my mouse over a link, the destination href never appeared at the bottom. I am running Netscape 4.07 on a pentium. So then I thought, maybe Netscape just went crazy so I killed Netscape and started it again. Still I couldn't hit any links, just bookmarks work. So I thought maybe I have too many apps opened so I rebooted. I started up netscape and links work again. I go to the dt page and hit the news link on the left and presto, links dont work anymore. So I rebooted again and shall avoid the dt page for awhile....
NP:Explorer's Club-AOI -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: Pat.Daugherty@trw.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:42:58 +0100 From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Majesty Symbol Message-ID: <199901062044.VAA20957@online.no>
Could somebody please point me to a webpage that has the Majesty symbol? NOTHING FANCY! I need a simple black'n White symbol. No 3D stuff. Maybe someone could mail a picture to me?
Thanx. PS. I have already been at UACM, and I couldn't find anything I could use...
Jonas Opsal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Dream Theater page: http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:46:18 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: "GALLOP Poll" Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980916F@messaging>
Uh, we just took a, uh, 'Gallop' Poll... hehheeehhehehehe
>> I was just reading the results of the 98 poll again, and I worked out >> that I own 24 of the 86 albums that were voted for. How does >> everybody else do - anybody beat this? Do I win a prize? >> >> stay safe and happy listening >> Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) >> Currently playing: Loreena McKennitt: To Drive The Cold Winter >> Away
>I nearly missed at exactly 20! ): :)
>np: Portishead- Pnyc
DAMN! I came in a dismal third at 17.
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:59:37 +0000 From: Keith Lambert <lambertk@felixstowe.rms.slb.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Star Wars on 'Voices' Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990106205935.006d576c@felixstowe.rms.slb.com>
Guys,
I'm probably just slow as the more astute amongst you will have nailed this already but have you heard the 'Star Wars' variation on a theme by JP at the intro to 'Voices' on OIALT???
Cool or what!!!!
Keith.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:26:12 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A Tale of War... Message-ID: <199901062126.NAA01686@gms.gmsnet.com>
"The sport is war.... total war... when victory's really massacre..."
On a balmy New Years Eve, 1998/1999... gladiators decked out in their metal regalia converged upon the arena known as Bank One Ballpark in Phoenix, AZ... It was to be war... a war with no rules and very lenient security pat downs... :)
So after we met up with Nate to pickup our VIP passes to hell... we went to the local bar and got lubed and had some munchies... to ensure our energy levels during the melee...
So due to the strange time differences because of daylight savings between Cali and AZ, we missed Soulfly... oh wells... I would've like to see em... but we got there just in time for the toxic waltz in tune to Slayer... The war was good... I donned my Dead Skin Mask and proceeded to join in the carnage which reached a feaver pitch when some veterans decided to start a bonfire. Soon security was attempting to quell that situation which was futile since another bonfire was starting up just along the way... The atmosphere was becoming frenzied...
Then came Megadeth, it seemed like it was a time for a breather... Jimmy DeGrasso is a double bass monster... they put on an entertaining set... and as they neared the end of their set... you could feel the tension begin to mount... it was time for the final reckoning... a time when little girls stepped outside into the DMZ so as not to catch the shrapnel of flying feet of crowd surfers and the manic flayings of the dying...
Set change: (a time to reflect upon your past life... a time to reflect upon your past deeds, a time to look deep inside, and find the strength to enter the final battle... )
There it was, like an explosion of violence... the magnitude of sound so powerful you'd have to go see them to believe it... the crowd was reaching the Chaos Factor... people were dropping faster than flies sprayed with DDT... blood was fast becoming the drink of choice... Pantera hit the stage like a hurricane decimating some east coast state... Dimebag's monstrous crunch wailed through the open air only to bounch of the protesting steel girders and reverbrate back towards the frenzied crowd... If it wasn't for the 6 feet of barrier space and a whole ton of stage security, those barb wired fences in front of Dimebag's and Rex's stacks would've been a mere inconvenience to the pot, adrenaline, blood, <insert bodily fluid>, induced crowd... Vinnie's monstrous-quarter-enhanced double bass sound pounded through the night like some ancient tribal drum calling out to the most primal nature of man... Phil sounded really powerful after taking a 6month break... Me and my buddy Joe were in constant tag team action to remain standing, knocking down people as they got in the way, cept for the 300lb shaved head mutant who laughed us both off when we tried to engage him in pit ritual... Nevertheless, we made it to about the 2nd or 1st person being pancaked in front of the stage barricade, where we could see Dimebag's sweat drip onto the stage and Phil's pot tainted spit coming at us... Using My Third Arm, Mouth for War, Fucking Hostile (with Scott Ian and Kerry King)... and This Love... were just some of the war anthems being ceremoniously ingrained into our heads at a frightening decibel...
During the set change... we met up with good ole Eckster and exchanged our war journals for the record... and went and had a helping of some liquids...
Did Black Sabbath play this show too?
:)
MAY YOU EAT PUSSY TILL YOUR JAWS FALL OFF - Phil Anselmo - New Years Evil 1999
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:33:37 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: critical age, genetics Message-ID: <19990106213337.16745.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com>
OK, I gotta add to this thread! This happens to be my favorite area of study. (I knew that "Artificial Intelligence" class would come in handy...)
Someone correctly wrote: > >In linguistics, this is known as the Critical Age theory, and is pretty much > >completely accepted. The critical age is usually said to be seven years old, > >after which time learning the structure of a language becomes a task of rote > >memorization rather than osmosis/trial and error. >
and Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> theorized:
> seeing as how Osmosis was conceived, written, composed and performed by > guys much older than the Critical Age, I guess we can toss that theory > back in the textbooks where it belongs, eh?
Well, actually there's a couple of critical ages, but the one about language that was mentioned earlier is correct. There's another critical age (on average maybe 20?) where "innovation" ability begins to fade away.
The interesting question you ask here is "what about old guys who do great music"? Let's say that I'm very creative, and I come up with all kinds of ideas in my head between the ages of 2 and 20. I can spend the rest of my life putting out and rearranging those original ideas. There is no time limit (until my mind is gone). But I will not be innovating something "extremely new and evolutionary". I'm pretty set in my ways by 20.
Let's assume that rap music was a major innovation. It's no suprise that Little Richard, The Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin didn't come up with "rap". They were set in their ways, even though they were very innovative in their own time.
Interconnections between neurons are very adaptable BEFORE those early critical ages, but tend to stop rearranging themselves later on. Thus you lose that "innovative" ability.
All of the great thinkers and artists came up with their ideas at a young age, and spent the rest of their lives working with and refining those early, original ideas.
>> In a previous post, I saw mention of something like "we are born without >> instinct".
Then, the other Brian H. admitted:
> Well, I'll claim that, cause I'm a cocky asshole. Hmm, bad combination of terms. > Anyhoo, every animal, including humans, is born with some sort of instinct.
Hehe! I'm glad you retracted the original "no instinct" claim. It did crack me up. "Help! No one taught me to breath!". ;o)
We can say that humans have the most adaptable brain of any animal on the planet. But you'd be amazed how much of what you are, and how you think and react are actually genetic (or instinctual). Much more than most people would like to admit. My take is that we're mostly instinctual, with this large brain filter of reasoning and extra memory that most animals don't have. We're just a big upgrade from the other animal processors!
(i.e. every animal comes with a standard brain stem, it just depends upon how much memory and processing power you want to add on top of that.)
my $.02, BH
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 22:28:32 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Perfect pich - the thread from hell Message-ID: <3693D580.C233816E@mol.com.mk>
Some say it's natural, some say it can be learned! I believe more in the first! I'm not much of an expert, but I do consider that I have some of the sense. Once friend tested me! He played notes on guitar and asking me which are they! I didn't answer immediately, I was asking him to play it again, then processing the audio info in my brain 'n stuff and gave the answers! What happened was: I had correct answers BUT with the difference all of them being one note higher!!!! Like, he played C and I say C# 'n stuff! And then the miracle happened: We noticed HIS GUITAR was tuned one higher, which means I was giving the correct answers! :)
Nothing much to add to all the philosophies, but have a cool story for you.
A friend of mine told me that he has a friend (girl), who, when once the phone rang she said "That's high B3!" Meaning B higher for 3 octaves than the normal one! Now, you can't learn that! ;) Weird folks! --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:04:31 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: OAN Records Web Site Message-ID: <5cd08b24.3693ddef@aol.com>
Hey folx -
The web site for OAN (at least the last time I checked) is:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/9326/oan.htm
Hope this helps...
- Matt T.
NP: Queensryche "Promised Land"
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:22:42 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re : Bein' a righty Message-ID: <e414f5ec.3693e232@aol.com>
hey matt. i told you before several times...you CAN restring the guitar and learn to play with your left hand strumming and your right hand doing the fingerings. most instruments are built for right handed people ( same way as violins, cellos, basses, and violas ). they considered it 'awkward' for a lefty to play with his or her natural hand. but youve been at the right hand thing for 5 years right? just learn how to use your right hand more ( learn to write with both hands and you'll be fine )
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:31:08 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: NP: Osmosis Message-ID: <3693e42b53be001@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <Pine.SOL.3.96.990106145611.23547A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> > Think of it like a computer: instinct is the ROM chip. Then all the > > conditioning > > and teaching and experience is stored on the hard drive. There are some > > things > > that an infant will do without learning, such as sucking a tit. > > now now. that's reflex. stick anything into its mouth and it'll suck on > it. same with the finger grabbing thing - people always put their finger > in a newborn's hand and when it grips it they're all "oh, he loves me!" > it's like, no, that's a reflex. put a pencil in his hand and he'll grab > that too.
Ah, but why do you think it puts it in its mouth? Because it could be food. They have the instinct to eat, but don't know yet what is food and what isn't.
> as to whether or not humans are born with instinct, that's an > actively debated topic.
Really? I haven't heard any debate about that. It's not possible that we don't have instinct. As someone put it, there is no "tabula rossa." Here's another one: babies instinctually cry when they need something. They are not taught to cry, and it's not a simple physical cause and effect, like the jerking of your leg when the doctor taps your kneecap.
> example, if you put a 9 month old baby in the wild, when he gets hungry, > is he gonna look for food? no, he's gonna cry hoping his mommy will come > by and pop out a, well, you know. (hmm, i wonder if that would work...) > and if there's no mommies in the immediate area, he'll probably starve to > death.
So will any other animal at that early stage of development. Remember that human babies develop much more slowly than almost any other species (and tend to live much longer). To be intellectually honest, we want to compare a nine month old baby not to a nine month old, say, dingo, but a dingo which is about a week old. Take the support away from a week old dingo and it too will die. So would you say that it has no instinct? It has an instinct to find its mother's teat, just like that nine month old baby, and like the baby, it will die without that teat because it is physically unable to pursue alternate means of sustenance, such as hunting.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:32:06 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: critical age, genetics Message-ID: <3693e4663f48002@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <19990106213337.16745.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> Someone correctly wrote:
Ahem, that was me. :)
> Then, the other Brian H. admitted: > > > Well, I'll claim that, cause I'm a cocky asshole. Hmm, bad > combination of terms. > > Anyhoo, every animal, including humans, is born with some sort of > instinct. > > Hehe! I'm glad you retracted the original "no instinct" claim. It did > crack me up. "Help! No one taught me to breath!". ;o)
Ahem, I didn't make the "no instinct claim." :)
-Brian
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