YTSEJAM Digest 4546
Today's Topics:
1) Toad's Place Show
by Alexander Coassin <alex@nemaweb.com>
2) Re: David Arkenstone
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Re: A Tale of War...
by AnalogGal@aol.com
4) Under The Sun - 1997 Demos + Bonus Live Tracks
by "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE>
5) Re: critical age, genetics
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
6) Re: critical age, genetics
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
7) Re: Angra, David Arkenstone
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
8) Cool new band
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
9) Who's Recording/Producing the New LTE??
by MTeiper@aol.com
10) Re: Bein a Righty
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
11) heaven's gate?
by Dona Kim <dmkim@fas.harvard.edu>
12) those two German composers who wrote music with 12th notes
by "Duran/Pulgar" <ldbp@rivernet.com.au>
13) Deep Purple
by "Mc-Merc" <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
14) Re: Re : Bein' a righty
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:34:40 -0500
From: Alexander Coassin <alex@nemaweb.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Toad's Place Show
Message-ID: <3693E4FF.CD90AF76@nemaweb.com>
I've been a "lurking" ystejammer for the past 4 years and I've never posted anything
to the list, but, my experience at the Toad's Place show forces me now to break my
silence.
First off... loved the show... incredible performance by all... what other band would
treat their fans to a gig like this.... I can't say enough about the band, setlist, et
cetera...
My problem lies in some of the fans - especially some of the die-hard ones. I have
been a fan of DT since the beginning and consider myself as big of a fan as any other,
but I was so dismayed at some of the conversations I heard while waiting for the band
to go on.
I may be the only one who thinks this but I must say that some of the jammers are
self-rightous snobs (and I hate to criticize any fan of DT). All I heard all night
were the self-appointed DT gurus being condescending to everyone around them. I
remember when the ystejammer thing started... it was dedicated fans of the band
uniting throught the internet enjoying all of what dt has to offer and sharing it with
others with hopes to make dt as successful as they should be... but now it's one guy
berating the other for not knowing the set list from the night before from a town 5
hours away or for not being aware of all the b-sides dt has out, ("You mean you don't
know the words to "To Live Forever", your not a true fan, you shouldn't even be
here...yada yada yada..."). Yes!!! I actually heard conversations like that.
Then, when the band goes on, these so-called "die-hard fans" are screaming (not
singing) the songs in keys I wasn't aware existed. I understanding singing along with
the chorus of a song when JLB prompts the audience to do so.... and yes I understand
the general excitement and enthusiasm one gets from seeing DT, but why don't these
people want to "listen" to the show.... instead they scamble to get as close to the
stage as possible, screaming each word to every song, especially the rare DT songs in
hopes that MP or JLB will recognize and acknowlege them, and in doing so ruining the
experience for others. One kid next to me was so annoying he would shout out the
name of every song right when it started, especially when it was an unusual intro to a
familiar song (i.e. lifting shadows), thereby ruining everyone elses excitement as an
unfamiliar intro morphs into a well-known tune. To me, thats part of the unique
experience we get as DT fans, new arrangements, rare songs, etc. I truly believe that
DT does this for there fans to enjoy, why then, do these "die-hard" fans have to ruin
it for everyone else.
While I am ranting, I want to extend my criticism to the digest. For the most part,
everyone seems really cool, but where do some of these other immature fans come
from? It seems like some of these immature "die-hard" fans want to keep the DT
experience all to themselves, belittling anyone who hasn't read the FAQ in 3 months.
It is my opinion that DT prospers from new people joining the list and the fan-base
increasing rather than no growth at all.
My plea to everyone is this: I love the concept of "die-hard" fans... I think we
have developed a great relationship with the band.... I do, however, request that
people try to remember to be considerate to fellow DT fans... at least pretend like
they they have some semblance of maturity, and to help new fans of DT become better
acquainted with the band. Snobbishness doesn't help DT, a strong fan community does.
Ok, I am done ranting... but I do have one last disclaimer... It was definately not
my intention to insult all DT "die-hard" fans (as I said, I am one too), actually I am
just pissed off at a few immature ones... (especially the dude who kept singing in my
ear for the whole show)...
Thanks for listening.
alex
p.s. Am i crazy or is there anyone else who gets frustrated with the immaturity??
p.p.s It's nice to finally see some interesting threads (i.e. what's the best song to
introduce someone to DT with... there should be more topics like that!!)
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:36:08 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: David Arkenstone
Message-ID: <007901be39c6$97890600$0201010a@chuck>
>Following the advice of our friend Chuck (the Eckstrey one), I got me
>some David Arkenstone. I already have 4 CDs, and while all the stuff is
hahahah. Holy! Someone actually read something I posted! :)
*Korgbert, now sufficiently motivated enough to be 100 percent productive
today, wanders to the restroom to wait it out.*
Gotta love Arky. I still like Return of the Guardians best, but Celtic Book
rokz nadz.
>Oh and rumours have it that Blaze will get booted from Iron Maiden... I
This is a rumour I wouldn't doubt. I don't mind Blaze so much, but he ain't
Bruce. Money? Hell, I bet Bruce's last album sold better than Virtual XI.
hehehe. I never even got that one. Even passed up buying it used to get
NIN: Pretty Hate Machine. I know, I suck. And they'd have to let Adrian
back in, too. Jeez. Adrian, Janick, and Dave... drool... Imagine the
nifty melodious solos then. :) Don't look to Kiske though. Didn't Steve
throw a tizzy that he wanted only a Brit singer, so he passed up Kiske and
Matos for Blaze? What a looooser. :P
Anyway, that extends my moritorium of the once great Iron Maiden. hehehe.
Doh! Heartburn. Damn Arby's...
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:22:59 EST From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: A Tale of War... Message-ID: <90817a04.3693f053@aol.com>
<<"The sport is war.... total war... when victory's really massacre...">>
Damnit.
Slayer on New Year's Eve. Damnit. DAMNIT!
Mosh, my man, next time you're going to a blood bath like that on New Year's Evil, let me know if you need a date. I'll bring the cat o' nine tails, and we'll ring in the new year PROPERLY.
::::: walking off with the most evil of grins:::::: Christina "Hell ain't such a bad place to be." Tom Araya to me, 1991
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:35 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" <GREGER.RONNQVIST@INFODATA.SEMA.SE> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Under The Sun - 1997 Demos + Bonus Live Tracks Message-ID: <199901062335.3WJF@memo-smtp.sto.sema.se>
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UNDER THE SUN - 1997 Demos + Bonus Live Tracks USA Rating: * * * 1998 PRIVATE UTSEP01 Time: 64 minutes
Kurt Barabas - bass, bass pedals Chris Shryack - vocals, guitars Paul Shkut - drums, percussion Matt Evidon - keyboards, vocals
This is a promo-CD containing demos and live tracks. Under The Suns music is somewhere between rock and progressive rock. Influences can be heard from Kansas, Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd, Allman Bros., King Crimson, Frank Zappa, Dream Theater, Zebra, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Saga, Steely Dan, U2, Marillion, Uriah Heep and Black Sabbath. I don't want to state that Under the Sun is sounding like one of those groups; they're nothing else than just a mix between them all. Therefore, if you like one of these groups doesn't mean that you also like Under the Sun too. If you think so you might be disappointed.
The guitarist is a very skilled rock guitarist and he is the best of the musicians, even though all members are really good. The singer is a mix between Ozzy Osbourne (Black Sabbath) and Steve Walsh (Kansas).
"Gardens of autumn" are the most commercial track, while "This Golden Voyage" is the album's most progressive track. "From Henceforth Now and forever (Ps. 124)" contains sampled Mellotron which makes this track even better. "Breakwater" is a long track with many tempo changes. The live tracks contain many long instrumental sections.
Unfortunately the sound quality is very rough on this promotion CD. If the sound had been better I think that this CD could have had a 4 star rating instead of 3. If these boys got a record deal and a good producer I think they could make a very good official debut CD. It can be very interesting to hear more from Under the Sun in the future.
Under The Sun is nowadays recording a new full length CD, for a planned release in January 1999.
Dial for the latest Under The Sun. (818)503-5-SUN
Address:
Under The Sun P.O. Box 1084 Studio City, CA 91614-1084
Website: http://www.electriciti.com/btally/uts.htm Email: btally@electriciti.com
-Reviewed by Greger Ronnqvist-
Email: greger.ronnqvist@infodata.sema.se
Snail Mail: Greger Ronnqvist Risselasvagen 66 B 833 35 Stromsund Sweden
ICQ No: 17275819
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: critical age, genetics Message-ID: <19990106234120.11962.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
"Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> corrected:
> Ahem, I didn't make the "no instinct claim." :)
Sorry Brian, I didn't go back to verify that one...
It must have been TheCowGod that was born without instinct, judging from his last post. But then again, his genetic background IS in question! Moo. ;o)
- BH
Scully - "Mulder, are you telling me that this boy is part cow and part human?"
Mulder - "But Scully, what do we REALLY know about genetics and the effect of the bovine growth hormone on humans born without brain stems? Doesn't it logically follow that the ingestion of mutant milk may have paved the way for the growth of a hybrid brain stem? And with the constant exposure to heavy metal music, there's no telling what kind of monster may have been created. It may have been grazing here for years without ever being noticed, just waiting for an opportunity to breed and spread it's mutated genes across the earth, maybe across the galaxy."
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:54:08 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net, ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: critical age, genetics Message-ID: <3693f79f2824001@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <19990106234120.11962.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> Mulder - "But Scully, what do we REALLY know about genetics and the > effect of the bovine growth hormone on humans born without brain > stems? Doesn't it logically follow that the ingestion of mutant milk > may have paved the way for the growth of a hybrid brain stem? And with > the constant exposure to heavy metal music, there's no telling what > kind of monster may have been created. It may have been grazing here > for years without ever being noticed, just waiting for an opportunity > to breed and spread it's mutated genes across the earth, maybe across > the galaxy."
LOL!! And that's why I don't watch that crappy show. ;)
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 19:08:34 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Angra, David Arkenstone Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990106190834.006a3d84@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Brian H. remarked: >Everyone seems to like Angra, >so am I the only one who thinks that Andre sings like he has the >microphone shoved up into his nasal sinuses? This guy has one of the >whiniest voices I've ever heard (and I really like early Rush, so it's >not the "style" I don't like). I just don't get this one. I've been >listening for a month and it still irritates me (more so when he adds >the extra whine!).
In my experience there are two types of Angra listeners:
1) Those who think Andre Matos has a great range, fantastic expressiveness, and pure power in those vocal cords; OR 2) Those who think Matos sounds like a dolphin on helium with its balls being squeezed in a vice and want nothing to do with the band.
I happen to be in the first camp, but both camps have plenty of members. Your mileage may vary.
Christian remarked: >Following the advice of our friend Chuck (the Eckstrey one), I got me >some David Arkenstone. I already have 4 CDs, and while all the stuff is >good, I highly recommend the Celtic Book of Days CD to anybody. This is >real good stuff. I know everybody and their mother is doing celtic CDs >but this is top notch if you're into that stuff. Of course there's no >distorted guitars on sight, I just thought I'd warn you.
Did somebody say "David Arkenstone?" :) "Celtic Book of Days" is just okay compared to the other cinematic new age rock masterpieces Arkenstone has put out. "In The Wake of the Wind" makes my top 10 list of CDs every time, though "Return of the Guardians" and "Quest of the Dream Warrior" are good too. If you like more purely electronic, introspective, moody stuff, pick up "Another Star in the Sky" also. Oh, hell, go out and grab "Spirit Wind" while you're at it. :)
ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Cool new band Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9901061912500.23087-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Check 'em out. Bay area ballz 'n chunk.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:05:48 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Who's Recording/Producing the New LTE?? Message-ID: <4f355c3a.3694086c@aol.com>
What's up, Jammerz?
Sorry if this has been covered before, but I haven't heard if Kevin Shirley is recording/producing the new LTE album or not. I know that the guys (MP, at least) were very pleased with the job he did on their first album, as well as the 2 latest DT releases.
I, for one, hope that he's doing the second LTE... I thought the first one sounded GREAT. Awesome mix. And, if he's NOT doing it, I sure hope that whomever is doing it does as good a job with this album.
That's all for now. Laterz.... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:31:23 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Bein a Righty Message-ID: <199916201216441@ix.netcom.com>
<<hey matt. i told you before several times...you CAN restring the guitar and learn to play with your left hand strumming and your right hand doing the fingerings. most instruments are built for right handed people ( same way as violins, cellos, basses, and violas ). they considered it 'awkward' for a lefty to play with his or her natural hand. but youve been at the right hand thing for 5 years right? just learn how to use your right hand more ( learn to write with both hands and you'll be fine ) >>
actually, it turns out that my warm up that I had been doing was not a) long enough (at least for me) or b) efficient enough. I basically moved it to a 30 min warm up and did more warm up chromatic exercises with the metronome, building up speed then. So, basically, Im fine :-)
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:50:02 -0500 From: Dona Kim <dmkim@fas.harvard.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: heaven's gate? Message-ID: <369412C9.E6B9DB84@fas.harvard.edu>
on the awake album, it seems our friends from dream theater have given thanks to one "heaven's gate." would they be referring to the freaky cult or perhaps some obscure prog rock band which i haven't yet heard of?
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:32:51 +1100 From: "Duran/Pulgar" <ldbp@rivernet.com.au> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: those two German composers who wrote music with 12th notes Message-ID: <000d01be39e1$7cdaee20$12e358cb@ld-bp>
>>> I suppose my cynicism may have something to do with the fact that I'm >>> still waiting for the names of those two German composers who wrote >>> music >>> with 12th notes. >> >>. what!? >> >The person that was addressed to started a similar annoying thread >about the existence of 12th notes. She claimed that two German composers >"who will remain nameless" composed music that utilized the enigmatic >"12th note." Several jammers and I wasted great amounts of stress and >time debunking this concept (which is, to me, a moral imperative... I >can't stand letting aberrations of that magnitude gain credibility! That >and I'm a goofball who likes to argue...)
Hi, dudes! I'm pretty sure one of them is Arnold Schoenberg, but I'm puzzled, since he wasn't German, he was Austrian (in fact Jew), and he is worldly credited with the 'serialism' or 12-tone music, but some claim that it was already used by others before him, such as Charles Ives and my grand-father, Bernardo Pulgar II (El Jodedor). Seriously, I've been trying to see who the other one could have been. Maybe it was one of his pupils (Alban Berg or Anton von Webern - both Vienese and both used widely the 12 notes system, but maybe they learned it from him) or his two major influences (Johannes Brahms or Richard Wagner - both German). I still don't know why the riginal poster wouldn't want to give the names of these people. ------------------ Alright, I researched a bit and here you have the names of some compositions by these guys using this technique:
In 1909 Schoenberg produced his first atonal works 'Three Piano Pieces' 'Five Orchestral Pieces' and a one-act opera 'Erwartung' (Expectation). 'Pierrot Lunaire' >From 1920 he became preoccupied with serialism, the serial repetition of tones or other elements of music. In this period he produced such serial works as his 'Third Quartet', 'Variations for Orchestra', and the first two acts of his masterpiece, the opera 'Moses und Aron'.
Berg wrote his 'Lyric Suite' for quartet in 1925 and 1926, the first of his works to utilize the 12-tone technique His 'Violin Concerto' (1936) and his unfinished opera 'Lulu' (1937) showed how the 12-tone technique could be combined with traditional harmonic and melodic elements.
I couldn't find any specific work by Anton von Webern, but I found this in an encyclopaedia: "Schoenberg developed his 12-tone method in 1924, and Webern adopted that method the same year. All his subsequent works are 12-tone compositions. Webern is notable for the way he realized the full potential of serial composition. He found inspiration in literature and wrote a number of songs and choral compositions. He also worked as a conductor."
Like the old saying goes: Hope this helps... []'s Bernardo NP: Rick Wakeman - Heritage Suite
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:58:35 +1100 From: "Mc-Merc" <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Deep Purple Message-ID: <000c01be39e1$7508fa20$12e358cb@ld-bp>
Hello! I've bought Deep Purple's 'Come Hell or High Water' the other day, and there's something strange in the CD and I thought someone could supply some info on this: The songlist consists of 10 songs, according to the booklet and the back cover, but the CD is about 10 min. longer, and includes 3 more songs as follows: Between tracks 7 and 8: Lazy (4:17) Space Truckin' (2:26) Woman From Tokyo (1:56) They're indexed and all in the CD, and are not part of a meddley enclosed in another song. This is NOT a Japanese release, so what is this? A European release? Does anybody know, maybe AL (the Ytse-Crotchtologist)?
Thx: Bernardo
NP: Dokken 'Dysfunctional'
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:56:35 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Re : Bein' a righty Message-ID: <36942263.C78D5B27@caribe.net>
AyameYuki@aol.com wrote:
> hey matt. i told you before several times...you CAN restring the guitar and > learn to play with your left hand strumming and your right hand doing the > fingerings. most instruments are built for right handed people ( same way as > violins, cellos, basses, and violas ). they considered it 'awkward' for a > lefty to play with his or her natural hand. but youve been at the right hand > thing for 5 years right? just learn how to use your right hand more ( learn to > write with both hands and you'll be fine )
Well, I consider myself a lefty, although i only write and handle the mouse with the left.. and everything else i do with my right better , like tennis, guitar, the order of the drums, eating, fondling.. you name it :) Even then.. it would be too awkward for me to change to playing guitar the lefty way....even though i feel my left is more dextrous(?) in stuff like scales and stuff...( maybe thats it.. since playing righty means using the left to play the fretboard) ....
If you ( the original poster ) have been playing "righty" all the time, and the only dificulty is with speed , i can only recomend exercises for that.. since usually.. if it were easier for you to change to playing leftie.. then it woulve been very very hard to get started playing the basics righty style..
Im just saying what it would feel like for me tho..
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