YTSEJAM Digest 4547
Today's Topics:
1) Re: those two German composers who wrote music with 12th notes
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Re: Toad's Place Show
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Mangini
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
4) off topic: Van Halen video
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
5) It's the plague that makes your booty move.
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
6) off topic instinct stuff...
by DYER <dyer@taunet.net.au>
7) Re: problems with DT homepage?
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
8) Re: Toad's Place Show
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
9) Re: Angra
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) Attention Bay Area jammers!
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
11) Re: Poll comment
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
12) Re: Toad's Place ("I'm a better fan because I know more")
by ShadowBor@aol.com
13) Instinct
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
14) Re: Perfect Pitch.
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <bosstoneC@aol.com>
15) Re: Gag me with chunky shit
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <bosstoneC@aol.com>
16) Re: It's a B!
by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <bosstoneC@aol.com>
17) http://www.esmarts.com/music/music_coupons.html
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
18) Where's the beef?
by AL <al@isd.net>
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 22:05:39 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: those two German composers who wrote music with 12th notes
Message-ID: <36942483.82A7870F@caribe.net>
Duran/Pulgar wrote:
> >>> I suppose my cynicism may have something to do with the fact that
> I'm
> >>> still waiting for the names of those two German composers who
> wrote
> >>> music
> >>> with 12th notes.
> >>
> >>. what!?
> >>Hi, dudes!
> I'm pretty sure one of them is Arnold Schoenberg, but I'm puzzled,
> since he wasn't German, he was Austrian (in fact Jew), and he is
> worldly credited with the 'serialism' or 12-tone music, but some claim
Im not totally sure.. but pretty much.. that 12th notes does not refer
to serialism or 12 tone music.
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:40:55 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Toad's Place Show
Message-ID: <199901070240.SAA06445@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Alexander Coassin thus begged:
>
Is this HazeX reborn again?
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Mangini Message-ID: <19990107025328.5614.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
Hey maybe this old news but i just found out that Mike Mangini is through doing his tracks for James Labrie's solo album. http://www.rhythmknowledge.com/html/news.html
Thats the link I got the info from. I don't know how many of you ytse-drummers out there are excited about this but, as for me I can hardy contain my excitement. Mike Mangini is won of the most far out drummers I have ever heard.
Later all
NP: Event-Electric Skies
== John
When all of your wishes have been granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:17:31 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: off topic: Van Halen video Message-ID: <199901070317.WAA11207@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, trying to catch ip on some backlogged 'jams, so don't know if this was posted, but Van Halen just released an Internet only video clip for Once. It can be found at www.van-halen.com, www.vhnd.com, plus a few other mirrors listed on either of these sites... Know that there are alot of old-time VH fans here... They have it in a few differnt formats, MOV, AVI, RAM, etc. The AVIs and MOVs are about 25MB, though...
-- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | In the stream of consciousness | Lines In The Sand, taken from | | There is a river crying | Dream Theater's | | Living comes much easier | Falling Into Infinity | | Once we admit We're dying | | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:47:10 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: It's the plague that makes your booty move. Message-ID: <36942e3d352d001@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
.cue announcer's annoying voice..."The following is a paid advertisement on behalf of Ytsejam Radio. Tune in at http://progmetal.gmsnet.com/clips/ytseradio.ram"
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Kudos to Neil for the Ytse-best of '98 poll. But I know what many of you are thinking...
Who the hell are these bands? What do they sound like?
You wanna know how to find out?
You wanna know where you can here all that stuff and more?
I mean, stuff that you've never heard of in your life, and some stuff you know and love.
I mean, stuff that kicks complete ass.
Like, so much stuff that it'll make stuff spray out your nostrils after a few minutes cause you'll be so full of stuff.
That a lot of stuff, punchy. And I'll tell you where you can hear all of it. Those smart folk out there already know where I'm going with this. Say it with me...I'm talking about...
YTSEJAM RADIO!
Moving into its first new year with power and style, giving you the great stuff since June 1998, it's Ytsejam Radio. The only place besides your CD player to get the music you want to hear. And who uses CDs anymore anyway? Vinyl is where it's at.
So tune into Ytsejam Radio at http://progmetal.gmsnet.com/clips/ytseradio.ram with RealPlayer or your favorite web browser. Go to the website at http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio for more info.
You'll like what you hear. I'm not just the ad pimp, I'm a client. I'm Gearge Zimmerman, and I guarantee it.
Anti-Corporate. Anti-MTV. Anti-Decency. Ytsejam Radio.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:25:39 +1000 From: DYER <dyer@taunet.net.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: off topic instinct stuff... Message-ID: <1296406957-161320530@smtp.octa4.net.au>
>now now. that's reflex. stick anything into its mouth and it'll suck on >it. same with the finger grabbing thing - people always put their finger >in a newborn's hand and when it grips it they're all "oh, he loves me!" >it's like, no, that's a reflex. put a pencil in his hand and he'll grab >that too.
That natural reflex is an instinct....
as to whether or not humans are born with instinct, that's an >actively debated topic. i personally don't think so, although i haven't >exactly exhausted days of laborious pondering on the issue. but for >example, if you put a 9 month old baby in the wild, when he gets hungry, >is he gonna look for food? no, he's gonna cry hoping his mommy will come >by and pop out a, well, you know.
That's because survival in the wild isn't a human instinct...human babies are born virtually helpless and need to be taught to survive....which is why humans have instictively high learning capabilities at such young ages....
Human's, just like every other animal, are born with insticts that via some evolutionary process are suited to the circumstances of their environment - ie "sucking a tit" as somebody eloquently put it :)
Not particularly sorry about the non DT content...because I happen to think that is one of the great things about this list! :)
Cheers
Paul D.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:52:19 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: problems with DT homepage? Message-ID: <00a901be39f9$83278dc0$3a1110ac@demccor.clemson.edu>
]From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> Subject: problems with DT homepage?
>too many apps opened so I rebooted. I started up netscape and links work >again. I go to the dt page and hit the news link on the left and presto, >links dont work anymore. So I rebooted again and shall avoid the dt page >for awhile....
maybe itchy is a closet IE4 supporter. moo.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:59:53 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Toad's Place Show Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9901070258500.10191-100000@jaca>
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Dr. Mosh wrote:
> Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the > entire thing cause it'll crash.
No way, my friend. Windows will rule the world minus 1. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:37:34 EST From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Angra Message-ID: <9c4ca597.3694643e@aol.com>
>< In my experience there are two types of Angra listeners: 1) Those who think Andre Matos has a great range, fantastic expressiveness, and pure power in those vocal cords; OR 2) Those who think Matos sounds like a dolphin on helium with its balls being squeezed in a vice and want nothing to do with the band. I happen to be in the first camp, but both camps have plenty of members. Your mileage may vary. ><
I think he's an average prog singer with many annoying tendancies in a band that would be better without him, but still is a decent band and no more.
Jim
NP - Spock's Beard: The Light
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:39:31 +0100 From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Attention Bay Area jammers! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990107093928.0068b118@muc.de>
Hi again,
I'm relocating to the Bay Area in February for a new job and was wondering if any of you jammers might give me a few hints or help me out to find my ways around.. Most probably I'll be looking for an apartment in Mountain View or Palo Alto. So it would be greatly appreciated if you'd e-mail me some life-saving infos like good CD-shops, coffee-shops, bars that play good music etc. If you are asking yourself: who is this guy and why should I help him? I'm a longtime ytsejammer (been here since digest #570, although mostly lurking), who lives currently near Munich, Germany. Also, if you'd like to know more about me, check out my homepage at http://www.wazoo.muc.de/
Please answer to this in private e-mail only, any information will be highly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you, maybe I'll meet some of you soon... Thanks to all of you, take care - Andreas "jerry" Schaefer.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:39:31 +0100 From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Poll comment Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990107092122.0068b118@muc.de>
Hi y'all
I'm not sure if I should be proud or worried about my bank account.. I own 27 of the CDs on Neil's poll, 21 of the first 27 entries to be exact. Does this make me the average ytsejammer? And how is the average ytsejammer? Like John "shred" Doe who owns 746.45 CDs, attended 4.3 DT shows, has 0.7 kids and 0.4 ex-wifes? Maybe Neil should do another poll with the population statistics of this mailing list..
so much for this post, now for another first: 2 posts to the 'yam on one day.. jerry :--)
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 04:27:13 EST From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Toad's Place ("I'm a better fan because I know more") Message-ID: <95a743ca.36947df1@aol.com>
Someone wrote of the Toad's Place show:
>>All I heard all night >>were the self-appointed DT gurus being condescending to everyone around them. I >>remember when the ystejammer thing started... it was dedicated fans of the band >>uniting throught the internet enjoying all of what dt has to offer and sharing it with >>others with hopes to make dt as successful as they should be... but now it's one guy >>berating the other for not knowing the set list from the night before from a town 5 >>hours away or for not being aware of all the b-sides dt has out, ("You mean you don't >>know the words to "To Live Forever", your not a true fan, you shouldn't even be >>here...yada yada yada..."). Yes!!! I actually heard conversations like that.
>>Then, when the band goes on, these so-called "die-hard fans" are screaming (not >>singing) the songs in keys I wasn't aware existed. I understanding singing along with >>the chorus of a song when JLB prompts the audience to do so.... and yes I understand >>the general excitement and enthusiasm one gets from seeing DT, but why don't these >>people want to "listen" to the show.... instead they scamble to get as close to the >>stage as possible, screaming each word to every song, especially the rare DT songs in >>hopes that MP or JLB will recognize and acknowlege them, and in doing so ruining the >>experience for others. One kid next to me was so annoying he would shout out the >>name of every song right when it started, especially when it was an unusual intro to a >>familiar song (i.e. lifting shadows), thereby ruining everyone elses excitement as an >>unfamiliar intro morphs into a well-known tune. To me, thats part of the unique >>experience we get as DT fans, new arrangements, rare songs, etc. I truly believe that >>DT does this for there fans to enjoy, why then, do these "die-hard" fans have to ruin >>it for everyone else.
Sorry to waste a little space with copying so much of the message above, but I was at this show too, and I've been to 5 or 6 other DT shows and have seen this everytime. I have to agree with this guy completely. There's nothing wrong with singing even the whole concert, but at least back off your volume a little. Ever heard Another Day, trying to enjoy the song, thinking "I can't wait to hear him go for the high note" or whatever, and instead you hear it in stereo with some dude screaming a half step off and still cracking, right in your ear? I don't know- it kinda loses the intamacy there. And I also agree with the song intro thing like Lifting Shadows- don't you hate when you're about to go see a movie and someone tells you the ending when you didn't want to know? I go to concerts to enjoy them, not to throw down and compete. This hopefully isn't taken defensively, as it's not an argumentitively geared thing. Just be cool, that's all (for all those who think this applies to them). Rock on.
Rob
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:27:45 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Instinct Message-ID: <001101be3a1f$fbc2fe10$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Here are my two contributions to the instinct/learning thing.
1. I didn't start learning German until I was 19. When people over here meet me for the first time, they all take me for a native Kraut. I even dream in German.
2. http://www.theonion.com/onion3119/stupidbabies.html
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Kyuss - Welcome To Sky Valley
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:47:00 -0000 From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <bosstoneC@aol.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Perfect Pitch. Message-ID: <000c01be39f7$4b20d1e0$67b533d1@i9web>
>or LEARNED. Humans are born without instinct. Even prodigies like >Mozart, Prince, and Jordan Rudess had to learn their musical abilities
I just like that list of Musicians/Composers =)
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:44:44 -0000 From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <bosstoneC@aol.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Gag me with chunky shit Message-ID: <000b01be39f7$4a1be500$67b533d1@i9web>
>Korgenstein wrote: >>Word of Warning. Avoid Campbell's Chunky Chicken Corn
There's the problem right there. CHUNKY CHICKEN CORN.
Just look at the name, dammit.
Heart burn with headache? You mustabeen eating chunky chicken corn.... Use Alkaseltzer
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:41:24 -0000 From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <bosstoneC@aol.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: It's a B! Message-ID: <000a01be39f7$492947a0$67b533d1@i9web>
>isnt Ayame Yuki (who says its a C chord) also the "classically trained" >musician who thought there was such a thing as a 12th note? I just >think thats interesting....
Hmm... I think he meant a 12th-alet. Like a triplet, or a quintuplet.
i dont remember the original posting, so falem me =)
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 03:37:20 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: http://www.esmarts.com/music/music_coupons.html Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F39A0@ms.kallback.com>
This site tracks coupons from CDNow, CDBoulevard, etc. Save some money. Your welcome.
Trevor Confucius say "It takes many nails to build crib, but one screw to fill it."
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 06:50:50 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Where's the beef? Message-ID: <3694ADAA.9C844A3D@isd.net>
I received the Christmas CD today! Very nice. Even though all the music is great, I think it's track 11 that gave me the biggest smile. Thanks Guys.
Jon Parmet wrote: A DAMN FUNNY STORY IN #4544 (Baby stroller story) I'm sure glad I wasn't eating anything while I read that. (I'd still be cleaning barnacles off the monitor)
Jon,
I want to inspire you to write another fictional short story. The Mike Portnoy story! Titled: "The Boy Who Banged Everything" No, wait... That'd be Derek, wouldn't it? You get the idea.
Brian Hansen wrote: {Mulder - "But Scully, what do we REALLY know about genetics and the {effect of the bovine growth hormone on humans born without brain {stems? Doesn't it logically follow that the ingestion of mutant milk {may have paved the way for the growth of a hybrid brain stem? And with {the constant exposure to heavy metal music, there's no telling what {kind of monster may have been created. It may have been grazing here {for years without ever being noticed, just waiting for an opportunity {to breed and spread it's mutated genes across the earth, maybe across {the galaxy."
I would appear that you've been traumatized by that first "South Park" episode.
Or... Cow God is our *First Contact*
Spare me oh great bovine one, I drink Coke. Pick on a Wisconsinite; They've done far more to exploit your peers. (Packer cheerleaders)
GO Vikings! (Boy, I'm asking for it)
-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Gotta keep 'em separated" Let's see how many of you fall victim to my evil plan. Will Jammers be tortured by hours of lame Offspring tunes running through their heads? Will John Myung's fingers continue to look more and more like ET's with each passing year? Will Bafu & Ptacek battle it out over the elusive 12th note? Will Mike Bahr show up at Dream Theater concerts wearing a false nose & mustache? Will Korg eat that disgusting Corn Chowder again? Gotta keep 'em separated? You be the judge.
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