YTSEJAM Digest 4548
Today's Topics:
1) re: Where's the beef?
by AEllis1222@aol.com
2) The Ytseslam
by AL <al@isd.net>
3) Andre Matos
by Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com>
4) Re: critical age, genetics
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
5) Re: heaven's gate?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) Re: those two German composers who wrote music with 12th notes
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
7) Re: instinct/learned behavior [NDTC]
by psull@ici.net
8) Campbell's Chunky
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
9) Re: Campbell's Chunky
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) Re: i am a cat
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) Adventures In Dream Theater-ing...Part 1
by "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
12) Heavy Metal Symphony?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
13) Re: problems with DT homepage?
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
14) Re: problems with DT homepage?
by Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net>
15) Bernardo, Rammstein
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:04:53 EST
From: AEllis1222@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: Where's the beef?
Message-ID: <f77b09ae.3694b0f5@aol.com>
<<<Will Mike Bahr show up at Dream Theater concerts wearing a false
nose & mustache?>>> From Al's Sig
Thats one of the funniest things I've read here in a loooong time!
~~Art
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:13:32 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The Ytseslam
Message-ID: <3694B2FC.F0AF18AF@isd.net>
Bernardo (AKA Mc-Merc) wrote:
>enclosed in another song. This is NOT a Japanese release, so what is
>this? A European release? Does anybody know, maybe AL (the
>Ytse-Crotchtologist)?
Doh! That's OK. I just signed you up for the Hanson fan club.
(you should be getting your starter kit in 6-8 weeks)
Pay no attention to the sores developing on your nads by the time
you read this. (I have this cute little doll I'm treating with Formby's.
Some spots are a little sensitive to chemicals)
Do you or a friend have a GPS? What is your global position?
Could you please narrow it down to sub-minute-of-angle? I want to try out
Some new hardware I purchased from Israel.
P.S. I don't have that CD, therefore, I have NO idea.
-- AL... The Ytse-ProGtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:48:06 -0500 From: Chris Schulze <schulze2@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Andre Matos Message-ID: <3694C926.37E303A@mindspring.com>
James Ahab said about Andre Matos (of Angra): << I think he's an average prog singer with many annoying tendancies in a band that would be better without him, but still is a decent band and no more. >>
Opinions are opinions. But this is a fact: Andre is the guy that put this band together and at least for their first two albums, he was the guy that overlooked all the arrangements and has always taken the final decisions about the stuff. Some even say that the band members other than Rafael Bittencourt were for a long time just hired guns.
Christian.
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:11:25 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: critical age, genetics Message-ID: <3694CE9D.3D0D@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> > > "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> corrected: > > > Ahem, I didn't make the "no instinct claim." :) > > Sorry Brian, I didn't go back to verify that one...
Ok, one of you change your first names NOW!
Someone might start getting confused as to who said what where...
:)
Regards, Brian -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
"Microsoft announced today that the official release date for the new operating system 'Windows 2000' will be delayed until the second quarter of 1901."
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:14:44 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: heaven's gate? Message-ID: <3694CF64.33FA@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
After debriefing Dona wondered:
> on the awake album, it seems our friends from dream theater have given > thanks to one "heaven's gate." would they be referring to the freaky > cult or perhaps some obscure prog rock band which i haven't yet heard > of?
I thought that was a B-side of Nightmare Cinema doing Hell's Kitchen :)
Regards, Jon -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
"Microsoft announced today that the official release date for the new operating system 'Windows 2000' will be delayed until the second quarter of 1901."
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:32:58 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: those two German composers who wrote music with 12th notes Message-ID: <3694D3AA.6FBE@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Duran/Pulgar: > Hi, dudes!
G'DAY :)
> I'm pretty sure one of them is Arnold Schoenberg, but I'm puzzled, > since he wasn't German, he was Austrian (in fact Jew), and he is > worldly credited with the 'serialism' or 12-tone music, but some claim
My skull could be leaking fairly profusely on this one, but I think they were talking about 12th notes in the domain of rhythm, not 12-tones (as opposed to 8?) which would be in the domain of frequency? IIRC, only people with perfect pitch can hear 12-tones :)
Schoenberg was definitely wacked though! I remember seeing one of his albums in the music library back in college. The back cover went into great detail about reccommended speaker placement when listening to the album. I think he suggested something like 8 speakers :)
This post was brought to you by the numbers 2, 8 and 12.
JP -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:44:22 -0500 From: psull@ici.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: instinct/learned behavior [NDTC] Message-ID: <199901071534.KAA28905@bajor.ici.net>
> Really? I haven't heard any debate about that. It's not possible that we > don't have instinct. As someone put it, there is no "tabula rossa." Here's > another one: babies instinctually cry when they need something. They are > not taught to cry, and it's not a simple physical cause and effect,
Yes, but that's not necessarily instinct. Babies don't cry *instinctively* because they need something. Crying itself is an instinctive behavior, but crying because they NEED something is a learned behavior. Babies (newborns) cry, simply because it's the only method they have of communicating. If something is wrong, they haven't learned to differentiate between "I'm hungry" and "The light's too bright" and "I slept on my arm funny" and so on. Eventually they learn to differentiate these things (and, as every parent learns, they develop a different cry for each), and they also learn that when they cry, mommy and daddy fix what's wrong. ___Pat Sullivan_______________ Email: psull@ici.net ICQ: 23499229 WWW: http://www.just-like.nu
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:10:58 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Campbell's Chunky Message-ID: <3694DC92.3924DEF1@home.com>
>Korg wrote: >>Word of Warning. Avoid Campbell's Chunky Chicken Corn
I'll go with Korg on this one...... I think we should all stick to Campbell's Chunky, Crunchy Axe flavor (no corn, or cheese whatsoever). I think it's currently coming with a coupon you can mail in to receive your free "Heroes of Chunky, Crunchy Axe" poster featuring Bernd Basmer, Tore Ostby, Michael Romeo and friends.
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
NP: Nothing. Hmmmmm....... WTF is wrong with me?
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:10:59 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Campbell's Chunky Message-ID: <3694EAA3.3EC42AE9@caribe.net>
Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> >Korg wrote: > >>Word of Warning. Avoid Campbell's Chunky Chicken Corn > > I'll go with Korg on this one...... I think we should all stick to > Campbell's Chunky, Crunchy Axe flavor (no corn, or cheese whatsoever). > I think it's currently coming with a coupon you can mail in to receive > your free "Heroes of Chunky, Crunchy Axe" poster featuring Bernd Basmer, > Tore Ostby, Michael Romeo and friends. >
Joe , joe! I know ill get flamed here but.. i think romeo belongs with the corn and cheese :) For more heroes of chunk and crunch .. we can look into Dino Cazares or the folks in Meshuggah
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:32:55 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: i am a cat Message-ID: <01BE3A63.C3F2DFC0@168.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
Partha Mukhopadhyay asked :
> who else voted for Francis Dunnery and Bela Fleck in > our very own Gallup poll??
I was the other guy who voted for Francis Dunnery's amazingly cool album "Let's Go Do What Happens". :)
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:42:50 -0500 From: "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com> To: Under A Glass Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Adventures In Dream Theater-ing...Part 1 Message-ID: <BDBBCD37EA65D1119E9600A0C9982D75AB4E43@mail.pwcg.com>
..or 'How I Spent My Christmas Vacation'...
man, what a week! i'm truly surprised that i have any hearing left!! i had the week between christmas and new year's day off from my job, and i managed to get people to ferry me (or i mass transited myself) to all 5 shows! they were all great, but the events at the last show were awesome!! but let's start at the beginning...
Birch Hell - got there at about 7:00, and told my ride that the show would be done at about 11:15 or so...what i didn't know was that the guys weren't going to take the stage until about 11:25! it was a great show (well, what i saw of it...), but since i was running late, i bailed at about 12:30 (i think i missed the last 3 songs or so...). from what i've heard from people that i talked to that attended multiple shows, this show was the least impressive...
Electric Factory - got bad directions from mapquest which ended up sending me to the far opposite end of the street (about 60 or 70 blocks across town)...by the time we got to the place we had missed the first song, but we got to stand on some bleachers near the back, so we had a pretty good view...the only performance in all 5 shows of 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road' and the impromptu performance of 'Nightmare Cinema' were awesome!
Toad's Place - got there just before a huge rush of people, so i got a good spot on line...also, i had never been there before, so i wasn't aware of 'the net', and apparently, there were quite a few people in front of me that were under 21, so my friend and i got a really awesome spot right at the stage in front of John P...this was an excellent show (i think this was the first show at which they performed the 'Different Strings/Analog Kid/La Villa Strangiato' medley...). also, the stage was only about 2 feet high, so there were quite a few times during the show when we got a faceful of John's AMAZING guitar ability...it was almost better than being at a clinic!
..to be continued...
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Heavy Metal Symphony? Message-ID: <19990107165240.14449.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
Thought some of you might find this interesting. It was a major story last night on the tv and radio stations here in the SF Bay Area. The way that the talking heads on TV put it, it sounded like Metallica was being credited for creating a new genre of music. But then again, who pays attention to the TV news anyway? (Isn't that how it always works? The inventor doesn't get credit, only the person that manages to bring it to the mainstream.)
Hopefully Metallica will use material from RtL, MoP, and AJFA... It would work better in this format. They may finally be going in the "right" direction. ;o)
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Heavy metal rockers team up with symphony
BY DAVID KLIGMAN Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Metallica, the heavy metal group known for the head-banging hit ``Enter Sandman,'' has a new gig with the most unlikely of collaborators: the San Francisco Symphony.
About 100 symphony members will back up the band and composer Michael Kamen for two shows of all-Metallica songs on April 21-22 at the Berkeley Community Theater.
Kamen, who has provided orchestration for such artists as David Bowie, Eric Clapton and Pink Floyd, insisted the Metallica project was no joke and had been in the works for two years.
``This is not going to be the easy-listening version of Metallica,'' Kamen said Wednesday. ``The idea is to have Metallica be Metallica and the San Francisco Symphony be the San Francisco Symphony. I think there's more in common than there are differences, although there are some pretty spectacular differences.''
Those differences may become apparent as organizers stage a show that caters to the sophisticated symphony-goer and the metal crowd -- though drummer Lars Ulrich admitted the concerts will attract mostly Metallica fans. Lead singer James Hetfield jokingly suggested that Metallica fans combine the mosh and orchestra pits and include flaming batons as props.
And then there's the issue of attire.
``Maybe Metallica will be in black tie and the orchestra will be in...,'' Ulrich began.
``Black leather!'' chimed in lead guitarist Kirk Hammett.
Among the pieces being prepared for the 23-song set list are ``Devil's Dance,'' ``Fight Fire With Fire'' and ``Nothing Else Matters.'' The shows will be recorded and may be released as a CD.
The concerts will be performed in Berkeley because Davies Symphony Hall was already booked and band members felt the hall's stage and acoustics weren't suitable.
This isn't the first time the symphony has teamed with a rock band. Former members of the Grateful Dead performed with the symphony under the direction of conductor Michael Tilson Thomas.
But will symphony lovers join metalheads for such a collaboration? Retired consultant Grant Horne, a season-ticket subscriber for 20 years, has never heard a Metallica song but thinks the project is a good idea.
``This will open the door to a lot of people who would not typically come to the symphony,'' Horne said. ``And it'll open our ears to a lot of music we're not used to listening to unless our grandkids force us to.''
Symphony members, just as unfamiliar with Metallica, also were looking forward to the shows.
``I remember seeing a Guns N' Roses video not long ago that had some string players in it,'' said Tina King, who plays the viola. ``I think people will be surprised that it can be meshed together.''
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:52:25 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: problems with DT homepage? Message-ID: <01BE3A66.7E518720@168.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
Pat Daugherty wrote :
> A weird thing is occurring when I access the DT homepage > www.dreamtheater.net. Today, I went there, hit the news link > in the left frame. After that I couldn't click any links > (href="...").
If any of you ever have a problem with viewing UACM, please email me PRIVATELY so I can look into it IMMEDIATELY. Don't simply post about it on the Ytsejam, because there COULD be a problem on YOUR end instead of the website...
Anyway, it has to be Pat's PC because I only use basic HTML on UACM (to make sure everything works for everyone). Also, if something WAS wrong I would have gotten a buncha private emails about it already.
For example... I got 5 notes from people who couldn't reach UACM when John Martin upgraded its server not too long ago. I think the downtime was only about 30 minutes. :-)
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:22:24 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <palpatine@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: problems with DT homepage? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990107172224.01221dc8@earthlink.net>
At 09:08 AM 1/7/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > Pat Daugherty wrote : > >> A weird thing is occurring when I access the DT homepage >> www.dreamtheater.net. Today, I went there, hit the news link >> in the left frame. After that I couldn't click any links >> (href="..."). >
Alright. WHat happened here was for about 20 minutes the net decided to have one of its famous "I'm not going to let you do anything!" temper tantrums. Probly a router went down cuz I had the same problem, on multiple sites not just UACM.
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:29:22 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Bernardo, Rammstein Message-ID: <19990107172923.5703.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi there, I just wanted to make sure that Bernardo didn't mix up nationality and religion. You wrote // Austrian (jew in fact)//. So he was of Austrian nationality and of Jewish religion. Good, just wanted to have everybody on the right side. On the other hand, the 12-tone scale leading to 12-tone music has nothing to do with 12th -notes. 12th notes are (or are not) divisions of a full note. 12 tone music is composed after the rule of not using one of the 12 notes(c,c#,d,d#,e,f,f#,....a#,h) twice, before all the others are used once. THere's even more rules, depending on how strict you wanna be into it.
On the second thought concerning Rammstein's German lyrics, which although I don't like it and do not own the disc gave a pondering, I have a new view for all not German speaking folks. I hope it has not been discussed.
DU HAST means YOU HAVE DU HASST means YOU HATE
Now, in the song it goes as following. Du hasst, Du hasst, Du hasst mich. That leads to the translation (hence the spelling of HASST) YOU HATE, YOU HATE, YOU HATE ME. I think we've been that far already, right?
BUT, it goes //du, du hast, du hast mich, du hast mich gefragt und ich hab nicht gesagt//
the correct translation of the new part is, YOU HAVE ASKED ME AND I DID NOT RESPOND he just adds a new word and creates a creative wordgame. du hast is hence spelled DU HAST
The afore mentioned Satch video turned out to be G3 w/UJ Roth adn M Schenker btw.
M new years resolution is to buy more DT discs and believe that they'll turn big in July, with a billboard ranking for the new album of 15 !!
If JM doesn't phone home and get's picked up that is.
Later, seb
NP: LitS
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