YTSEJAM Digest 4550
Today's Topics:
1) LTE in LA!?!
by "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu>
2) Hell's Kitchen (live) MP3
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
3) Re: Adventures In Dream Theater-ing...Part 2
by AnalogGal@aol.com
4) Re: A couple things
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
5) Rush - Different Stages
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
6) hells kitchen mp3!
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) SUBSCRIBE
by PSYCH0TOM@aol.com
8) Re: A couple things
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
9) Speak To Me MP3
by MutantFOOT@aol.com
10) Re: LTE in LA!?!
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
11) Re: Andre Matos - Angra and DT
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
12) Re: lefty playing righty
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
13) Time Sigs, Subdivisions, etc
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
14) Cheesy Romeo / AL attacked! / Metallica + symphony
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
15) Mike Portnoy's drumkits
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
16) john cage
by Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
17) Dream Theater Tourography completed (sort of)
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:19:26 -0700
From: "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE in LA!?!
Message-ID: <v03102809b2baf0f3f141@[128.111.29.61]>
>LTE - apparently, there is only 1 confirmed date for LTE right now (i don't
>remember the venue name, but i believe he said it's in Los Angeles) on
>January 30th...he said that they had to work quickly on setting up and
>confirming other dates in January, because it will be too late soon, since
>he also mentioned that one of the other members (i believe he said Tony
>Levin) is starting an 18 month tour with Seal starting in February, so he
>won't be available after that...
Huh - what? LTE's going to playing a date in L.A. on the 30th? Where? When?
Gimme those details - anybody! Come through for me Mosh... I know you've
got a backstage pass already or something. :)
trembling at the thought,
Paul
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 19:24:17 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Cc: bostonjam@dreamt.org
Subject: Hell's Kitchen (live) MP3
Message-ID: <4.1.19990107192220.00aa5f10@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
If you would like to download an MP3 of Hell's Kitchen as it
was performed live at Irving Plaza, New York City, NY on 12/29/98,
go to:
You must be registered to download the MP3, but registration is
simple and hassle-free! The whole point of being registered is for
the Dream Theater tourography / set list database which will soon
have the 1997-1998 dates added tonight and the set lists soon to
follow in the next week.
Enjoy.
-Bogie
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:26:53 EST
From: AnalogGal@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Adventures In Dream Theater-ing...Part 2
Message-ID: <246a0ce.369550cd@aol.com>
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Actually, his name is Matias, and he doesn't run the Dutch fan club. He's a
HUGE DT fan from Germany and he was in town for the holiday shows. To date,
he's seen a total of 56 DT shows, and the boys dedicated "Peruvian Skies" to
him at the end of the Poughkeepsie show. I believe he's in "5 Years in a Live
Time," but I haven't watched that tape since meeting him, so I don't recall
when he shows up. And since my stuff is packed away in preparation for my
move later this month, I can't get to it, either! D'oh!
Anyhow, just thought I'd clarify! :)
Christina
NP: Monster Magnet "Powertrip"
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:35:32 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: A couple things
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9901072233470.16737-100000@jaca>
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, TheCowGod wrote:
> > Also some interesting modern composers (not necessarily related to
> > serialism) are: Olivier Messiaen, Pierre Boulez (which is one of the most
> > famous people in "classical" music world today), Luciano Berio, John Cage
> > and Henryk Gorecki.
>
> John Cage! My band was gonna cover that one song of his, 4'33". Only we
> were gonna play it 4 times as fast - in 1 minute 8 seconds. Cuz we're all
> that. :)
Hahaha! :-) But can you really keep the music that fast and not
lose the tempo? :-) I mean, without sounding sloppy? :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:31:36 -0600 From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Rush - Different Stages Message-ID: <369551E8.D7068BEE@uiuc.edu>
For some reason i remember cdnow selling rush's different stages on dvd, but they dont have it listed anymore. now that i have a dvd player, i'd like to get it. does anyone know where i can get it from? later.
Edward Polzin http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~polzin
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:05:29 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: hells kitchen mp3! Message-ID: <369567E8.D084E195@caribe.net>
Is it just me or does this performance FUCKING rocks! Im SOOOOo jealous of you guys who got to see these shows..! Thanks again to Bogie for making this available..and of course to DT for playing it live.... :)
/me thinks this shouldve been played at every Fii tour show :)
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:38:27 EST From: PSYCH0TOM@aol.com To: YTSEJAM@axnet.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <99a343a2.36956193@aol.com>
SUBSCRIBE
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:51:54 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: A couple things Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990107205011.27288A-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> > John Cage! My band was gonna cover that one song of his, 4'33". Only we > > were gonna play it 4 times as fast - in 1 minute 8 seconds. Cuz we're all > > that. :) > > Hahaha! :-) But can you really keep the music that fast and not > lose the tempo? :-) I mean, without sounding sloppy? :-)
it'd be a challenge, of course, but i'm a really good guitarist so i could handle it. :) and of course after we played it normal, after all of the applause and everything, we'd have to do the mortal kombat remix of 4'33". in honor of the composer, you see. :) moo.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:57:20 EST From: MutantFOOT@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Speak To Me MP3 Message-ID: <a2418a14.36956600@aol.com>
If anyone has an MP3 of Speak To Me and can send it out to an AOL server or thru ICQ, give me an email please at MutantFOOT@aol.com lata
mike
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: "Paul T. Fini" <fini@engineering.ucsb.edu> Subject: Re: LTE in LA!?! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990107212431.8711A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Huh - what? LTE's going to playing a date in L.A. on the 30th? Where? When? > Gimme those details - anybody! Come through for me Mosh... I know you've > got a backstage pass already or something. :)
They're playing at NAMM.
- mike.
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:09:03 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Andre Matos - Angra and DT Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990107220903.00697f1c@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Guillermo wrote: >Somebody wrote that Andre is an average prog singer or something like >that. He is not a prog singer. He is a METAL singer, and if you think he >lacks quality, I guess you have never listened in your life to singers >like Halford or Dio. And if you don't believe me about Halford, ask >Pavarotti.
1) I have listened to Rob Halford and own four Priest albums 2) I have listened to Ronnie James Dio and own five Dio albums 3) I have listened to Pavarotti and own eight discs with Pavarotti in starring roles 4) It *still* took me some time to get used to Matos' voice, although I love it now. 5) You're being a dick. (tm, Madsman)
>I recognize that his range may hurt your ears a bit, but that's secondary >to the artistic value of what he's singing. If you really can't stand it, >adjust your stereo controls or buy a better one. Maybe it's not his voice >but the distortion that hurts.
And maybe it IS his voice. Some people don't care for it. Deal with it. People have used this "you should buy a better stereo" argument before and it's utterly full of holes. I don't give a good goddamn how poor the stereo equipment is, buying a better stereo or adjusting the controls isn't going to magically turn the music (or vocals) that you're listening to into something you loved -- if you hated it before.
>Has anybody complained about James LaBrie singing in "Voices"?
Yes, numerous times. Did you miss the recent complaints, right here, about James' performance on OIAL, specifically on "Voices"?
>Speaking of DT and Awake, if you miss Petrucci playing that fast, heavy >guitar in Awake, don't miss Angra's Fireworks specially Paradise and >Speed, it really sounds like Petrucci in the solos.
"Fireworks" is in fact a great album but I don't think that Loureiro and Bittencourt sound like Petrucci does; their tone and attack are completely different. The solos in "Extreme Dream", though, are very tasty and feature some very skillful interplay between the two.
ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:17:30 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: lefty playing righty Message-ID: <19991723324541@ix.netcom.com>
<<2). Lefty playing righty. We had a long ass discussion on #ytsejam about this. Anyone having trouble with this, please ignore Ayami's last post. The motion of writing with either hand is not the same as picking (though similar) and it's really not going to cure anything... just going to waste ink and paper. I have taught a few lefties who insist on denying their genetic makeup, and there IS in my experience a natural disadvantage, in that you don't have the same type of control of your right hand when you're a lefty, the same way as I don't have that type of control with my left. MICHAEL.ANGELO. talked about this very thing (he's the most ambidextrous goutarist I've ever seen) and explained that in order to play really fast, he had to devise a special picking method. I'm not sure that's necessary to do... mpm (I don't know your real name) is up to 160 without that technique. I imagine if you work very hard, you can get past that picking issue, but it'll probably be more trouble than had you played lefty. Once you've committed 5 years towards playing right handed though, there's no way you're going to be willing to flip your strings upside down and play with the other hand. So there ARE some issues, but it's not exactly clear to me what has to be done to overcome them. I would hope that structured practice is enough.>>
I talked to my guitar teacher about this, and he says the only problem I might face would be exactly that, control with rhythms. However, the first 2 or 2 and a half years of my playing, I couldnt solo (my first teacher never taught me) and I did have anything else to do but play rhythm. As a result, I think that my rhythmatic ability was hightened more than if I had learned to solo at that time. THis also brings up another good point. Would a righty playing a standard be at a disadvantage for legato styles? After watching Petrucci's video (where he had a segment on legato) I would have to say ABSOFUCKINGLOUTELY NO. Wouldnt the same apply to a lefty guitarists right hand speed? I have actually also noticed that a lot of times notes wont sound because my LEFT hand isnt fast enough (especially in 4321 fingered chromatics and 3 note per string 16th note patterns). I actually have tremendous rhythmatic control over my right hand, as I can play fairly intricate riffs with ease (Fates Warning's APSOG part 4 comes to mind, the riff at the begining of the instrimental section is in an odd time, so the down strokes and up strokes are reversed when the riff is played again) also almost half of the end of the Metropolis instrumental. My speed also depends on how long Im playing for. I can do 160 for a fairly good amount of time (I can do it for 20 seconds straight), but I can also play 176 for maybe a measures worth. It may also be because for a long time I neglected legato playing and focused a larger amount of my time to right hand speed. Now, Im starting to work on legato more, since it will prolly increase my left hand accuracy and make intricate or fast (or both) runs easier to do. As for the warm up problem, adding an extra 5 minutes of string skipping chromatics to a metronome to my 15 minutes of warm up seemed to help the problem, and this was after I didnt practice for a day and a half.
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:23:26 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Time Sigs, Subdivisions, etc Message-ID: <000201be3ac2$c39c0100$10739c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
True, you can't necessarily tell a time sig by listening to it. You can say "It's simple quadruple" or "compound triple" or whatever, but naming the time sig is a matter of guessing unless you see the score. Still, it's the kind of thing wherein one can guess with a psychic's accuracy in pop and rock and metal etc. Most tunes aren't written in weird time sigs that sound like other time sigs these days. More in the centuries that fall under the blanket of "classical" style music (I know classical is one period, but most people consider anything orchestral etc as classical) including "20th century" music. When you hear DT do something in a quick quintuple, you can generally count on it being 5/8 or 5/4 in some circumstances. Hearing note values is also a guess in many instances. Naming what JP is doing on AOI is guesswork. However, knowing what 32nd notes at 200 BPM sounds like is not. No matter what time sig you think it's in, or what tempo you think the song is in, 32nd notes at 200 BPM (short for "quarter notes = 200 BPM" except in some rare cases, in which we are told to count other note values at said BPM) is an absolute. It's ike the number 5. We assign one value to that number (in the context of simple mathematics... I don't want any super math freaks on the list to flame me for not knowing some arcane theory of some guy with a name no one can say aloud) because that's what it has come to logically mean to us. Knowing what 32nds at 200 sounds like can tell anyone right off the bat that JP is not doing this. My other example of him capping off around 16ths at 208 on his video would stand as further evidence. But to cut this all short, it is true that when we hear a new song and say "That's 9/8" all we know is that it's some sort of 9 or it's possibly some sort of compound 3. The note value (eighth note) is just an educated guess, until we see the score or ask the artist.
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 00:11:57 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Cheesy Romeo / AL attacked! / Metallica + symphony Message-ID: <3695939D.2C79C503@home.com>
> > I'll go with Korg on this one...... I think we should all stick to > > Campbell's Chunky, Crunchy Axe flavor (no corn, or cheese whatsoever). > > I think it's currently coming with a coupon you can mail in to receive > > your free "Heroes of Chunky, Crunchy Axe" poster featuring Bernd Basmer, > > Tore Ostby, Michael Romeo and friends. > >
Mister Carlos Alfaro said: > Joe , joe! I know ill get flamed here but.. i think romeo belongs with the > corn and cheese :)
No, no...... No flames forthcoming. A bit of disagreement though! ;0
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> Bernardo (AKA Mc-Merc) wrote: > >enclosed in another song. This is NOT a Japanese release, so what is > >this? A European release? Does anybody know, maybe AL (the > >Ytse-Crotchtologist)?
What warranted this attack? What did I miss?
AL wrote: > Doh! That's OK. I just signed you up for the Hanson fan club. > (you should be getting your starter kit in 6-8 weeks)
*LOL*
> Do you or a friend have a GPS? What is your global position? > Could you please narrow it down to sub-minute-of-angle? I want to try out > Some new hardware I purchased from Israel.
*Magellan pees self* :) Too funny!
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> SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Metallica, the > heavy metal group known for the > head-banging hit ``Enter Sandman,'' has a > new gig with the most unlikely of > collaborators: the San Francisco Symphony.
Wow, this sounds really cool! It would rock if they turned this into a CD!
--
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:20:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Mike Portnoy's drumkits Message-ID: <19990108052011.9094.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
I was just curious as to which kit Mike Portnoy played at the holiday shows this year. Was It the Mammoth "Purple fade to White" kit or the smaller kit found in the Five Years In a Livetime video for the fanclub show? Also which kit do think is the best of the kits Mike Portnoy has played? I really think the best he has had so far is the Purple/White one. Although I think it would be cool to see some other versions of this kit. (i.e. the Red fade to white[Japan kit] and the Green fade to white[Europe kit]) Maybe a navy blue to white or a black to grey. What do you guys think??
Later all
== John
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:29:41 -0700 From: Alex Smith <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: john cage Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990107222941.007ec320@azstarnet.com>
>> John Cage! My band was gonna cover that one song of his, 4'33". Only we >> were gonna play it 4 times as fast - in 1 minute 8 seconds. Cuz we're all >> that. >> :) >> > >PLEASE don't expect me to fall for that one... I don't know if the other >people on this list are as "culturally advanced" as I. =) (Note the >smilie, I don't REALLY think that I'm any better than anybody else here) > >Anybody who wants to know the catch to this one, just ask, but for now, >anybody who doesn't know it will just be blind to the joke.
I think Cage's 4.33 falls into the same category as Beethoven's incredible Tenth Symphony (especially the fifth movement), the beautiful sounds of Dvorak's "Canadian" String Quartet (or was it Quintet?), and Tchaikovsky's famous ballet "Goose Lake".
Any Philip Glass fans lurking around in prog-rock land?
Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com
"To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables
"Everyone walks the same Expecting me to step The narrow path they've laid They claim to walk unafraid I'll be clumsy instead Hold my love me or leave me high." -REM
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 01:03:52 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Dream Theater Tourography completed (sort of) Message-ID: <4.1.19990108010105.00a8c1e0@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
I have finally entered in all the dates & locations for 1997 & 1998. If anyone finds a mistake, please let me know. (Some shows which were cancelled are in there because I want to make a note of why the show was cancelled.) So, all you traders out there who want others to see your 1997/98 collection, go log in and add those shows to your collection!
Oh, and I have the venues for all the shows, I just haven't entered them in yet.
And, set lists are on their way! :) Don't understand what I'm talking about? Follow the URL at the bottom.
Take care, Bogie
Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
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