YTSEJAM Digest 4552
Today's Topics:
1) octobans and drumsets
by "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
2) Two Sides - Left or Right?
by IceQD@aol.com
3) New Tony Levin Book
by "Chris Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
4) Re: Ian Crichton
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
5) Re: LTE in LA!?!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Metallica, Matos
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
7) Korg DW8000
by Awake77@aol.com
8) Octoban prices
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4550
by Cooz33@aol.com
10) angra
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) Re: Ian Crichton
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
12) Re: New Tony Levin Book
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
13) Re: Andre Matos - Angra and DT
by guillermo moloche <gmoloche@midway.uchicago.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4550
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
15) Boot Vid
by "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
16) Re: Boot Vid
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
17) Andre Matos
by "Pedro Olmo Stancioli Vaz de Melo" <prvmelo@brhs.com.br>
18) Re: Andre Matos
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
19) SOME Jens
by "Mc-Merc" <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:23:22 -0600
From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: octobans and drumsets
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>why are octobans so damn expensive? my brother was thinking of getting a
>set of octobans but at the local music store they cost $1000. His drumset
>was $1200... how can 4 small drums be worth almost the same as a 6-piece
>drumset? was the price we were quoted way too high, or is there something
>i don't know about octobans that makes it worth the money? moo.
>The price quoted is pretty much correct. Also up there in price: Congas.
>Which will run 2-3000 depending on quality. Drums are expensive.. drumsets
>are about the cheapest thing you can get.. which is why I have a set and not
>the set of congas and bongos I've been dreaming of.
Depends on the set of drums you have. I just priced a 7 peice set at
$3800.
Jason
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>i don't know about octobans that makes it worth the money? moo.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:42:18 EST
From: IceQD@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Two Sides - Left or Right?
Message-ID: <b580a5e1.36965f9a@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/8/99 6:08:37AM, you write:
>MICHAEL.ANGELO. talked about this very thing (he's the most
>ambidextrous goutarist I've ever seen)
Has trouble with his feet then does he? ('Gout' as in goutarist)
heheheheheh
Is that as in both feet or just the left one or the right one?
Ice Queen
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:52:39 -0800
From: "Chris Stearns" <cjstearns@feist.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: New Tony Levin Book
Message-ID: <199901081942.NAA12574@wichita.fn.net>
Just Curious if anyone got the new Tony Levin book "Beyond the Bass Clef"
and had any reviews. In my grubby little hand I hold the papa bear order
form and a check for $15, ready to buy. Let me know.
If this was already talked about sorry I've been out of the loop for
months.
Later
CJBass
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:48:50 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Ian Crichton
Message-ID: <002f01be3b3f$f5055b60$0201010a@chuck>
>Ok all you guitar fanatics, why I haven't I ever heard Ian Crichton
>mentioned here on the jam?
Damn. I'd never actually listened to the guy myself, but if he and Petrucci
share styles, it makes me more anxious for Asia to get their next album
done. Yup, Ian is recording the guitars with them. I didn't know who he
was until now. That last album (Arena) just wasn't as good without a classy
shredder like Pitrelli on board or a moody badass like Steve Howe.
Anyway, there's some more Ian Crichton content for ya. :)
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:55:04 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: LTE in LA!?! Message-ID: <199901081955.LAA28516@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Syrinx thus begged: > > They're playing at NAMM. >
That is correct, LTE will be playing NAMM, I'll be there... it's kinda late to get passes for NAMM... and it'll cost some big bucks, but if you're interested, I might be able to swing passes for any interested... today is Friday 1/8/99... I will take requests up to 9pm PST for NAMM passes..
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:10:25 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Metallica, Matos Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.990108150407.89760A-100000@archa10.cc.uga.edu>
To all you people who're acting like it's Metallica's fault that the press hasn't given due credit to bands like Savatage and Symphony X, fuck you.
As for Andre Matos, I've always considered him a good enough singer. He has occasional female tendencies and his voice lacks the earthshattering power of, say, Russel Allen, but he does what he does well and he's not a singer that renders a potentially great band unlistenable like, say, Phil Anselmo (at least as of late).
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Nevermore--The Politics of Ecstasy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith ktulu@arches.uga.edu
"Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God." -Joe DeAngelo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:12:20 EST From: Awake77@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Korg DW8000 Message-ID: <12cd6aee.369666a4@aol.com>
Hey all, Just a quick question/need advice post: Ive got a chance to get a Korg DW8000 for $260.00 in good shape. Do any of you guys have one? Is it worth the price? Are the sounds it makes really unique, or should I put the money to a Korg N1 rack Ive been thinking about? Of course, Im really interested because it was the synth Kevin Moore used on WDADU, but if it is a genuinely cool keyboard and would be a worthwhile addition to my ever-growing collection on paraphenalia, then that would be my reason for buying it. Could anyone who has used or has one please email me a quick review? Thanks! -Chris
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:43 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Octoban prices Message-ID: <199901082013.MAA20595@knight.axnet.net>
You buy drumsets as exactly that, sets. In other words, you're getting a bulk rate on the kit. Manufacturers don't consider the drumset to be a single instrument. Each piece, to them, is a separate entity and you're getting a deal by buying a bunch of them at once. Look at the price of really nice snares. I've seen some Noble and Cooley brass snares for $300 and up. By four of these and you're looking at $1200. The same applies to octobans, or any other piece of drum hardware (with the possible exception of small stuff like cowbells or wind chimes). Further, since hardly anyone uses octobans, they tend to be a bit pricier. And further still, since it's a piece of percussion, the price is inflated anyway. Your best bet is to find someone who already has them, and just sample his (or her) shit. -Rahul Ananda
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:21:56 EST From: Cooz33@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4550 Message-ID: <11b1fa86.369668e4@aol.com>
does anybody out there have a cd copy of the august 8, 1998 D.T show at the hampton beach casino please e-mail me if you do and a trade or purchase can be set up
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:26:48 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: angra Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809190@messaging>
Christian submissively muttered: <<<<I can't see how somebody can listen once to a couple songs from a band that has multi-layered, complex arrangements and say they "lack emotion". I was already familiar with Andre Matos's style of music from his Viper days, but every time Angra puts an album out I can't "get it" until I listen to the CD at least 3 times. If there is no emotion to "Make Believe", "Lisbon" and "Holy Land" I want to be a monkey in a clown suite. I think you are making the same mistake as people that listen to Metropolis once and say DT is all about technique and no emotion. I am not saying everyone is going to like Angra, just that their music, like Dream Theater, is not about "instanct gratification". Ok, I'll shut up now.>>>>
I don't mean that every song they have lacks emotion. I'll be the first one to say that I'll give any band a chance. I did, and maybe I picked the wrong songs (and that doesn't mean I'll never like Angra - I probably will after I give them a better chance). I don't like Andre's voice much, and that probably won't change, but then again, I like Jane's Addiction. A band can only show emotion through their music if the listener is open to it (and in the mood for it) when he/she listens to it, and I wasn't in the mood. I picked up Fireworks from a local record store (Rockaway had it, for those of us in the Mesa/Tempe/Phoenix area) yesterday, but I haven't had a chance to listen to it much (I just got Nightwish's 'Oceanborn', which has been occupying most of my time lately). So cut me some fucking slack and let it sink in.... :)
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:17:37 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Ian Crichton Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990108171708.9714A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> I've never seen any interviews where Petrucci says that Crichton was > an influence, but I'd have to say that he was the single biggest > influence to Petrucci's style that I've ever heard. > > I think I'll be picking up more Saga...
Or the next Asia album, which will feature Ian on guitar as well.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Chris Stearns <cjstearns@feist.com> Subject: Re: New Tony Levin Book Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990108171746.9714B-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Just Curious if anyone got the new Tony Levin book "Beyond the Bass Clef" > and had any reviews. In my grubby little hand I hold the papa bear order > form and a check for $15, ready to buy. Let me know. > If this was already talked about sorry I've been out of the loop for > months.
I actually got this yesterday on the basis of Portnoy's recommendation, and read the thing within a matter of hours. It's not a bass book. It's basically stories from all facets of tony's career (damn, no lte stories!) and makes for *very* insightfull reading, espically those of you who either do not know what it's like to tour or to be handcuffed by a reacord label. VERY MUCH RECOMMENDED.
- mike.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:59:48 -0600 (CST) From: guillermo moloche <gmoloche@midway.uchicago.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Andre Matos - Angra and DT Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990108153238.13804A-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Phil Carter wrote:
> 1) I have listened to Rob Halford and own four Priest albums > 2) I have listened to Ronnie James Dio and own five Dio albums > 3) I have listened to Pavarotti and own eight discs with Pavarotti in > starring roles > 4) It *still* took me some time to get used to Matos' voice, although I > love it now.
I remember too, that at first I listened to "Angels Cry" and I couldn't stand such high-pitched voice. I even skipped "Wuthering Heights". I gave it a couple of listenings and I forgot about it. After a while, some songs started to come back to me. I listened to it again and I was hooked. But I also remember that I got into DT in a similar way, I bought "Awake" out of curiosity, didn't impress me much at first, some time passed, gave it another chance and DT got a new fan.
> 5) You're being a dick. (tm, Madsman)
Thank you for the compliment.
> And maybe it IS his voice. Some people don't care for it. Deal with it. > People have used this "you should buy a better stereo" argument before > and it's utterly full of holes. I don't give a good goddamn how poor the > stereo equipment is, buying a better stereo or adjusting the controls > isn't going to magically turn the music (or vocals) that you're > listening to into something you loved -- if you hated it before.
That's true. But it's also true that it's more difficult to listen to complex music through a cheap boombox. Distortion at high frequencies and lack of response at the lower frequencies can actually change and even ruin the music. Low volume also dampens the highs and the lows. So I like to hear my music loud and with good equipment. Of course you're not going to notice much difference if you listen to simple pop songs.
> Yes, numerous times. Did you miss the recent complaints, right here, > about James' performance on OIAL, specifically on "Voices"?
Yes, James is less impressive there and in his live recordings, generally speaking (there are exceptions but less, lately). But I was talking about James in "Awake". And "Voices" (studio version) is his best singing performance ever. Period. "Metropolis I" is a close second. I think James is wasting himself singing things like "You Not Me". I read in the latest fanzine that he is now into Elton John-type ballads. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but if he doesn't practice the heavier stuff, it's going to show in his live performances.
> "Fireworks" is in fact a great album but I don't think that Loureiro and > Bittencourt sound like Petrucci does; their tone and attack are > completely different. The solos in "Extreme Dream", though, are very > tasty and feature some very skillful interplay between the two.
I didn't wrote that Angra sounded like Petrucci. I wrote (or I meant) that the solos in "Paradise" and "Speed" had Petrucci influences. I don't know enough music theory, but I'm sure that any guitarist with formal training can support that. By the way, "Extreme Dream" is also one of my favourites.
Guillermo (np "Metal Icarus" - Angra)
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:03:29 -0500 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: <bacchus@azstarnet.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4550 Message-ID: <19990108230346.MAC10240@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey, Alex said: >Any Philip Glass fans lurking around in prog-rock land?
Just watched Kundun with his soundtrack as a matter of fact. AND he's coming to town this month, though I doubt I'll have the $$ to shell out. I'm going to miss Marcus Roberts this weekend due to funding constraints. Dammit...
>KorgbaccaX3 will drink beer from the empty skull of Michael Kamen.
Now, now Korgy... Without Mr. Kamen, we wouldn't have the third side to Extreme's "III Sides" album, nor would we have Queen's "Who Wants To Live Forever". Be careful of whose skulls you make snifters. Or pilsners, in this case.
Stodgers
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:26:26 PST From: "A_Change of_Seasons" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Boot Vid Message-ID: <19990108232627.7877.qmail@hotmail.com>
hey all you jammers!
I just picked up a boot Vid of a Irving Plaza, NYC date on the FII tour dated 11/22/97 -- two months after the release. Plus, this is the most enthusiastic response I've seen in any crowd to a group. Everybody's singing the lyrics, etc. etc...... Any questions I've had about DT in concert are put to rest with this video. They ROCK HARD!! But you already knew that......
2 questions:
1) Which of you New Yorkers managed to get this feast on video tape? It was taped from what looks like a balcony. The sound isn't that good but it is a VERY GOOD tape. 2) Anybody else have this??
Responses would be helpful, either private or the jam..... Take it easy! "POJ" =o)
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Boot Vid Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990108183455.6350B-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: A_Change of_Seasons <appoggiatura@hotmail.com> > Subject: Boot Vid > > > Everybody's singing the lyrics, etc. etc...... Any questions I've had > about DT in concert are put to rest with this video. They ROCK HARD!! > > 2 questions:
what happenned to not having any questions? liar.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:20:28 -0300 From: "Pedro Olmo Stancioli Vaz de Melo" <prvmelo@brhs.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Andre Matos Message-ID: <199901090101.XAA23164@smtp-gw.homeshopping.com.br>
Last month I went to an ANGRA's show and I would like to say that it was the best show i've ever being! Andre Matos shown he has power, charisma and technique. For those who likes Angra please check an italian band called rhapsody! PS: please forgive my english :)
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:19:53 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Andre Matos Message-ID: <3696BCC9.A51238A8@caribe.net>
Pedro Olmo Stancioli Vaz de Melo wrote:
> Last month I went to an ANGRA's show and I would like to say that it was > the best show i've ever being! Andre Matos shown he has power, charisma and > technique. > For those who likes Angra please check an italian band called rhapsody! > > PS: please forgive my english :)
To further coment on Matos' vocals.. well like many at first i didnt like them.. but with time ive come to appreciate his vocals... but i truly think that in order to really grasp the power and emotion of his vocals.. you need to listen to the live versions of the songs... his performance on Holy Live is incredible...and im pretty sure its really live and not overdubbed..
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:20:27 +1100 From: "Mc-Merc" <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: SOME Jens Message-ID: <004501be3b77$c40bb080$20e258cb@ld-bp>
Just 5 days ago Jens wrote:
>But i know for _sure_, somewhere in Australia, someone >is going to get visited by a plumber, sometime very soon. HTH
SOME may be good. :) What's HTH?
Regards: BP
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