YTSEJAM Digest 4573
Today's Topics:
1) re: rap, Black Crowes
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Some Symphony X MP3s (Flame Bait)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Re: thinking for yourself
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
4) DT/LTE tour complaints
by Calvin6S@aol.com
5) Fave Bassists
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
6) Re: LTE tour complaining
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
7) Closing the can of worms I opened.
by Ibanez506@aol.com
8) Re: Munchings and Crunchings
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
9) Re: Yes recomendations (very long NDTC)
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Some Symphony X MP3s (Flame Bait)
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
11) Sean Malone
by DYER <dyer@taunet.net.au>
12) Favorite Bassists Are....
by YtseJamJMB@aol.com
13) Re: MP3s
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
14) Re: Bill Watrous
by drnewb@spiff.net
15) VALEDICTION
by "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
16) Re: LTE live and complaints
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:47:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: rap, Black Crowes
Message-ID: <19990115224742.23648.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> wrote:
> To whomever didn't know a good starting point for rap: Will Smith and
> his earlier group [JJaFP], Run DMC [remember It's Tricky, My Adidas,
or You Be
> Illin'?], LL [Goin' Back to Cali], Chili Peppers [Blood Sugar Sex
Magik
> is a great album!], and Ice T.
You forgot the Beasty Boys and Snoop Doggy Dog. I think that The Red
Hot Chili Peppers are considered Rock/Funk, but that is a great album!
> NP Black Crowes: By Your Side (coooool)
That must be the new one. How is it compared to their last disc?
- BH
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:53:10 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Some Symphony X MP3s (Flame Bait)
Message-ID: <199901152253.OAA27892@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Brian Hansen thus begged:
>Andrew also wrote:
>
>> Flame away on the morals of owning MP3s of released material.
>
>Actually, I think that MP3's are great for marketing a band, and
>exposing their music to more people. If you like them, you'll most
>likely go out and buy the official disc.
Not only that... the RIAA always wants to raise prices for CD's, even though
the production cost of a single is close to NIL these days... I can
understand artists getting more royalties... but I don't support the price
gouging of the record companies... not only that... why don't they give
artists more royalties?
Hopefully widespread infestation of MP3's will drive CD prices down...
because, if we have the mp3s... what's the incentive to buy a CD?? Hell..
I'll just decode the damn thing and burn my own CDs...
BUT I DON'T SUPPORT BOOTLEGS ;)
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:23:51 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: thinking for yourself Message-ID: <19990115232352.12544.qmail@hotmail.com>
It's not like that, but let's be honest- a lot of people do that. I personally think it's sad that bands like the Goo Goo Dolls really aren't being listened to, they're being manufactured. They're a good band and I have to wonder if the people who rave the loudest about their music really listen to it since they only seem to rave about the same two songs. But that's just my view on things.
Trent
>:anything besides "Hit Machine" or what? I like a lot of popular stuff, >:but I have nothing but contempt for people who like popular stuff JUST >:BECAUSE it's popular. THEY AREN'T THINKING FOR THEMSELVES! > >this is a phenomenon that has always intrigued me. that is, the ability to >read a person's mind and understand their motivation behind buying a CD. >why is it when someone buys a CD that gets alot of airplay they're >instantly written off as not being able to think for themselves? > >-Andrew >_____________________________________________________ >subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com >keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock > > > >
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:27:23 EST From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT/LTE tour complaints Message-ID: <59278061.369fcedb@aol.com>
In response to people complaining that DT/LTE hasn't been to their city or country in quite awhile (or ever):
"Some of you lot are you some damned selfish and self centred, "
If taken the wrong way. I just take the complaints as exaggerations aimed at the band saying "hey, if you aren't touring my city because of lack of interest - I'm letting you know there is interest"
I haven't read all of them. Some complaints may have been rude, but I'm sure any "demands" to tour "my" city is just a creative way to BEG for DT to consider their city as a possible place to include on any upcoming tours.
I'm sure everyone realizes how hard the DT guys tour, record, and work on side projects. Quite frankly, I don't see how DT is going to be ready for the studio after every single member has been involved in MANY side projects that have already tapped their creative well. If I was in DT, I'd just record the FII "rejects" and Metropolis Part 2 and take it "easy" while giving the fans what most want.
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:57:49 +1100 From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Fave Bassists Message-ID: <001701be40e2$dc3fae20$093a4e81@rpandean>
Just a quick list of some of my favourite bass players (in no particular order except for Jamerson)
James Jamerson, Jaco Pastorius, Francis Rocco Prestia, John Paul Jones, John Entwistle, Paul McCartney, Percy Jones, Gary Willis
Out of the newer players, I really dig Stewart Zender and P-Nut
A lot of my favourite bass players aren't necessarily in the metal or prog rock genre because in these genres the bass is often condemned to doubling guitar lines, rather than playing with the drums. That doesn't mean that there aren't many great bass players in metal, it's just that they don't often get to show their wares.
Rainer
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:27:11 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: LTE tour complaining Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.01.9901151925320.4422-100000@viking.cris.com>
Isaac Sabetai wrote:
> Re: the length of the LTE tour. > > It's such a shame the tour is so short. I mean MP and JP certainly don't > have anything better to in early February... It's not like DT is > scheduled to go into the studio or anything unimportant like that...
Clearly, the people who replied to this (GaZ, Syrinx) didn't catch the sarcasm. Heh.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:37:38 EST From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Closing the can of worms I opened. Message-ID: <f994f276.369fdf52@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/15/99 12:53:11 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< Ok, im tired of everyone going "please mike this or that" , hey , its good enought LTE is playing a couple of dates, we all know 4 busy people with crazy shedules are hard to find time to do this, didnt all of you read the liners for LTE 1??! I mean the guy must feel pretty pissed off when he finds available dates to tour, and then having people ask him to tour whatever city ....im pretty sure that if the schedules wouldve fit they wouldve had more dates...i mean i feel we should be thankful for the ones they have, and happy for the people who get to see them.. and hopefull that good recordings will come out of the shows... not pestering Mp for more dates when im sure thats all they can do... >>
Ok this is the very reason I prefer to lurk. The rest of this post will be used to defend myself so if you don't care move along.
I was merely dissapointed that LTE will not be playing in the mid-west. I know that Chicago is very good to DT and Tony Levin has said that he loves to play there. Now all you fuckers jump down my throat for being selfish. Which I am not. If I was selfish I wouldn't bother to drive out of town to 3 differant cities to see DT. For those of you that have money burning holes in your pocket and have the luxury of flying to see them thats fuckin great I'm very happy for you. There are those of us that either don't have the cash or are too young and the powers that be (Mom and Dad) wouldn't let them fly cross country for a show. In closing I would like to say GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY BACK! Juli
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:12:17 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Munchings and Crunchings Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990115201058.10082E-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: Daniel Koo <z2228593@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au> > Subject: Re: Munchings and Crunchings > > isn't it funny that we say it is possible to say that you like > something (e.g. genre of music) if you just like a subset of > that "something" (e.g. a particular band) but you can't say that > you dislike that "something" even if you dislike a subset of it(e.g. > 1 or more bands from that genre)?
i dono't think you can say either. i know i don't like all prog, even though i haven't heard any yet that i didnty like. i'm sure somewhere out there there's something i don't like. spastic ink is close, but it manages to rock ass by being so weird :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:18:17 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Yes recomendations (very long NDTC) Message-ID: <19990116011819.20786.qmail@hotmail.com>
Thanks. Your was definitley the most useful response I received. Thanks again.
Trent
> >"Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> writes and wonders: > >> I know this isn't DT content, but since Yes is a prog band and the >members of this list seem to have an admiration for them, I thought I'd >ask for a recommendation of Yes albums for a curious *potential* fan. I >can't think of very many Yes songs that I've heard, so that's why I need >recommendations. Thanks in advance > >Wow... Yes is soooo... diverse a group. Where to start? Where did I start?.... >"Union"!!! Yes!!! (no pun intended |-)... "Union" (IMHO) defines the whole of >Yes because most of the musicians that have ever been in Yes are on this >album. "Union" has some of the old, some of the new, some of the quiet slower >stuff (i.e.. "The More We Live" the Floydish "Angkor Wat") and some of their >harder stuff (i.e.. "Shock to the System" and "Miracle of Life"). If you >listen for guitar styles like I do, it has some of Steve Howe's (early Yes, >70's classic stuff) style with "Masquerade" and some of Trever Rabin's (later >80's stuff) with "Dangerous". It is also very proggy (the coolest time changes >ever heard by human ears, and some excellent harmonies! |-). "Union" is one of >Yes' best albums IMHO. It also has the coolest Roger Dean album cover art! >Unfortunately I missed this tour because of Military duties |-(. >Get "Union" first, then, if you are interested, I would go for one of the more >modern albums like "90125" (1983) (Now, I know you've heard something off this >album: "Owner of a Lonely Heart", "Hold On", "Changes", "Leave It"); "Big >Generator" (1987) (kindof a follow up to 90125); or "Talk" (1994) (One of my >favorites). >After one of these, or if you want to jump right into some the older classic >stuff, I would get both of the "Keys to Ascension" double albums released in >1996 and 1997. These are by far the best collection of classic live stuff ever >put out by the band. They also have new studio tracks on them that are really >excellent because they were written and performed by the original members >(Squire, Anderson, Howe, Wakeman, White). The new songs sound like a total >evolution of the band, instead of the "modern" sound that Yes tried to get in >the 80's (not that the 80's stuff was bad, just different). The album that I >wasn't too pleased with (and haven't bought so far) is their new album called >"Open Your Eyes". From what I've heard, they've kindof strayed from their >"calling"... I would recommend OYE to only the most hard-core Yes fan, and >then hesitantly... Well, I could babble on about Yes all day so I'll quit >before I take up the whole JAM... Hope this helps. > >Josh S. > >NP: Yes - Union: Angkor Wat > >################################################# >http://members.aol.com/Darth1/progmanic.html > - My Personal Web page - > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStip/Studio/8435 > - My Progressive Rock/Metal page - > >ICQ# - 5071657 >################################################# > >===================================================== >"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are >wonderful." -- Ann Landers >===================================================== >
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:23:46 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Some Symphony X MP3s (Flame Bait) Message-ID: <19990116012346.5482.qmail@hotmail.com>
Of course they do, b/c they know the American public will pay it. Any why not??? Up until recently they never had an alternative (if I can use that word on a prog metal mailing list :o) ). Thanks to mp3s, the fat cat RIAA now has some competition over how music will be listened to. I think the best part of all this is that there's no freakin' way that you can wholly stamp out mp3 trading. I live for the day when a *GOOD* CD costs $8 or $9 and not just the crappy ones.
Trent
>Not only that... the RIAA always wants to raise prices for CD's, even though >the production cost of a single is close to NIL these days... I can >understand artists getting more royalties... but I don't support the price >gouging of the record companies... not only that... why don't they give >artists more royalties? > >Hopefully widespread infestation of MP3's will drive CD prices down... >because, if we have the mp3s... what's the incentive to buy a CD?? Hell.. >I'll just decode the damn thing and burn my own CDs... > >BUT I DON'T SUPPORT BOOTLEGS ;) > > >-The Doc > >-- >> drkhoe@gmsnet.com >> http://progmetal.gmsnet.com >> Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire >> thing cause it'll crash. >
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:50:22 +1000 From: DYER <dyer@taunet.net.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Sean Malone Message-ID: <1295631474-207967071@smtp.octa4.net.au>
I said:
>> My fave bassist is Sean Malone... anxiously waiting to recieve Gordian >> Knot... listening to Cynic and Cortlandt alot lately in anticipation :)
Then Roger said:
>What if Sean Malone joined Opeth? Hummm... Just wondering... :-)
Now I say:
And if Sean Rienert were to follow him......Opeth would have the best rythhm section in the business...:)
ahhh...dreams....
Paul D.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:23:44 EST From: YtseJamJMB@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Favorite Bassists Are.... Message-ID: <ebe38a9f.36a00640@aol.com>
My favorite bassists are...
John Myung for his speed, dexterity, and how fluid he plays Billy Sheehan for his incredible speed and his tapping skills with harmonics Tony Levin for his diversity in the bass section and for his work in LTE Stu Hamm for just being a kick ass player and Geddy Lee for being able to play bass and sing at the same time,,,something i could never do:) He also kicks serious ass!!!
Also does anyone plan on tabbing out some bass tabs for Platypus I am working on it now, wanted to know if anyone wanted to help.
Later Jammers, Justin
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:51:48 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: MP3s Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990115215148.007ad430@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
today I used for the first time an MP3 walkman, it's kind of cool, you can move the damn thing as much as you want and you'll get the sound always as it was recorded... I didnt like that it just supports 30 megs, I guess I would like to buy one sometime when it holds near the capacity of a CD (= --- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/2025/
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:06:11 -0600 From: drnewb@spiff.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Bill Watrous Message-ID: <199901160509.VAA22907@knight.axnet.net>
Hey, I know this isn't exactly DTC, or even necessarily "prog" (whatever that is :) related, but for anyone who digs some technical, yet very smooth jazz trombone, definitely check out Bill Watrous. I just got back from seeing him with Carl Fontana in St. Louis and it was just flat amazing.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:18:19 -0600 From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" <jfqc@nl1.telmex.net.mx> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: VALEDICTION Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990116001819.00798180@nl1.telmex.net.mx>
Hi!
Look what I found: Taken from=20 http://www.angular-records.com/newse.htm#TheOtherSide
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-= * Valediction: Attention fans of Stryper, Yngwie, Impellitteri, and Neoclassical/Progressive Metal: This is expected to be one of the hottest albums for 1999! We hope to get the European edition.
VALEDICTION
feat.: Robert Sweet (Stryper) =96 Drums=20 Michael Bailey (Danger Angel) =96 Lead & Rhythm Guitars=20 Dan Wilkinson (The Calm / Armageddon) =96 Bass=20 Kevin Potter (Taker) =96 Vocals=20 Rob Johnson (Magnitude) =96 Lead Guitar=20 P.J. Bussey (The Calm / Armageddon) =96 Nylon String & Classical Guitars=20 Joseph Anastacio Glean (Magnitude 9) =96 Keyboards=20
More information? www.valediction.com =20
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:41:48 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: LTE live and complaints Message-ID: <007001be411b$585c02a0$4b0d84d0@default>
>And some of you who live on other continents... there's just no end to >this madness....
Oh, yah??! Well, someday, Mosh, you're going to crack off and fall into the ocean and where will you be then? Huh? hehehe. Glub, glub's where you'll be, YAH! :)
> Ok this is the very reason I prefer to lurk. The rest of this post will >used to defend myself so if you don't care move along.
lol. Sometimes I don't blame you. But sometimes... When I feel like no one feels like what I say has any place in their world, I just like to point at them, laugh, and take off my pants. Try it. It really shocks the hell out of some people. Just be sure to be wearing clean undies. Bosses are sticklers for cleanliness.
>that. However, Mike Blevins mentioned some retailers which might have >lower prices than the $20 or so that CDNow offers? What retailers
hehehe. I never have a problem with that. I think CDNow wanted almost $30 for TiO when I ordered it, but I just checked, Knights of the Round has it for $13.99 (German import). Put it down for postal delivery (at cost, no damn postage markups) and expect David to have it to you in just a week or so. I can never harp enough about those guys. Here's ya a shortcut. http://www.knightsoftheround.com/zcats.htm It takes a minute to load tho.
And while you're waiting for your CD to show, enjoy listening to a nice Church of the Machine MP3... http://www.safelink.net/washburn/church_of_the_machine.mp3 and maybe even an Ocean Machine one, too... http://www.safelink.net/washburn/voices_in_the_fan.mp3
Don't try my links until tomorrow though. I'm gonna leave my machine on to upload them tonight whilst I nuzzle my pillow.
Enjoy! -- KorgX3 ponders beachfront property in Idaho.
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