YTSEJAM Digest 4577
Today's Topics:
1) Miss Ogyny & I.M.Mature...
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
2) DT/LTE tour complaints (flavoured with some NDTC spieces)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) Since I've Been Loving You MP3
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
4) Monkey's Ass!
by IceQD@aol.com
5) Madonna
by IceQD@aol.com
6) Moe down, matt on 6:00, chris on bassists
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
7) Re: MP3s / DT in the studio
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) Re: Monkey's Ass!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) Wazwho?
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
10) the chick protest :)
by Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com>
11) Re: Madonna
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
12) First time. . .
by "Tom Walling" <tomwalling@hotmail.com>
13) MP3's the flip side
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
14) mp3 encoder
by =?Windows-1252?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?= <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
15) After A Little Research .......
by IceQD@aol.com
16) I need MP3s
by "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
17) Re: After A Little Research .......
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:48:23 -0600
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Miss Ogyny & I.M.Mature...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990117084821.006b5848@adam.enteract.com>
>From: IceQD@aol.com
>Subject: In Support of Female Musos ......
>
>In a message dated 1/16/99 6:21:45PM, 'someone' wrote:
>
>>People should look into some more cats...
>
>I like cats, especially toy ones that you don't have to feed ...
Um...okay. Sure. You just keep playing with your Talking Stipmy doll over
in the corner...
>I would like to say now that I find it very tiresome to see the attacks that
>have been going on against a certain person called 'Ayame Yuki' on this list.
>Whether this person is a 'spoof' member of the list or not is irrelevant.
>SOME people seem to think that this person is young and female. This may
well
>be true and, if it is so, she doesn't need the comments recently made by a
>certain 'Someone'.
>
>It is difficult enough to make your away in the music business as a FEMALE
>without 'someone' picking on you. Often there are several 'someones'
(usually
>MALE). Personally I always 'speak my mind' to these people (sometimes
just by
>DOING things BETTER than they do). We female musicians have to encounter
>enough misogyny along the way WITHOUT having it fostered on this list.
>
>Thank You.
You're quite welcome.
But now, I must take a moment to share with you the fact that I got a good
laugh at this. Go ahead and flame me; the people who know me on this list
will recognize my sense of humor.
But, if you'll allow me to debate your points above. You see, if you've
missed the past 50 jams or so, you'd have missed the fact that this "Ayame
Yuki" person has invited all the nasty things said his/her way. When you
run around on a mailing list of 1000+ claiming things to be true, yet you
have no proof of this other than your own word, you're inviting trouble.
When you verbally assault people for doubting your assertions, you deserve
what you get. It doesn't matter if you're male or female (or otherwise);
young or old, native english speaking or not. It's that "Golden Rule" thing.
As for being female, it's sad to see some people crying "oppression" when
there's really no reason to. Yes, I realize the whole salary/promotion
inequities; I'm not here to debate that. I've been moved to devote one of
my 2 yearly posts to address this because I don't think a certain "Someone"
(or any other, ethereal someones) needs you to yell at them for no
wrongdoing. I am female, relatively young, and I used to be on the whole
"music business" track. (doubt it? I'll send you my transcripts) But, for
reasons of my own, I've decided to go down another road. It has NOTHING to
do with the fact that I'm femaly; it came mostly as a result of seeing
other friends, both male and female, floundering in their careers, being
unable to achieve that what they set out to do. It's not a gender issue. I
assure you, if I had kept at my music studies, and had become as good of a
musician as a certain "Someone"; I'd probably be flying down the road of
musical wellness, simply because I *am* female. I think, if you take a
moment to look around, you'll see that there are quite a few females in the
music industry: artists, producers, engineers, directors, entertainment
lawyers, etc.
So please, don't cry "unfair" when there's no reason to do so. If you truly
believe your gender is a liability, then I feel sorry for you, because
you've come up against a personal hurdle. Just don't presume to speak for
all of us young/old, male/female, people/aliens on the list, because I
think everyone is mature enough here to have their own life.
-Maddy
"Operating systems are like sausages...you just don't want to know what
goes into them." Jean-Louis Gassee, creator of BeOS
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:24:09 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: DT/LTE tour complaints (flavoured with some NDTC spieces)
Message-ID: <36A20EA9.C8A846C5@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:27:23 EST
> From: Calvin6S@aol.com
> Subject: DT/LTE tour complaints
>
> Some complaints may have been rude, but I'm sure any "demands" to
> tour "my" city is just a creative way to BEG for DT to consider
> their city as a possible place to include on any upcoming tours.
> I'm sure everyone realizes how hard the DT guys tour, record, and
> work on side projects.
It's all a matter of getting used to it! It's all a matter of WHAT is
your concept for "normal".
USA folks complain, complain, complain and complain why they have to
drive 2 hours to see DT show, while I'm lucky that I even had the chance
to see DT coming "so close" - Budapest! Travelling thru 3 countries is
something you'll never experience! But you complain! Why? Because you're
used to see DT, and when they visit the neghbourhood village you freak
out and curse!
Or complaints like: "Damn, I was driving for 20 minutes down the blocks
because the punk on the crossroads showed me the wrong direction to the
gig!"
You US folks might not get it, but it sounds SO stupid to us! But,
you're used to it and you want more privilidges! I'm used to it and next
level toward fullfilling my dream would be DT coming few kilometers
lower. Or again Budapest, which I woulnd't complain about! And who
knows, by the time Petrucci's son start being special guest on DT gigs,
Skopje might become metropolis and I'll see DT in my home-town with my
grandkid riding my back on TTT!
Or we can speed the process! How about starting another war, in the only
ex-YU republic that didn't enter into war! That way, Pavvarotti, U2, and
maybe DT will visit us! And who knows, Savatage might write another
piece of art! Yo Greeks, c'mon o'er and call the Bulgarians and Serbs to
join the party!
> Quite frankly, I don't see how DT is going to be ready for the
> studio after every single member has been involved in MANY side
> projects that have already tapped their creative well. If I was
> in DT, I'd just record the FII "rejects" and Metropolis Part 2
> and take it "easy" while giving the fans what most want.
This is very true! I think I can live with that! :)
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:18:17 PST
> From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yes recomendations (very long NDTC)
>
> Thanks. Your was definitley the most useful response I received.
> Thanks again.
> >Get "Union" first, then, if you are interested, I would go for one
> >of the more modern albums like "90125" (1983)
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! NO! Damn, he got this poor kid! Trent boy, get outta
there and move Closer to the Edge! :)
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:34:52 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Since I've Been Loving You MP3 Message-ID: <4.1.19990117122924.00a9aed0@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
I've posted an MP3 of Dream Theater's rendition of Since I've Been Loving You by Led Zeppelin from The Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA -- 12/27/98 in the Audio section of Lines in the Sand. For those of you who don't have the URL, see my signature.
The only catch is you have to be registered to download it. But, registration is an _easy and quick_ process, and it makes the web site more interactive for the user. The big feature of registration is that you gain access to the Dream Theater Trading Post, which allows you to view lists of traders while viewing the tourography. But, hey, if none of this makes sense to you, just visit the damn site and figure out why a lot of people are excited about this web site.
Enjoy the MP3, Bogie
Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:32:13 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Monkey's Ass! Message-ID: <f489c2f6.36a21e9d@aol.com>
Hi y'all
Heheheheheh too funny! I never checked the url in the first place because (in the words of Nicky Lemons) I don't give a "Monkey's Ass!" I make my point (in this case it's not called flaming it's called defending someone I believe to have been attacked, which I don't HAVE to do, but feel I should) then I move on ....
Also the reason WHY the ladies are getting anywhere in the biz nowadays (myself included) is BECAUSE they stood up to those who put them down, carried on regardless (I like Carry On Films) and also just made sure they did things better.
Ice Queen Credibility is in the eye of the beholder.
In a message dated 1/17/99 1:45:49PM, you write:
>Do you want to see >the logical fallacy (I can think of 2 actually) that such double standards >fall under, or would you like to just surf that URL again yourself? Check >your ass for excess holes... your credibility seems to be dribbling away >somehow. > >- Chris
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:45:41 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Madonna Message-ID: <2471b650.36a23de5@aol.com>
Madonna's new album, Ray of Light kicks major butt imho! Especially the track Frozen ...... Her singing has improved big time since she trained her voice for Evita.
Ice Q
In a message dated 1/17/99 1:45:49PM, Trent wrote:
>Madonna (ditto for bigger prominence)
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:51:30 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Moe down, matt on 6:00, chris on bassists Message-ID: <19990117195130.12501.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi there, Neil, I have that song on a live recording, but couldn't find it on a studio record. A couple of weeks ago I asked here if sb has the tab or knows where to find it - do YOU?
Matt, I disagree, the intro sounds too much like triplets, so I tend to go w/ Brad until somebody comes up with something that makes even more sense.
Chris, you don't have to be a monster to do something for the music, especially a song. I agree, learning to play like Jason Newsted might not take 10 years, but if you listen to his lines and a song you might get some insight. On the other hand watching and listening to Dave LaRue will push you in other dimensions if yoiu know what to take and apply to your own play.(Billy Sheehans Niacin IS new territory for him, though I might state.) Then there is TMS who is VERY capable, but keeps the groove straight and easy(on his own music). Not in disagreement, just a thought.
seb
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:53:30 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: MP3s / DT in the studio Message-ID: <199901171953.LAA13717@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Andrew Coutermarsh thus begged: > >Are you serious - you actually ripped all of your CDs? I have ripped >several songs off of my CDs, but usually only because I didn't have a >stereo (big one, at least), and it was easier to rip the songs that I >liked than it was to fish out the CD I wanted to listen to one song of. >But I only have a 2.1 gig hard drive set asidce for program files, >documents, and MP3s (I recently acquired a 515 MB drive from a friend so >that I could put my games on that), of which my MP3sx consist about >1.3-1.5 gigs. I need a bigger hard drive, too.
Ahhh... the joys of mp3... now on my LAN at home... which consists of roughly 20 gigabytes of storage... I have barely any mp3s I ripped from my cds... but tons I've downloaded or people have uploaded... not to mention the 2 gigabytes of mp3s on my public ftp server... (which some of you frequent and upload... thanks... bwhahahahah)
I don't think half the BS out there is worth buying on CD... heh heh heh -The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:18:26 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Monkey's Ass! Message-ID: <199901172018.MAA13894@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., IceQD@aol.com thus begged: > >I never checked the url in the first place because (in the words of Nicky >Lemons) I don't give a "Monkey's Ass!" I make my point (in this case it's not >Also the reason WHY the ladies are getting anywhere in the biz nowadays >(myself included) is BECAUSE they stood up to those who put them down, carried >on regardless (I like Carry On Films) and also just made sure they did things >better.
Actually... I think they only repress people who act like a Monkey's Asses... Your bull dyke attitude is showing through...
>Ice Queen >Credibility is in the eye of the beholder.
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:39:35 -0500 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Wazwho? Message-ID: <002801be4259$7f04dbe0$5a4320d8@Kez>
Some poor soul wrote: > >Please change my address from Wazoodust@aol.com to DBlasko@msn.com >
Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Good luck my little Wazoo.
And no, this is not the proper way to do it. Go to http://www.dreamtheater.net/ and look under "Mailinglists" to find out the RIGHT way. Is ANYONE paying attention?
Kez
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:14:06 +0100 From: Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: the chick protest :) Message-ID: <36A2529E.B2E3C045@stones.com>
>>People should look into some more cats... > >I like cats, especially toy ones that you don't have to feed ... > >I would like to say now that I find it very tiresome to see the attacks that >have been going on against a certain person called 'Ayame Yuki' on this list. >Whether this person is a 'spoof' member of the list or not is irrelevant. >SOME people seem to think that this person is young and female. This may well >be true and, if it is so, she doesn't need the comments recently made by a >certain 'Someone'. > >It is difficult enough to make your away in the music business as a FEMALE >without 'someone' picking on you. Often there are several 'someones' (usually >MALE). Personally I always 'speak my mind' to these people (sometimes just by >DOING things BETTER than they do). We female musicians have to encounter >enough misogyny along the way WITHOUT having it fostered on this list. > >Thank You. > >ICE BABY
I heard people often reffering to 'the cream of the cream' musicians as CATS, especially among the bass players, and because you took it out of a context it sounds like a statement from a male shovinist. Maybe you should re-read that Chris' post and I'm pretty sure you'll notice you owe the guy an apology. Furthermore, I don't think the music business is being harder on female artists. If you look from a distance you'll notice that there are far more guys playing in bands and trying to make a living with it than girls. But the fact that girls are outnumbered once again doesn't mean that they are in any kind of inferior situation. I can't seem to figure out why girls feel so threatened in music business. If you'r good hon, you have as much chance of succeeding as the next guy.. er.. girl :)
Matej (who is extremely happy that this list isn't some gay - men only list)
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:57:26 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Madonna Message-ID: <19990117215732.19988.qmail@hotmail.com>
I wouldn't know, I've never heard it. Of course I've heard (the song) "Ray Of Light", but of course that's not the same thing as hearing the actual album. It was a pretty cool song. I wanted to buy the album, but I'd be majorly shunned by my "I'm so hip" friends at school. But maybe it's worth it if it's REALLY good...
Trent
>Madonna's new album, Ray of Light kicks major butt imho!
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:03:23 PST From: "Tom Walling" <tomwalling@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: First time. . . Message-ID: <199901172203.OAA13564@f274.hotmail.com>
Hey guys,
My first post. . .wow! How about those LTE guys? I'm tired of hearing all this complaining about them not coming to your personal shithole. It's good enough for me to just think about being there- I know it would kick that much ass. So stop the bitching. OK; somebody start a new thread now. By the way, can someone kindly give me the address for the Dream Theater netradio thing? Thanks.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:57:25 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: MP3's the flip side Message-ID: <36A26AD5.B312D27D@ozemail.com.au>
There is also another side to this mp3 debate......... Besides being a great way to sample new music, it can also save you a few bucks when you d/l a mp3 that you don't like, therefore decide not to buy the CD and save yourself that horrible feeling when you put on a CD that you don't like :)
gaz
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:13:14 +0100 From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Mats_Rydstr=F6m?= <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: mp3 encoder Message-ID: <000f01be426e$fa571780$7225ed82@default>
Just a simple question: Which is the best, most compatible, user friendly, feature packed MP3 encoder? Any recommendations?
Mats - lordrosse@yahoo.com - http://lordrosse.home.ml.org
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:22:23 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: After A Little Research ....... Message-ID: <c57d24cf.36a270af@aol.com>
Some prominent women in music mentioned were:
>Sheryl Crow, Alanis >Morissette, Jewel, Sarah McLachlan, Mariah Carey (who burst into BIGGER >prominence), Madonna (ditto for bigger prominence), Celine Dion, Gwen >Stefani, Shirley Manson
]From the list above, most of the women mentioned are the traditional sterotype of female solo singer or female singer fronting a band. They do not play MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in public.
Sheryl Crow is the ONLY one (to my knowledge but I am sure there are others on the list who can enlighten me) who plays one or more instruments. I know she plays guitar and bass, both on her albums and live (mostly bass now I think from an interview I saw).
I haven't heard any music from Jewel or Sarah McLachlan and don't know if they play any instruments.
Madonna is credited as a co-writer and co-producer on her latest album, but has no credits for playing any instruments. She does not play any live to my knowledge.
Alanis Morissette plays harmonica on her first album and is credited with all the lyrics but the music is co-written. She has no credit for playing anything else.
Gwen Stefani fronts an actual BAND (No Doubt) as does Shirley Manson (Garbage) but neither APPEAR to play any instruments, they just sing. I don't have any of their albums, do they co-write?
Celine Dion and Mariah Carey are female solo vocal artists and do not APPEAR to play any instruments, although they write/co-write.
So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and live?
Ice Queen
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:28:05 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@email.psu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: I need MP3s Message-ID: <4.1.19990117182345.00c2d680@email.psu.edu>
While we're on the subject of MP3s, in the midst of converting my CD collection into MP3s, I've encountered a couple of ASPI errors. I don't know what that means, but I do know that I wasn't able to rip Lifting Shadows off a Dream from Awake, and #3 Point of View off of Disc 2 of FW's Still Life. If anyone has these MP3s available for download, let me know privately. Thanks.
Chris
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:42:30 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: After A Little Research ....... Message-ID: <000601be4273$0c29f0a0$3a1110ac@DEMCCOR.clemson.edu>
]From: IceQD@aol.com <IceQD@aol.com> Subject: After A Little Research .......
>but neither APPEAR to play any instruments, they just sing. I don't have any
uh oh, be glad james labrie doesn't subscribe to the list. although i'm sure you'll get plenty from the regulars. :) moo.
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" When I feel like no one feels like what I say has any place in their world, I just like to point at them, laugh, and take off my pants." -KorgX3
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