YTSEJAM Digest 4578
Today's Topics:
1) Re: mp3 encoder
by "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
2) Re: After A Little Research .......
by "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
3) Re: After A Little Research .......
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
4) Re: mp3 encoder
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
5) Re: prominent female musicians
by subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
6) Re: mp3 encoder
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Re: After A Little Research .......
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) Re: After A Little Research .......
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
9) Female musicians......
by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
10) Re: After A Little Research .......
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
11) Re: After A Little Research .......
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
12) Re: After A Little Research .......
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
13) Trying to arrange carpool for upcoming LTE Shows.
by Timothy Lodge <timlodge@mail1.nai.net>
14) Moe Down Tab
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net>
15) Re: madonna ciccone
by AyameYuki@aol.com
16) Re: *Chicks* who play
by Ibanez506@aol.com
17) Re: Credibility/Female Musicians
by James Hunt <p_haze@mail.utexas.edu>
18) Dairy Queen
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:41:27 -0500
From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: mp3 encoder
Message-ID: <4.1.19990117183231.00c4c660@email.psu.edu>
>Just a simple question: Which is the best, most compatible, user friendly,
>feature packed MP3 encoder? Any recommendations?
I use Audiograbber 1.4. From what I've seen, it's the easiest, most
complete ripper/encoder out there. You just pop the CD in your drive,
connect to a CDDB database (to quickly download the names of the CD and its
tracks), and let her go. You can adjust settings to suit your needs. For
example, you can customize the way AG names the file. One of my favorite
features is that it will rip the song as a wave file, convert it into an
MP3, then delete the wave file. This helps to save precious disc space.
It's pretty fast too.
There's a free version out there, but it only lets you rip half of the
songs on the CD. Of course, I have the full version. The full version is
definitely worth it if you want to fork out $25. But I might just know a
place where you can download it for free.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:47:12 -0500
From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <cxc393@email.psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: After A Little Research .......
Message-ID: <4.1.19990117184518.00c18cc0@email.psu.edu>
>So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and
>live?
Two words for you: TORI AMOS
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:59:07 -0500
From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: After A Little Research .......
Message-ID: <36A2794B.F6DDC2F1@softhome.net>
IceQD@aol.com wrote:
> So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and
> live?
>
> Ice Queen
Tori Amos comes to mind.
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:06:53 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: mp3 encoder Message-ID: <003f01be4276$7a8d3040$500d84d0@default>
>Just a simple question: Which is the best, most compatible, user friendly, >feature packed MP3 encoder? Any recommendations?
heh. I've tried hell-loads of 'em. The only one for me is AudioCatalyst. IMO, it's about the only piece of software I've ever bought worth its price. Go to http://www.audiocatalyst.com/ and download the demo. There's nothing sweeter than ripping a whole Cd in less than 15 minutes. :)
>While we're on the subject of MP3s, in the midst of converting my CD >collection into MP3s, I've encountered a couple of ASPI errors. I don't
Hmmm... It sounds like it's just the CD's. Try slowing your ripping speed down to just 1x for only those two songs. That's worked for me in the past.
>uh oh, be glad james labrie doesn't subscribe to the list. although i'm >you'll get plenty from the regulars. :) moo.
Bah. The only thing James has going for him is his pooky little ass tucked snugly in to a pair of tight leather pants. All the chicks dig it. Hell, I dig it. Well... only when I don't know it's him. (Hey, there's Gabrielle Reese! Doh! *Korg eats microphonic styrofoam*)
All the Young Dudes and all... -- KorgX3 just bent your gender.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:08:30 -0600 (CST) From: subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: prominent female musicians Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990117180530.11834B-100000@verdi.siteprotect.com>
:So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums :and live?
ever hear of Lilith Fair? they're all female musicians and they drew a larger crowd last year than HORDE, Ozzfest, etc. if that isn't prominent, i don't know what is.
-Andrew _____________________________________________________ subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:10:41 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: mp3 encoder Message-ID: <005401be4277$0bc73a60$500d84d0@default>
>example, you can customize the way AG names the file. One of my favorite >features is that it will rip the song as a wave file, convert it into an >MP3, then delete the wave file. This helps to save precious disc space.
heheh. That's the hard way, Chris. Click the MP3 button and uncheck the "Save intermediate wav file" box. Then it encodes the MP3 AS it rips. (doesn't even bother with a wav file) It might drive your ripping speed down a bit, but it seems to work alot faster for me. The only bogus part is you don't get the normalizing feature. Ah, well. Most Cd's are either digitally recorded or remastered anymore anyway.
Sorry for posting twice. :) This came through as I sent the last one. -- KorgX3
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:22:57 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: After A Little Research ....... Message-ID: <199901180022.QAA15336@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., IceQD@aol.com thus begged: > >]From the list above, most of the women mentioned are the traditional sterotype >of female solo singer or female singer fronting a band. They do not play >MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in public.
The bassist from Coal Chamber... the bassist from Zombie... that chick from the Cranberries... they play actual instruments...
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:36:56 -0500 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: After A Little Research ....... Message-ID: <00f701be427a$a8051020$5a4320d8@Kez>
> >>So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and >>live? > >Two words for you: TORI AMOS >
One word for you: yuck
hahahahahahaha
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:05:22 -0500 From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Female musicians...... Message-ID: <36A288D2.14AF@idt.net>
> > So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their > albums and live? > > Ice Queen
Ice Ice Baby, Jennifer Batten ROCKS, and many "folk" females play guitar (i.e. Tracy Chapman, Melissa Etheridge). Smashing Pumpkins AND The Talking Heads both had/have female bass guitarists. Women In Rock are out there, over the past 2 years the new explosion of female singers, highlighted by the Lilith Fair tour, have come out of the woodwork. The simple fact is that most women MUSICIANS are not as talented than their male counterparts. What does that say? I believe that there aren't as many women driven to make playing an instrument their livlihood. That's neither good, bad or chauvenistic, just an accurate statement. BTW, in a small bit of shameless self-promotion, check out my site for info and MP3s (coming SOON) of Lisa Cote, a VERY talented female singer/songwriter/guitarist in the Folk vein. You might not know her now, but you will soon.
John DiBella President/Xanadu Records http://xanadu.webjump.com
* Be EXCELLENT to each other! *
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: After A Little Research ....... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990117200644.4756A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 IceQD@aol.com wrote:
> >Sheryl Crow, Alanis > >Morissette, Jewel, Sarah McLachlan, Mariah Carey (who burst into BIGGER > >prominence), Madonna (ditto for bigger prominence), Celine Dion, Gwen > >Stefani, Shirley Manson > > ]From the list above, most of the women mentioned are the traditional sterotype > of female solo singer or female singer fronting a band. They do not play > MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in public. > > Sheryl Crow is the ONLY one (to my knowledge but I am sure there are others on > the list who can enlighten me) who plays one or more instruments. I know she > plays guitar and bass, both on her albums and live (mostly bass now I think > from an interview I saw). > > I haven't heard any music from Jewel or Sarah McLachlan and don't know if they > play any instruments.
Both Jewel AND Sarah McLachlan play instruments. I konw that Jewel plays the guitar as well as Sarah, and I believe that Sarah plays the piano as well. I think you'll find more musicians (as opposed to singers; I know that singers are musicians, it's just a common naming) among females than you'd think.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:04:52 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: After A Little Research ....... Message-ID: <19990118020453.19178.qmail@hotmail.com>
The Ice Queen raises some *very* good points- >From the list above, most of the women mentioned are the traditional sterotype >of female solo singer or female singer fronting a band. They do not play >MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in public. >I haven't heard any music from Jewel or Sarah McLachlan and don't know if they play any instruments.
Jewel is a folkie, so she plays the guitar. I think she can play other stuff, but whether she has or not, I couldn't tell you.
>Gwen Stefani fronts an actual BAND (No Doubt) as does Shirley Manson (Garbage) but neither APPEAR to play any instruments, they just sing. I don't have any of their albums, do they co-write?
Gwen co-writes a LOT of No Doubt's music, esp lately. Anyway, most of the focus of No Doubt is on Gwen, so I thought she deserved individual credit. Ditto for Shirley Manson on both fronts. In fact, her involvement with the first Garbage album beyond singing was basically nothing, but she did MUCH more for the second album.
>So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and >live?
Meredith Brooks isn't prominent, but she plays guitar. Sheryl Crow can play the accordian. I forgot to mention the Dixie Chicks- two play guitar, the other plays the fiddle (or a violin, something).
But the point of my post wasn't about who can play what instrument, it was about the fact that talented female artists are coming forward and strutting their stuff. Women have less of a right to bitch about being repressed now than in any other time in history. You'd think they'd take the time to enjoy that. But hey whatever...
Trent
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:08:16 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: After A Little Research ....... Message-ID: <19990118020816.2356.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., IceQD@aol.com thus begged: >> >>From the list above, most of the women mentioned are the traditional sterotype >>of female solo singer or female singer fronting a band. They do not play >>MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in public.
Oh yeah, there's also Darcy from Smashing Pumpkins.
Trent
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:50:12 -0500 From: Timothy Lodge <timlodge@mail1.nai.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Trying to arrange carpool for upcoming LTE Shows. Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990117215012.00a180cc@pop1.nai.net>
Hi All.... If anyone in the Connecticut metro area (Mass, CT, parts of NY) would like to try to organize some kind of carpool to get down to NYC or Philly to see LTE play please email me at: timlodge@ct1.nai.net
Thanks!
-Tim-
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:57:07 -0800 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@pacbell.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Moe Down Tab Message-ID: <000f01be4296$9f190fe0$d306aace@default>
>Neil, I have that song on a live recording, but couldn't find it on a >studio record. A couple of weeks ago I asked here if sb has the tab or >knows where to find it - do YOU?
Unfortunately, no. If I had the time I'd tab it out as an ear exercise, but I'm incredibly busy right now. If there's a particular short stretch giving you trouble, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
DTC: Morse is one of Petrucci's guitar heroes. "The Steves and the Als."
later, -Neil.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:17:02 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: madonna ciccone Message-ID: <947aa291.36a2b5be@aol.com>
hey jammers,
i totally agree MADONNA KICKS ASS! i would like to attempt play ray of light ( but..then again....the song is 24 hours in 5 minutes...i wouldnt want time to slow down for me ; ) )
but i was listening to the song..she sounds like she's singing into a jar on some parts...ie " the way i feeaaaaa " ( the way i feel ). and what's with those wacky effects ? its great, but i think somebody was high. but hey, its a great song. ( especially if you can annoy the neighbors..ehehe )
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:19:16 EST From: Ibanez506@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: *Chicks* who play Message-ID: <97d4baf7.36a2b644@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/17/99 5:46:01 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and live? >> Crissie Hynde of The Pretenders, Drain S.T.H, Nancy Wilson, bass player form AFKA Prince, Paula Cole plays piano and write own material, Jewel plays guitar, Sarah McLaughlin plays piano and guitar. I know there is more Just can't think of them now.
Juli
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:31:53 -0600 From: James Hunt <p_haze@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Credibility/Female Musicians Message-ID: <36A2B939.C619CFF1@mail.utexas.edu>
Ice Queen wrote:
> >Credibility is in the eye of the beholder.
Bull. Credibility can be established objectively, and ruined objectively. To not believe a credible source when what they say is serious and reasonable is a mistake. As to what comprises a credible source: a source which has knowledge of the subject of which s/he speaks which was gained in an agreeably reliable manner.
Hey Chris: send her Stephen Downes's URL again. I forget it at the moment.
> Some prominent women in music mentioned were: > > >Sheryl Crow, Alanis > >Morissette, Jewel, Sarah McLachlan, Mariah Carey (who burst into BIGGER > >prominence), Madonna (ditto for bigger prominence), Celine Dion, Gwen > >Stefani, Shirley Manson > > ]From the list above, most of the women mentioned are the traditional sterotype > of female solo singer or female singer fronting a band. They do not play > MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in public.
> <snip>
> So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and > live?
Oh, yeah, singers aren't musicians. Care to revise this statement? After all, if singers aren't musicians, then I suppose that choral pieces aren't music, at least not when sung.
To answer your question in the spirit it was asked (ie, leaving out vocalists): one would be less likely to notice them if they weren't singing. After all, taking as the sole criterion the way the instrument is played, you can't tell what the player's sex is. This is my excuse for not knowing, off the top of my head, any "prominent" female instrumentalists, except Jennifer Batten, if she counts as "prominent" in your book. I profess this ingnorance but contend that it is ignorance which need not be dispelled in order for me to develop as a musician or a person. So there :-P
Kilded p_haze@mail.utexas.edu NP: Dream Out Loud (I&W Boot) Reading: "The Sickness Unto Death" by Soren Kierkegaard
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:44:55 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dairy Queen Message-ID: <000a01be429d$4d0dc7c0$1e809c83@7979811wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>From: IceQD@aol.com >Subject: Monkey's Ass!
>Heheheheheh too funny! >I never checked the url in the first place because (in the words of Nicky >Lemons) I don't give a "Monkey's Ass!" I make my point (in this case it's not >called flaming it's called defending someone I believe to have been attacked, >which I don't HAVE to do, but feel I should) then I move on ....
I see. So when someone gets in a debate and you don't like the the way the debate is moving, you feel obligated to step in and start insulting people. And then, when that falis, your next imperative is to accuse the person of misogyny or something on that level. So if this is the pattern, and your last insult also failed, next post I'll be what... a rapist? A murderer? It is called flaming. You haven't made any point otherwise. And incidentally, cats come in both genders. Bitches tend mainly to be female.
>Also the reason WHY the ladies are getting anywhere in the biz nowadays >(myself included)
Where have you gotten? I've never heard of you. Must be because you're female.
>Credibility is in the eye of the beholder.
I warned you to plug your ass. Now you went and got it in his eye. He's gonna be pissed.
>From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
Excellent point on the Niacin thing. I didn't really like that stuff, but it's surely a different direction for Sheehan to have taken. I know a bassist doesn't have to be profoundly technical (nor does a guitarist) to be a great musician or anything, but in terms of innovation, I don't see anything special about guys like Ellefson or Newsted in any sense. I mean, they pretty much throw a simple bassline under a guitar line for a song that's written before they see it (I don't know if either has written anything on the last album by either band). There are thousands of passable guitarists. They don't earn or deserve credit as innovators, IMO. I guess I feel the same about passable bassists. But then, it is to the greater extent, subjective, so to each his own.
>From: IceQD@aol.com >Subject: After A Little Research .......
>Some prominent women in music mentioned were: > >>Sheryl Crow, Alanis >>Morissette, Jewel, Sarah McLachlan, Mariah Carey (who burst into BIGGER >>prominence), Madonna (ditto for bigger prominence), Celine Dion, Gwen >>Stefani, Shirley Manson > >]From the list above, most of the women mentioned are the traditional sterotype >of female solo singer or female singer fronting a band. They do not play >MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS in public.
Okay... this calls your research into question. What did you do, sit around and think about it for a moment? I've seen the first 4 play guitar, and seen McLachlan also play piano exceptionally well. Tori is another example of that. But perhaps the more alarming concept is that you don't seem to consider vocalists musicians. Are you that ignorant?
>So where are all the prominent female MUSICIANS who play on their albums and >live?
Courtney Love. Tori Amos. Jennifer Batten. Joni Mitchell. Bonnie Raitt. Shawn Colvin or however it's spelled. That's just off the top of my head. There's no doubt... fewer female instrumentalists make it big. But that's not remotely because of gender. That's because there are fewer (by a landslide) female instrumentalists in pop, and god forbid rock or metal music. Speaking as a male guitarist, I would be knocked on my ASS to see a female rock guitarist who could play on the level of a John Petrucci. There's no way anyone would try to repress such a person. But no one is going to make concessions to hear a SHITTY female rock musician, just because she's a she. No one is going to consider someone like that on the level with the musicians we idolize. I'm sorry, but I only know of ONE rock guitarist with two X chromosomes who is that noteworthy (Batten) and I'd pay to see her in a SECOND if she came to town.
Have a nice day.
- Chris
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