YTSEJAM Digest 4582
Today's Topics:
1) Manson a Man ?
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
2) Derek... holy sh*t...
by Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu>
3) DEREK OUT!!!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
4) Derek gone????
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
5) Re: Derek
by AyameYuki@aol.com
6) Derek & Jordan
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
7) MP Post
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
8) Derek IS history
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
9) Derek Leaving
by "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com>
10) Jorden...
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
11) No Derek, WTF?
by JE78674@ltu.edu
12) Female rock groups.....
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
13) Re: Official Dream Theater Press Release
by Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4581
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
15) what?...
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
16) Jordan
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
17) Cats?
by IceQD@aol.com
18) James Hunt
by IceQD@aol.com
19) New Michael Harris Album & Homepage
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
20) Revolving Keyboardists
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
21) YTSECON and stuff
by Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:38:05 +1100
From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Manson a Man ?
Message-ID: <36A3B7CD.BFEF58A0@ozemail.com.au>
>dear gaz, i would like to point out that Manson is a GUY! his real name
is
>brian hugh warner! and yeah, he does look like a girl who's always
stoned..but
>then again..so do Hanson ( no offense to people who actually like the
human
>chipmunks ). anyway, my fave female artists vary, i just like whining
about
>why it sucks to have a gibson guitar. ( im fender all the way ! ).
NO WAY Manson is a guy ?
C'mon your kidding me ?
Wow, I had no idea, I guess I'll be taking down all those sexy
MM posters from my wall.
Manson is way too sexy too be a man....
gaz
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:43:17 -0500
From: Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek... holy sh*t...
Message-ID: <36A3B905.2B00F56F@mtu.edu>
Wow, he's really gone... at first I thought it had to be a forged post,
_had_ to be... but it's up on Itchy's page, and that's as good as the
gospel truth for me. All that I can say is that Derek is one hell of a
guy and keyboard player.
Over the past years I have come to appreciate his contribution to the
band, and respect his playing skills, and what he brought to the show,
especially live. You can never truly be replaced, Derek. Thanks for the
music.
But, on an up note, I'd like to welcome Jordan to the DT family. You'll
have to excuse the bitching that's sure to occur on the 'jam over the
next few months, hell years (just when you though the Kev vs Derek thing
was under control...), but we ytsejammers have long memories. We moved
past Charlie. We forged ahead after Kev split. It'll be hard, but we'll
make it w/o Derek, and so will DT.
So good luck in whatever you do, Derek, and good luck in the new band,
Jordan. May this all turn out for the better...
Josh
-- Show business is my life! --Derek Sherinian------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:46:50 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DEREK OUT!!! Message-ID: <36A3B9DA.FF46CBC5@isd.net>
Holy compressed human waste!
The God of the skins wrote: >Dream Theater changes keyboard player
>It is with much personal sadness that Dream Theater announce their decision to >part ways with keyboardist Derek Sherinian.
Mike Portnoy: How about some clarification here... Did Derek decide to leave? Did the remaining members of the band choose to replace him with Jordan, or was he out either way and Jordan was the logical replacement?
It sounds like Dream Theater chose to replace him with Jordan whether Derek liked it or not.
Just when everybody was starting to warm up to Derek...
I don't think ANYONE on this list will be disappointed with his replacement.
This should end the KevMo vs DerSher debate.
/Al hangs head in sorrow.
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:54:27 -0400 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek gone???? Message-ID: <01be4335$806ff0a0$ed4a92cc@alexis1>
After reading the message about Derek being out of DT and Rudess being in, I first thought "damn that fu---n impersonator again". But I went to UACM to check if it was actually true and there it was, the same newsletter. Could an impersonator have tricked Itchy as well? Don't know. If Derek is out, I really can't understand why. Everything was going really well with him, or at least that's the way I saw things. What the hell happened? I think Rudess is a great keyboardist, but I don't understand the reasons behind the change. I don't think that newsletter had the explanations I need. Well, some more confirmations of this info or additional inforrmation are welcome.
Alexis
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:58:32 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Derek Message-ID: <12eb9386.36a3bc98@aol.com>
hey jammers...
man ? derek ? leaving ? well, on the one hand id said " finally, let the conceited creep leave " but on the other hand, derek did quite a lot soundwise for DT. i prefered kevin all the way, but his career went in another direction. and im a keyboardist myself, ill just have to get used to Jordan, and however the chairs will be arranged ;). hey guys..why dont you just bolt down the chairs ?
metal for thought,
nic
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:58:30 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Derek & Jordan Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990118145830.008df860@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
Wow. I go out of town for 2 days and I come back and my musical world is flipped upside down. Who woulda thought.
I have mixed opinions about Derek leaving. I always knew that he didn't quite fit into the personality of the band. While certainly technically proficient enough to play DT's music, I always tired of his soloing style quickly. His soloing style is totally cool, but I just never thought it fit into the band.
As far as Jordan joining the band, there is noone I can think of that would fit in better. The guy is a monster, of course, but he is a monster that we KN0W will fit into the band. Personally, I am excited as hell about this turn of events.
I will miss Derek and his kick ass opening to LiTS, but damn...A new age is upon us. Prepare to be ruined when the new DT album comes out.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:02:16 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MP Post Message-ID: <36A3BD77.86B7B66C@ozemail.com.au>
Wake up and smell the roses, Derek is out Jordan is in............. For all you pesemistic no believers it's official it's on the official DT web site, so WHY doubt it ?
gaz
/me does the dance of rejoice
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:12:45 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek IS history Message-ID: <36A3BFEC.5D7E9416@isd.net>
The press release is posted on UACM. I would think it's legit.
There, now this post is no longer a one-liner
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:20:09 -0500 From: "Kevin Rackley" <KRackley@weidmuller.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Derek Leaving Message-ID: <s6a37b73.055@weidmuller.com>
Just check out www.dreamtheater.net
This looks as though it's for real. They even have Jordan's picture on = the main page already.
Kevin Rackley
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:18:26 -0600 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jorden... Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF033172@BHAM-XCHG1.immpower.com>
Hey,
Just been to UACM, not only is the Press Release there but there is a picture of Jorden where Derek used to be and it won't be long before you'll be able to click to his Bio. That's got to hurt. I guess that's as official as it gets. I have mixed emotions at the moment, Jorden is obviously a great keyboardist (re: LTE), but I loved what Derek brought to the band (including his keyboard skills). I look forward to the new material and the next chapter of DT The Soap.
Later,
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:20:11 -0500 (EST) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@axnet.net Subject: No Derek, WTF? Message-ID: <01J6P1NNZCT48WW507@LTU.EDU>
Man, this really bums me out. While I am a fan of the Big "R", I must admit that I found Derek's playing a refreshing addition to DT. It's like someone posted a few years ago, when Kevin left, so did the "glam" presence. And then, Derek added a little kick in the keys department.
Damn, this kind of sucks...a lot. I know several people on here bitch to no end about the man, but I must admit that I am saddened by this news. Just one point to make though, Rudess's playing technique is a bit in the 80's department. While I have no problem with that, the mainstream music scene does. I thought DT wanted to focus more on a "newer" approach....oh well, they are and always will be DT and I am sure we will all support them and welcome (please, nicely) anyone new they introduce to the band.
That's all for now,
Jeff E.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:44:51 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Female rock groups..... Message-ID: <36A3B963.3349CA58@home.com>
There's also Luscious Jackson, whom I saw open for LIVE, and they actually weren't too bad. The only song I recognized though was "Naked Eye" or something like that. I believe L7 is a girl band although I've never heard 'em, so correct me if I'm wrong. Oh, there's also Veruca Salt.
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow- If you take this chance- Our lives are this moment The music, the dance- And here in this labyrinth- Of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night- And you're all that I see - Savatage, from "Not What You See" -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:18:13 -0500 From: Ryan Park <rpark@space-dye.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Official Dream Theater Press Release Message-ID: <99011818352601.00459@rp4242>
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Al Balkiewicz wrote:
> wow.......can't see all the headers, so don't know if this is > true. If it isn't, it's a helluva fake.....
The Message-ID said aol.com, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. The press release was listed on Under a Cyber Moon, and I assume Itchy without put it up without confirmation (right, Mark?).
> If it is, it's a big surprise. Derek will definitely be missed. > I thought he did a bang-up job musically. The biggest thing that > will be missed is the flair and stage presence that he brought > to DT. Before this tour, DT was, IMHO, lacking in the stage > presence department, very still, not a lot of movement, almost > personality-less (besides Mike of course). Derek seemed to liven > the band up, and bring more pizazz and fun to the whole DT > concert experience. That'll definitely be missed.
I agree. After purchasing LTE and the Rudess/Morgenstein CD, I was convinced that Jordan was the premier progressive keyboardist today. But after Falling Into Infinity -- and *especially* Once in a LIVEtime -- I realized how much talent (writing, playing, and improvising) Derek really had. "Lines in the Sand," primarily composed by Derek, was my favorite song on FII. "Anna Lee," another Derek song, was my least favorite. What does this say about Derek? I'm not sure <g>. But he managed to put the "fun" back into prog rock, and that aspect will obviously be missed.
Derek also managed to "fit in" on songs like "Speak to Me" and "The Way it Used to Be" which did not have a prominent keyboard part. I hope Jordan's addition to the band doesn't involve sacrificing slower, softer (relatively speaking) compositions like those.
> However, Jordan Rudess.............wow! definitely not losing > anything with respect to talent, that's for sure.
No doubt. His playing is definitely energetic and I suspect he will.
I'm sure we'd all like to know what brought this on at this time, how they convinced Jordan to consider joining this time around, and how it's going to affect the new album. I just hope that it's all discussed with tact and dignity, as opposed to the old "Derek vs. ________" debates. Fact is, Derek didn't suck. The question is whether Jordan is better at not sucking <g>.
> I'm not too familiar with Jordan's work besides LTE, and I was > wondering if he's just as good with his sound and choice of > sound with respect to songs.
Yes. Buy the Rudess/Morgenstein Project ASAP... it's a great CD. It's a few years old, and has no guitars (only keys and percussions) so it's not exactly "prog-METAL"... but Jordan's sound is identical to his sound on LTE.
> And another thing, how do people see the next album as..... > something more along the lines of I&W/Awake, or FII.....or > something completely and utterly different once again......
Completely different. I see it (obviously) more along the lines of LTE. (3/4 of LTE is Dream Theater, and 3/5 of Dream Theater is LTE!) But I hope they keep going with the "non-virtuoso" songs like the ones I mentioned above.
Ryan
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4581 Message-ID: <199901182338.SAA80366@gl.umbc.edu>
It's no joke. I just got an amil from Derek.
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:47:40 EST From: ToxicSheep@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: what?... Message-ID: <17dc08fe.36a3c81c@aol.com>
DT changes keyboard player?.... I should have seem this coming, but I never thought it would happen. Sure, Mike and John enjoyed playing with Jordan...but replace Derek? He added so much life to DT, the funnier side ... I'm going to miss him- I can just think, not too long ago, when I saw them 12/29 in NY...and Derek was doing the David Lee Roth impression...so "part of the band"....and his dancing in the video, funny stuff. I loved his musical ideas! I don't want to start argumets or speculation, but --DT "hopes" to be friends with Derek, they previously found Jordan to fit better into DT as far as writing, 'personality', and playing...--- Mutual enpartment?...let's hope.
@ |> A (V)
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:55:48 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jordan Message-ID: <36A3CA04.7866A60B@home.com>
> >Subject: Official Dream Theater Press Release > >Message-ID: <afb34561.36a3915b@aol.com>
Matej wrote: > can somone trace this imposter so we can all > bomb the hell out of his email?
Well, it IS also on UaCM, and in the UaCM newsletter - so it appears to be geniune.
--
- Joe D. aka Magellan jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:05:29 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Cats? Message-ID: <4af09f2e.36a3cc49@aol.com>
Heheheheheh looks like the cats is really amongst the pigeons .........
Tori Amos does indeed play, but aren't there any others? Only two women, Tori Amos and Sheryl Crow. C'mon fellas rack yer brains now!
>uh oh, be glad james labrie doesn't subscribe to the list. although i'm >you'll get plenty from the regulars. :) moo.
I love JLB's voice actually
Trent, buy the Mdaonna Cd. It IS worth it imho.
-The Doc wrote The bassist from Coal Chamber... the bassist from Zombie... that chick from the Cranberries... they play actual instruments...
What about their names, don't they have NAMES? (Try Sean Yseult, but Zombie have split up)
Ice Ice Baby, Jennifer Batten ROCKS, and many "folk" females play guitar (i.e. Tracy Chapman, Melissa Etheridge). Smashing Pumpkins AND The Talking Heads both had/have female bass guitarists.
She most certainly does. I went to a clinic of hers here in the UK once.
Ice Queen PS: hasn't anyone realised I'm winding you up big time yet? Perpahs only Korg? Life's a JOKE, some get it some don't.
Furthermore, Derek has left Dream Theater and is being replaced with Jordan Rudess.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:10:49 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: James Hunt Message-ID: <17dce326.36a3cd89@aol.com>
Well there ya go, we used to have a racing driver here in the UK called James Hunt. He died of a heart attack a few years back ;-p
Ice Queen
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:10:57 -0600 From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New Michael Harris Album & Homepage Message-ID: <01be4340$2fbaece0$d6dc1a93@tugmutton-.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
Those of you who are fans of guitarist Michael Harris, check out his new CD, 'Distorted Views'.
Distorted Views Cover & Description (and ordering) : http://www.leviathanrecords.com/distv.htm Michael Harris Project Homepage: http://pages.prodigy.net/axegrinder/mhppage
- Tugmutton
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Revolving Keyboardists Message-ID: <19990119002040.2789.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
Hey all.
Regarding the current announcement of Derek's departure, does anyone see any uncanny parallels to the Grateful Dead and their "hot seat" for keyboardists? Granted, most of the keyboardists who left the Dead did it tragically with the use of a bodybag, and usually only once a decade. Thankfully no DT members have pursued that route yet.
Seriously though... I'm beginning to wonder about this. I initially mocked Derek before I gave him half a chance, and then realized that he was (and still is) an incredible musician. Derek brought all kinds of new ideas and themes to DT, as we heard on FII and as we've been hearing up through the most recent shows on the East Coast. I'm going to miss hearing his influence, and how he would have affected Dream Theater's compositions in the future. He had personality, and I think his presence "woke up" the band, in studio and on stage. Who else would have brought jumbo lava lamps and shag carpet on stage?
I hope DT doesn't abandon the originality and the musical maturity they have gained, to gain a more "insanely progressive metal" style, as I've seen some people mention in the past few Jams. I still like the direction that FII took, and I wonder where it could have gone. Let's hope that Jordan's presence helps the band to truly progress, rather than just playing "progressive metal" as we used to know it. Maybe more jazz influences perhaps? :)
Viva la revolution...
==
-- Matthew A. Schnoor -- mail: mschnoor@yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:23:26 -0500 From: Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: YTSECON and stuff Message-ID: <199901190021.TAA07929@promail1.ee.net>
Hiya folks, long time no post...I have been on the road with work almost non-stop since November....UGH!
Anyways, for those of you posting doubts about the change in DT lineup, why not just GO TO THE OFFICIAL SITE: http://www.dreamtheater.net and click on NEWS AND INFO. If it's listed there, it's the TRUTH. ;)
I like Derek, and I like Jordan, and I like Kevin - BONUS!!! Now I'll have DT CD's that include all of them! :):):) GET IN THE STUDIO GUYS!!!!! WOOOHOOOO!!!!
RE: YTSECON 99 IN COLUMBUS OHIO Any word on this?? I joined the mailing list but haven't recieved anything yet. I live in Columbus and know the area very well, and would be willing to help organize this event. I also think it would be worthwhile to have DT play here at that time, since they pack every place they play here every time.
Any feedback regarding Ytsecon 99 is welcome, Dave Hatlee (aka buster in the old days) dhatlee@dhpc.com
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