YTSEJAM Digest 4583
Today's Topics:
1) Lili Haydn
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
2) Keyboard Fiasco
by "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
3) Derek
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
4) Re: Keyboard Fiasco
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
5) Re: Keyboard Fiasco
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
6) I wanna know the truth.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Dream THeater and Spinal Tap
by "Eugene Szucs" <eeszucs@worldnet.att.net>
8) You want NEARfest? You've got NEARfest.
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@erotomania.org>
9) Re: DEREK OUT!!!
by Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com>
10) Re: Me
by James Hunt <p_haze@mail.utexas.edu>
11) This is actually quite funny (in a twisted way)
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
12) Re: This is actually quite funny (in a twisted way)
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
13) Blasphemy!
by Mike Kilun <memkilun@earthlink.net>
14) Jordans the new DT 'bordist?
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
15) Best Move DT Ever Made...
by Paul Drapeau <paul@ageofvalor.com>
16) Roots.... the gift.
by "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4582
by Bezerk02@aol.com
18) Hmmm. . .
by "Tom Walling" <tomwalling@hotmail.com>
19) New Album and Man with the Liquid Fingers
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
20) Re: Derek
by Bobby Tufino <slimegod@deskmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:27:43 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Lili Haydn
Message-ID: <36a3d17e4a75001@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
> I saw a band supporting Page and Plant last year, I think they
> (or she) was called Lili Hayden, She sang and played a very mean violin,
> kinda heavy, gothic, orchestral and celtic. Very good I thought.
Yeah, she's cool. I have the album. It doesn't sound quite as powerful on
record as it did live, but it's still great stuff. It's not really gothic
or orchestral, though. It's her voice and violin, guitar, bass, cello,
keys, drums. It is kinda heavy...some tracks have great near-metal
guitarwork mixing with distorted electric violin. It's *really* cool.
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:45:53 -0500
From: "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Keyboard Fiasco
Message-ID: <007601be4345$124886e0$49a51fd0@Customer.ns1.ionline.com>
Boy, this sure is a shock to me. This loss is really something,
especially since DT is my favorite band. I was really getting into Derek's
sound and enjoyed what he added to the band. This means no more Nicky
Lemons or Nightmare Cinema, for sure. I really will miss Derek.
On the upside, it is obvious that Rudess is one hell of a player, so it
makes it a little easier to digest. I guess DT must really want the new
album really progressive. I liked FII alot, and since it seems that DT will
be either returning to their original style/sound or going a different way.
Hopefully the new album will go through production quickly and out to us so
it will be easier to cope.
Also, since Rudess has joined, isn't LTE almost practically DT, except
Tony Levin on bass and no James? I'm assuming more LTE songs will be played
at DT concerts. I wonder if there will be a LTE 3 (will there be a
necessity for it?). It is safe to say that these side projects put things
in a different perspective for the guys. Since JP and MP were the ones who
worked with Rudess, can we assume they were the ones who mainly came to this
conclusion? Many of you are probably thinking it's none of my (or our)
business to know, but I'm really curious as to what happened, besides what
MP told us. Was Derek adding too much of a different element to what DT
wanted, or was there personal reasons, or was it that they just liked Rudess
more?
Well, listening to OIALT is helping, but man, I'm still kinda bummed.
Hopefully, no more member changes will happen again.
Good luck to Derek, and welcome to the family, Jordan.
Death Lord
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:17:25 -0600
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek
Message-ID: <002301be4349$7a0564c0$475099d1@default>
Since the press release is on the official DT site and on Derek's web page
it must be true. Now don't get me wrong I think Jordan is a great player but
I think the band owes us an explanation on what happened. From the outside
it looked like everything was fine between the band and Derek. First it was
Kevin, now Derek, who will be replacing Jordan in a few years when he
decides to split for another gig?
Mike
Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:18:42 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Keyboard Fiasco
Message-ID: <003201be4349$a773a480$3a1110ac@DEMCCOR.clemson.edu>
> Boy, this sure is a shock to me. This loss is really something,
>especially since DT is my favorite band. I was really getting into Derek's
>sound and enjoyed what he added to the band. This means no more Nicky
>Lemons or Nightmare Cinema, for sure. I really will miss Derek.
jeez, you're all talking like he's dead or something. he still exists, he
just won't play with dream theater. if ou like him you can catch him with
whatever new thing he does. i personally love all of DT's different
configurations, and they havent managed to disappoint me yet. if anything i
was lamenting DT's move away from the progressive aspect, and from what i've
heard of rudess i would assume he'll nudge them back in that direction.
let's see, shall we? moo.
--" When I feel like no one feels like what I say has any place in their world, I just like to point at them, laugh, and take off my pants." -KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:22:56 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Keyboard Fiasco Message-ID: <003501be434a$3e9a67e0$3a1110ac@DEMCCOR.clemson.edu>
sorry for the 2 seperate posts, but i just thought of this...
> Also, since Rudess has joined, isn't LTE almost practically DT, except >Tony Levin on bass and no James? I'm assuming more LTE songs will be played >at DT concerts. I wonder if there will be a LTE 3 (will there be a
i would hope that maybe LTE will open for DT, since most of em are already stuck there for the night, they might as well :)
>MP told us. Was Derek adding too much of a different element to what DT >wanted, or was there personal reasons, or was it that they just liked Rudess >more?
of course this is just speculation, but i seem to recall an interview with derek where he said something along the lines of "i don't think i'd listen to DT if i didn't play in DT." which made me think, hmm, its like they're not really his kind of band, he's just playing with em cuz he gets paid and he gets to solo :) i dunno, obviously i have no idea what they're htinking but maybe they (and he) realized that he wasn't really into it? moo.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:30:48 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: I wanna know the truth. Message-ID: <006301be434b$981d0740$580d84d0@default>
I know that Derek is out. But the thing I want to know is why. You see, I'm one of those fine folks who base their judgements of a band by their actions and presentation as well as their musical abilities. And Dream Theater I judge more than most because I've been on this list forever and have come to know all of the nifty details about them.
But this... It blows away every perception I've garnered of the band. So I want to know why. It means alot to me to know. There's all kinds of possibilities toward the outcome, but the one that Mike's post seems to say to me is "Alright Derek, it's been fun! Here's the guy we really wanted in the first place. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!"
You know, I didn't like Derek when he replaced Kevin. I fought on Kev's side on all the DerKev wars while trying to remain objective to Derek simply because he was in the band and that's the way it was. It was his decision. I actually worked on liking Derek. Then, after I'd accepted him finally as a great player, he completely blew my fucking opinions out of the water with OiaL and I fucking started worshipping the man. Now, this shit happens and I'm like, "Whoah! WTF?"
If this is the way it happened, it's a big slap in the face to Derek, and it's a HUGE disappointment to me and all the other people who went through the same thing. Why the fuck bring the guy to the band and then throw him away like a used tampon? First, I was pissed. Then I mellowed and thought "hey, Jordan's not so bad." And then I pondered why Derek was gone and now I'm disgusted enough to unsub and push DT off of the pier to sink somewhere in the Bermuda.
So... You won't be hearing from ol' Korgy for awhile. I'm going on a lurker vacation for a bit until this damn musical roller coaster in my head quits making me barf 12th notes in all your cheerios.
*shrugs* I'll see you all later. Keep in touch! -- <lurk>KorgX3 thinks the truth is out there... Doh!<lurk>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:56:57 -0500 From: "Eugene Szucs" <eeszucs@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dream THeater and Spinal Tap Message-ID: <007501be4352$2e01c600$c882430c@oil-can>
Anyone else notice the comparison of DT's keyboard players and ST's drummers? Just thought it was funny, that's all
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:21:11 -0500 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: You want NEARfest? You've got NEARfest. Message-ID: <008d01be4352$62200f00$73cbcdcf@syrinx2>
Here it is, at long last.
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>The official lineup for the inaugural North East Art Rock Festival, Foy >Concert Hall, Moravian College, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Saturday June 26 & >Sunday June 27, 1999, is now confirmed. Advance weekend passes are $46 and >are now available. Please make checks or money orders (sorry no credit >card option at this time) payable to NEARFest and send to: NEARFest, c/o >Robert L. LaDuca, 58 East Center Street, Shavertown, PA 18708. One-day >tickets will be $25 and available the day of the show only. Only 400 >tickets are available each day. Please order early to ensure yourself a >seat. We will be hosting most of the major progressive rock vendors in the >US. > >NEARFest promises to be the premier progressive rock event on the East >Coast of the US...Hope to see you in June!! > >Day One: > >Alaska (PA) >The Hand Farm (NJ) >Mastermind (NJ) >IQ (England) > --Day One will also have a special > appearance by Larry Fast of Synergy. (NJ) > >Day Two: > >Ice Age (NY) >Crucible (CT) >Finneus Gauge (PA) >Solaris (Hungary) >Spock's Beard (CA)
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:29:17 -0500 From: Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: DEREK OUT!!! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990118212917.006a0b54@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Al, the Progtologist wrote: >This should end the KevMo vs DerSher debate.
Hahahahahahaha....I remember when I too was naive like this in the halcyon days of my youth. This won't end the debate, it's just going to make it a three-sided one. We all know there's III Sides to Every Story anyway (right Jeff F.?).
waiting for the first KevMo vs. DerShe vs. JorRud debate, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- phil@usefulware.com http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:28:17 -0600 From: James Hunt <p_haze@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Me Message-ID: <36A3EDC1.4490AFA6@mail.utexas.edu>
Ice Queen wrote:
> Well there ya go, we used to have a racing driver here in the UK called James > Hunt. He died of a heart attack a few years back ;-p
LOL Seriously, that's a shame <gag>. Naw, I live in Texas and have never been to England (tho I'd like to visit).
Let us have peace on the issue...
As for the Derek thing, I only became a fan of the band after DS joined, and I deeply enjoyed his playing. I regret never having seen them with him live :-( but I look forward to JR's contribution to the new album...Metropolis pt 2 anyone?
Why not look forward? There seems to be nothing we can do about this change. It's a bit sudden tho, and I would like to know the circumstances.
Kilded p_haze@mail.utexas.edu
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:57:37 -0500 From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: This is actually quite funny (in a twisted way) Message-ID: <000e01be4357$7a2651e0$cb586acf@ckssrs.axiomnet.com>
You know, no more than 3? months ago, we were in the middle of a *very* heated Kev. vs. Derek debate and I must say Derek was being bashed quite heavily. Seems to me that everyone who's been posting lately is saying "I liked Derek!" Man, I really wish I archived my ytsejams so I could catch the people who had before been very anti-Derek. So where are you people? How come no rejoicing at the changing of ranks? The only one I've seen has been Gaz...and his sarcastic self doesn't count! I personally believe that yes, Derek was a *unique individual* (thats a euphamism if I ever heard one!) but that Jordan will do so much more for Dream Theater. By where are those Derek bashers now?
Scott.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:02:54 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: This is actually quite funny (in a twisted way) Message-ID: <36a3f5de5a19001@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
Where are the Derek bashers? They're laying low, because unlike yourself they don't want to be confrontational assholes.
-Brian
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:59:03 -0800 From: Mike Kilun <memkilun@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Blasphemy! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19930118185903.0079ea90@earthlink.net>
BLASPHEMY, THE TIDES HAVE RISEN, THE EARTHQUAKES WILL HIT THE DEREK SHRINE HAS CRUMBLED. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. WE WILL ALL GO DOWN IN FLAMES. RAISE THE ROOF, RAISE IT!!! I'M BURNING, BURNING I TELL YA!! I CAN'T PICK UP ANOTHER DT DISC. WHEN I DO, IT SHATTERS AND MY HAND BURNS FROM THE AGONY.
i'm just gonna go sacrifice something now. please don't flame me.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:16:17 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Jordans the new DT 'bordist? Message-ID: <199911822151241@ix.netcom.com>
Wow. Im still reeling in shock. I must say that as good a keyboardist Derek is, and the "humor" that he brought into DT (which I will never forget), he did (at least this is how my band's drummer put it) "stick out like a sore thumb." Just look at the two page full band pic in the begining of their FII tour book. Im no knocking Derek. I always liked his playing (maybe since I got into DT with FII), and he did add a lot to the band (the jazziness particularly), but already knowing how LTE sounds, I can say that Im verymuch looking foward to the new DT album more than ever. Jordan does seem to be the "definitive" prog keyboardist of the day, and what better band for him to play in than the "definitive" prog band of the day (which also seems to include the "definitive" prog drummer, guitarist, bassist, and singer of the day). Two things come to mind though:
1. What is to happen to LTE now? All LTE is now is instrumental DT with a different bassist.
2. Now there is an age gap between Jordan and the rest of the guys (Im guessing, since Jordan looks to be balding). I dont think this is gonna really effect the band. There was a 10 year gap between the guys and Dominici.
Some people expect the new DT album to sound something like LTE with vocals. This isnt entirely true. The "funk" stuff in LTE was all Tony, so I dont think its gonna sound EXACTLY like LTE, but I wouldnt be suprised if it came pretty close (not that I mind :-)
Also, some think that with the absence of Derek, there will be no more "less progressive" stuff. This is so incredibly wrong. Lets not forget who wrote all of Hollow Years. Yup, Petrucci. And State of Grace on LTE? That was Jordan and John. I can only expect the best from these guys, as usual. Hey, waitasec....whats Metropolis 2 gonna sound like now? Are they gonna use it still? Guess we can only wait and see.
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:32:28 -0500 From: Paul Drapeau <paul@ageofvalor.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Best Move DT Ever Made... Message-ID: <01BE4332.6F59E260.paul@ageofvalor.com>
I must voice my humble opinion and state that changing keyboard players was the best move Dream Theater ever made. Derek just didn't fit what Dream Theater was to me.
Now if we can only get them to go back to the old "Dream Theater" font for the CD covers :)
Paul Drapeau paul@ageofvalor.com Age of Valor Live Role Playing http://www.ageofvalor.com/
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:16:15 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" <inflmmbl@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Roots.... the gift. Message-ID: <001401be4362$7642d520$8b723dd1@inflmmbl.tiac.net>
Well.. the revolving door is spinning... whos next to join the band? No, seriously... I think that this is both a disappointment and a blessing in disguise... thus the title of my post, "Roots, the gift" In one way, Derek was allowing DT to become more "marketable" and in the same wave of thought, DT was becoming farther from their ROOTS. Progressive Rock/Metal. Derek is a very talented musician and very fun to watch in concert.. but he is not Kevin and is certainly not Jordan. Welcome Jordan, and welcome back the progressive music as we knew it. I would truly like to see if we the same style of DT that was around when most of us got into DT. (i.e. Images and Words, Awake, WDADU) I can't wait to see Jordan's contributions and at the same time I hope that Derek is successful with what he does. I thank Derek for all of his contributions to my CD collection and how I promised myself that if I ever became famous, "I'd never dress like that" : ) I think another jammer posted well saying, "Derek was fun." I couldn't agree more. Rock on DT! Rock on Jordan!! Rock on with whatever you do Derek!! Long live DT!! Later, J Jeremy Kube inflmmbl@tiac.net kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:28:00 EST From: Bezerk02@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4582 Message-ID: <93fa8146.36a409d0@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/18/99 7:32:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< >dear gaz, i would like to point out that Manson is a GUY! his real name is >brian hugh warner! and yeah, he does look like a girl who's always stoned >>
I just saw something that would have been unbelievable if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. One of the girls at my work wen to high school with Manson and she brought the yearbooks in to prove it. He looks pretty stoned in all of the photos he is in. On a side note, he was on the yearbook staff.
Aaron
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:35:08 PST From: "Tom Walling" <tomwalling@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Hmmm. . . Message-ID: <19990119043509.21774.qmail@hotmail.com>
How about this one: Jordan Rudess kicks my ass all over the place. What's with the complaints? As far as I am concerned, all Derek ever did for the band was copy Kevin's lines (and didn't even play them that well despite the fact). Stage prescence? I thought he just stood there and looked like a fag. No. . .Jordan is the best thing that has happened to the band in 10 years. By the way (not from a typical homophobic) isn't Derek a homo anyway? He sure acted like it (ie . . making hithtory, and you. . .). One less fag. :) Just kidding. . . Lets get this album recorded and released- dying to hear it.
Tom
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 04:49:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New Album and Man with the Liquid Fingers Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990119044415.10071B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
About the sound of the new album and the inclusion of Jordan in Dream Theater, who here thinks the next album will sound a little bit like LTE (with lyrics, of course)?
Wasn't it Mike P himself who said that DT hadn't written most of the new music yet, and they were going to do the majority of the writing in the studio? And now we have -- Portnoy, Petrucci, and Rudess, with the immensely talented Myung on bass. Sounds almost exactly like the LTE lineup. Plus writing the music in the studio seems to go along well with that idea. Just my 2 cents.
And, as much as I like Derek, I'm infinitely happy with this news. Derek got sounds out of his Trinity that few men can, but Rudess simply blows my mind away. I can't think of anyone better to put in Theater's keys spot than him. Plus, he plays Kurzweils, just like me (only better). :) Woohoo!
-- Bert
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:14:22 -0500 From: Bobby Tufino <slimegod@deskmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Derek Message-ID: <36A414AD.A50A5010@deskmail.com>
I think it is safe to say that many of us will be violently jizzing in our pants when we hear Metropolis 2 with Jordan on keys. Derek kicked ass for sure, but come on, after hearing LTE and that MP3 of TTT with Jordan on keys...let's face it, the new album will be SICK.
Bobby
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