YTSEJAM Digest 4585
Today's Topics:
1) Dairy Queenery & A Short List
by Uroborosss@aol.com
2) New Keyboardist!
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
3) Derek, Female Muso'
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
4) Female musicians / Pirate CDs
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
5) I'M THE HAPPIEST MAN ON EARTH !
by "Marco Anastasi" <mav@dns.omnia.it>
6) Re: New Dream Theater Album
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Derek leaving and other things
by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
8) Badi Assad
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
9) Re: Official Dream Theater Press Release
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
10) Re: Official Dream Theater Press Release
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
11) derek and Jordan
by W Layne Lowery <layne@pnut.net>
12) Re: Derek, Female Muso'
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:29:49 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dairy Queenery & A Short List
Message-ID: <7aaf0086.36a45e9d@aol.com>
This post is meant to enrage anyone who isn't already.
> From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
> Subject: Dairy Queen
Oh yeah, the ice cream place that doesn't serve chocolate. Cause chocolate is
TRASH...
> And incidentally, cats come in both genders. Bitches tend mainly to be
> female.
Of course you've realized by now that someone is going to point out that
"bitch" is a word used more in reference to dogs than cats...
"Meow meow meow!" goes IceQueen.
"Bark bark bark!" goes Chris Ptacek.
> Where have you gotten? I've never heard of you. Must be because you're
> female.
TEXAS LEXUS SEXIST PIG!!!
> > Credibility is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> I warned you to plug your ass. Now you went and got it in his eye.
> He's gonna be pissed.
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang the flames just keep on rollin'!
> Speaking as a male guitarist, I would be knocked on my ASS to see a
> female rock guitarist who could play on the level of a John Petrucci.
That makes you a damned woman-hater. First, you're damned. Second, you're a
woman-hater. No man who respects or even acknowledges women would DARE to make
that statement. I don't care if it's truly what you think, or if you are a
man, or if you have an ass, or if John Petrucci is a skilled guitarist, you
just shouldn't have said that because it degrades the entire female gender.
"Oink oink oink!" goes Chris Ptacek.
> There's no way anyone would try to repress such a person.
Redneck Jimbo sez: "Shit, are you kiddin' boy?! I'd gun 'er down on sight!! Ya
let one bitch through the door and they ALL come knockin'! Thinkin' they've
EARNED something or DESERVE this or that!! Remember what happened with
SLAVERY?? You want that sorta landslide happening with FEMALE SHREDDERS?? Are
you FUCKIN' CRAYZAY BOY??"
> But no one is going to make concessions to hear a SHITTY female rock
> musician, just because she's a she.
If we were playing Battleship, I'd shout "L7!"
> No one is going to consider someone like that on the level with the
> musicians we idolize.
True. No one who idolizes L7 is going to consider them on the level with Steve
Vai, whom I idolize. They'd probably say L7 kicks Steve Vai's ass any day of
the week. Which would be possible since Vai would be heavily outnumbered, and
he's kind of a pacifist anyway...
> I'm sorry, but I only know of ONE rock guitarist with two X chromosomes who
> is that noteworthy (Batten) and I'd pay to see her in a SECOND if she came
> to town.
What, you don't consider The Great Kat to be absolutely phenomenal??
In case I haven't angered anyone out there, I'm going to go all-out to piss
off everybody by listing the female "musicians" who make appearances in my
music collection. The only way you can stop me is in the past tense, as in "I
DID NOT read about Bafu's female-musicians collection." But it's here. You
can't stop me in the future from writing right now, and you couldn't stop me
yesterday from checking my e-mail today. You're all completely powerless. Oink
oink oink.
Melissa Etheridge. Paula Cole. Tracy Bonham. Jewel. Amanda Marshall. Joan
Osborne. Sheryl Crow. Rachel Z. Sarah McLachlan. Suzanne Vega. Tracy Chapman.
Enya. Midori. Vanessa Mae. Jennifer Batten. Heart. Paula Abdul. Cyndi Lauper.
Janet Jackson. Alanis Morissette. Lisa Loeb. Varttina. Leah Andreone. Imani
Coppola. Shania Twain. Billie Myers. Fiona Apple. Veruca Salt. Natalie
Imbruglia. Celine Dion. Rasputina.
Attention IceQueen: All of the "MUSICIANS" listed above, with the exception of
Jennifer Batten, should be available at music stores everywhere. I recommend
Tower Records, or if you're impatient try www.cdnow.com.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:51:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: New Keyboardist!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990119025045.9741B-100000@otter.mbay.net>
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKK YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAhHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Jordan Rudas kicks so much ass that DT will be re-boosted to new heights!
I'm so fucking excited to see the new albom! God, what a musical hard-on!
Be well.
Matt B
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:18:38 -0500
From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek, Female Muso'
Message-ID: <199901190618_MC2-6713-A650@compuserve.com>
This Derek split thing is like when a friend dumps a boyfriend or
girlfriend that everyone in the group you hang out in get on with
really well, all you friends can't understand it.
Female Muso's
Sheila E, Prince's drummer at some point not a big fan of his so don't
know when she was in it, she was on some video, purple rain maybe, and
did some rapin as well, oh-yhea did I forget to mention that I would
walk 50 miles over broken glass just to wank over her shadow ;)
Dave.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:46:47 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Female musicians / Pirate CDs
Message-ID: <36A44677.399AC393@mol.com.mk>
Suzzane Vega is awesome!
She makes most of the music herself, she plays guitar and few other
instruments on her albums!
If you wanna nice cool music check her "99.9 Farenheit degrees" album!!!
Sinead O'Connor also comes on mind!
The incredible voice Joni Mitchell also played acoustic guitar live and
on her albums!
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:26:10 +0300
> From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net>
> Subject: Re: Original vs. Pirate CDs
>
> >YO MAN I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >Buddy of mine just called me to inform that .... ready?
> >..... the Bulgarians "released" OIALT!!!
>
> Don't buy it, pal!!! I can tell you OIALT on a pirate CD has the worst
> quality I've ever heard,
Oh, my friend told me the sound is good! :) Anyway, I AM buying the
original but I'm angry 'cause I STILL DIND'T HEAR A THING FROM OIALT!
> Ok, I'll say that the situation is generally the same with those pirate
> CD's here in Russia,
Yeah, actually one salesman from that kidnaq shop said "Nope dude,
Bulgarian CDs are gone, these are Russian!" :) Really!
You Pete, shut those factories down! Ya don't wanna Clinton drop few
bombs over there too, now do ya? ;)
> though they claim that those CD's are legally copyrighted and stuff
yeah yeah! :)
> were greatkly surpised to know that pirates released ALOT of jazy
> CD's - everything from Coltrane, to Patitucci, to Stanley Clarke,
> to Grapelli... Pick any jazzist and you won't miss it!!!!
> Of course, of they released jazz, they did release LTE, BLS and
> other obvious stuff from Magna Carta
Wow, wow, wow! No way! Oh man, I can't even lay an eye on those albums!
:(((
> + all Vai's CD's (including Leftovers and Angelica)
And WOW again!
> And I must confess that I did buy a lot of these CD's... but,
> hey, if my salary is like $50 a month I can't get to buy a
> CD $20 worth, can I?!
Well for some CDs I guess it's OK buying them from pirates. Like, I
really dig Dead Can Dance but can't allow myself to buy all their
original CDs! :)
--CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:39:59 +0100 From: "Marco Anastasi" <mav@dns.omnia.it> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: I'M THE HAPPIEST MAN ON EARTH ! Message-ID: <01be4333$7b0571a0$8356f3c2@mav.omnia.it>
Is it just true ! Does that fucking Derek Sherinian go out of DT ? That's the best fucking news I've heard in the last four years !!! The best prog keyboard player out there is really with DT now ? Oh, no, it can't be true !!! I'm so very happy!!! DT, now you're again in my heart! Really, thank you, DT, thank you for being again my favourite band. I've always trusted in you, and now my trust has come reality! You found a fucking amaziong keyboardist! Now you can go back to the REAL PROG METAL MUSIC !!! How happy am I !!! P R O G IS NO MORE DEAD!!!
J O R D A N R U D E S S R U L E S !!!
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:07:31 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: New Dream Theater Album Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990119070631.25030A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Neil Gallop wrote:
> the new Dream Theater album will be called "A Change Of Keyboards" > and will be loosely based on some film featuring Robin Williams in > which he teaches pottery classes ('Seize The Clay'). Backing vocals > will be by the multi-talented female rap singer Mercy Fuck. There > will also be a cover version of Elton John's song "Candle In The Wind" > especially rewritten as a tribute to Mother Teresa called "Sandles In > The Bin".
That is one of the SICKEST things I've ever read. But I haven't laughed so hard at anything like that in a long time. Lord have mercy...
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 04:10:39 -0800 From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek leaving and other things Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244983CA6@mail.rtp.gtegsc.com>
First I'd like to say that I was glad that Derek and Kevin had different styles because it spiced things up a big. Not to mention the fact that the first time I heard the piano on Love Lies Bleeding I almost cheesed myself it was so impressive. I wish nothing but the best for him and I'd like to know if anyone else knows what he may be going to work on.
As for Madonna, her accent isn't english at all...she is attempting to lose her accent she picked up in New "Yawk" Her album Ray of Light is incredible, probably the best song off of that is The Power of Goodbye (followed by Frozen). The only REALLY annoying thing is that they make dance mixxes of every frigging song that becomes a hit for her, whether the song _should_ be a mix or not. (Let's not thread this talk) Her lastest is definately a far cry from the bubble-gum she played in the early 80's.
My take on femal musicians...There are plenty out there that are talented. Indigo Girls - good acoustic players, good emotional songwriters and they have some pretty original vocal arrangements. Sarah McLachlan - awesome songwriter, piano player and guitar player. She might not shred but she still plays her type of music damn good. Loreena McKennitt - Unparalleled songwriting, she plays the harp accordian, piano and guitar and has the voice of an angel. Worship her. Melissa Etheridge - good guitar player and about damn time she just started singing lesbian songs...like the record company thought nobody knew. Jewel - First album has an absolute horrible mix but live she kicked ass. The second album is great except for the preachy song about the fat kid. (Fat Boy, track #8)
Ok, so ends the rant...almost
Graham Boyle hopefully jested: --- NO WAY Manson is a guy ? C'mon your kidding me ? Wow, I had no idea, I guess I'll be taking down all those sexy MM posters from my wall. Manson is way too sexy too be a man.... ---
Man, I REALLY hope you're kidding. If Manson WAS a chick she'd be ugly enough to make my nipples invert and my nuts crawl in. *grin*
Jim
"What reward is a banquet of red wine and bread, when you hunger for life but on death you are fed?" - M. Walkyer - The Best of Enemies (Wulf's Tale)
Jim Suplizio
jim.suplizio@gsc.gte.com 919-549-7927
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:55:58 -0200 From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Badi Assad Message-ID: <005a01be3c4d$22e78860$3515d3c8@bretel>
Hey Mark ! Here's a little about Badi Assad, from an brazilian jammer :)
You're very right about Badi Assad, she's an extremely talented acoustic player and actually she's married to ex-Megadeth guitar player Jeff Young (from the So far, so good ...so what ERA) whom played and helped composing her latest effort CHAMALEON (Polygram), maybe some of you guys saw Badi on Takamine ads, she has an extremely busy schedulle, mostly touring in Europe and Asia and actually she lives in America.
A few months back she had problems with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome on her left hand, but she's under treatment.
Badi is the youngest child in a family of well know musicians, she's has 2 brothers that played in duet, an act called DUO ASSAD who were very known worldwide, she's an person very related to the nature, to the dance and thinks that music and body should become one thing, but it's a shame that her career is mostly recognized outside of Brazil
Badi released 5 albums, the very first one is a brazilian only release and it is out of print, but orders can be placed on the official web site...
www.badi.com
there you can check her bio, discography and there's a good amount of merchandise (even videos and live cassetes are sold...), actually all orders must be paid through money orders or checks, but soon a credit card system will be set up..
Fans of cool music, filled with brazilian rhythms, lots of cool acoustic sounds - should check this great brazilian musician www.badi.com
Hope this help !!
GILBERTO
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:01:11 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Official Dream Theater Press Release Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901191456410.31461-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 Portnoy420@aol.com wrote:
> > January 18th, 1999 > For immediate release: > > Dream Theater changes keyboard player
What TF?? Is this real? I guess so...
This must be the biggest news I've ever seen announced on the YML... Derek leaving DT... He sure will be missed... He gave DT a new keyboard sound, that more 'jazzy', improvisational, free style that is so clear on OIAL...
And Jordan joining DT! Wow what a surprise! I guess he will head DT back into the Kevin Moore type of synth-sounds... I dunno... This is so exciting... Not the fact that Derek is leaving... But the fact that they immediately announced his replacement, JR, makes me wanna hear the new album right now!!
This surely is a change of seasons...
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:15:16 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Official Dream Theater Press Release Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901191504070.31461-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> As far as I can tell from the header it's 100% legit. And that REALLY > pisses me off. Granted, Jordan is one hell of a keyboard player, but I've > gotten used to the idea of Derek actually being a true member of DT, and it > pisses me off to hear that he's out as much as I was with Kevin leaving. > What the fuck is this? Musical DT Chairs? *grumbles* Sorry, > Portnoy420@aol.com, but I don't support this move in the least. :(
I guess we all will have to get used to the idea that it's probably not as much DT changing keyboard players, like in 'firing Derek'... Probably Derek felt it would be better if they parted ways... Maybe he didn't think of DT anymore what he thought when he joind OFB... Sorta like when Kevin left... I don't think it's fair to blame Mike for that... He can't do anything about it... I can't imagine Derek and the rest of the band NOT to part ways as friends... If you wanna blame Mike or anyone else for changing keyboard players, you also gotta blame Derek for deciding to leave.
Second, I think many of us are schocked reading all of this, it came so totally unexpected. But there's nothing we can do about it. We gotta give Jordan the chance he deserves. Also, I think Jordan will be much easier accepted than Derek (although I never had a problem with him, on the contrary). A lot of DT-fans know Jordan already because of his work with LTE. I never ever heard a bad review of that album (or of Jordan's playing for that matter). In fact many suggested that he would've been the better choice when Kevin left (although I don't want to state an opinion when it comes to that issue). Jordan also has another musical background than Derek. A background that some of the 'old' DT-fans will please more than Derek's did.
Anyway... It's a sad thing that Derek leaves so unexpectedly, and I really don't want to cheer joy about that, don't get me wrong... Derek was as much a member of DT to me as is Mike or KJLB... Especially since I saw him live, I learned to respect and love him... I think many of us will give OIAL a couple of turns, because that's where his talent really stands out...
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:17:59 -0500 From: W Layne Lowery <layne@pnut.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: derek and Jordan Message-ID: <36A49417.FEB89956@pnut.net>
I see everyone posting to the jam saying how they are pissed derek is gone or that they liked him and they welcome Jordan. I on the other hand am thrilled. No it's not cuz I think derek is a jerk or that I think his playing isn't quite representative of what DT stands for, it's cuz DT made a move towards what THEY want. I mean who knows what line up will work better than DT. I think we all should be happy for them considering they have chosen a Keys player they think really fits in. DT is a prog band, they always have been. They love prog. I mean most of their influences are of a prog or metal type. Derek was a rock Keyboardist in a prog band.
>derek where he said something along the lines of "i don't think i'd listen to DT if i didn't play in DT." >
Ok, this is a prime example. MP, JP and JM play music they like. JR likes this music as well. doesn't that make him a more logical choice. Most musicians and composers, when under pressure, write the type of music they are most comfortable with and tend to practice the most. this comes out for JP and MP in LTE. they had a week to do it and what did they play? PROG-METAL!!!! So wouldn't they want some one from the same background? We should all be happy that DT made a choice in what kind of sound they want. The only real freedom a lot of artists have today is that they have the choice of who they play with and what their music sounds like. I am thrilled for OFB. They have taken a step in the direction they want to go and I support them. I have always trusted in the decisions of the guys because they are the only people who know what is BEST for DT. Congradulations
On the Derek note, he was a great player and he will be missed.
Also, you people saying they are playing rotating keys, think about it. This is their third keys player. and god knows how many vocalists they have had. I mean i guess it's three officially but wouldn't you say the vocalist spot rotated as much as the keys? And the only reason the Keys spot is rotating is cuz kevmo left. He was a major part of the band and probabely would still be with them if he hadn't decided to leave cuz I don't think DT woulda kicked him out. they are trying to find a nitch on the keys like it seems that they have with Vox. I think Jordan may very well be the player they are looking for. I hope so, I have tremendous respect for the guy. Ok so there is my opinion -- W Layne Lowery Guitarist / Composer
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:17:58 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Derek, Female Muso' Message-ID: <002001be43b6$83b468a0$3a1110ac@DEMCCOR.clemson.edu>
]From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com <David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com> Subject: Derek, Female Muso'
> This Derek split thing is like when a friend dumps a boyfriend or > girlfriend that everyone in the group you hang out in get on with > really well, all you friends can't understand it.
funny you put it that way, cuz i had sort of a different but similar analogy - when there's a couple and the guy starts hanging out with this other chick but he insists she's just a friend and stuff but then eventually he has to admit to the first chick that he wants to dump her and hook up with the other one... at least, that's how i see it now... we'll have to wait and see what more we hear from the band as to the circumstances surrounding the departure. moo.
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