YTSEJAM Digest 4588
Today's Topics:
1) holy cow
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Jordan
by Carlos Alfaro <progboy@mindless.com>
3) The big news
by Breaker 19 <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
4) Derek <> Jordan
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
5) 2 cents
by Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com>
6) Comment
by Bobby Tufino <slimegod@deskmail.com>
7) LTE show on 1/22
by "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
8) DT's new keys...and the ensuing debate
by "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pfc-corp.com>
9) more derek ramblings
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
10) Why i want the whole story...
by Paul Drapeau <paul@ageofvalor.com>
11) Vented outrage on the list
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
12) Re: Research Queen
by "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com>
13) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4586
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
14) KC (and the sunshine band)
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
15) Re: Key change!
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
16) Re: 2 cents
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
17) Re: Derek <> Jordan
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
18) Jordan Online
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
19) next album
by Ryan Blankenship <rblanken@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:33:50 PST
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: holy cow
Message-ID: <19990119183351.15982.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi there, I just turned my back to the computer for one day, turn it
back on and see 5 jams on Monday. Somebody trying to unsubscribe?
Derek gone. No LitS II. I was a little skeptic. All this octoban shit
and no clearing word from Mike, now this. Explains everything. CHristina
- do you have any news? Could you send me Dereks e-mail address or post
it, maybe sb would like to say g-bye personally. The new album? Will
rock like the others before(includingFII), but I can't wait to get it.
Am I excited by the replacement? I don't know yet. I didn't hear the
album yet. I don't want to jump to eulogy before I hear that guy
playing. The TTTmp3 didn't convince me. LTE did though. Let's see what
happens.
bye derek,
seb
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:11:27 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <progboy@mindless.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Jordan
Message-ID: <36A4E6EF.5A7ABB70@mindless.com>
Peter Geerts wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Elydian wrote:
>
> > much of the material for the next album is already written, hence how much
> > material JR is going to be writing? Met 2, as is well known, is already
> > (more or less) finished, but what about the other material?
>
> I believe they'll probably use Met II... It has all been written and I
> doubt that Jordan will bring big additional changes in this....
> As to the other music, UACM states that they'll be working ' a la LTE',
> meaning that they'll write and record the music more or less at the same
> time. This means that for Met II they'll do the same as with ACOS. ACOS
> was written with Kevin still in DT, and Derek just played Kevin's parts
> for the record... I do believe that the same thing happened for some FII
> songs. Some of them were already written before Derek became an official
> member. Is this true? And were the keyboard parts also finished yet, or
> did Derek write them afterwards? Other songs on FII were definitaly
> written while Derek was in the band (LiTS, Anna Lee)... But I don't know
> about NM or ToT...
> Anyway, it looks like Jordan will have a lot to say when it comes to the
> new album....
Ok first of all... most of ACos' keyboard parts are WAY different on the album
version than on the demos with Kevin, and NO not any FII song was written with
kevin or without derek for that matter, also.. new millenium i remember it was one
of the last songs dt wrote for FII, and somewhere i read derek saying that the
main theme was his, anyways finally mi opinion on this whole thing well, I want to
know more about the circumstances that prompted this, althought im looking forward
to dt with jordan, but i will surely miss dereks playing a lot. Another cool
replacement IMO wouldve been Matt Guillory! (althought im not sure if hes in a
band) Another thought ive had, is that this probably has been in the works for a
while, and maybe DT decided not to go public until they could get a replacement
(or confirm Jordans place) , also ..another opinion on when someone mentioned
another thing that has nothing to do with Dereks playing.. his clothes. !
anyways.. i dont know if you noticed but most of the other dt members also changed
their looks and clothes...why? because its the late 90's Would you rather see
them still wearing tight old jeans and silk shirts with the chest all bare? Ok
granted, James should lose his leather pants :) but if you watch 5YiAL and then
LiT and you tell me youd rather see the band looking like they did in 93' i think
you have a warped sense of style. Im sure most lady jammers here will agree with
me that they look and dress 100% better than they did back then . The fact that
you are still into the tight jeans silk shirt thing doesnt make it cool...
Important : when i say you i mean everyone who thinks that way and not any single
person!
"[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci
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There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:15:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Breaker 19 <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The big news
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.990119140734.6525B-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
Well when I read about the big change, I must say that I wasn't all that
broken up about it. The way I see it, they replaced one kick-ass player
with another kick-ass player. As long as we still have a kick-ass player,
right? I personally don't see it changing DT too much, and it doesn't
affect the way I feel about the band. It does kinda suck for Derek
though, cuz it's like when your girl is seeing someone else, and then one
day it's "I've met this other guy and we really get along and I don't
think you and I are gonna work out, so hit the road." Anyways, DT is
still DT to me.
In other news, with all the System of a Down talk on here recently, I'd
like to mention that my band is going to open for them here in Michigan
sometime next month, with a date TBA.
Ciao.
NP - Everlast
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:20:13 EST
From: ToxicSheep@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Derek <> Jordan
Message-ID: <2ceb167b.36a4daed@aol.com>
Derek is the man!, and I wish him luck on his solo album. Did everyone
catch that? Someone posted saying that it would come out May on Magna
Carta...I'm looking forward to that, as well as LaBrie's. Considering that he
co/wrote wrote Anna Lee and LiTS, 2 of my favs off FII, I think his solo stuff
will kick ass. What do you guys think?
Jordan is incredible...I can't wait to see how he affects DT. Hmmm...this
should really boost his RPM sales ;)- great album BTW. It's in my changer, and
is playing now...I suggest you guys get it if you don't have it already, and
want more of a feel of the Rudess style.
Has anyone else considered or thought about this?... Jordan's departure.
He seems to independant to stay in DT. Let's face it- He rejected them once,
and probably not be in the band longer than Derek. Just an opinion.
Personally, I think the main reason he joined DT is so that he could play out
more.
later,
@ |> A (V)
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:25:46 -0800
From: Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: 2 cents
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990119112544.00b8d290@objypop>
> I can almost guarantee it. It'll definatly be "proggier" than it
>was before, because Derek was always a bit hesitant to take keyboard leads
>(notice how many, or lack thereof, keyboard leads on FII as opposed to
>Kev's performance on "Awake", for example) and Jordan likes the keyboard
>leads. If anything, a mixture of "Awake" and "LTE" should be in order.
Hm. I find the opposite to be true. The only key leads I can really think
of on "Awake" are in 6:00 and Scarred. On FII, you've got BMS, HK, two in
TOT, as well as very prominent organ/piano work in songs like LITS, Anna
Lee, NM. Awake was very key flat.
~Chris
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:54:29 -0500
From: Bobby Tufino <slimegod@deskmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Comment
Message-ID: <36A4E2F5.EDACA406@deskmail.com>
Just wanted to say, besides the great things the keys change will do for
DT, I think it's having a good effect on the jam too...while I think
some of these jammers are being a little cruel and spiteful (which can
be okay) to Derek...I mean, kicking a guy when he's down? And by the
way I wonder if Derek is cool with this...anyway the jam hasn't been
this interesting in a while, I mean I think it's great that we discuss
other bands and music theory and what not, but it's cool we're
discussing actual DT, you know? There hasn't been this much overall DTC
in AGES. I think it's a good thing, and I think it's cool that for the
most part we're being supportive, because even though I'm sure the guys
in the band are happy with their decision, it can't hurt to get positive
feedback from the fans...before you even release anything new! As for
all of us who want explanations, I expect we just need to be patient,
the whole KevMo thing eventually came out in interviews and stuff like
that, and I'm sure it will be the same with this. Later.
Bobby
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:57:56 -0500
From: "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
To: Under A Glass Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE show on 1/22
Message-ID: <BDBBCD37EA65D1119E9600A0C9982D75AB526C@mail.pwcg.com>
if anyone from the NY/Northern NJ area is planning on going to the Philly
show and wouldn't mind a carpool passenger, drop me a line privately...i
just found out my ride's car crapped out...
mikE emerson
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:03:43 -0500
From: "Bernard, Chris" <CBernard@pfc-corp.com>
To: "'ytsejam@axnet.net'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: DT's new keys...and the ensuing debate
Message-ID: <18DB7F3D6363D1119B080060083FF42C476570@PFC_EXCH01>
Hey jammers:
i've only been subscribed since Friday...since this is my first time,
bear with me. i have $ .02 and have to throw it in.
Fact 1: DT has changed keyboardists.
Fact 2: As of right now, it doesn't matter -- outside of the 6 guys
involved.
By way of explanation:
So DT has replaced keyboardists; that's business. It happens all the
time, even when you least expect it(Queensryche changing it's line-up --
NEVER! Whoops; never say never!) So life goes on. They announce DS's
replacement. OK. Fine. Now's not the time to rejoice. It's not the time
to criticize. It's certainly not the time to wage flame warfare over the
subject. Big deal -- they could name Harvey the Wonder Hamster as a new
member of the band. Point is -- there will be a new album out under the
Dream Theater name. i will buy it. Then will be time to judge the
prudence of the move -- and even then, there will be as many different
opinions as there will be listeners. So wait 'til the record comes out
and then see what kind of move this is. (Whoops -- record -- i meant
album; and didn't mean to show my age!)
A question: In my pursuit of information useless to me -- and since i
haven't been to the DT website in a couple of weeks -- anybody heard
where they are going to record and who will be twisting the knobs?
Thanks for listening
CHRIS
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:06:25 -0500
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: more derek ramblings
Message-ID: <36A4E5C1.F637BDBD@trw.com>
Derek never fit the prog metal mold. He came from playing with Alice
Cooper and KISS. I believe he even said that he enjoys playing and
listening to hard rock and that he isn't a prog fan. The other members
of DT and JR are prog fans and come from that background. I thought
Derek sounded fine with DT but I believe he is better off playing the
music he enjoys.
NP:Rush-2112
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:06:28 -0500 From: Paul Drapeau <paul@ageofvalor.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Why i want the whole story... Message-ID: <01BE43BD.4B1FD590.paul@ageofvalor.com>
I would like to know the whole story about Derek's demise for one reason and that is I would like to know where John Myung fits into Dream Theater now. I mean if it was MP and JP deciding that they liked the feel of playing with JR better then what does this mean about how they feel about LTE's relationship with the band.
Not for a second am I suggesting that Levin would ever replace John Myung but with all the talk on the jam about how DT is "3/5 LTE" and how great a LTE/DT tour would be I just don't know how statements and sentiments like that could be a good thing for the band.
I think Labire could handle being off stage for an LTE opener... He does it all the time for instrumentals and as far as I have heard likes the breaks... but from Myung's perspective it would be a party he was not invited to... I don't know how this would effect the band itself...
The whole story would clear this up... primarily I would like to know who's idea it was (so I can pat them on the back) but also so we can know what the band chemistry is really like now...
Paul Drapeau paul@ageofvalor.com Age of Valor Live Role Playing http://www.ageofvalor.com/
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:19:06 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Vented outrage on the list Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990119150422.10740A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Usually when an announcement such as this is made aloud, it shocks everyone into silence. Damn, we're backwards. I will still support the group, and now I'll have to keep tabs on what Derek is up to as well. When will it end? Oh, the humanity! By the way, since Buffoon Vai reposted it: >Bitches tend mainly to be female. Unless, of course, it follows the word "prison." Which then relates back to poor Gaz's misunderstood comments about George O'Dowd and Marilyn.
P
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:22:02 PST From: "Trent Thornton" <stairway2kashmir@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Research Queen Message-ID: <19990119202203.3310.qmail@hotmail.com>
Bafu Vai wrote this stuff here- >>Celine Dion and Mariah Carey are female solo vocal artists and do not >> APPEAR to play any instruments, although they write/co-write. > >Why do you keep using words like "APPEAR" when it's clear you know more than >the person who compiled that original list?
That chick is just stupid. First, she wanted a list of female musicians. Then she wanted a list of female musicians that don't front an actual band. Then she wanted a list of female musicians who don't front an actual band who "play an instrument". Then she wanted a list of female musicians who don't front an actual band who "play an instrument" and write their stuff. Then she wanted a list of female musicians who don't front an actual band who "play an instrument", write their stuff and "play in public" or something like that. When the hell is it going to be good enough for her?!?!?
Trent = Check out my Led Zeppelin website http://members.xoom.com/Celebration
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4586 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901191520180.4064-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> >From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> > >Subject: Re: DEREK OUT!!! > > > >> Maybe not, but I sure hope EVERYONE is disappointed with the fact > that > >> Derek leaves... > > > > I'm not. > > See, now, people, this is how it should be: someone who isn't upset > that Derek is gone is saying, "I'm not upset that Derek is gone." Syrinx was > 100% mature about how he feels about this situation, and said so, without > being insulting or degrading towards Derek in the least. Kudos to him. Let's > try to be a little more mature about this and not insult the guy on his way > out the door.
The "desention" among those who weren't Derek fans shouldn't keep quiet just because he's no longer in the group. I just think it's "taking the high road" to look at the good points he brought into the band, rather than saying "what an asshole!@?!" and dismissing him like yesterday's news. Keep in mind that I, like MojoMan, felt that Derek was a rock keyboardist in a prog band (and DT was fitted towards Derek's weak suit: taking leads, in both writing and keyboarding) and that Jordan (the same way Kevin was before he left the band) is a prog keyboardist. For all the talk about "labelling" DT, they *are* a progressive metal band. Derek was a sqaure peg in a round hole (and i don't mean that in a sexual or any other way other than 'he just didn't fit the band's nature' so piss off) whereas Jordan fits in quite nicely.
<shrug> I may not have been Pro-Derek, but he can look back on the past four and a half years (1994-1998) as very positive ones for him (both as a musician and a virtuoso) and for the band (both as writers and performers).
- mike.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:26:47 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: KC (and the sunshine band) Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091E2@messaging>
<<< While a KC/LTE/DT show would rule verily, um...don't you think at least KC and DT should get equal billing? After all, haven't they been prog-rocking since most of the folks in DT were toddlers? I'll leave individual quality assessments to individuals (as they should be), but I think King Crimson is AT LEAST as good if not better than DT. >>>
As a huge KC fan myself, I must concede. KC's about twice as old as I am; maybe we should cut them a little slack.... :)
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:29:34 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> Subject: Re: Key change! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901191528050.4064-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> While a KC/LTE/DT show would rule verily, um...don't you think at least KC and > DT should get equal billing? After all, haven't they been prog-rocking since > most of the folks in DT were toddlers? I'll leave individual quality > assessments to individuals (as they should be), but I think King Crimson is AT > LEAST as good if not better than DT.
King Crimson would get top billing. To think otherwise is a slap in all of progressive rock history. LTE just wouldn't fit in a show like this.
- mike.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com> Subject: Re: 2 cents Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901191530500.4064-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> > I can almost guarantee it. It'll definatly be "proggier" than it > >was before, because Derek was always a bit hesitant to take keyboard leads > >(notice how many, or lack thereof, keyboard leads on FII as opposed to > >Kev's performance on "Awake", for example) and Jordan likes the keyboard > >leads. If anything, a mixture of "Awake" and "LTE" should be in order. > > Hm. I find the opposite to be true. The only key leads I can really think > of on "Awake" are in 6:00 and Scarred. On FII, you've got BMS, HK, two in > TOT, as well as very prominent organ/piano work in songs like LITS, Anna > Lee, NM. Awake was very key flat.
1. Kevin wrote 6:00, btw. That kidna helps. :)
2. Kevin was much more comfy taking keyboard leads for more than 15 bars, something that Derek really didn't do (and when he did - Burning My Soul, Pervuaian Skies - he was usually buried in the mix) whereas Kevin's leads weren't felt as (at least by me) "segueways" to the next section.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:35:14 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Derek <> Jordan Message-ID: <001601be43eb$38024140$3a1110ac@DEMCCOR.clemson.edu>
]From: ToxicSheep@aol.com <ToxicSheep@aol.com> Subject: Derek <> Jordan
> Has anyone else considered or thought about this?... Jordan's departure. >He seems to independant to stay in DT. Let's face it- He rejected them once, >and probably not be in the band longer than Derek. Just an opinion.
he rejected them to join another band. it's not like he has anything against the band setting. moo.
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:41:19 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jordan Online Message-ID: <36A4EDEF.FAF8F33B@ozemail.com.au>
Anyone know where I can buy Jordan's solo albums and RMP online, apart from Jordan's site, I mean with credit card payment ?
thanks gaz
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:44:23 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Blankenship <rblanken@freenet.columbus.oh.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: next album Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9901191523.A13588-a100000@login>
everyone seems to be saying now that the next album is gonna sound like either I&W or LTE or not FII or whatever, but shouldnt we all be expecting something new?...i mean none of dt's albums sound anything like any of their others...im sure, that especially with a brand new keyboardist they are going to "progress" even further and come out with something that will totally suprise us all...i&w was great, but i certainly dont want another cd that sounds like it...theyre not gonna "regress" back to the old days, and i doubt that were gonna get LTE3 from them either...whatever it is, i cant wait...
ryan
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