YTSEJAM Digest 4589
Today's Topics:
1) Yet another somewhat humble Derek opinion
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
2) Re: next album
by "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
3) Prison bitches
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
4) Dream Theater progressing....
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
5) Time to add another 'mentor'
by "Dina M. Roberts" <droberts@ptdprolog.net>
6) Derek, Jordan and me :P
by "-=Dennis Leeflang=-" <dl@xs4all.nl>
7) The perpetual revolving, yet open, door
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
8) Keyobardists with a little muscle...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
9) Re: New Keyboardist!
by Computer Jim DTFOTL <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
10) Derek's departure or something...
by "Anders Olsson" <scarred@swipnet.se>
11) Re: more derek ramblings
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
12) Re: DT's new keys...and the ensuing debate
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
13) LTE in NYC
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
14) Rudess TTT Mp3
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
15) Deep thoughts..
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
16) Time to add another 'mentor'
by "Dina M. Roberts" <droberts@ptdprolog.net>
17) Derek Moments
by MaxArbot@aol.com
18) Re: Best Move DT Ever Made...
by MaxArbot@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:57:32 -0800
From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Yet another somewhat humble Derek opinion
Message-ID: <36A4F1BC.C06D572@ucla.edu>
Ok, here's my take on the situation. Im not too terribly upset at the
revolving door that is the spot of keyboardist for DT, but I feel like I
was just getting used to Derek. Im probably somewhere on the fence in
regards to my feelings of relief/disappointment about this predicament,
but I can honestly say that I will miss him. He started out as the guy
I loved to hate; I just couldnt take him seriously in all his pimp daddy
platform shoe-ed splendor. I thought and still do think that he doesnt
fit into the band very well, but I have to admit Im gonna miss his
zaniness, his stupid antics, and the hideous David Lee Roth impression
he did at the Irving Plaza show he did last month.
I for one don't think DT owes me or any other fans an explanation.
Im glad at least that though the band has "parted ways" with Derek, he
will be followed by such a talented keyboardist (no I dont look at this
as a replacement).
Whoever made the comment about DT making the next album sound like
I&W.. Im sorry to be rude but thats one of the stupidest things Ive seen
posted in a while. Being a musician is about changing and evolving,
getting new ideas and improving on past ones, not taking what your fans
consider to be your best album and making a duplicate. Derek added a
lot of new ideas and influences to DT. Sometimes I outright hated his
style, but it was refreshing to hear something different. Another
thing: I wish people would stop making references to the fact that Derek
was a "rock/metal" player in a "prog" band. Give these musicians some
credit and dont limit them to genres.
/me prepares to go hide in the corner with the handful of non FII-haters
~~Amanda
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:12:23 -0600
From: "Brian D. Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: next album
Message-ID: <36a4f5366ee4001@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <Pine.3.07.9901191523.A13588-a100000@login>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
>
> everyone seems to be saying now that the next album is gonna sound like
> either I&W or LTE or not FII or whatever, but shouldnt we all be expecting
> something new?
Exactly.
People who think this will be LTE 3 are stupid. LTE was written in a week, and
partially improved. It will be totally different from writing a regular album,
not to mention the added input of Myung and LaBrie.
People who think they'll go back to sounding like I&W are also stupid. In case
you hadn't noticed, Kevin has been gone for years and the rest of the band has
moved further from that style with every release.
And I even heard somone say on irc that the next album will sound like the
Rudess Morganstien Project. I'll let that idiocy stand on its own.
And one last note...why don't people chill? The band doesn't owe us jack shit. A
rational person supports a band as is, and moves on if they don't like any
changes which occur. When you buy a cd or a concert ticket, you're buying
exactly that. You're not buying partial rights to tell a band what to do in the
future. They don't owe us a progmetal album. They don't owe us a jazzy feel.
They don't owe us an explanation. They only owe it to themselves to do what the
think is right musically.
Deal with it. Love it or hate it or ignore it, but it's not gonna change, so
your reaction is your own problem.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:21:52 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Prison bitches
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091E3@messaging>
"That night he, and four other inmates, took turns PISSING ... into the
bitch's ocular cavities"... :)
(I believe this has come up before)...
<<<
By the way, since Buffoon Vai reposted it:
>Bitches tend mainly to be female.
Unless, of course, it follows the word "prison." Which then relates back
to poor Gaz's misunderstood comments about George O'Dowd and Marilyn.
>>>
David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:26:38 -0800 (PST)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Dream Theater progressing....
Message-ID: <19990119212638.5969.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com>
Well like everyone else, I was completely shocked to find out that
Derek is no longer in DT. I don't really see this as a very bad
thing. I loved the Kev-Dt, I liked the Derek-Dt and I like LTE. I
love everything that DT has put out and I think as far as there
'sound' they really are progressing. Every album does have its
similarities, but not so much to say 'been there, done that'. I am
sad to see Derek go but I am happy with Jordan coming aboard and am
curious to see which direction they are going to take.
later all
==
John
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:26:23 -0500
From: "Dina M. Roberts" <droberts@ptdprolog.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Time to add another 'mentor'
Message-ID: <000b01be44bb$8bd33380$2e24bacc@jon-s-tube>
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Well, as bummed as I am to see Derek go, I am very excited about the =
things Jordan will bring to DT.
As I begin learning his style(attempting I should say), I would love to =
here that
Take the Time clip he did with DT.
Anyone know where I can get it?
Thanx
Jon, Progressive Follower of the Progressive Gods
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Well, as bummed as I am to see Derek =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>As I begin learning his =
style(attempting I=20
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DT.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Anyone know where I can get =
it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thanx</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:33:30 +0100
From: "-=Dennis Leeflang=-" <dl@xs4all.nl>
To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek, Jordan and me :P
Message-ID: <000b01be43f3$5d6d2320$2a856dc2@dl.xs4all.nl>
Hey there....
Yes I'm still alive... I have been busy doing other things than just sitting
behind my puter all day. :P I am currently involved in a Pantera tribute
project/band. It features me on drums, Marcel Coenen (Lemur Voice) on
guitar, Nick Hameury (Form) on vox and a guy called Alex on bass... We rule!
:P For all you Dutch readers: we play a gig in Echt (L) on friday. Email me
for details.
But what did I hear today!!!!!! Derek leaving DT!. My God what a shock. To
be honest, I dunno what I would have done if Jordan wasn't the one to
replace him. God this is news!
I quickly scrolled down some of the latest jams and sadly discovered that
some of you guys now start pissing all over Derek. I have no clue why he
left at all, but this is sad. Derek was a very cool dude and he doesn't
deserve it to be kicked in the back.
Also I wonder why this happened. I remember very well that alot of you guys
always talked about Jordan replacing Derek. So I guess some people got very
happy :)
Could someone please explain to me why Derek exactly left? Or is it not
clear yet?
I'm looking forward to reading the next Jam
Tada
Dennis "Stickmaster D." Leeflang
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Find Stickmaster D. at ICQ #21285351
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~ Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden)
from "Listen With Nicko!" Part X
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:30:01 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The perpetual revolving, yet open, door
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091E4@messaging>
I'm beginning to wonder if DT (at least JM, JP, MP, and KJLB) gave JR an
open door when he originally joined Dixie Dregs as opposed to DT. Did they
give him the old "the offer is still on the table" line? I wonder because
it seems, as soon as JR showed serious interest, they had him join the band.
I originally thought this because, on Jordan's webpage
(http://www.mediusvision.com/jordan), he is quoted in his "daily journal" to
say, "Today I joined Dream Theater -Jordan-". This made it sound like it
was his idea... Maybe... OK fine, maybe I am just starved due to the lack
of explanation, and have had way too much time to speculate... Shutting up
now.... *oink* :)
David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:34:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Keyobardists with a little muscle...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990119133239.3750A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
http://www.mediusvision.com/jordan/JR_NEW_LOOK.html
And while you're at it, y'all might wanna check out Jordan's homepage:
http://www.mediusvision.com/jordan/
And dreamtheater.net has a bio (lifted from the JR homepage) now...
Just so you know.
--Matt (JR doesn't seem very old...)
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incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper." -- Rod Serling
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:33:00 -0500
From: Computer Jim DTFOTL <jpepe@typhoon.lightning.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: New Keyboardist!
Message-ID: <36A4FA0C.77E4DDE3@typhoon.lightning.net>
Stephen Dedalus wrote:
> FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKK YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAhHHHHHHHH!!!!!
> Jordan Rudas kicks so much ass that DT will be re-boosted to new
> heights!
> I'm so fucking excited to see the new albom! God, what a musical
> hard-on!
Yeah.,.. SERIOUSLY... I was just sitting here mouth wide-open going YEAH
AWESOME SHIT YEAH! =)
hehehe
Recovered.
=)
jim
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:37:05 +0100
From: "Anders Olsson" <scarred@swipnet.se>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Derek's departure or something...
Message-ID: <002301be43f3$fdfa3620$1d72f482@win95.swipnet.se>
Hi,
I'm still pretty much in chock since I read Mike's announcement regarding
Derek's departure.
Dream Theater has always amazed me with every album I've gotten, and until
I saw them live, I preferred Kevin's style of playing. Perhaps because
Awake was my favorite album (still is?). But when I finally got to see them
for the first time in Denmark 1997 I got my butt severely kicked!
Especially now with Derek gone, I bless that "special" day when I got to
see Lines In The Sand live, with Derek all over it.
Of course, I really like Rudess' playing as well (I only have LTE so far)
and I assume, and hope, Dream Theater will head in yet another direction
with the new album, and not go back to the Images & Words kind of songs,
while still being able to apply the freshness and humor Derek brought to
the music and the live appearances. Basically, I want more great SONGS,
like New Millennium, Hollow Years and Lines In The Sand.
Oh well, DT have managed to impress me every time before, so I guess this
will be no exception.
By the way, I know this isn't very coherent or well thought out, but as I
said, I'm in some sort of chock, and I'm tired as hell :)
/Anders
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:39:37 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: more derek ramblings
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901192236210.12568-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Pat Daugherty wrote:
> Derek never fit the prog metal mold. He came from playing with Alice
> Cooper and KISS. I believe he even said that he enjoys playing and
> listening to hard rock and that he isn't a prog fan. The other members
> of DT and JR are prog fans and come from that background. I thought
> Derek sounded fine with DT but I believe he is better off playing the
> music he enjoys.
Exactly... That is also why we, the fans, will most likely accept Jordan
easier than we accepted Derek. We all know Jordan, and know his abilities
and we only have praising words on his work. When it comes to Derek, I
don't think many of knew him before he went touring with DT. I mean Alice
and Kiss aren't exactly the kind of bands average DT fans would listen to
right? That's why it's normal I think that there'll be much more cheers
and joy and all with the announcement that Jordan joins DT than when Derek
replaced KM...
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:44:57 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: DT's new keys...and the ensuing debate
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901192240120.12568-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Bernard, Chris wrote:
>
> replacement. OK. Fine. Now's not the time to rejoice. It's not the time
> to criticize. It's certainly not the time to wage flame warfare over the
> subject. Big deal -- they could name Harvey the Wonder Hamster as a new
I disagree with you here. I think that all this replacement stuff is
really worth talking about... I think that now is a good occasion too
discuss some real DTC... After all, how often do these things happen? What
do you expect us, the DT fans to do? To sit back and say 'Okay now that we
know that, let's go on'? No way Jose... This is the time to get a real
debate (not a flame war) about DT's keys sound and how they changed over
the past years... Besides, I think most of us find this rather exciting,
thinking that the new DT album could be something entirely different from
what we've imagined...
I do at least...
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:52:59 -0500
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE in NYC
Message-ID: <36A4FEBB.D037FB31@ic3.ithaca.edu>
How do I purchase tickets??? email me privately
-Chris
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:45:35 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Rudess TTT Mp3
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990119134535.008d3430@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
Could someone post the URL where I can download the TTT version where
Jordan is playing?
Thanks!
Jon
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:52:55 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Deep thoughts..
Message-ID: <36A4FEB7.9ABE0990@isd.net>
What is to become of Platypus? Any ideas?
Here's some food for thought... King's X adds a keyboard player!
Now wouldn't that be interesting?
Derek's wild sounds over Doug's gurgling bass?
That's a scary thought... I think it would kick ass.
They could call the new album: King's X - "X-rated"
Get dem hips a moving, boy!
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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/Al contemplates buying two lava lamps.
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:53:15 -0500
From: "Dina M. Roberts" <droberts@ptdprolog.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Time to add another 'mentor'
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Well, as bummed as I am to see Derek go, I am very excited about the =
things Jordan will bring to DT.
As I begin learning his style(attempting I should say), I would love to =
here that
Take the Time clip he did with DT.
Anyone know where I can get it?
=20
Thanx
=20
Jon, Progressive Follower of the Progressive Gods
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Well, as bummed as I am to see Derek =
go, I am=20
very excited about the things Jordan will bring to DT.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>As I begin learning his =
style(attempting I=20
should say), I would love to here that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Take the Time clip he did with =
DT.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Anyone know where I can get =
it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thanx</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:17:08 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Derek Moments
Message-ID: <48fee155.36a50464@aol.com>
I just wanted to suggest that everyone listen to what Derek does on "Scarred."
It's really great. Just felt like sharing a little Derek appreciation with
the rest of the 'Jammers.
[eriC]
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:26:56 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Best Move DT Ever Made...
Message-ID: <b38f5223.36a506b0@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/18/99 11:18:04 PM Central Standard Time, Paul Drapeau
<paul@ageofvalor.com> writes:
<< Now if we can only get them to go back to the old "Dream Theater" font for
the CD covers :) >>
Yes, yes! Where do I sign the petition?
[eriC]
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