YTSEJAM Digest 4590
Today's Topics:
1) Things that make you go, hmm...
by MaxArbot@aol.com
2) What he will play
by Eric Joseph Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
3) When Dream and Liquid Unite
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) TTT MP3 featuring Jordan Rudess
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
5) LIE CD 4 sale
by MentalHunk@aol.com
6) Re: 2 cents
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
7) Good God!!
by Tokugawa Tigger-ette <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
8) My take on Derek
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
9) KC/LTE/DT
by "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4586
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
11) NDTC---But cool SOD NEWS---READ!
by "Wes Foll (Beavis)" <follwes@sc.llu.edu>
12) Re: holy cow
by AnalogGal@aol.com
13) rocknroll keyboard
by Ryan Blankenship <rblanken@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
14) Re: Comment
by AnalogGal@aol.com
15) Boy meets girl metaphor
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
16) Derek's Solo Album
by IceQD@aol.com
17) Thanks For the Help Everyone
by IceQD@aol.com
18) I beg to differ...
by AnalogGal@aol.com
19) Re: Thanks For the Help Everyone
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
20) Re: Thanks For the Help Everyone
by Freez Frame <phr33zphr4m3@yahoo.com>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:33:28 EST
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Things that make you go, hmm...
Message-ID: <69239b22.36a50838@aol.com>
Derek writes...
<< I was replaced by Jordan Rudess. >>
Hmm...
[eriC]
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:34:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Joseph Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: What he will play
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9901191732500.21139-100000@curly.cc.emory.edu>
Here is the debate I want to see: what songs will JR play. I would hate
to see someone his caliber have to sit through You Not Me or Take Away My
Pain -- hell Burning My Soul is pushing it. Anyway, other than Anna Lee
any other takes on what he will play? Personally I cannot wait until JR
solo intro in Lines, somehow I think it will be just fine.
-Eric
ps Does Jordan write lyrics?
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:56:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: When Dream and Liquid Unite
Message-ID: <19990119225650.18062.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
Wow! Derek shocker! Took forever to read the backlog of reactions in
the jam. So here's some of my reactions to recent jams:
1. What will the new DT sound like? Well, it will be a cross between
DT and LTE. My guess is that the big difference will be that they will
take more time to compose and record than was spent on the LTE
projects. Obviously, they will focus more on vocal compositions for
the new DT recording. Hopefully Jordan will bring back a little more
of the "mood and atmosphere" that were missing on FII. And being a
neo-classical junkie, his classical background is a welcome addition,
at least for me.
2. Derek vs. Kevin vs. Jordan? Well, many of us moaned about the loss
of Kevin for years, so the loss of Derek will no doubt be moaned for
awhile. Maybe not as much though. ;o) The real debate will start when
the new DT comes out. Then we can compare all 3 of them.
3. Derek eulogy. Many people enjoyed Derek's playing style and will
miss him. Although it's always a matter of personnal preference, no
one ever denied that he was a good player.
But sometimes I don't understand how bringing a lava lamp to a gig
makes a player any better or worse. It's just about the music for me.
I can care less how the players are dressed, or if they shove a 1000
watt light bulb up their ass and shoot light beams out their belly
button!
4. Why is Derek out? Well, I don't think that the guys in DT owe us
any further explanation. It was always obvious that he wasn't a
"perfect" fit in the band. He taste in music and interests were always
a little different. No doubt if it were up to Derek, he would rather
be touring with a straight ahead rock band that also had the benefit
of large number of nubile young groupies.
5. Good move or bad? Let's talk record sales. There's a lot of old DT
fans out there that would not have picked up the next DT disc if Derek
was still in the band. Simple fact. With Jordan in the band, old and
new fans will be anxious to pick up the new disc. Mo' money!
But of course that wouldn't be the only reason, maybe just a good side
effect. ;o) Once again, if Jordan had been available after Awake, we
would have never heard of Derek. Jordan was the first choice.
Actually this works out great for Jordan, since Derek stood in there
and took the abuse of thousands of rabid Kevin Moore fans. Jordan will
not be under the same fire.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:00:02 EST
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: TTT MP3 featuring Jordan Rudess
Message-ID: <199901192300.SAA03742@mint-square.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
For those of you who want to hear what the old material
might sound like with Jordan Rudess, I urge you to download
the Take The Time MP3 that was in circulation a few months
ago at Lines in the Sand. See the URL below if you haven't
visited already.
I particularly like the jam at the end of the song - it gives
some insight how jams with him might sound.
Anyways, enjoy (if you haven't already),
Bogie
Dream Theater -- Lines in the Sand
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
The Official _Unofficial_ Dream Theater Web Site
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:03:53 EST
From: MentalHunk@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LIE CD 4 sale
Message-ID: <f59b4b8d.36a50f59@aol.com>
Hello JAmmers....
I have a LIE cd single for sale....price is 100$ FIRM , including
shipping.....domestic US Only, payable by money order....
E-mail me privately if interested....no junk mail please...if you don't want
it,
don't e-mail me
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:01:31 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: 2 cents
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990119180131.008496c0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
You all forgot Derek's lead in jlmb.
At 12:46 PM 1/19/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
> > > I can almost guarantee it. It'll definatly be "proggier" than it
> > >was before, because Derek was always a bit hesitant to take keyboard
leads
> > >(notice how many, or lack thereof, keyboard leads on FII as opposed to
> > >Kev's performance on "Awake", for example) and Jordan likes the keyboard
> > >leads. If anything, a mixture of "Awake" and "LTE" should be in order.
> >
> > Hm. I find the opposite to be true. The only key leads I can really
think
> > of on "Awake" are in 6:00 and Scarred. On FII, you've got BMS, HK, two in
> > TOT, as well as very prominent organ/piano work in songs like LITS, Anna
> > Lee, NM. Awake was very key flat.
>
> 1. Kevin wrote 6:00, btw. That kidna helps. :)
>
>
> 2. Kevin was much more comfy taking keyboard leads for more than
> 15 bars, something that Derek really didn't do (and when he did - Burning
> My Soul, Pervuaian Skies - he was usually buried in the mix) whereas
> Kevin's leads weren't felt as (at least by me) "segueways" to the next
> section.
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:12:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Tokugawa Tigger-ette <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Good God!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990119170921.26972A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Hello all,
This is my first time posting to this list. I subscribed in June with an
old email account, and just checked it. I was suprised when I had 569
messages! What a pleasnt suprise. I am very glad that Derek is gone, he
did not fit in with the rest of the band, soundwise, personality wise, and
his whole image. My friend said when he first saw him he thought he looked
like one of the guys from Matchbox 20. I am personally looking forward
even more to the next release!
Kurt
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:47:56 -0600
From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: My take on Derek
Message-ID: <36A519AC.B93D5B1D@flash.net>
Hi all,
As far as I'm concerned, Derek is a great musician. I however preferred
what I consider to be the smooth sound of Kevin's live keyboard playing
as opposed to Derek's almost staccato delivery. I think Jordan will be
the best of the three as far as his overall influence on the band and
live playing. Here's to the new millennium's theme music, brought to us
by a freshly new Dream Theater. Later, Kevin.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:08:07 -0800 From: "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: KC/LTE/DT Message-ID: <003601be4409$12240ee0$9b5ec998@progrockboy>
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>King Crimson would get top billing. To think otherwise is a slap >in all of progressive rock history. LTE just wouldn't fit in a show = like >this. > >- mike. >
Umm-- I think LTE will already be there, considering the fact that Tony = Levin is the bassist for King Crimson, mikey. Personally, I think it would be billed as a King Crimson show, with = special guests, Dream Theater. LTE would probably evolve as a group jam = in the middle of the show, or at the end.
--Nikko, the Levin-worshipper
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:15:48 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4586 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.990119191355.1329H-100000@espy>
About everyone worried that Derek didnt like prog, or James doesnt like prog and migh be out..
I personally think a band is healthier when there are varied influences. The tug-of-war to pull the music into different directions often generates powerful, emotional and timeless classics! Not to mention is created very original tunes!
cheers
-Ponte
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:40:25 -0800 From: "Wes Foll (Beavis)" <follwes@sc.llu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: NDTC---But cool SOD NEWS---READ! Message-ID: <4.1.19990119163723.00935750@sc.llu.edu>
Hey all, bored with the talk of Derek vs. Jordan yet? I've got some really cool news straight from Charlie Benante (Anthrax's drummer) I thought I would forward to the list. I asked Charlie about touring plans and this is his response letter back to me. If you're into S.O.D., you'll love this news!
cheers, Wes aka Beavis
>From: Skisum@aol.com >Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:25:43 EST >To: follwes@sc.llu.edu >Subject: Re: tour plans
>nope, we're going to record this sod record in february, and anthrax will >probably go out in march, thats it > > > >CB
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:02:37 EST From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: holy cow Message-ID: <d7973699.36a52b2d@aol.com>
Schnipp asks: <<CHristina - do you have any news? Could you send me Dereks e-mail address or post it, maybe sb would like to say g-bye personally. >>
Email Derek at DSherinian@aol.com, and don't forget to join his mailing list! You wouldn't believe how many new subscribers we've had in the last 24 hours. :)
.. WHEW!!!!
***A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission*** Christina dereksherinian.com NP: Rush "A Show of Fans"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:39:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Blankenship <rblanken@freenet.columbus.oh.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: rocknroll keyboard Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9901192050.A13127-a100000@login>
i dont see why so many people seem to think its a bad thing that derek is a fan of van halen, kiss, and marilyn manson...that happened to be one of the reasons that i thought he was so cool...its actually healthy for the band to expand their inspirations...thats why FII(IMO probably their best cd) had the biggest variety of types of songs throughout the cd, which i think is a good thing...it could be boring if every single song was just influenced by rush, metallica, and yes...the grooves and almost industrial sounds derek threw in there were more than welcomed by me...
ryan
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:46:42 EST From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Comment Message-ID: <b2ef8ab6.36a53582@aol.com>
Bobby remarked:
<<the jam hasn't been this interesting in a while>>
Yep. Leave it to Big D to stir up interesting conversation on the 'jam... Looks like some things will NEVER change, huh? :)
Christina dereksherinian.com ****************************** "I will be the power surge Shock to the system..." ******************************
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:43:19 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Boy meets girl metaphor Message-ID: <v04020a02b2cad0a2c8e6@[195.14.235.99]>
Hi!
Great, I haven't seen so much DTC since the release of FII...!
> affect the way I feel about the band. It does kinda suck for Derek > though, cuz it's like when your girl is seeing someone else, and then one > day it's "I've met this other guy and we really get along and I don't > think you and I are gonna work out, so hit the road." Anyways, DT is
Erm... it's more like, "You know, I met my old love -- yes, the one who left me for someone else years ago -- on some occasions during the last few months, and we really got along, and now, all of a sudden, he wants to marry me..." ;-)
However, I think it's a nice couple.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:53:34 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Derek's Solo Album Message-ID: <db2bb7de.36a5371e@aol.com>
]From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com> Subject: more derek ramblings
<SNIP> Derek never fit the prog metal mold. He came from playing with Alice Cooper and KISS <SNIP>
Which shows exactly how good he really WAS/IS then. I'm looking forward to hearing his solo album which will be out on Magna Carta in May.
Derek can be my Ice Cream Man ANY day ........
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:53:38 EST From: IceQD@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Thanks For the Help Everyone Message-ID: <19f97157.36a53722@aol.com>
Trent wrote:
>First, she wanted a list of female musicians..... SNIP... When the hell is it going to be >good enough for her?!?!?
I just got you guys on the list to do some research for me while I sat on my lazy ass!!! SUCKERRRSSSS!!!! ;-)
Thanks for all the contributions! Who's Queen?
Ice Cube (So suck me)
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:04:53 EST From: AnalogGal@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: I beg to differ... Message-ID: <e7e91432.36a539c5@aol.com>
Zaphod stated: << I mean Alice and Kiss aren't exactly the kind of bands average DT fans would listen to right? >>
Not necessarily. I grew up listening to KISS, and as far as I know, Mike is a KISS fan, too. I happen to be a HUGE DT fan, and as far as I know, Mike is, too. :)
Christina dereksherinian.com "Impossible! Gene's brother was an only child!!"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:22:09 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Thanks For the Help Everyone Message-ID: <36a53dd12379001@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:12:04 -0800 (PST) from IceQD@aol.com: > > > Trent wrote: > > >First, she wanted a list of female musicians..... SNIP... When the hell > is > it going to be >good enough for her?!?!? > > I just got you guys on the list to do some research for me while I sat on > my > lazy ass!!! > SUCKERRRSSSS!!!! ;-) > > Thanks for all the contributions! Who's Queen?
I think...maybe...just maybe...
that's the single most pathetic thing I've ever read.
You must like the sound of your own voice, because I've never seen you post anything even remotely useful or interesting. Hey Queenie, how's about you stuff your scepter up your ass and get on down the road?
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:22:58 -0800 (PST) From: Freez Frame <phr33zphr4m3@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Thanks For the Help Everyone Message-ID: <19990120022258.15384.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
Nikki "DairyQueen" Brooks creamed:
> I just got you guys on the list to do some research > for me while I sat on my lazy ass!!! > SUCKERRRSSSS!!!! ;-) > > Thanks for all the contributions! Who's Queen?
Nikki Brooks is, that's who. Shut the fuck up Nikki, would you?
-Can't Fool The FreezFrame
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