YTSEJAM Digest 4599
Today's Topics:
1) Tony Levin... Derek debate.
by "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com>
2) derek and marylin sitting in a tree...
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
3) re: derek
by "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
4) Re:Poor Vanessa
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
5) Re: stuff
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
6) Re: JR and DS -- just some response comments
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
7) Re: DEREKS' DEPARTURE/METROPOLIS II
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
8) Rudess & DT 1994, LTE Philly
by Uroborosss@aol.com
9) Pause for the Cause!
by Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
10) new album title
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
11) Amorphis "news"
by O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4592
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) My "take" on the TTT intro
by Calvin6S@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:56:06 -0800
From: "Nick Guadagnoli" <progrockboy@linkline.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Tony Levin... Derek debate.
Message-ID: <001a01be4524$49b524e0$c84fd2ab@progrockboy>
Dixon spouted thus before being carried away by the prog-police:
>I think Myung is a LITTLE more prog than Tony. Don't get me wrong, Tony is
>my absolute FAVORITE bass player, with Myung, Sheehan, Hamm, and Burton
>close on his tail. Tony is the groove man - as far as I can tell, he's
>never been a shredder, or die-hard prog-man. He played for Peter Gabriel,
>etc. (and I LOVE his work with them). Oh, BTW, he's on Pink Floyd's "A
>Momentary Lapse of Reason" as well. Myung uses more 'prog' techniques,
such
>as two-hand tapping, etc., like other 'prog' bassists (though he is better
>than them all:).
Tony is the master. Period. No one is better than Tony. If you think they
are, it's just because they are younger and more liable to show off.
As far as being progressive-- Tony Levin is the bassist of THE progressive
band: King Crimson
As far as two-handed tapping-- TLev is one of the first and most famous
acknowledged masters of the Chapman Stick. John Myung admits to being VERY
influenced by TLev... I assume that Tony's work on the Stick was Myung's
reason for attempting the instrument in the first place. It was certainly
my reason.
As far as albums-- Tony has also been on Yes' Union, all King Crimson
releases after 1979, and so many others that I can only send you the link to
his discography. to list all of them would be to take up an entire jam
discussing Tony... even *I* am not that much of an asshole. (those of you
who think so can please refrain from public demonstration of that fact,
please.)
tony's page, containing his Discography: http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm
As far as Derek is concerned-- I can not dislike a keyboardist who runs his
solo sounds through rackmount guitar preamps... I spent most of the evening
drooling and staring at his rig-- and I'm a bassist/Stickist...
I'm stunned that so many are willing to turn on a dime and immediately bash
the guy. I like DS's wardrobe... good stuff... I also loved the fact that
he came onstage to the theme of A Clockwork Orange, one of my alltime
favourite films.
I have great memories of that show, and a large part of them (incidentally
one fifth of them) was due to Derek's antics... I will admit that sometimes
*one* of his solo sounds annoyed me... but only because it was overused.
I am a fan of Rudess, and I am also a fan of Sherinian... I for one was
ecstatic that Rudess would be the replacement... but I was unhappy at the
news that Derek needed to be replaced.
Blessings all.
--nik the bass-playing, stick tapping, Levin worshipping, Sherinian
defending freak.
"your son can't go swimming here"
"why not?"
"he's jewish."
"oh... well he is only half jewish. He can go in up to his belly-button,
no?"
--Groucho Marx
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:12:26 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: derek and marylin sitting in a tree...
Message-ID: <19990121101226.20767.qmail@hotmail.com>
funny you should mention my Mr. Manson.. derek likes that lame ass a
lot.. derek thinks he's revolutionizing music.. derek sucks ass
>>> Nothing. Clothing on the other hand can make quite a statement.
>>> Show up at Toys-R-US wearing a slinky french maid's outfit and
>>>swim flippers and see what kind of reaction the clientele has.
>>>
>>
>>So..? Clothing is only exterior... if it means that much to you
>>then perhaps Marilyn Mason will appeal to you. Clothes say nothing
>>it, only shows how narrow minded and judgmental people are if they
>>choose to criticise on that level.
>
>Okay, so what you're saying is that if your boss invites you to >dinner
at a formal restaraunt, that he'd be a dickhead if he gets >pissed that
you arrive wearing a pair greasy boxer shorts, cowboy >boots and a Van
Halen t-shirt? If you dress like shit, people will >treat you like
shit, it's the truth, take it or leave it. Just >thought I'd throw my
two cents into this. And I don't know what >Marilyn Manson or his
fashion sense have to do with that other guy's >post, but hey whatever.
>
>Trent
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:16:04 PST
From: "Isaac Trumbo" <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: derek
Message-ID: <19990121101604.7972.qmail@hotmail.com>
exactly!! he was a good keyboard player but a prick and takin DT down
the shitter with the hard rock shit he wanted to do! i think we all can
agree that nobody wants Dream Theater turning into whitesnake, poisen,
kiss, etc!!! Viva La Jordan!!
>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 Portnoy420@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Everything you need to know for now is in the press release if you
>read it carefully enough.
>
>This was from the press release:
>
>"After our experiences of working with Jordan in LTE, we came to the
>decision that his playing, writing and personality was more
>representative of where we would like to take Dream Theater into the
>21st century."
>
>End of discussion?
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:47:24 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re:Poor Vanessa
Message-ID: <36A705BB.AF31DE8D@isd.net>
I reiterate:
> Vanessa spewed:
> >The guy looks too 'Bono' to be in Dream Theater? Obviously "prog"
> >means; guys wearing tight, black jeans with long hair and looking
> >suitably intense over their instruments?
> Vanessa,
> How the fuck did you come up that drivel?
> You better check to see if the batteries in "Mother's little helper" are leaking.
[Easy to be obnoxious isn't it?! If you had bothered to read my post you would have
[realised
[that the point I'm making is this: A joke statement relating to the appearance of a
[band...
[music is about... the music. Not about how somebody looks...
I'd like to think us Jammers hold DT to higher standard than most bands.
It's about respecting the music enough to NOT wear silly clothing in
some feeble effort to gain recognition through shock/glam wear.
> >I belong to the Joni Mitchell Discussion List but I thought I'd check this out and I
>
> That explains a lot.
[Again, easy to be dismissive and make bland statements that really mean nothing.
You got me there... :-)
> >just want to know... what's looks got to do with it?
> Nothing. Clothing on the other hand can make quite a statement.
> Show up at Toys-R-US wearing a slinky french maid's outfit and swim
> flippers and see what kind of reaction the clientele has.
Face it, If you did what is suggested above, you would quickly be escorted out
of the store; If you did it in a bar, People would laugh like hell and offer
to buy you drinks. THERE ARE PLACES FOR EVERYTHING.
[So..? Clothing is only exterior... if it means that much to you then perhaps Marilyn
[Mason
[will appeal to you. Clothes say nothing it, only shows how narrow minded and
[judgmental people
[are if they choose to criticise on that level.
o o o o o o o o o o o
You just don't follow the bouncing ball, do you?
>
> Derek was known to wear some VERY unusual threads, that's why
> he was being critiqued so much.
[Yes, so in point you're agreeing with me that looks mean nothing and that Derek was
[being
[critiqued on looks!? Perhaps you should think before you post... I used an example
[and I'm
[sure most took it that way... like the Yanni remark :-)
To be honest, I thought you were slamming DT in general. You made it very
clear to me that YOU were NOT a DT fan, your husband was.
You also stated that YOU were into Joni Mitchell and were here solely out of
curiosity. It would be easy to perceive your post as a SLAM to the Prog genre.
>
> Before you post again, do your homework.
>
> It was done, I knew what I was posting but perhps you should think where you're coming
> from...? Perhaps you can just swear at me again and say tedious little remarks and we
can go
> tit for tat... but I have better things to discuss... next time make your point and
use
> reason rather than 'witty' rhetoric.
[To paraphrase your inept comment... "Before 'you' post again perhaps you should use
[your brain"
/Al bites his tongue.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:51:52 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901211150210.547-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, maX Verran wrote:
> OK. The only problem with LTE were the slower tracks (except track 2
> rules), and that stupid closer in Universal Mind.
Hey... everytime when I hear that part it brings a smile to my face...
It's so funny... It really sounds like had four guys just had a good time
for a couple of weeks... I think it's brilliant.
Cheers
Zaphod
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zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:19:03 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: JR and DS -- just some response comments
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901211206260.547-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Christopher Files wrote:
> Zaphod wrote:
> <<<<I believe they'll probably use Met II... It has all been written and I
> doubt that Jordan will bring big additional changes in this....
<snip>
> time. This means that for Met II they'll do the same as with ACOS. ACOS
> was written with Kevin still in DT, and Derek just played Kevin's parts
> for the record... I do believe that the same thing happened for some FII
> >>>>
> Just listen to the Dance of Eternity version of ACoS and it's clear that
> Derek was not just "playing Kevin's parts for the record"; Derek wrote a
<snip>
> (although I must say that I liked Kevin's key solo better). Therefore, I
> think it's safe to guess that Jordan would write his own keys solo sections
> for the new Met II, not just play what Derek had written.
Okay... I guess I blew it on this one. I didn't know that the keys on ACOS
were written by Derek. In that case I can only admire the way Derek fitted
in his key parts in a song that was written long before he joined the
band, and on a song that is so different from anything on FII...
> And I'm quite
> sure they won't drop Met II--it's rumored to be completely written, and the
> band KNOWS how much we're anticipating its release, and I would imagine it's
> something that JP really wants to release as a completion (continuation?) to
> Part 1.
Yeah... remember the ACOS petition... Okay, that was actually adressed to
the record company, but still... I mean especially now that Mike already
announced that Met II is as good as finished. I mean, he's reading all
this shit too (or at least some of it), so he knows how eager we are for
that song... How many years have we been PRAYING for a Met II now?
> Listen to RMP (what's RPM, the Rudess Porgenstein Mroject? the Rudess
> Project Morgenstein?) again.
I believe that on the CD cover it says 'Rudess Morgenstein Project' but on
the first line it says 'Rudess Morgenstein', and on the second, more or
less between 'Rudess' and 'Morgenstein' it says 'Project', all with a BIG
R, M and P... reading RPM if you don't pay attention...
Sorta like this:
Rudess Morgenstein
Project
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:22:44 +0100 (CET)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: DEREKS' DEPARTURE/METROPOLIS II
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901211221160.547-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Tokugawa Tigger-ette wrote:
> i READ SOMEONE SAYING THAT THE BAND MIGHT NOT DO PART II B/C DEREK HELPED
> WRITE IT. THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE BAND NEVER PLAYING PULL ME UNDER AGAIN
Kurt,
Don't SHOUT!!!!! I get seasick reading that shit...
If your message still had any content, but no...
Cheers
Zaphod
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Peter Geerts *QUOTE*
zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles)
ICQ: 13122363
Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium
President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:32:40 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Rudess & DT 1994, LTE Philly
Message-ID: <3b6490d8.36a71058@aol.com>
> From: Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
> Subject: THE TRUTH
>
> Now I'm jealous of Jordan and asked him why he didn't
> accept this job in 1994 and why he decided to be a member now.
Some would like to say it's because that live show didn't work out. At least,
they wanted to say that when the keyboard spot was open, but they probably
don't say that today. In reality Rudess had obligations that kept him from
"joining up" with a new band.
> The answer: Jordan didn't joined the band in '94 because
> he couldn't go on the road for 18 month or so because he just
> had a baby and concerned about his family, at that point no one
> in DT was married, anyway now is the right time, because they
> all have family and situations are similar.
I've been waiting for someone to bring up that whole instance. Rumors floated
around in '95 (and all following years) that the reason Rudess wasn't chosen
as DT's new keyboardist was that he had trouble with the music, couldn't get
the parts right, just wasn't in the DT-vein of music, etc. Rudess basically
nailed that one gig he played with the band like Zeus throwing a lightning
bolt at your house. But he had other obligations. So Sherinian got the spot.
I think Magna Carta should do its own "Monsters Of Rock" type tour with all
its major players. A whole day of crossover bands, featuring BLS, LTE,
Explorers, DT, RPM, and all the other acronym-supergroups the MC label has to
offer.
As for this "Myung is next!" stuff, yeah of course, and Sherinian's only hope
now is to make a good first impression in the gay porn industry and hope a
lucrative career follows. And DT's new album will be called "The Tin Drum."
And I'm Ben Laussade.
If anyone's going to see LTE in Philadelphia this Friday, I'll be the clean-
cut white guy with the short brown hair wearing the gray longsleeve shirt with
the dark blue stripe going across it. And I just checked the Weather Channel,
Friday night is going to be a merciless hurricane of balls 'n chunk.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:43:57 -0500
From: Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Pause for the Cause!
Message-ID: <199901211142.GAA21799@promail1.ee.net>
OK folks, I know the following may be serious flame bait, and
although I have been trying VERY hard not to let some of the
crazy rantings around here get me going, I just have to butt in for a sec...
A little debate about the pros and cons of the change in lineup
is cool and it keeps things circulating in here, but isn't anyone
sick of the constant abuse people are feeding each other about it?
I mean, everything is "fuck you" "he sucks" "that blows" blah blah blah...
Come on man, there is no point to putting anyone down. Let me ask a
small favor...come back down off the 100 foot high fanatical pedestal
for just a second, and instead of placing everything on the "prog-o-meter"
and "DT-o-meter" think about the fact that EVERYONE who has played
in LTE and DT are incredibly talented, and they ALL have added great music
to our CD collections. When I read people trashing ex/present/future band
members I have to wonder if this list has now reached it's limit on
pre-pubescent spoiled brat subscribers that have no respect for one of
the things DT really stands for - a union of creative minds and talent for
a better
kind of music.
Is everyone losing sight of that? Or does everyone just think it's really
cool to kick someone when their down? If I could have one wish for this
situation, it would be that people all just cool down and let this ride. The
band has made a decision, and it's a professional one. Just because
one member is leaving and a new one is entering is no cause for
the constant personal attacks on skill and character.
Personally, regardless of which player best fits the lineup, I think all
3 keyboardists in question past/present are extremely talented and
each bring something special to the party. Next time ya get ready to
bash on one of them, picture yourself in a room with them jamming
sometime...you just might find that to be quite a humbling vision.
I know I do....maybe you don't?
Maybe you're just better than <insert musicians name here> and can
justify going around talking crap about someone of their caliber?
Doubtful, because people with that kind of talent don't waste time
with the kind of childish mudslinging like what we've seen here this week.
<climbs down off soap box and heads for cover>
Dave Hatlee
PS - if yer gonna flame me, please take the time to read the whole post
first ;)
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:49:52 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: new album title
Message-ID: <v04020a04b2ccc4b23014@[194.8.195.88]>
>In other news, and I heard the tentative title for the new album is
>"Godot". ;)
No, that was the working title for FII... ;-)
Steffen
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:53:22 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Amorphis "news"
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990121135322.009b1bf0@mail.surffi.net>
I just found out that the official Amorphis page is back... check out
http://www.amorphis.net for news.. and little something of the new album
Tuonela. (out mid-march)
op777
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:11:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4592
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990121070737.14381B-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Trent Thornton wrote:
> Okay, so what you're saying is that if your boss invites you to dinner
> at a formal restaraunt, that he'd be a dickhead if he gets pissed that
> you arrive wearing a pair greasy boxer shorts, cowboy boots and a Van
> Halen t-shirt? If you dress like shit, people will treat you like shit,
> it's the truth, take it or leave it. Just thought I'd throw my two
> cents into this. And I don't know what Marilyn Manson or his fashion
> sense have to do with that other guy's post, but hey whatever.
>
> Trent
This is probabaly one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen.
You're taking what she said and twisting it. What she said was that IN
MUSIC there's no call to judge somebody by how they dress. At least not
in rock music. When I walk into an audition for an honors choir or an
opera company, I'm going to be dressed in a shirt and tie or maybe even a
business suit (I wouldn't go so formal as my tux, though). But that's
because it's exactly what it is: an honors choir or opera company.
However, if I were a rock musician, it shouldn't MATTER what I'm wearing,
because image doesn't count for a whole lot that way. Look at people like
Boy George (to recall a few posts back): Culture Club, though not very
popular right now... was one of the biggest bands of the '80's. HE didn't
dress very well, either. I personally cannot see how you think that the
way Derek dressed had ANY bearing on what his music sounded like or EVEN
what kind of performer he was. If he were in opera, well then I would
have a problem with the way he dressed (unless he was in some kinda WEIRD
role). But there's NO way you can convince me otherwise in a rock (or
prog ;) situation.
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http://oz.plymouth.edu/~a_couter/
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:16:10 EST
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: My "take" on the TTT intro
Message-ID: <c6e79351.36a71a8a@aol.com>
> I commented in an earlier post about the intro to Take the
> Time. Anyone notice that the time gets really screwy around bar
> 9?? I cant figure it out for sure, anyone have a clue?
> Polyrhythm? Overlapping time sig??
> -Kyle
okay, let's break this thing down
1) The first rhythm pattern to enter is the synth bass
Figure 1 - 4/4
|x | x x |x |
|1 e & a |2 e & a |3 e & a |4 e & a
This is important because it sets up the common time feel which gives
everything else its syncopated and twisting feel.
The bass plays 3 bars of this
2) The band enters and plays a pattern in 6/4 while the bass continues to
play its 4/4 pattern
Figure 2 - 6/4 band pattern
| x x |x |x x | x |x x x |
|1 e & a |2 e & a |3 e & a |4 e & a |5 e & a |6 e & a
The band plays this ensemble figure 3 times
This is interesting because 6/4 x 3 = 4/4 x 4.5
What this means is that when the band changes to the next ensemble figure -
the bass figure is starting off on beat 3 of the bass figure (4/4) instead of
beat 1.
3) The band then proceeds into a 9/8 time signature pattern while the bass
continues its 4/4 pattern
Figure 3 - 9/8 band pattern (simple time, not compound)
| x x |x x |x x | x x |x x
|1 e & a |2 e & a |3 e & a |4 e & a |1 e
The band plays this 3 times as well. Now once again just like the LtL intro,
we have bars alternating between a downbeat and upbeat feel. Here is the
reason. The bass (and the kick by the way) are playing in 4/4 while this
figure is in 9/8. That means the second time the 9/8 is played, it starts on
an upbeat of 4/4.
Demonstration of two bars of 4/4 with the 9/8 pattern
Figure 4
|3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 |& 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & |4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4
|1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 |1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 |1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
As you can see, the second bar of 9/8 starts on the & of 4/4. And don't
forget, the bass has started this section on beat 3 of its 4/4 pattern, so we
have yet another "strange feel". And of course the 3rd bar of 9/8 will once
again be on a downbeat.
4) This last measure is where it gets REALLY FUCKED UP (in a good way). The
band continues to play the 9/8 figure (fig 3), but stops short while also
jumping into compound time.
Let's take the last measure (measure 3) of figure 4:
|4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4
|1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
notice that the next bar of 9/8 (the band figure) will start on the & of four
from the 4/4 figure (bass figure 1).
This means that the & of 4 in 4/4 lines up with the eighth note rest that
begins the 9/8 figure. So now the bass figure's beat one (of 4/4) lines up
with the second eighth of the 9/8 figure (as shown above)
If you look at the 9/8 figure (figure 3) starting from the second eighth:
x x |x x |x x | x x |x x
& a |2 e & a |3 e & a |4 e & a |1 e
you will notice that 4 sixteenth note hits are coming up. Instead of feeling
these next 4 notes in simple time, the band shifts into compound time (triplet
feel). So if you take these four notes in compound time you get this:
Figure 5
|x x x |x
|1 & a |2
The 2 is actually the 1 of the 12/8 figure that is where the whole band
finally kicks in together in one time signature (the first real theme/riff of
the song).
So now lets take the overall view here. After the first three bars of the 4/4
bass figure you have:
Bass = 8 bars of 4/4 (or 8/8) = 64 eighth notes
Band ensemble figure =
3 bars of 6/4 (or 12/8) = 3 x 12 = 36
3 bars of 9/8 = 3 x 9 = 27
1 bar of 1/8 = 1 x 1 = 1
Total number of 1/8's = 64
so as you can see - after 64 measures of 1/8 (the common denominator) the band
lines up for 1 bar of 3/8 (three eighth note triplets in a compound time feel)
that sets up the compound time feel for the band to play in the 12/8
riff/theme.
I know this is hard to see with text characters, but if you have some grasp of
time signatures and recognize that DT frequently employs playing different
time signatures at once to meet up at the end, you should be able to picture
this.
If anyone has gained a better understanding of this intro, but they are still
confused a little (I kinda gotta it, but kinda don't thing), feel free to ask
me. Or even ask your question to the board and maybe some other member can
explain it in terms that you understand.
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