YTSEJAM Digest 4600
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4599
by "Frank Benenati" <fmb@newsalert.com>
2) I don't see the problem
by Rocky Pulley <rpulley@pcdata.com>
3) Re: Pause for the Cause
by Adriana Califano <acalifano@chubb.com>
4) ytsejammin' assholes
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
5) Re: HELP! Just a quick question
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
6) no threats, but good to know; very interesting
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
7) LTE in NYC...
by "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
8) Re: stuff
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
9) Jordan? Not. How about The Legend
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
10) *&^^%$ CAR
by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca>
11) Dream Theater Mailing List
by Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk
12) Re: a message from Derek
by "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com>
13) Re: Next Producer?
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
14) re: Pause for the Cause!
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
15) Derek's departure... plus a little extra...
by Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu>
16) Fire/Godot
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
17) Derek
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:32:41 -0500
From: "Frank Benenati" <fmb@newsalert.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4599
Message-ID: <001001be454a$e6b26520$6a88abc7@fmb.newsalert.com>
> From: Uroborosss@aol.com
>
> And I just checked the Weather Channel,
> Friday night is going to be a merciless hurricane of balls 'n chunk.
>
>
> Bafu Vai
Shit! I missed this guy!
-m o j o m a n
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:06:04 -0500
From: Rocky Pulley <rpulley@pcdata.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: I don't see the problem
Message-ID: <C13156D748AFD21184FF00105ACE6EB563F6@pc113.pcdata.com>
I don't see what the big problem is with Derek actually adding some
stage presence to DT. I mean, I'm not one to really care about stage
presence, because I'm a keyboardist, and I have just about none. but if
you go to something like an Yngwie concert (yes, I was an yngwie fan(no
I'm not anymore)), you get a good show put on for you, but at a DT show,
the band might as well just sit down and play. Not that that's a big
deal, because the crowd pretty much just stands there and watches them,
and might as well sit down too. that's probably due to the fact that the
crowd is just amazed by what they are doing. Well, anyway, just put in
my 2 cents.
by the way, for those of you who were pissed that DT didn't come to
Jaxx, my band will be playing at Jaxx on Feb 18th. We are called Pitch
Blende. We should have an original or two written by then, but we will
probably play mainly DT covers, like CIAW, Metropolis, Mirror/Lie, and
maybe PMU.
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Rocky Dean Pulley, MCSE
rpulley@pcdata.com
PC Data, Inc.
(703) 435-1025 x133
"You can feel the waves coming on,
Let them destroy you, or carry you on."
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:05:30 -0500
From: Adriana Califano <acalifano@chubb.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Pause for the Cause
Message-ID: <36A76C6A.22BE@chubb.com>
Dave Hatlee wrote:
> I mean, everything is "fuck you" "he sucks" "that blows" blah blah=20
> blah... Come on man, there is no point to putting anyone down (...)=20
> think about the fact that EVERYONE who has played
> in LTE and DT are incredibly talented, and they ALL have added great
> music to our CD collections. When I read people trashing
> ex/present/future band members I have to wonder if this list has now=20
> reached it's limit on pre-pubescent spoiled brat subscribers that have=20
> no respect for one of the things DT really stands for - a union of=20
> creative minds and talent for a better kind of music.
Hi people, I=B4m not a frequent poster but I am a frequent reader of this=
=20
jam and I had to take this chance to say that I do agree with Dave here=20
because it=B4s tiring and boring and sometimes even hard to digest posts=20
that just put DT members down or make fun of them (Derek, James, etc). To=
=20
the ones that do that (you know who you are), why the hell are you in=20
this list for in the first place? Maybe there=B4s no use receiving this=20
list anymore if you just don=B4t like DT or its members and/or=20
other projects!
Sorry but I had to let it go ...
ADRIANA CALIFANO
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:13:33 +0100
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: ytsejammin' assholes
Message-ID: <36A7441C.CF61C18A@unet.univie.ac.at>
I'm only on this list to get some infos for new mp3s and stuff. there
are so many assholes, yea, right ASSHOLES, on this list, it really makes
me sick. why the hell are people here on a list for DT fans if the only
thing they can do is to beat the shit out of (former) members of the
group.
very creative, indeed.
thank you
an if this gets me off the list, thank you, too.
Dryheat
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:44:59 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: HELP! Just a quick question
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9901211342130.14221-100000@jaca>
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Scott Sturdivant wrote:
> Just a little while back, someone cracked a joke saying their band was going
> to be playing some song at 4X the normal speed. The "song" was actually
> just 4 min and 33 seconds long of the musicians taking their place on stage,
> with the noise of the crowd being the actual "music." If anyone remembers
> what this is, can you please give me detailed info? I'm looking for name,
> creator..where I can find even more info about it... Thank you very much!
Ok, with the intention to break this hellish thread of Jordan vs
Kevin vs Derek and to bring more diversity to the 'jams, let talk about
something off-topic:
It was me and TheCowGod talking about John Cage's 4'33"
composition. The performer remains in absolute silence for this amount of
time and he said that his band was going to play this song 4 times faster.
:-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:51:03 PST From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: no threats, but good to know; very interesting Message-ID: <19990121155103.15534.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi there, did you notice something? Mike is still reading the posts! I'll see you tonight!! Nobody mentioned Jens. Sorry man, Since I cannot possibly guess how the new DT will sound like I won't bash about the keyboard decision. They gotta make music together, not me. So Jordan - Jens, I "grew up"(although 24 I'd still consider myself a happy child) listening to Jens and Yngwie, Jens and Anders, Jens and Strato. I like Dixie Dregs, too, but... Anyway it became Jordan and I guess I'll just keep my ears open. I take credit to have introduced a 4th name to the key wars. My pleasure. By everybody, MIKE, I'll see you tonight! seb
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:52:40 -0500 From: "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com> To: Under A Glass Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE in NYC... Message-ID: <BDBBCD37EA65D1119E9600A0C9982D75AB5340@mail.pwcg.com>
greetings, fellow 'jammers!
i don't know if the show is sold out tonight, but if anybody needs a ticket, i have an extra one that i'll sell for $10.00...
i'll be wearing a jeans, a dark blue jacket with a pewter DT pin on it and a dark green 'Jekyll & Hyde's Restaurant' cap...
see ya at the show!
mikE emerson
p.s.: even if you don't want the ticket, feel free to tap me on the shoulder and introduce yourself... -- m.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:02:49 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9901211352520.14221-100000@jaca>
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Peter Geerts wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, maX Verran wrote: > > > OK. The only problem with LTE were the slower tracks (except track 2 > > rules), and that stupid closer in Universal Mind. > > Hey... everytime when I hear that part it brings a smile to my face... > It's so funny... It really sounds like had four guys just had a good time > for a couple of weeks... I think it's brilliant.
Can't people just realized that whenever a band puts out an album there will be people that will like and people that will hate it?
Why are people so egocentric to think that if they don't like an album/song/picture/movie/book/whatever for of art that that's the absolute truth?
Can't you just realize that there are people with different tastes in the world? Some people like Metallica, some don't. Some people like Dream Theater, some don't. Some people like hot dog, some don't. Some people like computers, some don't. Do I need to cite more examples os is my point clear?
Just because you don't like something, I'm sorry to say, that means absolutely NOTHING.
Anyway, maX said that he don't like the "stupic closer" [sic]. And why say that like an absolute truth? I happen to agree with Zaphod. I think that the closer (which, if you don't know, is called "The Entertainer") gives the album an irreverent feel -- that is, if you think that only Derek Sherinian can bring fun to Dream Theater, you're not looking hard enough into what Jordan can come up with the other guys.
Again, back to the main topic of my message: please, people realize that different people have different choices because they've collected different experiences during their lives and no opinion is "righter" than any other. Be open minded and learn to respect other people's opinions.
Your posts reflect upon yourself. Be proud of them.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:52:39 -0500 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jordan? Not. How about The Legend Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC41453F@HAMSXHA2>
> Ok, I've had about enough Jordan bashing to last me a lifetime, so here > are the OFFICIAL FACTS: > > For those of you who happen to hate Mr. Bird (you know who you are), > let's > take a look and compare the numbers between Larry > and Michael: > > Jordan completed 10962 of 21686 shots.....50% > Bird completed 8591 of 17334 shots...........50% > > Jordan completed 6798 of 8115 free throws...84% > Bird completed 3960 of 4471 free throws.......89% > **Jordan only played 33 more games than Larry. He just must have a > knack > for drawing the foul since he went to the line 8 times a game, while > Larry > only went 4 times. I am certain the referees did not favor Jordan. > > Jordan completed 555 of 1670 from 3 point land.....33% > Bird completed 649 of 1727 from 3 point land.........38% > > Jordan tallied a total of 5836 rebounds over his 930 games.....6 per > game. > Bird corralled a total of 8974 rebounds over his 897 games.....10 per > game. > > Jordan astonishingly managed to dish out 5012 assists.....5 per game. > Bird surprisingly only dished out 5695 assists lifetime.......6 per > game. > **Note that even with Joe Kline missing easy lay-ups, Bird betters > Jordan > in this category as well. > > Since these categories represent the major aspects of the game of > basketball, I feel no need to continue. Besides, the two were tied with > 2 > steals per game, and just under one blocked shot per game...even though > Jordan played 1,444 more minutes than Larry, because for some reason he > felt that he was God and should never come out of the game. > > I cannot express how happy I am that this day has finally come. I have > been waiting to compare this bastard that everyone touts as the "best > player to ever lace up sneakers" to the real "Legend." > > As a matter of fact, doesn't Jordan now "zip" up his > glove-like,slipper-looking sneaker? It was Larry that "laced" up his > Cons > that Sean Kelly still admires and wears today. > > One last stat that I feel should be relayed in order to portray the high > standard and respect that Larry established and demanded for himself and > the league: > > Bird has only retired once. ___________________________________________
> Oh shit, wrong Jordan. Sorry :) > - Nick
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:49:00 -0500 From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" <Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: *&^^%$ CAR Message-ID: <199901211650.IAA16097@knight.axnet.net>
>I want this so bad but don't have the $23 for it because of my fucking car. Anyone who has bought it interested in trading? Later,
Chris<
same damn thing happened to me.. hopefully my friend nick and i could split on this. anyone has heard it?
I listened to Space Odyssey from Vinnie Moore.. with Rudess.. man.. i never knew it was him on that cd... what a master.. and on RPM.. if you do not have it. BUY IT NOW!! the man could do anything with a KEYBOARD!
Mr. Prog.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:04:27 +0000 From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk To: IceQD@aol.com Cc: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Dream Theater Mailing List Message-ID: <H000086f011424cf@MHS>
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Would you please be so kind as to confirm to the Ytsejam that your e-mail account does not belong to me.
I have copied this message to the list but please forward your copy in case it doesn't get through.
I am not currently subscribed to the list.
Many thanks
Nikki Brooks
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:23:59 PST From: "Dream Theater" <dtdrummin@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: a message from Derek Message-ID: <19990121172400.24785.qmail@hotmail.com>
Oh ... look at that. So nice and polite now, yet when he was in the band he was the rudest mofo you'd ever want to email with, let alone IM (that is if you're an AOLey like him). I for one was blown off many a time by him and so was my wife. You'd think he'd have a better appreciation for his fans, but then who knows, could just be me.
Mike
----Original Message Follows---- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:29:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: ytsejam@ax.com ]From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a message from Derek
Hi guys
I'll forward a message from Derek Sherinian :
***** Derek:
"it is true, I was replaced by Jordan Rudess.
anyway i am ok, and working on my solo record that will be out on magna carta in MAY.
thank you for all of your support, and please stay in touch!! your friend, Derek" *****
NP : DT - Lines In The Sand
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:29:57 -0500 From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Next Producer? Message-ID: <36A76415.8845F4D6@softhome.net>
How about David Bottrill? He did one hell of a good job on THRAK by King Crimson and Tool's AEnima, and with Metropolis Part II going on the new album in all likelihood, they could perhaps use his dramatic production.
-- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:53:15 -0700 From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: Pause for the Cause! Message-ID: <199901211756.KAA21849@ganymede.aculink.net>
Nice post, Dave. I for one agree with you.
-Geoffrey
"...we exist in a world where the fear of illusion is real..."
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:56:43 -0500 From: Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek's departure... plus a little extra... Message-ID: <36A76A5B.52AA44DB@mtu.edu>
A few 'jams ago, Mikey P wrote:
>Everything you need to know for now is in the press release if you read >it carefully enough...
Coupled with Derek, in a forwarded letter, saying something like "I'm doing all right..."
It's my considered opinion that the rest of the band asked Derek to leave so they could bring Jordan in. I mean, it's obvious the rest of the band has wanted Jordan at the keys for years, and came to the conclusion that it was in their best long-term interest musically to part ways with Sherinian and go with Rudess. Is it f'ed up? Well, I feel bad for Derek, who's obviously put a lot of time and energy into DT, having to leave. But if the other four guys in the band aren't musically on track w/ him, it's not worth them keeping Derek around out of some sort of misguided duty while the music suffers.
Also, for the people who feel that Derek has been used up like so much tissue and tossed out, it's not as if DS didn't benefit from his years in DT. How many of you would be buying his solo album in May if he hadn't been w/ DT all of this time? For that matter, what are the chances he'd _have_ a solo album w/o his association with DT? His public awareness factor has gone up big time, and that's good for him.
All in all, I think that no one was particularly happy with this, but all of the members, hopefully including Derek, realised it was for the best of DT in the long run.
Not that I know what the hell I'm talking about ;)
Oh, and one last thing.... to the flaming inferno guy from hotmail... YOU HATE DEREK! WE _GET_ IT! So quit posting three times a 'jam to say how much of a faggot he is or that sort of bullshit. Man, I haven't been this irritated since the last Madsman/Bahr debates...
I'll go back to fantasising about being in New York now...
Josh
-- You know the message you're sending out to the world with these sweatpants? You're telling the world "I give up. I can't compete in normal society; I'm miserable, so I might as well be comfortable." -- Jerry Seinfeld
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:16:19 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Fire/Godot Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990121130750.6956A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Imus's boytoy Far wrote: >Blah blah about women in prog music blah blah
Actually, I can think of a few singers/musicians in prog music, but I don't want to do your fucking "research" for you again, pal. If you're truly curious, I can mention group names to you offlist since this thread is tired.
Rick Audited his taxes and joked: >the name of the next DT album is "Godot."
Can't wait. :)
P
NP Mission UK: Sum and Substance Miles Davis: Bitches Brew Sessions
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War Child/ Victim of political pride/ Plant the seed/ Territorial greed/ Mind the War Child/ We should mind the War Child
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95q.990121132014.3580C-100000@descartes.uwaterloo.ca>
> In response 2 another post, I'd just like to say that it was nice to > see Derek really getting into the music. Why dump him if he's more into > it than James? > > Dump JAMES! They need a new singer anyway. > > AND ALSO, yes, I DO worry that the next DT will just be LTE III. > > I really hope DT doesn't fall apart because of this. > > -maX
Shut up.
Shouldn't you get back to working on your proof that God exists?
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