YTSEJAM Digest 4608
Today's Topics:
1) derek IM
by Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
2) LTE 12/21 in NYC No DT content (or is it?)
by "Eric Clasen" <eclasen@hotmail.com>
3) Re: PEOPLE THAT WRITE IN ALL CAPS
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) Re: Need info on TLA show
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
5) Machine Head
by Hypermax <hypermax@win.bright.net>
6) LTE: Concert Review
by "Merlo, Christopher" <ChristopherMerlo@Waterhouse.com>
7) Temporarily unavailable
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
8) Cleanup crew
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
9) The Closer to Universal Mind
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
10) stick-bass
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) New threads.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
12) max and isaac
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
13) Birch Hill 12/26/98 MP3s / comments
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
14) They Keys to dressing well
by Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com>
15) 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER
by AEllis1222@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:38:09 -0500
From: Pat Daugherty <Pat.Daugherty@trw.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: derek IM
Message-ID: <36A8A971.B58B4413@trw.com>
> > (that is if you're an AOLey like him). I for one was blown off many a
> >
> > time by him and so was my wife. You'd think he'd have a better
>
> What do you expect? You know how many IMs he must get swamped with
> EVERY TIME he logs on?
Also you can use AOL IM even if you dont get AOL. He used to log onto
AOL all the time. I never bugged him but finally deleted him from my
buddy list since he logged on too many times a day and the blinking aol
dude got on my nerves...
Portnoy either doesn't log on during the day or turns IM off since i
never see him on...
NP:Steve Miller Band-Greatest Hits
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:44:31 PST From: "Eric Clasen" <eclasen@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE 12/21 in NYC No DT content (or is it?) Message-ID: <19990122164431.23669.qmail@hotmail.com>
Fellow Jammers,
I was one of the lucky ones who got to witness the opening night of LTE last night in NYC. I doubt whether any one of the not more than 300 people in the Bowery Ballroom last night could argue that it was one of the most special musical experiences they a)have ever had or b)have had in a long time. For those of you that will be lucky enough to get to see this group of ridiculously talented individuals in one of their remaining shows, your money and time in travelling to the venue are well worth it. These guys are truly selfless for taking time out of their busy schedules to put together what I consider to be my favorite show of all time. For those of you looking for what they played, I would state the obvious that they played most of what is on the album. But, I would suggest that you pay close attention to the new stuff, two songs of which I'm going to go out on a limb (albeit maybe a long one) and say that they are the best songs I've ever heard! Words fail me.
Thank you very much Mr. Petrucci, Mr. Rudess, Mr. Levin, and especially you, Mr. Portnoy for conceiving the idea in the first place. Your songs are exactly the type that I, and I'm sure alot of other people, want to hear.
Waiting eagerly till May!
--Eric
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:49:30 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: PEOPLE THAT WRITE IN ALL CAPS Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990122114606.26946C-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 MaxArbot@aol.com wrote:
> I wonder if the people who always write in all caps (Tokugawa > Tigger-ette <eernewe1@gnofn.org>, for example) realize that it is harder > to read all capital letters than it is to read "normal" capitalization. > Just for future reference TURN OFF YOUR DAMN CAPS LOCK!!
I think that the person who had written that particular message had not been aware that s/he had written it in all caps. The reason that I say this is that most people *I* know who type usually look down at their hands when they type and don't look at the screen. Also, there was a lowercase letter at the beginning of each sentence, which means that this person a) had a PC, and b) hit the shift key for each capital (lower-case) letter. So, in conclusion, I think that the person didn't realize that caps lock was on, typed the message without looking at the screen, and then hit the send button (most programs have a keyboard shortcut for it, or if you use Pine like me, you don't have to look at the screen to send) before s/he looked at the screen and saw the error of his/her way.
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://oz.plymouth.edu/~a_couter/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who help you move. But REAL friend help you move BODIES." -------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:50:03 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: JamesAhab@aol.com Subject: Re: Need info on TLA show Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9901221149410.26878-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> The ticket says the show starts at 9.
I wouldn't go by that. Last night's show started at 9:30ish, and it was slated to go on at 9.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:49:54 -0600 From: Hypermax <hypermax@win.bright.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Machine Head Message-ID: <36A8AC32.5DFD@win.bright.net>
Hey everyone, sorry if this is off of the current subject (Derek's departure), just curious if anyone is into Machine Head? Ok, I'm famebait now right cause I mentioned another band, and yet to make it even worse, another band that isn't prog, on a DT list, but hey, thats what life is all about, taking chances! lol Oh yea, anyone by chance from Wisconsin on here? ok later
Hypermax --
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-Beatings are what you'll inherit this time- -Fist bait, your new name- -Your pain is my shrine- -Pulverize and break- -Determination- -Pleasure I negate- -Your pain brings me salvation- -Give, Re, Spect- -Cause the rule is blood for blood-
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:54:59 -0500 From: "Merlo, Christopher" <ChristopherMerlo@Waterhouse.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE: Concert Review Message-ID: <2F7208E0A680D111A09B0060B0582BBC01FD4A1E@usgront5.waterhouse.com>
Oh my goodness. These guys can play.
LTE turned in a set that almost defies description last night at the Bowery Balls-N-Chunkroom. I think Wild Koba said it best when, as we were leaving, he said, "My asshole hurts." Now, we all have the album. We know what can happen when you let these four guys loose in the same room. But until you see an act like this live, there's always that shadow of doubt that says "Well, maybe they recorded all the parts, and then just sped up the source tape at mixdown." No, they can actually play all that crazy stuff.
Now, I've been a DT fan for a while, but not being a guitarist, I've always watched Myung do his thing. Last night, though, JP was right in my face, so I was forced to watch his wizardry from like 5 feet away. It is truly amazing to watch fingers move so quickly, and hear such clean, perfect execution. Thank Ged I'm not a guitarist, because I would have given up after last night.
Mike was Mike, of course. It no longer surprises me that he comes up with the stuff he does. It simply astounds me that he can do it all so fast, so neatly, and *in time* with three other guys playing that fast, all the while smiling and grooving.
I've seen Jordan play before. Most notably, the second time, at DT's Birch Hill show in December '95. I was right up in front, just behind Jordan (who was facing stage left), and I could watch him work. I was very impressed then, but I was floored last night. I mean, yeah, John's quick, and Mike's quick, but this guy flies! Maybe it's more impressive because I'm a struggling keyboardist at best, but damn!
And, of course, Tony. What can I say about the joy of watching the Godfather of Stick from 10 feet away?
During the show last night, I wondered what the various band members were thinking while playing. I decided that Mike's thoughts were alternating between "This is the greatest job in the world." and "BEAT DRUMS! BEAT DRUMS!" John, who disgusts me because he's so freaking *calm* while he plays stuff that I would seriously injure myself trying to do: "Hmm. I'm good at this game." Jordan seemed almost awestruck at the crowd's enthusiasm: "Wow, man, this is terrific. The crowd loves us, I just joined the greatest band in the world, we're going to tour the world, and meet people, and make great music, and -- holy crap, this part's fast!" as the sheet music in his head began to scroll past a little more quickly. And of course, what else could Tony be thinking, but "It amuses me the way you mortals seem to be *trying* so hard at this. Bwahahahaha!"
Anyway, if you get a chance to see these guys, do it. It's absolutely criminal how good these guys are together. D-Man still isn't walking right
Christopher Merlo Waterhouse Securities, Inc., IS Production Group Office: 201.369.8314 Fax: 201.332.5788 Pager: 888.422.0526 Text Pager: 4220526@skytel.com #include<$HOME/.clever_tagline>
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:04:41 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Temporarily unavailable Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9901221458140.14422-100000@jaca>
Well, this was enough.
I'll be unsubscribing from Ytsejam until the level of the discussions raise to an acceptable level. I sincerely don't need to get flamed by an incipient boy that has just got out of his diapers.
Anyway, I plan on resubscribing to Ytsejam after the signal/noise ratio raises a little bit.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:13:32 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Cleanup crew Message-ID: <36A8B1BC.1E4D@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> >From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk [snip] > >Received: from localhost by rs06.taywood.co.uk (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/4.03) ^^^^^^
I'm staying out of the middle of this whole debate, but it's nice to see a (an?) Unix box in there, though :)
William Gates? YOU.....ARE........GOING........DOWN!!!!!!!!! I give you about another 11 months and change :)
heheheheh
Skull innocently forwards an adorable message, isn't the one actually doing comparison. You can usually tell by those little "> >" thingies :) Angus53, nontheless, attempts the three pointer at the buzzer:
> In your comparison of Jordan and Bird, you failed to mention NBA > Championships. One of the two guys led his respective team to six > championships, two three-peets to be exact. The other guy didn't.
> That tends to be an important factor.
Yeah, to those who don't believe it's actually a TEAM sport :) Scotty Pippen who? Jerry Rice who? Take away that incredible offesive line SF had and watch Montana get sacked too :)
Anyways, although posting it was a JOKE playing on the word "Jordan" (you did grok that part of it, right?, heh), somehow I feel compelled to find a way to relate it back to DTC, it being what we do here at the Dream Theater Content Utility Muffin Kitchen.
K, here goes:
Dream Theater is a TEAM :) WOW, what a concept!
The 'this individual is "better" than that individual' is not sufficient to adequately explain anything, except maybe how close minded the person attempting the proof is. It's statistical noise....DT is not noise....
Don't insult the TEAM, peeps, else the homies be slayin'
Regards, Jon -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
"The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows." -- Frank Zappa
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:07:53 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Closer to Universal Mind Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091F8@messaging>
>>>Anyway, maX said that he don't like the "stupic closer" [sic]. And why say that like an absolute truth? I happen to agree with Zaphod. I think that the closer (which, if you don't know, is called "The Entertainer") gives the album an irreverent feel -- that is, if youthink that only Derek Sherinian can bring fun to Dream Theater, you're not looking hard enough into what Jordan can come up with the other guys. Again, back to the main topic of my message: please, people realize that different people have different choices because they've collected different experiences during their lives and no opinion is "righter" than any other. Be open minded and learn to respect other people's opinions. Your posts reflect upon yourself. Be proud of them. []s, Roger...<<<
I think it was Tony Levin or JP that came up with this. They have that weird sense of humor (especially Tony). But listen to the 'Thank Yous' on the Christmas disc, and notice (I mean notice it again; I can't see how you'd miss it the first time) what Petrucci plays when the fan clubs are thanked - same kind of sense of humour (I prefer the British spelling). Look at Tony's webpage, and tell me if you can't see that hilarity... :)
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:12:12 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: stick-bass Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091F9@messaging>
<<< Not to stretch this out, but, um...
<< Umm...David, dosen't the Stick count when playing two-handed tapping? >>
<Not when you're talking about the bass.... :)
<Very similar, yet very different instruments....
Actually, Chapman makes a "Stick-Bass" :o)
-Geoffrey >>>
Oh - THERE's an emoticon I haven't seen before - neat....
And yes, I know, but I like to argue! :)
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New threads. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990122091004.9125A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Greetings, Has anyone seen all the guys in DT in shorts? Do you think JM shaves his legs? How many pubic hairs do you think James has, if he has any at all? Does JP prefer paper or plastic or does he prefer in a biggotted way that, "That bitch ought to be doing the shopping. After all, she's not fucking pregnant any more."? Is Darick perhaps an Alien who needs to return home and that is the secret code Mike implied the press release contained? Is Jordan just Kevin More too ashamed to admit defeat at film school, so he had plastic surgery and other changes and learned to play more crazily and is now back in the band? Do you think JP's kids first syllables were more of a weh or a wah and do you think perhaps Jp will try to imitate that using a variety of wawa pedals on the new LTE albom? Is James a moose in disguise? Just how many posts can Max, Al, and crew post in the space of one night? Ponder this. All of it. Disect it; debate it; stew over it; get angry; get high; be well. Matt B
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:35:24 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: max and isaac Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091FA@messaging>
All this discussion about Max and Issac reminded me about something funny. Call the movie (this shouldn't be TOO hard). And sorry, this IS my last post this jam....
ROBIN: Ah. W-well, actually I am a Knight of the Round Table. ALL HEADS: You're a Knight of the Round Table? ROBIN: I am. LEFT HEAD: In that case I shall have to kill you. MIDDLE HEAD: Shall I? RIGHT HEAD: Oh, I don't think so. MIDDLE HEAD: Well, what do I think? LEFT HEAD: I think kill him. RIGHT HEAD: Well let's be nice to him. MIDDLE HEAD: Oh shut up. LEFT HEAD: Perhaps- MIDDLE HEAD: And you. LEFT HEAD: Oh quick get the sword out I want to cut his head off! RIGHT HEAD: Oh, cut your own head off! MIDDLE HEAD: Yes, do us all a favor! LEFT HEAD: What? RIGHT HEAD: Yapping on all the time. MIDDLE HEAD: You're lucky, you're not next to him. LEFT HEAD: What do you mean? MIDDLE HEAD: You snore. LEFT HEAD: Oh I don't -- anyway, you've got bad breath. MIDDLE HEAD: Well its only because you don't brush my teeth. RIGHT HEAD: Oh stop bitching and let's go have tea. LEFT HEAD: All right all right all right we'll kill him first and then have tea and biscuits. MIDDLE HEAD: Yes. RIGHT HEAD: Oh, but not biscuits. LEFT HEAD: All right all right not biscuits, but lets kill him anyway. ALL HEADS: Right!
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:20:02 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Birch Hill 12/26/98 MP3s / comments Message-ID: <4.1.19990122125449.00acc300@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
For those registered at Lines in the Sand, I have added a "From the Vaults" section which will feature 5 or 6 MP3s from certain shows. These will rotate at least once a week, maybe more. Who knows? As for LTE live MP3s, I'm trying my best right now to get a copy of last night's show, and I have some sources who are taping the Philly show, so I'll try to get that one as well.
Who knows, maybe I'll just feature all 4 performances of LTE in MP3 format when I get all the shows? ;)
Anyways, this week's "From the Vaults" features Dream Theater's performance at Birch Hill, Old Bridge, NJ on 12/26/98. We have: Wait For Sleep, Anna Lee, Eve, Hollow Years, and The Way It Used To Be. If you use WinAmp or another MP3 player with consecutive play, you'll have 28:51 of consecutive material to listen to. Give it a go.
Oh, and just to address some items that have been brought up recently:
Isaac Trumbo -- shut up about Jordan / Derek.
Max Verran -- shut up in general.
Damon -- in reference to the Lines in the Sand site -- If you want the MP3s, let me know, and I'll tell you how you can download them. I apologize for my site not being Lynx-friendly, but it is rather complicated to get it to work in Lynx. [you know, i was going to sit here and type something like, "nananananananana mmmmmmBop mmmmmmmmBop shwish shwish papapapapapapapapapa lalalalalalala nanunanunanu hoot hoot hootenanny bibby bibby ble ble ble ble crock fooey" to piss you off, but I decided to refrain from doing so.]
Welp, that's all I have for now. Laters.
-Bogie
Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ "We won't give up until we've got no more MP3s to give."
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:10:16 -0800 From: Chris Oates <coates@objectivity.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: They Keys to dressing well Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990122101014.009ef720@objypop>
Mosh moshificated as only he can and out came:
>Kevin Moore? Forget that wuss... he just played keys... who cares if he >played them really good... who cares if he looked like the rest of that >dumb band... who cares if the music was good... he didn't have that >INTENSITY... he didn't oooooze sex appeal... yeah... fuck that... it's all >about stage antics...
Come on Mosh. Read the guy's post. His point was that Kevin DIDN'T look like the rest of the band, and given only the evidence of the LIT vid, it's true. (It's the only evidence I have, except one still photo in Keyboard Mag where kevin seems to be wearing that cool jacket-thing from the I&W album photos) Derek's look fit well into both the Awake and FII tours. He wasn't the only one up there in leather pants and weird shirts. It's not like the other guys were all wearing jeans or something... Everyone changed their look between Awake and FII. He may have been the flashiest, which may have muted the fact that the other guys were "dressing up" as well, but let's get serious (from Mosh? I am asking Mosh to be serious? I'm doomed) Derek fit into where the band was at the time.
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:44:39 EST From: AEllis1222@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER Message-ID: <a3928c03.36a8d527@aol.com>
A friend of mine wrote this. Should be a nice little break from the Derek/Jordan Thing! --Art
31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER
1 - If your drummer's kit costs more than the average new car. 2 - If anyone in the band has a degree in music. 3 - If you need to use algebra to figure out the time signatures of your songs. 4 - If you have ever used roman numerals in a song title. 5 - If you have ever made a literary reference in your lyrics. 6 - If your bassist can use words longer than two syllables=85 and use the= m correctly. 7 - If any of your songs contain more than three solo sections. 8 - If you have ever written a song longer than 10 minutes. 9 - If you have ever written an instrumental that is longer than 3 minutes= 10 - If you know what modes are, and actually use them. 11 - If anyone has ever said, "I don't understand your music." 12 - If you have ever made a concept album. 13 - If you think musical virtuosity is its own reward. 14 - If you are in a band and still practice scales. 15 - If you know what a hemiola is. 16 - If you can't play blues to save your life. 17 - If you physically cannot play without your guitar and your amp and yo= ur effects and the right strings and the right pick and the right guitar cabl= e and... 18 - If you have ever used more than 15 effect processors at one time. 19 - If you have ever gotten a repetitive motion disorder from practicing.= 20 - If you dig a 20-minute drum solo. 21 - If you think of a computer as a musical instrument. 22 - If your effects rack is taller than you. 23 - If anyone has ever mistaken you for an accountant. 24 - If you have ever played atonally -- on purpose. 25 - If you're in a rock band and can read sheet music. 26 - If you've never written a song with a I-IV-V chord progression. 27 - If you think it's hip to wear a kimono or a tunic on stage. 28 - If you truly embrace technology. 29 - If your bassist owns more than 5 bass guitars -- and he's not famous = or rich. 30 - If you think the '70's was the best decade for music despite disco, t= he creation of punk, folk, the beginnings of rap... 31 - If your songs contain solo sections that are longer than 4 minutes.
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