YTSEJAM Digest 4610
Today's Topics:
1) Mr. Max
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
2) re: Review of LTE show in NYC
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Craig's Music Page
by Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net>
4) RAIN CHEQUE update!!!
by Stixntrixx@aol.com
5) Too many jams!
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
7) Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
8) Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
9) Re: Birch Hill 12/26/98 MP3s / comments
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
10) Re: Too many jams!
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
11) Re: warning to all
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
12) Recording Shows
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4604
by Dwayne Foster <string_meister@yahoo.com>
14) TTT with JR
by Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
15) No more ytsejam vacations for me!
by Riffinator@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:57:19 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Mr. Max
Message-ID: <v04020a00b2ce41c28882@[194.8.195.247]>
> NOW, I am curious where it says DT99 will be written/recorded like
> LTE. I don't see it in the website. I just remember it being quoted
> several times.
Well, learn German and look on the The Mirror pages, there you'll see it.
But I'm sure it's mentioned on UACM somewhere!
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:17:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Review of LTE show in NYC Message-ID: <19990123001709.1375.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
Matt (mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com ) wrote about LTE:
> These guys clicked together so well on stage, >-the various improvs >-Jordans UNBEFUCKINLEAVABLE keyboard solo which
Sounds like a killer show!
I'm guessing that some of this fantastic playing includes some incredible soloing duels between Jordan and Petrucci? How about incredible synchronized solos? Were they able to pull them off live? Did they do a lot of them?
It just seems from all the descriptions that these 2 guys could do synchronized solos at light speed in their sleep (and make them up as they go!).
But that would be impossible... They'd need a telepathic link! (Did anyone notice any fiber-optic cables running between their heads?) ;o)
- BH
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:51:59 -0500 From: Craig Griffith <tarkus@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Craig's Music Page Message-ID: <36A91D2E.FBBD76F2@softhome.net>
I just put up a music page on Geocities with some song samples of my stuff, if any of you Ytsejammers are interested. Basically it's prog-rock, with perhaps hints of standard rock and metal. It has a URL, and that URL is: http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Opera/2398/index.htm
E-mail me if you go there! -- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:11:13 EST From: Stixntrixx@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RAIN CHEQUE update!!! Message-ID: <f28d1994.36a921b1@aol.com>
Sorry for the interruption, but after my post yesterday alerting you to the fact that my band, RAIN CHEQUE, has a song available for downloading from the mp3.com website, we have climbed in the charts from being #100 and something to #65!!!!! You guys rock. Thanks to everybody who checked it out and for those who haven't: no time like the present. Check it out at http://www.mp3.com/music/Rock/7268.html. Let's keep the momentum going until we hit #1. Thanks.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:12:38 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Too many jams! Message-ID: <199901230112.TAA21123@adam.enteract.com>
>> PLEASE << People >> PLEASE <<
Consider this before you post! In off-time, when the list is really calm, it's easy to skip past posts that are basically private e-mail made public. Right now, it's not. CONSIDER how many posts you send to the jam, and if perhaps they could be combined! Within the course of 1 DAY I believe Mr. Geerts and maX Verran have BOTH beaten Damon's "how many posts can I get in one digest" record. I'm using you two as examples here: 5 posts that come through to the jam WITHOUT any posts from other people in between them means that you're simply not considering how much easier it would be for all of us if you would just combine the posts, and respond AFTER you've read your backlog of jams! As for maX, your posts are mostly USELESS one liners! If you're just writing to cuss someone out, can't you send it private? At least at times like this when we have so many jams coming through... it serves no purpose for us to see 27 posts in one day, of nothing but curses and insults. Even _I_ the king of the 5 mile post have refrained from going off on idiots on this list in the past few days, even when they're attacking me personally.
Get with the program!
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:10:07 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990122201007.00805d80@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
OK, I need to add to this.
32. If your band has a keyboard player with more than 2 keyboards. 33. If your band has a keyboardist with at least one synthesizer with more the four knobs. 34. If your keyboardist plays faster with his weak hand than most people do with their strong ones. 35. If your keyboardist plays faster than your guitarist or drummer. 36. If your keyboardist like to stab his instruments with daggers, play on spinning pianos, or rip off classical music sections to put in your songs. 37. If you can't keep a keyboardist in your band. 38. If your vocalist has more than a 3 octave range and never sings lower than a dog whistle. 39. If your album covers look like trippy lsd art fests. 40. If nobody likes your band. At 12:02 PM 1/22/1999 -0800, you wrote: > > A friend of mine wrote this. Should be a nice little break from the > Derek/Jordan Thing! > --Art > > 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER > > 1 - If your drummer's kit costs more than the average new car. > 2 - If anyone in the band has a degree in music. > 3 - If you need to use algebra to figure out the time signatures of your > songs. > 4 - If you have ever used roman numerals in a song title. > 5 - If you have ever made a literary reference in your lyrics. > 6 - If your bassist can use words longer than two syllables=85 and use the= > m > correctly. > 7 - If any of your songs contain more than three solo sections. > 8 - If you have ever written a song longer than 10 minutes. > 9 - If you have ever written an instrumental that is longer than 3 minutes= > > 10 - If you know what modes are, and actually use them. > 11 - If anyone has ever said, "I don't understand your music." > 12 - If you have ever made a concept album. > 13 - If you think musical virtuosity is its own reward. > 14 - If you are in a band and still practice scales. > 15 - If you know what a hemiola is. > 16 - If you can't play blues to save your life. > 17 - If you physically cannot play without your guitar and your amp and yo= > ur > effects and the right strings and the right pick and the right guitar cabl= > e > and... > 18 - If you have ever used more than 15 effect processors at one time. > 19 - If you have ever gotten a repetitive motion disorder from practicing.= > > 20 - If you dig a 20-minute drum solo. > 21 - If you think of a computer as a musical instrument. > 22 - If your effects rack is taller than you. > 23 - If anyone has ever mistaken you for an accountant. > 24 - If you have ever played atonally -- on purpose. > 25 - If you're in a rock band and can read sheet music. > 26 - If you've never written a song with a I-IV-V chord progression. > 27 - If you think it's hip to wear a kimono or a tunic on stage. > 28 - If you truly embrace technology. > 29 - If your bassist owns more than 5 bass guitars -- and he's not famous = > or > rich. > 30 - If you think the '70's was the best decade for music despite disco, t= > he > creation of punk, folk, the beginnings of rap... > 31 - If your songs contain solo sections that are longer than 4 minutes. > >
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:11:25 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990122201125.008059d0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
Here's another one. 41. If you can play faster than you can drive. 42. If you think playing at the speed of light sounds like a great idea. At 02:44 PM 1/22/1999 -0800, you wrote: > > > > AEllis1222@aol.com wrote: > > > 5 - If you have ever made a literary reference in your lyrics. > > Then Blues Traveler is prog, because they referred to Peter Pan both in Hook > and I Have My Moments. :) > > > 6 - If your bassist can use words longer than two syllables=85 and use the= > > m > > correctly. > > Duh, what talk you now? > > > 8 - If you have ever written a song longer than 10 minutes. > > The Doors. Iron Butterfly. > > > 11 - If anyone has ever said, "I don't understand your music." > > I'm not going to touch that one. > > > 12 - If you have ever made a concept album. > > Um...several Wu-Tang Clan members and Busta Rhymes (I think) have made concept > albums. They're not as rare and as peculiar to prog as one might think. > > > 13 - If you think musical virtuosity is its own reward. > > You could be a jazz or classical musician and think that. > > > 16 - If you can't play blues to save your life... > > ..you might play polka. > > > 21 - If you think of a computer as a musical instrument. > > Techno. New age. > > Anyway, I got the intent of the post, but I wanted to pick a few nits. *Some* > funny stuff. > > > -- > Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland > http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ > "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson > > >
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:11:47 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990122201147.00805d40@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
43. If the rest of the band hates that you play faster than they do. At 02:44 PM 1/22/1999 -0800, you wrote: > > > > AEllis1222@aol.com wrote: > > > 5 - If you have ever made a literary reference in your lyrics. > > Then Blues Traveler is prog, because they referred to Peter Pan both in Hook > and I Have My Moments. :) > > > 6 - If your bassist can use words longer than two syllables=85 and use the= > > m > > correctly. > > Duh, what talk you now? > > > 8 - If you have ever written a song longer than 10 minutes. > > The Doors. Iron Butterfly. > > > 11 - If anyone has ever said, "I don't understand your music." > > I'm not going to touch that one. > > > 12 - If you have ever made a concept album. > > Um...several Wu-Tang Clan members and Busta Rhymes (I think) have made concept > albums. They're not as rare and as peculiar to prog as one might think. > > > 13 - If you think musical virtuosity is its own reward. > > You could be a jazz or classical musician and think that. > > > 16 - If you can't play blues to save your life... > > ..you might play polka. > > > 21 - If you think of a computer as a musical instrument. > > Techno. New age. > > Anyway, I got the intent of the post, but I wanted to pick a few nits. *Some* > funny stuff. > > > -- > Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland > http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ > "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson > > >
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:24:00 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Birch Hill 12/26/98 MP3s / comments Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990122202400.00817410@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
At 10:30 AM 1/22/1999 -0800, you wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > For those registered at Lines in the Sand, I have added a "From the > Vaults" section which will feature 5 or 6 MP3s from certain shows. > These will rotate at least once a week, maybe more. Who knows? > As for LTE live MP3s, I'm trying my best right now to get a copy of > last night's show, and I have some sources who are taping the Philly > show, so I'll try to get that one as well. > > Who knows, maybe I'll just feature all 4 performances of LTE in MP3 > format when I get all the shows? ;) > > Anyways, this week's "From the Vaults" features Dream Theater's > performance at Birch Hill, Old Bridge, NJ on 12/26/98. We have: > Wait For Sleep, Anna Lee, Eve, Hollow Years, and The Way It Used > To Be. If you Bogie, you are a punkass.
I don't use lynx anymore, I graduated to other browsers, but the least you can do is put some text on your links so I can figure out what each link is. All I get is image when I tab around. HAven't tried it in IE4 or anything, but if you can just put some alt tags on those images, or at least make some text to read, or something that would be really nice. sorry to clutter the jam with this, but I would rather read this than flames. I want all those mp3 files, Bogie. You hear me? All fo them. If it has proggy shit in it, and it is an mp3, give it to me. use WinAmp or another MP3 player with consecutive > play, you'll have 28:51 of consecutive material to listen to. Give it > a go. > > Oh, and just to address some items that have been brought up > recently: > > Isaac Trumbo -- shut up about Jordan / Derek. > > Max Verran -- shut up in general. > > Damon -- in reference to the Lines in the Sand site -- If you want the MP3s, > let me know, and I'll tell you how you can download them. I apologize > for my site not being Lynx-friendly, but it is rather complicated to get it > to work in Lynx. [you know, i was going to sit here and type something > like, "nananananananana mmmmmmBop mmmmmmmmBop shwish > shwish papapapapapapapapapa lalalalalalala nanunanunanu hoot hoot > hootenanny bibby bibby ble ble ble ble crock fooey" to piss you off, but > I decided to refrain from doing so.] > > Welp, that's all I have for now. Laters. > > -Bogie > > Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand > http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ > "We won't give up until we've got no more MP3s to give." > >
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:31:15 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Too many jams! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9901230229001.23764-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Christopher Ptacek wrote:
> send to the jam, and if perhaps they could be combined! Within the course > of 1 DAY I believe Mr. Geerts and maX Verran have BOTH beaten Damon's "how > many posts can I get in one digest" record. I'm using you two as examples
Right.. I apologize... I just didn't realize I was sending so much in such short amount of time... (especially with so many mails being posted to the list, there's so much to respond to). I'll keep an eye on it...
Thanks for reminding me and others on the list.
Cheers
Zaphod
============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ==============================================================================
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:40:28 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: warning to all Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990122204028.00816b80@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
I have a suggestion. I think if Skadz is going to post as a moderator of this list, he should put the word admin in the subject line. Just so's I know to read it. I am not telling Skadz how to run this list, just making a suggestion because most of us breeze through and if we see a bigass admin thing in the subejct, we will know that skadzthe moderator is posting as opposed to skadz the DT fan. At 03:45 PM 1/22/1999 -0800, you wrote: > > just so everyone know. maxverran@hotmail.com has been removed from > the jam. I plan on doing some catch up later this weekend and there > will probably be other people removed. Anyone who is removed is being > removed by their own stupidity, no other reason besides that. Grow up > people, lets keep this a mailing list people want to be on. > > As I have said before, the main rule for this mailing list is: > > THINK _BEFORE_ YOU POST. > > Obviously there are lots of people who are NOT doing that and now they > will suffer the consequences. > > Skadz > > -- > Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us > Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us > skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us > http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" > | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning >
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:19:44 +0700 From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Recording Shows Message-ID: <36A93FD0.E79A8C13@pacific.net.ph>
Hi, all,
I was wondering what you show recorders do to tape shows. What are your techniques? Do you get your recordings from the soundboard? I'm assuming that the better recordings are done this way to eliminate crowd noise. I don't know jack, mind you. I'm just wondering how to get more DT live recordings. I'm new to this boot thing. I've never
found a band whose live performances have interested me enough.
Anybody record from the crowd? I imagine that I won't sound as good, but I'm pessimistic about getting a recording from the board for various
reasons.
-Rob
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Dwayne Foster <string_meister@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4604 Message-ID: <19990123022050.14677.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
Um, hi there, I just subscribed to the Ytsejam Digest or whatever it's called and received my first one. Now I'm unsubscribing. Your all idiots. I mean who cares if Derek or Kevin wore different clothes than the other members, they could of dressed in drag for all I care. What is important is how well they played, which was phenomenal. That's why they were in DT in the first place, why they were invited to join the greatest group of musicians in the world, because they kicked ass. Who cares if DT is becoming less progressive, or if Derek liked heavier music. Whatever they play, they are still DT and they still blow anyone away. Anyway, your little anal analysis' of clothes and hair isn't for me. maX, your retardeD! Isaac, Ditto! I thought this was suppossed to be a discussion group on DT's greatness. I have seen no discussion, just petty and childish arguing and name calling. See ya.
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:23:39 +0700 From: Robert Jurado <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: TTT with JR Message-ID: <36A940BB.5DFBA845@pacific.net.ph>
I left this out of my last post, because I was still listening to it while typing. Anyway, now that I'm done with my first listen...
Holy smokes!
That mp3 was awesome. It wasn't just JR. It was the whole band. They just seemed really alive in comparison to the TTT on OIALT. Anyway, that seemed to be my impression. Can't wait to hear more with JR, but I am sorry that both KM and DS are gone. It's time for a new era. I bet it will be great.
-Rob
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:46:07 EST From: Riffinator@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: No more ytsejam vacations for me! Message-ID: <1f2058f1.36a937ef@aol.com>
Wow. I go a week without reading the jam and....of course, crazy shit happens. Looks like it's back to 10 jams a day again! No complaints here though. I know I can't really say anymore about the situation than has already been posted repeatedly, but I feel obligated to donate my $.02 on the madness.
Derek: Great showsman, awesome musician...plain and simple. He added a ballsy keyboard sound to DT...and, I can't see how anyone who has heard OIALT can dispute his credibility as a competent performer. He will be missed (by most) for sure. He really added to the equation of FII....obviously not everyone's fav....but still a kickass album IMHO. Is he gay? I don't know. Do I care? Hell no. For all the "intelligent" DS bashers out there....I have 4 words: grow the fuck up! Noone's sexual preference should justify one's talent....(unless of course the artist in question is George Michael.....hehehe....jk). As far as his departure from DT his concerned....I'm sure it was more professional than personal.....I mean c'mon....just b/c they "played" together on stage doesn't mean he was best buds with DT! Remember he lives on the opposite corner of the US than the other guys anyway. Regardless, I'm sure he will continue to kickass in future projects.
Jordan: Ok, for those who are starving for more prog and hated FII.....well, I never claimed to be psychic....but, you're gonna get it! Will the next DT album sound like LTE? Maybe, but I doubt it. As I hear it, the next album will be recorded much like the LTE sessions were....everyone together and as quickly as possible. That fact notwithstanding, I'm sure the songs will be more structured and sound cohesive....how else would James keep his job? :) But, for those who say that the next DT album will be LTE3, you may find yourself digging your foot out of your mouths in a few months!
See ya on IRC, Drew
"Music is Love in search of a word." -Lanier
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