YTSEJAM Digest 4624
Today's Topics:
1) Yes family tree (D-man!!)
by O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
2) (no subject)
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
3) trial of singles
by "Tanja Sorsa" <keskus@fng.fi>
4) Re: all the whiners
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
5) Re: A New DT List?
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
6) An opinion on the Jam
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
7) The solution to problems with the Jam.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
8) Top 10 lists, of course
by phumm@scientech.com
9) this guy wins
by "Harold Richards" <harich@hotmail.com>
10) Re: A New DT List Part 2
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Re: Trent..so im a slow learner
by AyameYuki@aol.com
12) Re: SUCH a Nice Person Our Brian!!!!!
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
13) The YtseMoron Poll
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
14) Re: SUCH a Nice Person Our Brian!!!!!
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
15) WARNING: Top 10 Lists
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
16) NEW DT MAILING LIST!!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:12:50 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <komoolli@trade.hamkk.fi>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Yes family tree (D-man!!)
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990127091250.009a31d0@mail.surffi.net>
I found very interesting (and scary) family tree, all yes / prog rock fans
should check this out... really cool
http://members.aol.com/yesfamily/tree/fulltreechart.html
oh yeah, and if someone could pass this information to D-man, he would
prolly be happy...
op777
p.s. sorry about my last post where I used the words keyboard and synth as
equal terms.. as I said, I really don't know anything about them.. yet :)
Thoughts while Eating at McDonald's "...if people were actually shaped like
those little "throw litter away" people-figures with the pointy limbs that
appear on the boxes the burgers come in, they'd fall into gratings all the
time and get stuck. But getting out of jail would be really easy." -Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 02:23:35 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <36AEBEF7.6CE77851@bigfoot.com>
>(4) Female musos to be encouraged to participate, whatever their age
and
>inexperience, so they can learn more without being bitched at and told
to shut
>up. We need yin and yang!
Hey, why don't you shut up, you stupid bitch! Who gave you shoes and let
you out of the kitchen, anyway? Go make me some breakfast.
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"------------------------------
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:17:58 EET From: "Tanja Sorsa" <keskus@fng.fi> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: trial of singles Message-ID: <15089855F66@fng.fi>
Hei.
My boyfriend recently bought "Trial Of Singles" and we're wondering if it's an official promo, like it says on the cover, or a boot pretending to be a promo :-) The quality is superb, and it sure looks like a real thing. But why would a promo have the lyrics & comments straight from the official DT songbook on the net? Just because it's easy? The CD is a really good compilation of B-sides etc, and "Speak to me" is an absolute favourite of mine at the moment...
Someone mentioned buying the "Nighttown Nostalgia" boot. I bought it too, just because the stuff on 5YIAL video was so good. Good quality, and good graphics... just a few typos in the song titles, and totally missing "Goodbye yellow brick road" in the track listing. Love it when the band talks so much (altho' James uses too many F words :-) )! On the CD(s) itself the name is Nightshow Nostalgia, but I gather NightTOWN Nostalgia is the correct one... Hmm. Really worth the money (FIM 240) this one!
Greetings from the freezin' (-20C... - 50C in Lapland) Finland!
Tanja (Tenze)
http://members.tripod.com/Tenze/
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:34:10 -0600 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: all the whiners Message-ID: <36AEC172.22BC@bellsouth.net>
actually, I personally think if people just spent less time telling others what they should do and what they shouldn't do, especially Mr. Brian and Mr. Chris...perhaps they would find things that would be make their lives more worthwhile than their's are right now, which obviously isn't much if Silly little Top 10 lists that are just fun to make sometimes offend them to such a degree....just like they don't like reading the lists, others don't like reading their whines.
> At 08:27 PM 1/25/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > >>Are all of you fucking stupid? > >> > >>Didn't any of you stupid assholes read the letter you got when you >subbed? > >> > >>NO MOTHERFUCKING TOP TEN LISTS! > > > >I think a simple "please, guys, no more top ten lists--it's in > >the 'DO NOT POST' category," would have sufficed. > > Well gee, I think the fact that it's one of the rules would have been > sufficient... but I guess NOT. Some people obviously need a kick in the > head, and apparently Brian is just the man for the job. > > :op *****************
-- Geaux Tigers!!!! http://www.angelfire.com/la/qryche/index.html "I Know If I Try, I'll Get Where I'm Going/ Keeping My Eyes On the Sky" -"Some People Fly" by Queensryche
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:36:10 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: A New DT List? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990126233607.00850c10@postoffice.pacbell.net>
Yes, there is another DT list... The Mirror was created to fill the gap left behind when Voices died. Voices was a great list but, as I understand it, Charone (the moderator) lost access to the server that was hosting the list.
However, The Mirror *is moderated* (not censored) just as Voices was, so I'm sure it wouldn't meet the Ice Queen's standards. The difference between censoring and moderating is that I do not edit the content of anyone's post in any way... I only reject posts in their entirety if they do not meet the guidelines of the list.
The existing guidelines were suggested, and voted on by the early subscribers of The Mirror... so this isn't a case of one person coming up with a bunch of rules and expecting everyone to abide by them.
The Mirror was actually intended for hard-core DT fans... (by that I mean people that don't have to ask if their I&W disc is fucked up because PMU cuts off at the end, why Kevin left the band, etc.) basically the subscribers are expected to read the FAQ before asking questions. Of course most of them don't, and it does seem that there are quite a few DT newcomers on the list (probably the people Craig is referring to). Some of them do ask very elementary questions ("what does FII stand for?")... but the nice thing is that the oldtimers on the list have been very helpful, and (afaik) no one has been flamed or made to feel inferior because of their lack of DT knowledge. In fact the entire D/J debate was quite civil.
So if you can put up with a few silly questions, you might want to check out The Mirror. http://www.dreamt.org/ytsemirror/themirror.html
Or not. The choice is yours.
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net
At 10:54 PM 1/26/99 -0800, you wrote: > >There basically is such a list, though it's not populated with the brightest >people on God's gray earth. (from what I've heard from reliable sources) It's >called The Mirror, and I believe it's moderated by Lisa Marie Peterson aka >Jessie. I'm sure she has more info on it. > >-- >Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland >http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ >"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:35:30 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: An opinion on the Jam Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990126233530.008d68b0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
I don't post much, but I have a perspective to offer.
Mike has a point. This is the ultimate forum to say what you want about Dream Theater...Opinions are wonderful, but only when brought into the discussion with intelligence and maturity. Unfortunately, on this list (as with society), not everyone can hold their tounge from saying ridiculous things and insulting people. It is a good think Derek unsubbed when he did. No person should have to read the amazingly immature posts thrown his way.
One thing that has bothered me over the years are those that find it fun and amusing to bash the members of the band we are all here to enjoy together. It seems that some people loose sight of the fact that the members of DT are actual people. Somehow or another, the members of DT attain a mythical status, as if they don't really exist outside of the CD liners. The guys in DT are REAL, just like you and I, and certainly not deserving of all the shit that people say here. I suggest that we offer constructive criticism rather than attack them directly. We are here to celebrate the band, not drag them through mud. I'm sure they have learned to ignore all the innane rumors and bullshit that stream from people's fingers onto the jam, but for decency's sake, try to have some control over what you post. For instance, if you don't like Derek, say so. If you don't like his clothes, it doesn't matter much, but go ahead and post it. But don't say he is a fag, or a queer, or an asshole, or whatever. That kind of talk has no place in a public forum.
These things usually don't bother me too much, as I have seen it happen so many times in the past 4000 or so jams. But it seems to have been heightened as of late. Too many people think that they can say whatever they please...I don't think we need a list moderated by rules, but one moderated by common sense. And a list comprised of people without egos. The ytsejam is not life, so don't pretend it is.
To those that choose to unsubscribe, I am sorry to see you make that decision. There is some really good stuff on here, you just have to wade through the unimportant stuff to find it.
Cheers all. And thanks Mike, for sticking through this crap. You don't have to, but you do, and there are those of us that appreciate it.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The solution to problems with the Jam. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990126233811.8518B-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Read the subject headings. REad whatever truly interests you. If the subject does not, skip or delete. Saves lots of time. Be well. Matt B
============================================================================ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Guitarist in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area of California seeks innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if interested. mattb@mbay.net ================================================================================= "With Man gone, will there be hope for Gorilla?... With Gorilla gone, will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin) "If your social circle is you, you're a cactus." (Ron Thal)
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:23:26 -0800 From: phumm@scientech.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Top 10 lists, of course Message-ID: <199901262023.NAA09720@if.scientech.com>
Here is my list of the top ten posts on the subject of "Top 10 Bands" from Ytsejam Digest 4620:
> 4) Top 10 Bands > by DrummerEsh@aol.com > 5) Re: Top 10 Bands > by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> > 6) My top 10 bands > by ToxicSheep@aol.com > 7) Top 10 > by "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> > 9) Re: Top 10 bands > by KeithMoony@aol.com > 10) Re: Top 10 Bands > by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) > 11) my top ten > by "Krishna Donepudi" <skd7789@megahertz.njit.edu> > 16) Re: Top 10 Bands > by Kyle McCabe <kmccabe@wavetech.net> > 17) Re: Top 10 Bands > by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> > 18) Re: Top 10 Bands > by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
Now I remember why I unsubscribed a few months ago... :)
(Aside from being sick of reading twice per jam about EMPTY TREMOR, THE GREATEST BAND IN THE WORLD, AND THEIR BRILLIANT MASTERPIECE, APOCOLYPSASHOURIHASYNCHRONICITOSIS!!! YOU MUST LIKE EMPTY TREMOR OR YOU ARE DUMB!!! ALL HAIL EMPTY TREMOR!!!)
-Paul
------------- Paul Humm phumm@scientech.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:48:08 PST From: "Harold Richards" <harich@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: this guy wins Message-ID: <19990126184808.1812.qmail@hotmail.com>
Brian Hayden sent this trash to the list.
>I've decided, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. > >So, in that spirit, I'd like to offer up....THE FIRST ANNUAL >YTSEMORON AWARDS! > >That's right. Your chance to vote for your favorite idiot. List your >top >ten ytsedumbasses, either right here on the list or to me privately. >Results will be compiled on a point system and posted on my website. >Any >nomineees with hotmail addresses will recieve ten extra points. >Let's see some serious voting! > >-Brian
Let's see... I think the only one who should be nominated for that is you. Doesn't feel too good, does it?
The LAST thing the ytsejam needs is MORE people calling each other idiots and dumbasses, etc.
Right now, this list is really struggling with that. We have to end the trend. Brian has been the one slamming people really hard since the day I joined the list. I think the only reason he wants to do this is because he doesn't like Max Verran. You can all lay off him too.
And just so you know. I posted a message last night, saying he shouldn't call everyone assholes. "Suck me buddy" was his response. Maybe because I'm hotmail? No, I think he's just the jerk master.
Brian, I don't like you, but that doesn't matter. I'm just one person. What matters is that I don't think many jammers like you at all.
______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: A New DT List Part 2 Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990126135717.18622A-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 IceQD@aol.com wrote:
> > Wow!! > > After receiving a reply from Mike Portnoy himself (who receives copyright for > the name Bitche Jam) we would like to add something to the suggestions we made > in 'A New DT List' >
Personally, I don't think this is necessary at all. I've been on here for over five years, and it seems stuff like this goes around in circles.
When you have a list of as many people as are on here, there's bound to be flame-wars, stupid shit, etc. It seems as though this happens every 4 or 5 months or so, brought about by 3 or 4 (out of over 800, I think) individuals. That's really not a bad perecentage, if you ask me.
The problem here is that people need to read the guidelines set by Skadz for this list. We've had Top 10 lists on here at least 10-15 times in the past year or so. Someone did it correctly (emails were sent directly to him and he compiled them) and it turned out great.
The major problems that occur seem to be the following:
1.) Posting of Top 10/5/25/100 lists. 2.) Discussion of Metallica and the ensuing flamewars 3.) People posting 10-15 messages in a row instead of consolidating 4.) MIME/HTML postings
Another problem is the arguing on this list between two people. TWO PEOPLE, out of the hundreds on here. No one wants to listen to 2 people argue, so TAKE IT TO PRIVATE E-MAIL. It's simple. Don't post arguments on here for support from others, unless it's an issue that would affect a large majority of the Jammers (the Mike Bahr thing is kinda an example).
BTW, that light bulb thing was on here 15-20 times already. That's why I wished your fiery demise in the depths of Oblivion. Nothing personal....
I think by starting up new lists, etc. it dilutes the scope of the mailing list, and takes away from the whole purpose of a list. It's been tried before, and hasn't really done that well. Mailing lists for specific things, like the YtseTribute project, the YtseCons, and stuff like that is great. But having another Ytsejam just because things got a bit out of hand for the past two weeks really won't solve anything. If you think that the list you develop won't have the same problems, then you're mistaken.
I appreciate your attempts to make Dream Theater fans "all get along", but by un-subbing and trying to do your own thing isn't the way to go about it.
There's a reason why the Ytsejam Mailing List is still here after 6 or so years with this many people - because no matter how bad flame-wars get every now and then, the basic point that we're rabid DT fans stands out in the long run, and those that come by and start these stupid flame wars go away eventually.
Self-governance is a great thing. Think before you post. Know when a thread or flamewar or something in general is out of hand. Follow these simple things, and your life in general will be successful, not only the Ytsejam.
-Al
====================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ balkiewi@umdnj.edu----sigma982@yahoo.com----abalkiewicz@healthways.org HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:32:25 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Trent..so im a slow learner Message-ID: <3df17eea.36ae88c9@aol.com>
much thanks to trent and his *sarcasm* about my jam fest. but anyway, im caught up and yeah. brian is pissed ( but says in EVERY friggin post that he wont ever post to the list again. hmm...i think he's got a rake up his butt too. i think its a coincidence, or just plain annoying. and trent, your last post summed it up : i should read more often instead of triple clicking over the text files. :) thanks yet again, youve saved my comp from crashing
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:14:55 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Cc: <IceQD@aol.com> Subject: Re: SUCH a Nice Person Our Brian!!!!! Message-ID: <001a01be49bc$5bf959e0$3a1110ac@DEMCCOR.clemson.edu>
> From: IceQD@aol.com <IceQD@aol.com> > Subject: SUCH a Nice Person Our Brian!!!!!
posting a private message to a public forum? this is also a no-no. you're quite good at finding all the rules and breaking them. wow. that takes skill. moo.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:53:59 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The YtseMoron Poll Message-ID: <36ae7fc61067001@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Well folks, submissions are coming along nicely, but we need YOU! Voting is your civic responsibility, so mail me with your top ten YtseMorons, and remember, we have long memories. George.DIE.Farber...The Hootenanny (aka D-Man Imposter)...HazeX...Michael Coghlann...or give it a recent flavor with front-runners like Megadave, Issaac Trumbo, or MaX Verran.
Let's hear it what you think!
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:18:17 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: SUCH a Nice Person Our Brian!!!!! Message-ID: <36aeafa854bc001@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:20:01 -0800 (PST) from IceQD@aol.com: > > > This is EXACTLY our point, this lovely little message received > today!!!!!!!
Apparently, you haven't learned that it is extremely rude to make a private email public. Would you tack a letter someone sent you to the bulletin board in the classroom or the office? Would you transmit your phone calls over a radio? Without informing the other person first?
I should hope not.
But since you've done it here, let me just offer up a hearty
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
And get lost. I think everyone on this list will joining me in saying that this is unacceptable behavior.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:57:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: WARNING: Top 10 Lists Message-ID: <13998.40142.225896.813692@optical.mindstorm.com>
I think I have only said this about a thousand times in the past, but, just in case you missed it (which alot people seem to have). Top Ten lists are NOT allowed on the Ytsejam Mailing List. Please DO NOT continue this thread.
Thank you, Skadz
-- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:03:28 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: NEW DT MAILING LIST!! Message-ID: <199901270303.TAA22716@gms.gmsnet.com>
ARE YOU REALLY REALLY TIRED OF YTSEJAM?? TIRED OF THE GARBAGE ON IT? REALLY WANT TO LEAVE BUT DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT WITHOUT THE LATEST INFO? WELL HERE IT IS!! SALVATION!!
YES!!! I'M HERE TO ANNOUNCE THE NEW DT MAILING LIST, WITH LESS FLAMES, A POSITIVE VIBE, AND 24/7 POLICE OF UNWANTED POSTS. THIS LIST WILL BE LOW IN VOLUME... HIGH IN CONTENT, IT'LL BE DT ONLY!!!!! IT'S YOUR DREAM LIST!!! TO SUBSCRIBE SIMPLY FOLLOW THESE *EASY* STEPS!!!!
mail to ytsejam-request@ax.com
no subject needed, or if you wish, a subject line of : asdf
in the MESSAGE BODY, put the following:
unsubscribe ytsejam <yourname>
IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!!! GO NOW!!!!! NO WAITING!!!
-The Doc
-- > drkhoe@gmsnet.com > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire > thing cause it'll crash.
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