YTSEJAM Digest 4631
Today's Topics:
1) Threshold
by ASHLEY WONG <ashley.wong@etl.ericsson.se>
2) LTE concert mp3 / KEYS (was: Rudess solo on LTE concert mp3)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
3) It Ain't Over 'til It's Over
by MusicSnob@aol.com
4) JP lessons online.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
5) re: Petrucci, personalities
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
6) Re: Were YOU at LTE | Kuprij | beauty and the beast
by JamesAhab@aol.com
7) Re: Live album inquiry
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) Bafu, NoVA, etc....
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
9) A Message from Derek Sherinian (fwd)
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
10) better?
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
11) Fates Warning
by "Ambassador Nelaskon" <cyaron@mailcity.com>
12) Re: di meola
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
13) Re: thanks skadz
by AyameYuki@aol.com
14) I'm not Max Verran.
by MaxArbot@aol.com
15) Re: Shame on the "Bitchy Jam"
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:34 +0100
From: ASHLEY WONG <ashley.wong@etl.ericsson.se>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Threshold
Message-ID: <199901281734.7wSs@eds.ericsson.se>
--- Received from ETL.ETLAYWG +44-1444-231883 99-01-28 18:34
-> ytsejam(a)ax.com
Hello all,
Just got this message from the Threshold Fanclub:
Threshold starting off 1999 European clone tour with two UK dates:
20th Feb. Herringthorpe Leisure Centre, Yorkshire
Special guests: Ezra.
21st Feb. London Astoria 2, London
Special guests: Landmarq.
And new website: mars.spaceports.com/=FCdevoted
Cheers,
ash.
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:50:17 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE concert mp3 / KEYS (was: Rudess solo on LTE concert mp3)
Message-ID: <36B0A359.751F@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Alexis wrote:
> When I read some opinions that said their doubts about Jordan
> disappeared when they heard the solo, I was expecting something new.
My guess would be that they weren't basing upon whether he played
something new or not, but more about the overall "Jordan experience". Or
maybe they hadn't heard the RPM tune? :)))
Having heard most of the MP3s I'm kinda glad in a way that there wasn't
TOO much new stuff played there. Just enough to whet the appetite but
not too much that by the time LTE 2 comes out, we'd be going "I was
expecting something new" :)))
After listening to "Another Dimension" a good 10 times, I have some
thoughts on Jordan:
I've seen Jordan twice with Rod Morgenstein in clinic mode, have RPM and
LTE discage, and have heard the TTT and Lie mp3s; but the sounds he
making there around 1:38 (it's also repeated toward the end of the
song), are a side of Jordan I had never heard before. He got kinda lets
his hair down there a little. I never had any doubts that Jordan could
play make any type of sound texture he wants to come out of that
Kurzweil. It's just a patch :))) This part made me immediately rewind it
before hearing the rest of the song.
He's quite clearly not only a class act and a team player, but a
boundary explorer as well. He's able to step into a situation (winger,
rpm, lte, dt live, classical concerto performance, whatever) and just
runs with it. No ego there, just play. Jordan's barely scratched the
surface and DT is just another new direction for him to explore. The
mind reels in anticipation of the what DT will come up with next....
Also, the rhythm and chunk on the intro after JP and MP join in with
Tony, has a "Just Let Me Breathe" feel to it with a sprinkle of
Necronomicon. Maybe it's the way Mike's hitting that cymbal and the
snare work. I just really like that underlying rhythm and what he's
doing with it.
If this is _one_ of the stops the DT bus is making, sign me up for a
ticket...
Oh yeah, one more thing about the Kevin/Derek/Jordan thing: I heard the
Precious Things version of 6:00 for the first time yesterday. And I must
say that during the part where James is singing "Inside....coming
outside" that John Myung simply leaves the planet!!!
:P
I do like the keyboard SOUNDS on that version. I guess I can understand
a little more where some the "Kevin camp" might be coming from. Maybe it
not about who is better as a player, but the actual sounds in a giving
section. I've heard Derek play it just as true to the original intention
of the song, but use different textures of sounds at different points. I
imagine Jordan will (if he already has, please someone point me to a
sample of it) also play it well, and throw his slant onto it...
Heir Breitweg:
> "Empeg's car mp3 stereo has apparently passed CE/FCC
> [...]
I just had a thought of Ytseradio: The Next Generation being pumped in
via the car's antenna. Slap an RF transmitter on the back end, crank the
transmitter wattage up, step on the frequency spectrum, and Ytseradio
rules the planet... Old ladies stuck in morning rush hour traffic on
their way to aerobics class, hands flailing as they rock out to their
favorite DJ cranking out The Mirror.
Peace!
Jon
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:07:26 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: It Ain't Over 'til It's Over
Message-ID: <481bb859.36b0a75e@aol.com>
op777 falsely attributed the following:
>Thoughts while Eating at McDonald's "...if people were actually shaped like
>those little "throw litter away" people-figures with the pointy limbs that
>appear on the boxes the burgers come in, they'd fall into gratings all the
>time and get stuck. But getting out of jail would be really easy." -Bafu Vai
Bafu may have posted that, but he was quoting me. Gimme credit, damnit! You
say you only have bad credit? Sheesh. Gimme a Best Buy card, then.
Top Five reasons you should delete this message, nay, delete this digest:
5. No DT content
4. Excessive quoting
3. No mention of institutional sexism as represented by this
digest/newsletter, published by famous pornographer "The Man" aka Skadz H.
Christ
2. No mention of the Great Religious Bumper Sticker Debate
1. No gratuitous reformatting of the infamous "FLATTEN YOU LIKE A PANCAKE,
BOYEEE" quote from the Bahr Wars
NP: Veni Domine - Material Sanctuary
Kevin Madden
Extraneous Bafu quote: i before e except after c
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:04:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: JP lessons online.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990128110235.13510A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Fellow JP-ofiles,
I went to GW online, and for some blasted reason, I can't seem to
access his arcived lessons. Would anyone be able to give me a more
specific URL template to go to? I mean like givving me whatever the
general format is and telling me to fill in the lesson date or whatever in
a certain field? I'd love you forever... And every second seems like
forever to me. Be well.
Matt B
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"If your social circle is you, you're a cactus." (Ron Thal)
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:21:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: Petrucci, personalities
Message-ID: <19990128192113.13035.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com>
Bafu wrote various things about DT members personalities:
> You might be referring to what I said, about Petrucci being his usual
> "tolerating" self after the show.
> If I called Mike Portnoy "an antisocial recluse" people would
> probably wonder what I was smoking.
> If anyone agrees with me that Petrucci seems to
> tolerate more than appreciate,
> You might all hate me for thinking this, but Petrucci is, in my
opinion, more
> impersonable than John Myung.
Well, personality types is an interesting subject. I don't know if
anyone out there is familiar with the Myers/Briggs Personality Type
indicator, but it does have an interesting breakdown between
introverts and extroverts.
]From what you and others have described, it is obvious that Petrucci
and Myung are "introverts" and that Portnoy is an "extrovert". These
categories are not meant to be good or bad, they're just a description
of someone's personality.
Introverts - They can be outgoing AT TIMES. Many people who are
introverts refuse to be labeled this because there is some negative
connotation. But this is just the definition used by the MBPTI. This
doesn't mean that they live in cave. In general, it means that they're
outgoing when THEY are in the mood to communicate with others,
especially strangers. In general, dealing with others, especially
strangers, is work; it's draining to them. When an introvert is in a
position for some reason where lot's of people WANT to communicate
with them, they can come off as aloof, arrogant, hostile, or uncaring.
Most introverts are lucky enough that they don't have people "after"
them.
Extroverts - Are almost always outgoing. They thrive on communicating
with people, even strangers. They get energized by it. It's not work
to them, it's fun.
It helps to keep this in mind if you ever deal with anyone who is a
"celebrity" for any reason. Or it can help you to deal with any
introverts, even if you just work with them. Remember, if someone
walks past you and doesn't say anything, it may just mean they're an
introvert. It doesn't mean they're hostile or don't like you...
my $.02, BH
P.S. With all the talk about Derek being "on" and "off", it's a
distinct possibility that he is also an introvert, despite his
flamboyance.
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:50:32 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Were YOU at LTE | Kuprij | beauty and the beast
Message-ID: <f4adedb0.36b0bf88@aol.com>
>< If you were at this show, please e-mail me at uroborosss@aol.com and tell
me. It seems there were close to twenty people (maybe more) at TLA from this
mailing list, and I was only aware of about eight or nine. That stinks. If
security would stop tossing people out right after the encore songs, people
from mailing lists could probably meet up in front of the stage and say "Hey!
I know you! You're that guy! That guy with the long .sig file at the end of
your posts! Etc.! Etc.!" Alas, at TLA the ushers were pretty barbaric and loud
about everyone hanging around like fans of the band or music-lovers or
something. Then once we were all outside the police came by, and were pretty
barbaric and loud about non-police standing on the sidewalk, which I guess is
a crime in Philadelphia. It turns out that the lone man outside TLA who
challenged the police with a powerful dose of Anti-Police Magic (also called
"logic" outside Philadelphia) is on this list. ><
Yeah i was there. i saw that guy threatened but i did have to go, so i didn't
get to see what happened. but the police in philly are anal. they worry about
riots starting. cuz only the PPD are allowed to beat homeless people and loot
stores.
>< Vitalij Kuprij - High Definition: If looking for some EXCELLENT
instrumental, look no further than Vitalij Kuprij's work. The guy is
incredible. The music is 100% pure keyboard/guitar orgasm (lots of solos and
then some), not to mention that the songs are good too as long as you happen
to like prog (now where did I get that idea?) Every keyboardist who doesn't
have his cds has missed a LOT. This is the guy we'll surely hear a lot about
in the future. Available at least from CDNow and Shrapnel ('High Definition'
also from Kane in Finland). If this caught your attention, you might be
interested in Greg Howe's "Ascend" (www.greghowe.com), axecellent guitar work
w/ Kuprij on keys. As far as I know, the CD is only available through the
website (unfortunately).
P.S. Does anyone happen to know any other solo albums by keyboardists with a
playing style of LTE/Yngwie Malmsteen/Stratovarius etc. and, dare I say...
VITALIJ KUPRIJ!? I'm not looking for any jazzy or other sideproject kind of
things but something with fast solowork and maybe a crazy axeman as a
sidekick. ><
I found High Definition in a mostly mainstream record store. I was hella
shocked. it is a good album. its an album that i dont listen to a lot, but
when i do, its something. maybe you know, maybe you dont, but he has a second
album out called Extreme Measures. i dont have it but i'm sure its good
>< at the end of freedom of speech there's someone singing "the beaty and
the
beast", right? is this mike p. and if not, then who is it? ><
yeah, thats mike
Jim
[insert sig file here]...no
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:24:46 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Live album inquiry
Message-ID: <199901282024.MAA19699@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Ryan P Skadberg thus begged:
>
>AyameYuki@aol.com writes:
> > i was listening to TTT on the live album...what song are the guys
> > jumping into around...hmm...5...no. about 9 1/2 minutes into the song
>
> FreeeeeeeeeeBird! Play some Skynyrd Man!!! :)
>
>Skadz
Damn one liners...
:P
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:46:53 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Bafu, NoVA, etc.... Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5EC1785A@AMSC_NTAS>
Bafu Orated (ouch!):
> King's X is coming up at Jaxx and Daytona's here in the > central East Coast > region. If you're going to be there, let me know so I can > say, "Hey! I know > you! You're that guy who told us all to fuck off! Fuck off > and die because > mailing lists are stupid! You got ten seconds to get outta > here before me and > Mike Ostrich flatten you like a fucking pancake, BOYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!"
Well, Bafu, we're actually not playing on the Jaxx show - for once - so you can actually show up to see the opening bands... :)
Of course, all of you NoVA and DC/MD types could support a fellow 'jammer and show up for our headlining show at Jaxx on the 26th. That's the night BEFORE we go to Philly to play with Iced Earth, Jag Panzer, and The Quiet Room. :)
I'm not happy to be playing that show, am I? :)
Bafu, of course, will only show up AFTER we play...
Skadz replied:
> Jan Opsal wrote: > > Why are the YtseJammers thanked in the liners of Acos? > > Basically after hearing ACOS on DoE, the Ytsejam started a petition > to the record company to get it recorded and out there as an > official release. Hence, we now have the ACOS EP :) >
Proof that Skadz is a good list manager - the standard reply is: RTFF, M!
Of course, in it's current state...
> hi, i'm the new guy! > i thought i might as well join in on the pun and let you all > see my top = > 10 + 1
"Top Ten" _and_ MIME. I hope you have a fireproof suit.
Since I've stayed out of it until now, I'll throw in on the Derek / Jordan debate:
I was never much of a Derek fan - nothing personal, just don't like his style. I am a Rudess fan, and he WAS the guy they originally wanted. Much as people mike hate to admit it, it's really MP, JP, and JM's band, and they have to make what they think are the best moves possible. That doesn't mean WE have to like it, just that they do.
Of course, I happen to like this one... :)
Mike Division
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:50:55 -0500 (EST) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: A Message from Derek Sherinian (fwd) Message-ID: <199901282050.PAA1136113@gl.umbc.edu>
I thought I would forward this in case anyone is interested. If it is redundant, I apologize.
Steve Z
Forwarded message: > Derek Sherinian's Email List - http://dereksherinian.com > > January 27, 1999 > > Dear Friends, > > I want to thank all of you for the overwhelming amount of fan mail that I > have received in the last week.... WOW!! THANK YOU!!! > > My experience playing with Dream Theater has been incredible! I am very > proud of my musical growth and contributions to the band in the last four > years. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings towards John, > Mike, James, and John. Jordan Rudess is a friend of mine and a great > talent. I wish all of them the very best! > > My solo instrumental album, "PLANET X", will be released by summer on > Magna Carta Records. It features Tony Franklin on bass, Virgil Donati on > drums, and Brett Garsed on guitar. This album has the fire. > > I will also continue to write, tour and record with Alice Cooper and > Platypus. > > Thanks again for all the memories, and hope to see you on PLANET X!! > > Peace, > Derek > > Please stay tuned at Derek Sherinian International > > "Show business is my life!!!!"
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:06:23 +0200 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: better? Message-ID: <001101bdeb1b$7c52fde0$aec58e81@finn2>
hi, it's me again... first of all, I'm really, really, really sorry about my last post, but how were I to know? (apart from reading just about ANY prev. post...)
second of all: I'm on the lookout for Danish ytsejammers, and this seemed the best place to look. Please mail me!
BTW i'm sure you'll let me know if this post conflicts with your rules :)
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:08:37 -0000 From: "Ambassador Nelaskon" <cyaron@mailcity.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: <PDKINOLAPONCAAAA@mailcity.com>
"POJ" begged the sewer rats to forgive his father and stop smearing cheese whiz in his hair:
>>>I (am) in desperate need of some new music to listen to and would like a few opinions on Fates Warning, since they seem to be a "cousin" of DT. Just so you know, I'm not totally virgin to Fates. I have _Inside Out_ and IN MY OPINION thought it spewed ass-vapor all over my speakers. Any recommendations as to any *HEAVIER* stuff that they have put out?????<<<
Well, now. The Ambassador steps up to the plate.
I don't like Arch-era as much as Alder-era, but if you want heavy, "No Exit" will do the trick. "Perfect Symmetry" is also really good. Not quite as heavy, but proggier. And Zonder was in the band then.
If you don't likr "Inside Out", you probably won't like "Parallels" either. More mainstream (but even Fates themselves don't really like Inside Out). But give it SOME credit, Monument rocks (tho I could survive without the spanish guitar stuff).
The most popular is "A Pleasant Shade Of Gray". You're bound to hear that one mentioned a LOT here. It is a 55-minute song, divided into 12 parts. To me, it IS the essence of prog-metal, but not so prog it's underground. IMO this is better than anything even the Almighty Dream Theater has ever done. (My fave DT is ACOS). Totally awesome.
But the FIRST thing I think you should get is "Still Life". Disc 1 is APSOG done live in entirety, and it's BETTER than the studio version!!! Could be my favorite progmetal CD ever. Added sound effects and everything. The second CD has stuff spanning more of their career. When you get it (just supposing you do), e-mail the jam and I'll tell you what's from what if you need to know.
There is also a compillation called "Chasing Time" which covers everything up to 1995 (Monument is the only track from IO). So there you go. But you absolutely HAVE to hear APSOG.
Nelaskon ECA
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:35:00 -0600 (CST) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: di meola Message-ID: <1999128161748541@ix.netcom.com>
<<get casino.. on casino "golden dawn suite".. with jaco doing a guess spot.. this one for sure makes paradigm shift look like a Kenny G. ballad :) ..
Inferno>>
I have Casino and the closest thing th a suite on here is the Fantasia Suite for Two Guitars, which is crazy in its own right, but obviously doesnt guest Jaco on bass (since there is no bass) and he's not on any other song on the album. Perhaps you're confusing it with some other album, but I have Splendido Hotel as well as Elegant Gypsy and "Golden Dawn Suite" isnt on either of those either.
on another note, Egyptian Danza is on Casino (the song LTE were planning to do if they had ran out of originals). I would LOVE to hear LTE do a version of this because it really does sound like somehting they would do. This also happens to be one of the only Fusion type songs that Ive seen a guitar mag transcribe (an old issue of Guitar for the Practicing Musician had it).
Matt
===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica =====================================================
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:48:02 EST From: AyameYuki@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: thanks skadz Message-ID: <51690d92.36b0db12@aol.com>
hey skadz,
thanks. freebird..hmm..nice song. but i *hate* to admit it, but my band plays sweet home alabama pretty well ( and uh..we're um...from alabama. ::sheepish look:: ) and we thought about freebird, but i dunno. we just had this horrendously long audition just yesterday looking for some way to save the band ( the balance was way off ) by our semester terms. but everything was fine, we booted out 4 guys ( regretfully, although we had 10 members ( original ) , but we got a new member and three of them are on probation cuz they broke rules and couldnt manage time wise. so all in all, we're coping.
one frazzed jammer,
nic
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:01:24 EST From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: I'm not Max Verran. Message-ID: <bcbe6208.36b0de34@aol.com>
I just wanted everyone to know that I am a totally different Max than Max Verran. I don't know who he is, but he even signs his name like I would (had I chosen to go by Max, that is). I sign my name [eriC], but that's because my name is Eric (gee, that's simple enough). If you AOLers want to check, my real screen name is EricPMetze. Hope this removes any thoughts of me being maX. I don't want people to flame me for something I didn't do. Buh bye!
[eriC] THE DRE/\M THE/\TER http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/home.html
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:17:05 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Shame on the "Bitchy Jam" Message-ID: <01BE4B14.552575A0@141.153.dialin.mxs.nl>
Jim Suplizio wrote :
> After about 10 jams full of 90% flames I decided I'd post > about a few issues > > 2) Female jammers getting itchy
One at a time please! Ok, maybe two... ;-)
Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
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