YTSEJAM Digest 4634
Today's Topics:
1) Re: A Message from Derek Sherinian (fwd)
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4633
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
3) Attention keyboardists!!!! (JRC)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) Re: Fire, Ice, Sherinian, Petrucci, LaBrie, Portnoy
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
5) Re: Petitioning the font
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
6) Review: MP Clinic 1/28/99 - Portland,OR
by "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com>
7) re: Derek's keyboards
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
8) re: Solo Albums
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
9) Concerning solo album arguments
by "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net>
10) time sigs...
by "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
11) Re: Petitioning the font
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: Font petition
by psull@ici.net
13) Take Away My Pain
by "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
14) Re: A Message from Derek Sherinian (fwd)
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
15) Re: Change the font petition - Sign it!!!
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
16) Re: Font petition
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
17) re: Petrucci's attitude
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:48:12 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: A Message from Derek Sherinian (fwd)
Message-ID: <007201be4ba7$38b721a0$0201010a@chuck>
>COMPLETLY solo album are Steve Winwood (who did 2 albums like that) and
>Bob Mould (who did his post-Sugar album like that).
*points at Subtlerage (Andrew)*
This is the first one that came to my mind. And Steve Vai does whole songs
on his own on occasion... Drums n' all...
>diggin' the lint out of your navel, and finding an M&M,
You lucky bastage.
-- KorgX3 only finds used syringes and lung tissue in his. NP: Echolyn: As the World------------------------------
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:34:13 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4633 Message-ID: <v01540b00b2d75b8c8f5e@[128.197.7.241]>
>> The only examples i can think of right now are when some of the guys from GnR >> made solo records (slash ,duff and izzy?) they all had other musicians.. i > > I think they mean "solo album" in a more creative sence rather >than a performance sence. With "solo albums" the person who's project it >is has total artistic control of it (for it's *their* album!) and that's >more or less what Derek means by it. > > The only people I can think of (off-hand) who have recorded a >COMPLETLY solo album are Steve Winwood (who did 2 albums like that) and >Bob Mould (who did his post-Sugar album like that). > > - mike. Supposedly, Prince has done it (when he was called Prince).
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:42:10 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Attention keyboardists!!!! (JRC) Message-ID: <36B1F2F2.665C@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Just got the following, in case you're interested:
> Subject: Jordan's Keyboard Instructional Video No Available > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:36:16 -0500 > From: info@mediusvision.com (Info (Medius)) > Organization: MVNI > To: jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov > > > Hi Everybody: > > The ultimate in keyboard instructional video is here! KEYBOARD WIZARDRY > by JORDAN RUDESS reveals useful hints and unique exercises to get you > over the edge to become a versatile keyboard player. One of the most > respected keyboardists in the industry, Jordan Rudess demonstrates his > keyboard mastery on this full-length video. Topics covered include lead > improvisation, rhythmic exercises, harmony and voice-leading exercises, > finger exercises, synth-programming, bass-line construction, and more. > Music from Jordan's current projects will be featured as well. > > Many of the exercises from the video will be posted on the website, to > help you digest each exercise at your own pace. This unique "Online > Conservatory" concept will help you make the most of what's on the > video, and it's FREE for those purchasing the video on the web. > > For FREE RealVideo samples and ordering information, go to: > > http://www.mediusvision.com/video > > Credit-card orders will be accepted from domestic US and overseas fans. > > For those of you who took our online survey last year, be sure to submit > your discount code with your order to receive a 10% discount. > > Thanks - > > Jordan and the Medius Video Production Team
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Fire, Ice, Sherinian, Petrucci, LaBrie, Portnoy Message-ID: <19990129172523.18656.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> wrote:
> Personally I'm just glad to get the chance to meet them at all. Petrucci > can do whatever the fuck he pleases as long as he keeps writing and playing > that great music, as far as I'm concerned -- I don't have to like a band > member as a person in order to love the music he/she puts out.
I understand what you're saying here is accurate in very general terms; that we all want to hear the music, and who cares what the person is like.
But I'd also add that no one on this list (with the exception of Mike P. and maybe 1 or 2 others) really know any of the members of DT well enough to know whether you "like" them or not. These "interactions" people have with band members at the shows are VERY superficial. All you could really say about Petrucci is that he is uncomfortable with these "abnormal" meetings that occur with fans.
Would you marry someone after a 1 minute, 10 word conversation? Of course not, you wouldn't know anything about them. (But you'd probably risk it if she were Pamela Anderson.) ;o)
When I was talking about "introverts" and "extroverts", you gotta remember that about 50 percent of the general population is in each of these categories. There's a higher percentage of introverts if you're talking about artists or engineers. As a "normal" introverted person, you don't meet a lot of new people, and even then, it's in a very normal or expected manner. (I.e. work, school, party.)
Anyone who is an introvert can try to imagine going to parties 5 nights a week, and at every party everyone there wants to come up to you, shake your hand, tell you how much they love you, take your picture, and have you write your name on something. If that isn't abnormal, I don't know what is...
Admit it, more than 50% of you out there would be running for the exit, just like Petrucci! :o)
my $.02, BH
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:50:06 -0600 From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Petitioning the font Message-ID: <000901be4baf$d08b4260$d6dc1a93@tugmutton-.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
I'm going to have to throw my wrench into the gears on this one. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I won't be) but none of you are in the band. None of you write the songs. None of you were hired to design the album covers. What say do you have in someone else's choice for the way they want to write the name of their own band? If they bring back the original, cool. If they keep the current one, cool. If they change it into something entirely new, cool. Dream Theater does so much for their fans as it is, especially recently with the generous-length video, the double CD live album, then the 3rd fan club bonus CD. They write all this kick ass music, write all the kick ass lyrics, tour all over the place, hang out with the fans instead of doing the 'rock star' cliche, keep up with the fan clubs and even talk to everyone on the 'net, and they should have to cater to your choice of a *font*? Whatever they decide to do it's their choice in the end. It's really great to see an incredible band that respects and listens to their fans. Try to acknowledge their own creative originality. I love their artwork as well but if a new album were to come out that had 'Dream Theater' in a block-letter font the height of the jewel case liner, I technically don't have any say in that. It's still the band.
>>> Yeah, the old gothic looking font was much MUCH better than that new >>> techy/cartoony lookin one. We should start a ytsepetition! > >>YES! One of the reasons I LOVE my DT albums is the artwork... including >>the font... Not that it will change anything, but... any volunteers to >>organize the petition??:-) > >I perfectly agree with you! Let's start the FONT C R U S A D E NOW ! >Let's bring back that fantastic DT font, and its past time flavour! :) :) >Jokes apart, I agree with the possibility of a petition. Count me in. >Bye Jammers > >Marco
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <mschnoor@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Review: MP Clinic 1/28/99 - Portland,OR Message-ID: <19990129175228.28244.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com>
Hey all.
Last night was a blast. After waiting in the rain at Portland Music for nearly half an hour, and realizing I was supposed to call ahead and get my name on a list (damnit), I was finally admitted to the store, where a crowd of nearly 80 music lovers was milling aimlessly and waiting for our hero to appear.
(Greetings to those I met at the clinic, including one guy who wore a Ytsejam T-shirt but whose name I forget now.)
I had heard Jonathan Mover's name before last night, but had NO idea whom he had worked with. This guy was awesome... great on the drums, with an excellent sense of rhythm and spacing between notes. Very much a feel-oriented drummer, but strong technically as well. I enjoyed hearing about his past experiences with Satriani and Alice Cooper, as well as how he got his start with Marillion in the UK.
Those of you who see the next clinic, be sure to bring $10 in CASH so you can buy Jonathan's "EINSTEIN" CD and enjoy some wonderful music. I was short on cash, but I will definitely buy it soon. He said CDNOW carried it as well.
<insert shameless plug for Jonathan's new Sabian cymbals here... wow!>
Then, after the obligatory free prizes from the store, Mike came out amidst cheering and much applause. Immediately he started into his drum routine, which borrowed parts of the YtseJam solo as well as many other elements. His lecture was short but typical of the clinics I've seen (on videotape)... using 4/4 as a "timeline" to help define odd time signatures, and very mathematical in his approach. I could see a good number of people, not necessarily DT fans, all nodding their heads in understanding. The guy should teach more, methinks.
LTE2's "Acid Rain" is a very promising song. Parts of it remind me of "Paradigm Shift", especially the rhythmic aspect. It's a very thick and haunting song, from the little keys I could hear in the mix.
All in all, it was a wonderful clinic. I'm glad Mike finally got the sense to do one of these here... we get so few prog or progmetal shows in Oregon, it't not even funny. This forces me to drive southward to see the good stuff! My poor car...
And yes, the rumors ARE true; I am driving to LA this weekend. I hope to see a bunch of you this Monday night at LTE. Keep an eye out, I'm about 6'1", big-bodied, light brown hair, and I have one thick eyebrow. I'm hard to miss. }:)
Thanks again Mike (and Jonathan, though he's probably not reading this) for stopping in Portland. You guys really made my night. Now if Mike would only try playing Myung's Chapman Stick live sometime... imagine the possibilities! We can't call it Nightmare Cinema, but perhaps Reverie Matinee? ;)
I'm nuts. Just so you all know.
== Matthew A. Schnoor (mschnoor@yahoo.com) aka "M-Bone" or "Gerb" (Ibanez/Carvin/SWR/Chapman/DR-Strings) "Ah yes, he's getting beat up by my kick drum now..." -- MP last night, answering a fan's cellular phone _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:53:32 -0700 From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: Derek's keyboards Message-ID: <199901291755.KAA03979@ganymede.aculink.net>
Josh, the stuff of the masking tape is probably a patch list. Mind you' that's just a guess.
-Geoffrey
"...we exist in a world where the fear of illusion is real..."
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:57:29 -0700 From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: Solo Albums Message-ID: <199901291758.KAA04364@ganymede.aculink.net>
Jon Anderson's first solo release ("Olias of Sunhillow") states "music written & performed by Jon Anderson, although there is a wee bit of slide guitar on it that sounds suspiciously like Steve Howe...
-Geoffrey
"...we exist in a world where the fear of illusion is real..."
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:58:38 -0600 From: "W. Tugmutton" <tugmutton@toast.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Concerning solo album arguments Message-ID: <000d01be4bb1$011c9ea0$d6dc1a93@tugmutton-.swt.edu>
Ahoy,
Some folks have been complaining that a 'solo' album means that you have to have one person and one person only on the album. Look in your damn CD collections. Does Joe Satriani feature only Joe Satriani? Steve Vai? Al Di Meola? Mike Stern? Need I go on and on and on? I think that this is just a thread spawning from the 'Derek is out of Dream Theater and only now do I have the balls to say that I never liked him' syndrome. I guess that this way, Joe Satriani would have to title his CD's : "Joe Satriani - Stu Hamm - Jeff Campitelli (sp?) - Assorted Backups". CONSIDER THIS: When you're listening to a song and the "guitar solo" comes up... how often does the rest of the band quit playing and let the guitarist just play alone?
- Mark tugmutton@toast.net
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:55:43 -0500 From: "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com> To: Under A Glass Ytse <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: time sigs... Message-ID: <BDBBCD37EA65D1119E9600A0C9982D75CDE3A7@PW03>
just sitting at work and listening to the mp3's from the show...
as i listen to 'Biaxident', it begins to make swiss cheese out of my brian at 2:25, and continues at about 4:00...
does anybody have any friggin' clue what time signature those parts are in? i just can't seem to wrap my brain around them...
mikE ____________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:06:16 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Petitioning the font Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990129130058.10620A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
I'm going to have to insert my say here. Nobody is demanding, forcing, or even begging anything here. We totally agree that the band is the band, and we don't have a say in anything here. They have ultimate creative choice here, and we don't refute that fact. However, we are merely saying that there's something that we liked about DT in the past that they don't have anymore... It's kinda like writing to McDonald's and asking them to bring back the Filet o' Fish (Ick, why they'd ever wanna do that... They shoulda brought back the McChicken Sandwich). Enough people write in requesting it, so they changed it. We're not making any kinds of demands on Dream Theater here, we're merely telling them something that we like about them.
And, hey, it's not like any of us is gonna STOP buying their music because they didn't change a fucking FONT. If they printed nothing but black CD covers with no graphics and a little title on it in 14-point Chicago (the bane of the text world), I'd STILL buy their music.
------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu http://oz.plymouth.edu/~a_couter/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------- "In the New Year, hold your right hand out always in friendship, but never in want." -- Irish toast -------------------------------------------
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, W. Tugmutton wrote: > I'm going to have to throw my wrench into the gears on this > one. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I won't be) but none of you are in the > band. None of you write the songs. None of you were hired to design the > album covers. What say do you have in someone else's choice for the way > they want to write the name of their own band? If they bring back the > original, cool. If they keep the current one, cool. If they change it > into something entirely new, cool. Dream Theater does so much for their > fans as it is, especially recently with the generous-length video, the > double CD live album, then the 3rd fan club bonus CD. They write all > this kick ass music, write all the kick ass lyrics, tour all over the > place, hang out with the fans instead of doing the 'rock star' cliche, > keep up with the fan clubs and even talk to everyone on the 'net, and > they should have to cater to your choice of a *font*? Whatever they > decide to do it's their choice in the end. It's really great to see an > incredible band that respects and listens to their fans. Try to > acknowledge their own creative originality. I love their artwork as well > but if a new album were to come out that had 'Dream Theater' in a > block-letter font the height of the jewel case liner, I technically > don't have any say in that. It's still the band.
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:37:08 -0500 From: psull@ici.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Font petition Message-ID: <199901291753.MAA00779@bajor.ici.net>
> I started some talk about the font a while back... > > I will keep a petition...
Which I, personally, will *not* sign.
Not because I like the "new" font better (I don't), or because the old one looks to 80's (it doesn't), but because I don't think it warrants a petition.
It's at times like this that I'm almost sorry that the ACOS petition was successful. We wouldn't have gotten a great EP, but we also wouldn't have to deal with a new petition every few months - and about the silliest things, too.
Look, folks - the ability to unite a group this large to a unified goal, and to actually *acheive* that goal, is a powerful thing. We succeeded in getting ACOS recorded. We (arguably) helped get DT into the studio to get FII recorded. Those are (fairly) respectable successes. We should not let that go to our heads. Eventually, the powers-that-be are going to get tired of our petitioning/bitching and stop listening.
There are still battles worth fighting in this arena, using this method. Changing the band's title logo font just ain't one of them.
___Pat Sullivan_______________ Email: psull@ici.net ICQ: 23499229 WWW: http://www.just-like.nu
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:18:14 -0600 From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Take Away My Pain Message-ID: <B0000014297@utstbsntogd1.USDBOGDEN>
> On another note: As i was listening to OIALT, i was thinking about how > "Take Away My Pain" would have sounded more powerful without the keys. > Maybe even without the drums, too (sorry MP -- but maybe you could use > the break ;-). i think, especially live, that could have been a real > moving rendition of the song with just the acoustic guitar and sax. Just > an idea, anybody else think so? (just a critique/observation -- not > intended to start an argument)
Take Away My Pain is one of my all time fave DT songs. There is just so much raw emotion and DT talent in it. I personally like both the FII version and OIALT versions equally, as well as the demo. The thing I really like about the demo is in the last verse with just James singing and the soft keys in the background. I think this lets the true emotion of the song shine through. I would love to hear an accoustic guitar/vocal version though.
On another note ( pun intended) what model Kurzweil does Jordan use?
Jason
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:17:24 -0700 From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: A Message from Derek Sherinian (fwd) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990129111723.006b8868@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 05:58 AM 1/29/99 -0800, "Computer Jim" wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
ooh, bad place to start, dude.
>> > My solo instrumental album, "PLANET X", will be released by summer >> on >> > Magna Carta Records. It features Tony Franklin on bass, Virgil >> Donati on > >OK.... whats weird about this? A *SOLO* album with other musicians... >interesting wording.
Yes, just like Satriani's SOLO albums that feature Stu Hamm and the bissionette brothers. Or the Friedman albums that feature Menza, becker, or Castronovo. You CAN have a solo album with other musicians on it. It most likely is Derek's own writings.
BTW, nice 4 page sig and mime encoding. We all appreciate it :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:35:09 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Change the font petition - Sign it!!! Message-ID: <36B1FF5D.1259@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> From: Paul Drapeau <paul@ageofvalor.com> > > I will keep a petition... :) > > Send me your name and email address to ytsefont@ageofvalor.com if you agree > to the following :)
Not a problem, Paul, with one small caveat:
You realize, that if the petition is successfull but the work involved in making the font thing all happen causes the band to scrap Metropolis 7 and other amazing prog tracks, that we will have no choice but to shoot you.
I look forward to regular updates from you on the progress of the petition...
:)
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:05:50 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Font petition Message-ID: <36B2068D.16DCFC01@pacbell.net>
psull@ici.net wrote: > > > I started some talk about the font a while back... > > > > I will keep a petition... > > Which I, personally, will *not* sign. > <snip> > > There are still battles worth fighting in this arena, using this > method. Changing the band's title logo font just ain't one of them.
Pat's response was almost word for word exactly what I was going to post. Thanks for saving me the trouble. ;o)
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net _______________________________ Ytsejam Radio on Real Audio http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Petrucci's attitude Message-ID: <19990129181116.16105.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
Josh Brand <jbrand@mtu.edu> wrote:
> As for JP being "withdrawn and introverted" (at least he's not > infectiously perverted ;)), having met him twice, I can't agree. Maybe > he was just tired or something when you talked to him, but he's been > agreeable to me. Signed my stuff, listed to me without rolling his eyes, > was pretty generally decent.
This is completely consistent with the Myers/Briggs definition of "introvert". When introverts are in the mood, and prepared to interact just like an extrovert, they do. "Decent" does not come into play! Either extroverts or introverts can be asses, it's an entirely different attribute.
Obviously, I've been involved in testing people using this Meyers/Briggs thing. Half of the people in the world are introverts by this definition, but after testing, a lot of people will argue that they're not an "introvert"! Obviously the word "introvert" has several meanings, but the MBTI has a very specific definition.
If you looked at the "popular" definition, it has negative connotations, and no one wants to be in that category. People think of a homeless person hiding in a corner that doesn't speak. What good is that definition? We already have other words that cover that condition, like "mute" or "hermit".
Anyone who might be interested, this is the most popular book on the subject:
Please Understand Me : Character and Temperament Types by Marilyn Bates, David W. Keirsey
You can probably also find the original book on the testing and categorizations by Meyers and Briggs in the library. I believe it's an extension of Jungian theory.
In real life, these MB Type Indicators are used most often in business management, but can be applied to any human interactions.
Ok, enough of boring you all with this NDTC...
My $.04, BH
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