YTSEJAM Digest 4638
Today's Topics:
1) The Sound of Shattering Glass in Snob's Outhouse
by MusicSnob@aol.com
2) Re: LTE in NYC on CD-R
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
3) cdworld
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
4) Re: LTE in NYC on CD-R
by Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
5) roman arena
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
6) BiaXident
by "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no>
7) DC Cooper
by Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au>
8) LTE Boots - mp3s, etc...
by Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net>
9) Neil, Nickole, and Matt B's Morse adventure.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
10) Re: LTE in NYC on CD-R
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
11) Faith No More
by Totikus <totikus@gmx.net>
12) solo albums and John Myung
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
13) The DT boxset dream / Jordan solo stuff ...
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
14) re: invoking the reply etc. etc. etc
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
15) ADMIN: List stuff
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
16) Re: CD Reviews - Brief
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com>
17) Old Font/New One(s)
by Jonathan Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:45:02 EST
From: MusicSnob@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: The Sound of Shattering Glass in Snob's Outhouse
Message-ID: <262b36c0.36b3370e@aol.com>
Ok, I have been informed that it's Nikola Tesla, not Nicola Tesla. What are
letters, anyway? In some languages "c" and "k" are the same ;-)
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:04:59 -0600
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: LTE in NYC on CD-R
Message-ID: <36B33BBB.342DB36C@uiuc.edu>
I'd be interested in trading for a copy of your LTE show. let me know if
you find anything of interest.
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
later.
Xanadu Records wrote:
> > Subject: Recording of LTE Show in NYC!!
> >
> > Hey everyone...
> >
> > Just wanted to announce to the list that I got my hands on a very
> > good quality recording of LTE's concert in NYC at the Bowery Ballroom.
> > (though not digital or directly from the sound board)
> > I'm willing to distribute it, BUT I have nowhere near the equipment
> > needed to mass produce CDs.. So, I'm just warning that there will be a
> > waiting list, and it may very well be a big one.
> >
> > Mike Handverger
>
> If anyone is interested, I DO have a digital copy, and I DO have the
> ability to "mass produce", so if you find yourself on that waiting list,
> let me know.
>
> John DiBella
> President/Xanadu Records
> http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html
> http://xanadu.webjump.com
>
> * I find it VERY difficult to worship a man who was killed
> by a toilet bowl... *
>
> John DiBella referring to Elvis in a conversation with his
> mom regarding whos generation of Rock Stars was
> more worthy of praise
--Edward Polzin Live and Rare Recordings http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:12:08 -0600 From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: cdworld Message-ID: <36B33D68.212A2331@uiuc.edu>
Has anyone dealt with cdword? I ordered 2 cds from them over a week ago and my order status still says "waiting for product." That's only supposed to last 2 to 7 days while they "gather the items together for shipment." I've emailed them and gotten no response. just wondering.
--
Edward Polzin Live and Rare Recordings http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:39:09 -0600 From: Edward Polzin <polzin@uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: LTE in NYC on CD-R Message-ID: <36B343BC.BF605D26@uiuc.edu>
damn netscape mail. sorry about posting this to the jam.
Edward Polzin wrote:
> I'd be interested in trading for a copy of your LTE show. let me know if > you find anything of interest. > > http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ > > later. >
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:10:34 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: roman arena Message-ID: <36B34B1A.30EC3C2B@bigfoot.com>
>I was wondering if the Roman Theater depecited on the cover of OiaL >is painted on or was added with the use of a computer
I also wondered that. Here's the thing: what would be the point of painting on the guys' head? that's just not practical. The process of doing so would not be self-evident, as it is w/the back photos, so there's no reason not to find an easier way. I suppose it's possible, but personally i find it highly unlikely.
>I know that (at least) the majority of Storm's artwork is >photo images alone with very few computer touch ups.
Yeah, and there's always lots of nature and sky as your bg, and it's always something surreal, like beds on a beach. And I gotta tell ya, it's beginning to get to me. I didn't really love the division bell cover, and I flat out disliked the FII cover. Which, I think, did have computer work done on it.
The funny thing is, the ACOS cover is my all time DT favorite...and it's NOT a storm, but it looks like one, only better. I just looked inside, and it's Mike's concept. So now I'm wondering, Mike, where you integral in getting storm?? Did he see ACOS and give you a call, or something?
What a great concept it is, too. Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, never jam today(except for ytsejam. huh huh).
-- Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!"
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:13:30 +0100 From: "Jan Opsal" <janopsal@online.no> To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: BiaXident Message-ID: <000201be4c86$f37df740$7ce64382@default>
This is a really cool song, but the real cool thing is that it reminds me of someone on this list's nicname.... "Xident"...
Jonas Opsal ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my Dream Theater page: Xident's Playground at http://www.a-vip.com/xident NP: LTE - Biaxident.mp3
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 07:06:33 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <ytsejam@ozemail.com.au> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DC Cooper Message-ID: <36B36648.3A1FD656@ozemail.com.au>
I got the DC Cooper cd from www.aorheaven.com AFAIK, it's only released in Japan.
gaz
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:29:14 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE Boots - mp3s, etc... Message-ID: <4.1.19990130151609.00aa14b0@mail.lig.bellsouth.net>
The biggest punkass I've ever had the displeasure of listening to said: :-)
>I too sent mike p. a copy of my LTE show, and cleared it with him if I could >put mp3s up on the internet, which he graciously allowed me. What I do have >a problem with however, is the fact that you're SELLING, not even attempting >to trade, these CDs for $25!!!! If you're not making a profit on >that...then the prices of CDRs are really high in your area.
Actually, I believe he did say "$25 or trade." Now, the only people that would actually spend $25 on a bootleg are 100% Grade A Choice Fucking Morons (almost as bad as the Grade A Fucking Assholes that would actually sell a boot for $25 or more) but this guy did say "trade" as well, so I couldn't really muster up enough ammo to blast him about it. :) The only thing wrong with this is if he wanted to get $25 WORTH of trading material for it (ie, you send 2CDs or more for each one of his LTE CDs), but I really doubt anyone would do that.
What Bogie is doing with LITS will hopefully be a major part of live material distribution in the future. MP3s (or whatever new compression formats arise) provide the perfect trading medium. Other bands (ie, those that allow taping) are WAY ahead of us in this area, but LITS is a start for us. It takes the power away from the Boot-Scalpers (and you pittiful hacks know who you are) and gives it back to the fans, which is the way it should be. In the near future (couple of months) I'll have the resources to get new boots from Boot Scalpers and put them, in their entirety, on the net in mp3 format. I want to do this pretty much as soon as they come out. My goal here is to spead the material and, very honestly, cut as much into the profits of Boot Scalpers as I possibly can. There's a whole boatload of people that agree with me and would like to help, so hopefully this idea comes about.
Hope everyone's doing well... Take care all...
__________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) alpine(-at-)bellsouth.net ICQ: 9382967 http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~alpine ^^ Above URL for MP3 of the Week and Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Neil, Nickole, and Matt B's Morse adventure. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990130123436.5568B-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Hey hey, I just wanted to mention that the three of us had the pleasure of watching Albert Lee play before Steve and I was pleasantly surprised. Though older, crewless, and forced to carry his own equipment to and from the stage, Albert Lee was a gracious performer with old-school chops that could awe many a shredder. We didn't get to meet him, but it was awesome to see someone who's been around so long still doing what he loved to do. Also, though silly Neil thanks me for giving him notification regarding the show, he and Nickole should be the one who truly deserve thanks. For anyone who knows California geography, they drove down from Redwood City to Carmel to pick me up and then back to Santa Cruz, took me home after the show, and drove home to get ready for work the next day. I wouldn't have been able to see Morse otherwise. Three cheers for Calicrew spirit, an excellent shredding friend, and BLUEBERRY BAGELS!!!!!!! Be well. Matt B
============================================================================ ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Guitarist in the Santa Cruz/Monterey area of California seeks innovative, experimental, technical, and fun-loving musicians to create works of art and share them with the public. Enquire if interested. mattb@mbay.net ================================================================================= "With Man gone, will there be hope for Gorilla?... With Gorilla gone, will there be hope for Man?" (Daniel Quin) "If your social circle is you, you're a cactus." (Ron Thal)
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:52:19 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: LTE in NYC on CD-R Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9901301948550.16827-100000@jaca>
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Edward Polzin wrote:
> damn netscape mail. sorry about posting this to the jam. [Private e-mail deleted]
Ah, isn't it always easy to blame the computer? :-)
Anyways, I'm back to the list after three kind people (Jon Parmet, Skadz, Cassiano) sending me e-mails telling that the "tide of immaturity" has gone away. Let's hope that the list will manage to keep the high level for a long time.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:26:59 +0100 From: Totikus <totikus@gmx.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Faith No More Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19990130232659.227f5372@pop.gmx.net>
Hi, I was wondering if someone could give me recommendations on which Faith No More album to buy next -- I have The Real Thing and Introduce Yourself. I like the former very much (especially the title track and "Zombie Eaters") and I guess the latter too, though not as much. Thanks in advance. Totikus
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:09:27 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: solo albums and John Myung Message-ID: <v01540b00b2d8f84af09d@[128.197.8.225]>
>inferno smoldered on the subject of true solo albums: >>jeff buckley - live at sine > >Is this a live album? Is this Buckley character one of those one-man bands >with the accordion and cymbal-smashing trained monkey? Is that the album that has Buckley's version of Genesis' "Back in NYC"? (He did do a version of it.) After thinking about this solo album thread, I couldn't believe that I had forgotten one of my most familiar examples of a musician playing everything on an album. Bruce Springsteen's _Nebraska_ includes Bruce Springsteen playing everything you hear on the recording. This includes creaking chair, as it was recorded in his bedroom (or somewhere else in his home). Actually, it only includes vocals, acoustic guitar, and harmonica (plus the chair), since the recording was originally a demo tape for a full-band rock album. (It's history is rather fascinating, though I'm sure most around here deemed it unworthy of consideration when they heard every note came from Springsteen.) Interestingly enough, the album was marketed as "the solo album from Bruce," even though all of his previous five albums were credited to "Bruce Springsteen" and no one else. As far as John Myung being a verbose, anti-"silent man": I think the issue is somewhat confused. His tendency to speak clearly, fluently, eleoquently, and voluminously at times may be overlooked, but anyone who says that he is still essentially quiet and "introverted" (whatever that means) has a point. I was about to add a personal analogy, but I don't know if it's appropriate in this forum. Let me just reiterate that it's possible to be generally quiet while verbose and eloquent at times. That doesn't mean that it is unwise to think of the individual as quiet in a general sense. All of the above may be trivial, so I tried to keep it short.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:07:14 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The DT boxset dream / Jordan solo stuff ... Message-ID: <36B37482.61C9D538@mol.com.mk>
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:50:11 -0800 (PST) > From: Mc-Merc <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> > > Onto DTC: I'm starting to wonder about all DT leftovers that have > been recorded and never put on a CD, y'know, the things that ended > up floating on the net as mp3's, and I think it would be very nice > if DT kept them away for a few more years, and when they've got > enough leftovers with Jordan, they could 'compile' them and > release them all at once, in a nicely designed 4CD boxed set,
That would be incredibly cool!!!! :)
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:37:09 -0400 > From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) > Subject: Rudess solo on LTE concert mp3 > > Hey, I just listened to the mp3 of Jordan Rudess' solo, and nobody > has mentioned that most of the solo is made up of a song from the > Rudess Morgenstein Project (I forget which one it is).
Oh yeah, somebody DID mention it!
> When I read some opinions that said their doubts about Jordan > disappeared when they heard the solo, I was expecting > something new. It's a great solo, but it's actually a > song off of RMP. That's it.
Actually I was thinking the same thing! OK, the RMP tune is great but IF it was supposed (got that - IF) to be a solo improvisation than why not imrpovising, foolin' around ... That could do better than listenign whole RMP song! Of course, this fact alone does not arises the question "Can Jordan improvise good way?" but who knows ... ;) Just kiddin', but really, I would like to hear Jordan improvisation and see how it is? Imrpivisation can tell VERY MUCH about the musician and his talents, skills, fave style ...
On the other hand, if it was planned that tune to be played in the part of key solo - OK! MAybe Jordan wanted to insert some RMP material and get some more sales?! :)
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:20:42 EST > From: Uroborosss@aol.com > Subject: Sherinian, Petrucci, LaBrie, Portnoy > > but if you think I "hate" Petrucci because I described him as > acting like himself, which in my opinion was no different than the > last three times I've met him, you obviously haven't talked to he > or I in person before. I was citing a pattern that few have > disagreed with because for the most part it matches their own > experiences.
It's kinda tricky issue this stuff!
Wanted or not, believe it or not, bands are always somehow praised by fans, they're being idolised! Typical normal fan, falling in love in a band's music and after a while he manages to see them line AND meet them behind stage! It's logical tha he would feel quite nervous and expecting a lot! In that moment if the musician ignores him in a worse way it leaves a scar in the fan! And it's a disgusting feling! Why? Because he had that "idol" image of him and then he got that slap in the face.
On the other hand if the fan isn't influenced in the "idol" way he might not receive i so bad but he will be kinda dissapointed.
And what's the artist side of point? He is human, as all of us, has his typical character (angel, asshole, shy, arrogant, cool..whatever) But he might feel pretty weird seeing those girls in the first rows tearing their throats apart, sweating, jumping, bumping in you to take as much photos as possible, being faced to 100 pens and CD liners to sign and some freak has just blinded you with his camera flash!
Heck, who knows how he feels in that moments. But IMHO 1 thing is sure: The artist should respect the fans, he should respect if someone was standing for 3 hours to get his signature! It doesn't costs him much.
As Bafu said (I guess that's what he was trying to), the artist should be glad to have those moments of signing, taking photos, chats etc. Because he receives "love" from the audience and in a way he is obliged to have respect toward them. If not, he is being arrogant! It's better if he finds it enjoyable to interact with the fans but if not, .. heck, hang on there for 15 minutes, after all thesde poepe are paying your salary - as one actor, the negative dude in "Specialist" - James sumthin' - put it) That's what I think. --
CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:53:06 -0700 From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: invoking the reply etc. etc. etc Message-ID: <199901302354.QAA14638@ganymede.aculink.net>
>inferno smoldered on the subject of true solo albums: >>jeff buckley - live at sine
>Is this a live album?
Uh, yup. One man, one guitar...one incredible voice.
>Is this Buckley character one of those one-man bands >with the accordion and cymbal-smashing trained monkey?
Uh, nope. He was one helluva brilliant singer-songwriter who went for a swim in the Mississippi, got caught in the undertow of a passing motor-boat, and drowned. R.I.P. Jeff.
-Geoffrey
"...we exist in a world where the fear of illusion is real..."
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ADMIN: List stuff Message-ID: <14003.48970.502821.22969@optical.mindstorm.com>
After working my way through alot of mail today, the subscriber list is finally cleansed of all thosse evil people who didn't unsub when their addresses changed. The list currently has 1272 subscribers on it.
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Skadz
-- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us skadz@dreamt.org | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:51:23 +0000 From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <ytsekirby@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: CD Reviews - Brief Message-ID: <36B370CA.7287382C@geocities.com>
Graham B. wrote:
> POWER OF OMENS - Eyes Of The Oracle > Totally awesome progressive metal, I have no idea where these guys > are from, but the is CD is brilliant, a la (old) Queensryche, Fates > and DT. The singer is a Geoff Tate clone, but a good one :) 9.5/10
I have to second Graham's recommendation of Power of Omens as a really incredible band. These guys are from San Antonio, TX (I'm pretty sure!) and are really on their way to being a first-class prog rock/metal band. I've met three of the five band members, and all were very nice. I wish I had their Web site handy, but I can't seem to find it. But I'm sure you can get their cd from CDNow or the like. Check them out -- you won't be disappointed!
-Nicole/Kirby ytsekirby@geocities.com URL: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 Kirby on irc.dreamt.org
P.S. See? No MIME from this account! <g>
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:53:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Old Font/New One(s) Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.02A.9901301850210.20313-100000@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
While I don't mind the new fonts that DT is using, I sure do like the old one...
Something reminds me of my highschool years whenever I look at the font on the I&W. There is something so timeless about it.
But I don't mind if they move on to other fonts. Just as long as they keep their symbol. The must NOT loose that :) Otherwise, I won't be able to threaten my girlfriend with gettig it tatooed on my left shoulderblade anymore.
I know this has come up many times, but how many of you have DT related tatoos, and do you regret getting them?
Jon
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