YTSEJAM Digest 4988
Today's Topics:
1) Free Minded--Hold Your Head High
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4987
by ExcelMike1@aol.com
3) Concept Album?
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
4) You wanna get off this list? Um...
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
5) Several posts:
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
6) Inspiration Corner
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
7) LTE 2
by Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu>
8) Met 2 on DT99?
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
9) Re: Secrecy of new album . . . come on Mike P. . . tell us why?
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
10) The Elusive Queensryche Tour Dates..(no DT content)
by crow <crow@ccpl.carr.org>
11) I didn't start the fire...
by "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
12) Re: Met 2 on DT99?
by "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu>
13) mike@alphalink's comments
by Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com>
14) Making fun of Christians, homosexuals, and others
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:01:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Free Minded--Hold Your Head High
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.990722092822.7985A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: In the land of Lords and Leeches.
Well, until you can figure out how to post coherent, useful arguments and
statements, I fail to see the point of responding to your post. I
don't see any reason to respond to an argmuent that you aren't really
making because you don't know how formulate it properly. Come back when
you learn some basic argumentative skills.
-jeremy
+================================================================+
Jeremy Hallum, Assistant System Manager & Grad Student,
Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:11:51 EDT
From: ExcelMike1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4987
Message-ID: <d37ce7a5.24c880a7@aol.com>
Please tell me how to get off this list
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:23:03 -0400
From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Concept Album?
Message-ID: <199907221023.AA137167146@pressroom.com>
>Thanks, everyone for responding. Umm...here's another
>question from the ignorant. I'm not sure if this was discussed
>already. Sorry if it was. I've been too busy to read the
>jam in detail--just picking and choosing. Anyway,
>is that a "concept" album? You've got "Tommy," "The
>Wall," "The Final Cut." Pretty concept-y stuff accompanying
>that Radiohead album.
I don't know about Radiohead, but those albums, along with RW 'Amused To Death' and Marillion's 'Misplaced Childhood' as the question 'Is this a concept album?' I guess we have to wait and see...
Jason
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:30:07 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You wanna get off this list? Um...
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990722102729.00a94840@po7.mit.edu>
At 07:22 AM 7/22/99 -0700, ExcelMike1@aol.com wrote:
>Please tell me how to get off this list
Giving each of us a night with Elizabeth Hurley or Catherine Zeta
Jones would probably do it for 80% of the subscribers to this list.
-Bogie
PS - Seriously though, consult the FAQ at http://www.dreamtheater.net/
or http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ There is a specific section just for the
Ytsejam Mailing List.
-------------------------------------------------------
Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
-------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:33:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Several posts:
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990722085428.17694A-100000@gs.bass.org>
TD wrote:
>now everyone's a fucking sheep.
When I first read this, I dyslexically transposed the "a" and "fucking".
Freud would have a field day.
Jens "keyboard wizard":
>You tell that fat, purple bastard I love his work!!
No, that's the teletubby. They're gay too, aren't they?
Apparently Inspiration Corner features Radiohead. I wouldn't say they
sound like the Floyd at all. Floyd is more blues based. Their sound is
more reminiscent of Porcupine Tree. And, no, OK Computer is not a concept
album. It's an album with a lot of different emotions, ranging from bitter
depression to raging bile to resigned suffering. :)
The MadTabber:
>almost seems like he forgot he wasn't supposed to reveal anything,
Perhaps Mike did that on purpose. I doubt he would have put it up on his
site if he had not intended to "accidentally" film it. Mike's sly humor.
Brother Eckie:
>public argumentation is much more fun. CAN I GET AN AMEN?!
Word! Once again Eckie hits the head on the nail.
Jon Parmet:
>But Moses picks up the rebound and SCORES!
Moses played basketball? Wow. I gotta read that bible thing more often.
>This place used to be more like a community, or family, where people
>actually took the time to notice someone's name.
I think most people still do realize that at the other end of these
messages sits another human with the same emotions one can possess. Let's
all take a moment to reflect on how we can all get along.
Moment's over. Back to arguments.
paul /who really wishes his fucking server at work would not block mike's
site so he could actually see inspiration corner. Fuck.
NP Beth Orton: Central Reservation [Yeah bang your head to this. Whoo.]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Tellin' you all the zomby troof/ Here I'm is, the zomby woof
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:37:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Inspiration Corner
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.9907221036440.100760-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>
Anyone else notice how many of the discs in inspiration corner were
concept albums? Hmm....
****************************************************************************
Album Currently Playing: Megadeth--Countdown to Extinction
****************************************************************************
| Matt Smith |
------------->|ktulu@arches.uga.edu|<-------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"It's always been in my head to create giant pieces of music."
-James Hetfield
****************************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:47:26 -0400
From: Everett Painter <evpainte@davidson.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LTE 2
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990722104726.00900210@phoenix.davidson.edu>
Hey folks....
Thought you might be interested in knowing I found some additional
"good press" for LTE2 at http://www.music.com
Short review but some good comments in there. Nice to see it mixed
in with general music. The review is at the bottom of the page...
or it can be found in the "alternative" section ;)
Later,
Everett
http://everettpainter.faithweb.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:54:40 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Met 2 on DT99?
Message-ID: <379730B0.731BD33D@home.com>
Brandon Vaughn said:
> It is really making me go crazy about all this secrecy about the new album.
> You have to wonder if the guys are either:
> 1) planning something big and want it to be a complete surprise
> 2) fear fan reaction (or petitions if Met. 2 isn't on there)
> 3) are upset with how Mike P dishes out info and boots all the time
Personally, I'd be ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED if Metropolis 2 isn't on the new
album. Seriously, I'd bet a few grand that it will be. And NO, I don't
have any kind of inside info...... just think about it though - why
wouldn't it be? It's already written (and RE-written with Rudess),
Petrucci has said it's the sickest song they've ever done (which is a
good thing to prog fans), and they know how bad their fans want it on
the album. What reasons would they have for NOT putting it on the
album?
--- Joe DeAngelo jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" --------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:59:25 -0400 From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Secrecy of new album . . . come on Mike P. . . tell us why? Message-ID: <1279467032-10226778@hutman.com>
> From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com> > > I doubt Mike will give us any hints as to the why of this secrecy . . . > because that would probably give something away. > > Nobody has ANY info on this album whatsoever (besides the release date)?
You guys are missing the most obvious clue that Mike already gave us. In the video, he says "Here's inspiration corner" and then aims the camera at a few CDs lying about: "Tommy", "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway", "Seargent Pepper", "Misplaced Childhood", "The Wall" and a few others. Hmmm....what do *all* these have in common?...
The new DT album will be a concept album. you'll see....
-steve
============================================== DREG Records - New & Improved Progressive Rock http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
Miscellaneous CD's for auction: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=dregrec ==============================================
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:25:31 -0400 From: crow <crow@ccpl.carr.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Elusive Queensryche Tour Dates..(no DT content) Message-ID: <379737EB.6D8F052B@ccpl.carr.org>
To anyone looking for the tenative list of dates for the Q2K tour here is the complete list that WAS posted on QR.com:
Q2K TOUR Current Tour Schedule
OCTOBER 1999 29th-- Las Vegas, NV @ The Joint 30th-- Las Vegas, NV @ The Joint
NOVEMBER 1999 2nd--Seattle, WA @ Paramount Theater 3rd--Seattle, WA or Spokane, WA @ Paramount - Opera House 4th--Portland, OR @ Schnitzer Auditorium 6th--San Jose, CA @ Events Center 7th--Los Angeles, CA @ Universal Amphitheater 9th--San Diego, CA @ Open Air Theater 10th--Phoenix, AZ @ Union Hall Celeb. Inn 12th--Salt Lake City, UT @ Kingsbury Hall - E Carter 13th--Denver, CO @ Fillmore 14th--Albuquerque, NM @ Klva Auditorium 16th--El Paso, TX @ Docllesliiae Center 18th--San Antonio, TX @ Majestic Theater 19th--Dallas, TX@Bronco Bowl 20th--Houston, TX @ Axtel Theater 23rd--Kansas City, MO @ Memorial Hall 24th--St. Louis, MO @ Americas Theater 26th--Detroit, MI @ State Theater 27th--Chicago, IL @ Aragon Theater 28th--Detroit or Milwaukee, WI @ State - Riverside 30th--Dayton, OH or Cincinnati @ Mem. Hall - Taft Theater
DECEMBER 1999 2nd--New York, NY @ Beacon Theater 3rd--New York, NY @ Beacon Theater 4th--Boston, MA @ Orpheum Theater 5th--New Haven, CT @ Oglisdale Theater
And a small sample of some of the comments on the QR mailing list after these dates were announced:
> > what the hell??? They've come to New Orleans with every one of their other > tours...why the hell are they skipping us now??? Damn, I'm pissed...
and
> I saw the tour date for Chicago.... I am skeptical about the arena that is > listed here. > > Beer comes in flimsy paper cups, so watch out! Pretty bad acoustics, and the > Aragon has earned its nickname -- the "Brawlroom" -- because, among other > things, of the folding chairs used for rock shows and their habit of leaving > their original locations.
and
> yeah, and they have the state theatre listed for detroit...... its a teeny > tiny venue...... theyve never played it here...... >
and
> Doesn't look like they are coming near me either. I used to make a 3-5 hour > drive to see them in Charlotte, NC or VA Beach. You are not the only one > pissed................ This is just not worth it anymore.
So it's not wonder they yanked the date down quickly.
I really wonder what is up in the QR camp these days. As with DT these days everyone in unexpectedly tight-lipped.
I guess well just have to wait and see. Actually I like surprises.
Chris crow@ccpl.carr.org
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:46:42 -0500 From: "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I didn't start the fire... Message-ID: <862567B6.00531295.00@domino.cdr.wisc.edu>
ravio says:
> > Bogie, come to think of it, that is not a good thing. I mean, let the > album come our way allegro vivace, but, on a sadder note, it means that > cold October is only three months away and there won't be that much more > of a summer to talk about. >
summer good, football season better. Football season + DT release BEST.
> From: "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com> > > Now... About these shits saying Jesus is gay. Just what the hell is your > point?! To prove how narrow-minded and vindictive you can be? Do you usually > dsplay this lack of tact and manners, or did they let you out wihtout adult > supervision this time? I've been on this list for about half a year, and I have > yet to see any "gay-bashing". But, there has been a lot of prejudiced feelings > against Christians. >
No point in wasting a rational argument on a christian.
Faith: n. 2b. firm belief in something for which there is no proof
They're by definition irrational and illogical. Might as well just make fun of them.
> ~Eckie could have taken this to private email but...nah...public > argumentation is much more fun. CAN I GET AN AMEN?! Amen, preach on brother! If there was anything on-topic to discuss...
> From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> > * Nothing in the world is logical unless your a Christian, and even then that > only explains a bit. > No one 'lives a life of truth' as I have heard anti-Christians claim to be > living.
Wonderful sweeping nonsense. And with such great logical foundation too! Makes sense to me, how bout you?
> * Its funny how nearly all anti-religion replies are basically stupid, > undeducated trash that think > they can argue a christian out of his faith. it is also interesting that none
See above. It's not supposed argue a christian out his religion, just to belittle him for his closed mind and lack of vision. It's fun, try it sometime.
> of these people seem > to have anything that gives them any credit- eg. i was once a christian but > then saw the error of > my ways, or something else. if you ever actually meet a christian and try and > argue against i think > your opinions may change substantially, because they basically have an answer > to everything.
If it makes you feel better I was raised Catholic. Then I had a sudden revelation that Christianity is a great big steaming pile of shit. I think it was all the science fiction books =). Once opened a mind doesn't like to close again.
> * Whilst I am no expert on homosexuality i think that it is a sort of > 'disorder' or whatever you > wish to call it. I mean it just doesn't work. However, that is no reason to > give homosexuals any > less rights as us. If thats the way they are, thats the way they are, and it > changes nothing about > them. I have h.s. friends, in the same way as i have deaf friends and a friend > without an arm.
So a differing sexual preference is a serious disability... would you then equate someone who masterbates to a blind person? Or maybe a hetero with a preference for oral or anal sex to cancer? Is a bi-sexual only mildly disabled, or is that more serious than being homosexual? Is a dog who humps a person's leg afflicted? I'm just trying to understand the underlying rules of this bigotry. Maybe I'll play to. 'Curse the dirty fornicators! And they use that immoral birth control too! Good thing we have AIDS to wipe this scourge from the earth. SEX IS A SIN!!!!! YOU WILL ALL BURN IN HELL!!!!'
And, um, how do you reach the astounding conclusion that it doesn't work... That assumes a specific purpose for it... (/me imagines Johnny Gayguy coming out of the bathroom holding a 5 minute pregnancy test, "Dammit Bob, I'm still not pregnant, this just isn't working"). I can't say as I have any first hand experience, but from what I understand gay sex works quite well at what it's intended for. But then christians still believe that reproduction is the only reason for having sex. Poor deluded bastards.
> * No i am not Christian.
Perhaps you're just confused then. Or have a few screws loose. You believe that nothing in the world is logical unless you're a christian, and yet you choose not to be a christian... At least most christians seem to be too oblivious to realize they're completely illogical, but you go ahead and choose it.
> * Dream Theater are cool. No they aren... oh, um, I agree with you.... they are in fact cool. Congratulations.
Biz
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:53:00 -0300 From: "TheCowGod" <demccor@clemson.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Met 2 on DT99? Message-ID: <008901bed451$e6a40160$54c55bd1@viper>
]From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> Subject: Met 2 on DT99?
>Personally, I'd be ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED if Metropolis 2 isn't on the new >album. Seriously, I'd bet a few grand that it will be. And NO, I don't >have any kind of inside info...... just think about it though - why >wouldn't it be? It's already written (and RE-written with Rudess), >Petrucci has said it's the sickest song they've ever done (which is a >good thing to prog fans), and they know how bad their fans want it on >the album. What reasons would they have for NOT putting it on the
and, mike said they're making the album they've always wanted to make. i think its safe to assume they've always wanted to put the song out, considering they wrote it and took the time to rewrite it when jordan came aboard. :) though i've heard people use that statement to suggest lots of things about the new cd, so we might be reading too much into it - it might be just the typical "this will be our best album ever" that necessarily comes from the band while they're recording it. i mean, of course the band thinks this will be their best album - it's what they've last written and feel is good enough to record. i would be quite surprised to hear from mike "yeah, this new cd isn't gonna be that great, you know, not nearly as good as images and words or anything, but not that bad." :) ok enough of me rambling. moo.
--
Dan feels deprived because he only recognized one CD in inspiration corner and he hasn't even heard that one.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mike@alphalink's comments Message-ID: <19990722155523.22005.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com>
Whether or not I'm a christian, I don't think it's fair to refer to a homosexual as someone suffering some sort of 'disorder'. It's a personal preference, and even if your religion is against it, it doesn't make it a disorder. Sheesh, how outdated is religion anyway? It should be kept up with modern times, that yes, people have different sexual preferences. I'm sure some of you christians have thought (or have had) threesomes, or have been unfaithful, or have had sex using contraceptives, or oral sex, or sex for the purpose of pleasure and NOT solely procreation, etc... and all of them are not really accepted by religion. Does that stop you? No. Does that make you any less of a christian/believer? No. You just keep up with modern times. It doesn't matter how closely you follow religion as it is 'supposed' to be followed. It only matters what you believe. And how you perceive your supreme being. Everything else is irrelevant.
I consider myself more of an atheist than anything else. I could think that christians have a disorder, and really, could be called delusional because of what they believe in. But I don't think that. I know what religion is, and it doesn't interest me. I prefer a scientific explanation rather than something that to me, doesn't make sense. Maybe someday I'll change. Maybe I won't. The fact is, I accept people's beliefs, and don't think they're suffering from anything because of it. They're simply different. And different is good. Because without different people, man, the world would suck.
Vince
_________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:07:27 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Making fun of Christians, homosexuals, and others Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990722115230.00b047a0@po7.mit.edu>
This letter is addressed to all those who feel the need to make sweeping generalizations about people who aren't like you:
Either:
A. Grow up.
or
B. Take your flames to alt.religion.christianity or alt.lifestyle.homosexual or wherever else these threads should be taking place.
For those of you who love to make fun of others on this list (people who have posted, "Hey, make fun of Christians, they are stupid. Or gay people are misled. Make fun of them."), it's those types of posts that create so much tension on this mailing list. I don't know about you, but nothing pisses me off more than some asshole who makes a sweeping generalization about something they know nothing about.
It's called courtesy folks. Treat others as you would like to be treated. No one likes to be made fun of, especially if you're ignorant towards who they are or where they come from.
So before you hit that "Send" button, before you are trying to be a wise-ass trying to get that last word in so you can win some meaningless e-mail battle on a discussion list, read over your post to see if you're offending someone. And if you're going to offend someone, look for some other way to make your point clear. Most of us have senses of humor, but there are some buttons you just shouldn't even try pressing.
Think on these things.
-Bogie
--------------------------------------------------- Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ ---------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 4988 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 19:07:25 EST