YTSEJAM Digest 4990
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I let you live...but I gave you life...what else could you do...to do
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
2) Re: Free Minded--Hold Your Head High
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
3) Re: elydian "T.D. Smith"
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4986
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
5) re: prejudice, etc
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
6) Re: Secrecy of new album . . . come on Mike P. . . tell us why?
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
7) Re: DT MP3
by Compadre32@aol.com
8) Re: A Drop of Golden Sun
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) Metropolis
by Yuval Regev <MCregev@yahoo.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4989
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
11) SKADZ patrol - be warned
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
12) Metropolis
by "Ryan Vance" <ryan@mail.hobiesnowboards.com>
13) Re: Hey guys...
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) Tate and Garfunkel
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:50:16 +0100
From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: I let you live...but I gave you life...what else could you do...to do
Message-ID: <00b401bed485$67a72a20$4fe52ac2@elydian>
> Wrong. There are actually people in the world who reply to that first
> e-mail, but have don't jump to conclusions about their character. You're
> the one that presumed to know Jeremy's character all from that one line.
> I was making you aware of this mistake. This is not normal for me. You
> pissed me off :) Sarah's gonna hunt you down! :)))
I was replying with equal strength to his e-mail, you say I judged him from
line one, he judged most of the list in the subject line. You're acting
biased here.
> Oh stop you're whining. You give what you get. Call me the mirror, my
> friend.
How can I call you a mirror, when you don't seem to be reflective.
> I didn't assume you're a dick. Please point out where I said you're a
> dick. You just needed to be spanked a little :)
You didn't have to say it outright, the message was clear.
> "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with
> his fools." - Ernest Hemingway
Heh, nice, you bastard, your gonna have my friends learning that off by
heart and reciting it to me :)
> How's it feel? Hmmm, think I'll go ask Jeremy :)
As I said before, in his subject line.
> *Seems* that way, doesn't it?
He could have toned his original e-mail down, I maybe would have agreed with
a less insulting approach, that's why I replied with an equally strong
e-amil.
> Bummer. This place used to be more like a community, or family, where
> people actually took the time to notice someone's name. Is this the new
> world order I've heard so much about?
You're criticizing me like I just joined this list, I've been on it for
three years, you may hve known me as Elydian before, just look in that
backlog. Anyway, you're avoiding the point of the sentence you criticize.
> <saluting> Yes sir :)
Good.
> I think naturally in terms of comedy. You provide fodder :)
Well believe it or not, if you knew me, I do exactly the same. I am as
passionate about my comedy as I am with my argument.
> But it appeared that Jeremy's side pissed you off. Or did I misintepret
> your words?
He provided such a one sided approach, all I was doing was providing the
other side, to balance it out. There you have it, both sides. It's at the
root of all arguments, if someone comes in with a one-sided approach,
someone else is bound to balance it with the other.
> It's called showing someone the other side. So I guess it's ok to expect
> others to see all sides openly when it suits you; but when you're the
> object of that expectation, it's off-limits.
No, not at all, as I said, balance.
> If you come in with an attitude and then can't be bothered when, at this
> point, more than one person disagrees with your tactics, then it's no
> wonder. To use the phrase "pisses me off" in the FIRST reply to an
> e-mail is strong enough to warrant being called on it. You don't like
> it, too fucking bad :)
The point is, I've tried to make people aware of both sides all of my life,
but they've thrown it back at me, just like you, and it gets to a point
that's like, why the fuck should I spend my life explaining everything to
people, when they don't even want the truth? It wastes my time, I can no
longer be bothered.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > > > Jesus was a gay pedopfile, and very well hung.
>
> Jesus saves.
> But Moses picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
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In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
-- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:51:39 +0100 From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Free Minded--Hold Your Head High Message-ID: <00b501bed485$69fa41e0$4fe52ac2@elydian>
> Well, until you can figure out how to post coherent, useful arguments and > statements, I fail to see the point of responding to your post. I > don't see any reason to respond to an argmuent that you aren't really > making because you don't know how formulate it properly. Come back when > you learn some basic argumentative skills. > > -jeremy
Back at you.
It's your turn with the mirror, it never surprizes me.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:28:55 +0100 From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: elydian "T.D. Smith" Message-ID: <00b301bed485$66c555a0$4fe52ac2@elydian>
> I figured it out... from the irrational and overblown responses that this > "T.D. Smith" is spouting all over the place... I can only come to one > conclusion, since this is coming from the UK domain... that this is none > other than the group/it/whatever it is that used to be Ice Queen... > > -The Doc
Irrational and overblown, hmmm, maybe overblown, but irrational, no.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:26:57 +0100 From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4986 Message-ID: <00b201bed485$65f44a00$4fe52ac2@elydian>
> TD Smith: ::snore:: > > Get the pole outta your self-righteous ass and get a sense of humor. It'll > do you a world of good, and maybe Jens and Jeremy will quit making an ass > out of you (not that you're not doing a fine job on your own). > > You're boring. I think that's the ultimate sin in this place. > > > Jaime the i-was-here-first Dragon
All I do is defend the list from someone who is apperantely labelling us as fools, and I get this. OK, I apologize, if I misunderstood the guy, but this is just silly.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:07:10 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: prejudice, etc Message-ID: <iss.4c52.379787fd.3108c.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> Original Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:29:58 -0700 (PDT)
> I'm not gonna preach on about religion.. I stopped believing in God > about the same time I stopped believing in the Tooth Fairy. If you do, > that's great and fine by me. It's when you start telling me I'm going > to Hell because I don't share your beliefs, or I'm a bad person because > I used to do certain things, that I get angry.
Eh, getting angry isn't even worth it. If it bothers you so much that you can't just ignore it...Something like "Hey, I already bought my way into Heaven! I'm at the right hand of Jesus and all it cost me was my firstborn!" usually works pretty well.
:D
On a more serious note...I've always wondered...
Just because *you* (not Amanda particularly...you know who you all are) have a hangup about Christianity and some atrocities that have been done in its name doesn't mean every Christian is evil or stupid. This is the same argument that we hear from people like the Minister Farrakhan who holds every white person alive today responsible for slavery. My ancestors held no slaves, and my ancestors didn't participate in the Spanish inquisition or the Holocaust, and even if they did, that's them, not me. So what the fuck is your point? is all I have to say to people who use that kind of reasoning.
On a related note...
People will go on and on about how we should be open-minded and judge people for who they are, not what race, creed, or religion, but if that religion for someone out there happens to be Christianity, as soon as people find out you're going to have some closed-minded hypocrites ready to bite your head off before they even meet you.
Here's a dirty little secret in late 20th century america...it's chic, especially among young self-styled intellectuals, to attack Christians. It's very post-modern, rebellious, and cool. It's very UNcool on the other hand to ridicule, for example, Moslems, because that wouldn't be very multi-ethnically aware, would it? Not showing much respect for diversity if you do that, even though Moslems, and pretty much every other major religion except Buddhists, have plenty of blood on their hands (and even Buddhists aren't squeaky clean). Hindus do plenty of killing and have for years; read about the various conflicts on the Indian subcontinent. Christians, we all know about the kind of crazy shit they've pulled. Jews used to like slaughtering all the pagans they could get their hands on, until the shoe ended up on the other foot; they haven't choked any rivers with the dead in the last thousand years simply because they haven't had the manpower for it. :P
I didn't want to get into this at all, but I just felt this needed to be said. Of course, it's pointless; it won't change anything. Those of you who agree with me will continue to, and the kind of people I'm talking about will just ridicule me in their infinite wisdom and open-mindedness. So be it. But it needed to be said.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:10:07 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Secrecy of new album . . . come on Mike P. . . tell us why? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990722165220.00b01dc0@po7.mit.edu>
>Gary Cleghorn at some point said something like: > >The new DT album will be a concept album. you'll see.... > >I hope not, we have already had ACOS > >Lets have a prog heavy cd with excellent vocal melody.
A Change of Seasons is not a concept album. It's an EP. It features one very long song and some live tracks. The album is almost similar to 2112 by Rush in that it features one long track which shares the same name as the album's title.
And who's to say that a concept album by Dream Theater wouldn't be very progressive and/or have great melodies?
I think DT would do very well in writing a concept album, at least from a musical standpoint, since they've shown the thematic element before in Images & Words (Pull Me Under riff in PMU & TTT, Wait For Sleep riff in WFS & LTL) and Awake (Erotomania (all of it), Space Dye Vest riff in The Mirror & SDV, The Mirror riff within Lie, etc.) They would just have to concentrate a little more tying an entire album of themes together, which probably wouldn't be hard for them.
If the music was even that loosely tied and yet all the tracks could stand on their own as great songs (like Queensryche's Operation: mindcrime), then we'd have one killer concept album...musically speaking
Of course, I'd be a bit wary about the lyrical content...I haven't seen too many concept albums accomplish much in this department besides The Who's Tommy and Quadrophenia, Queensryche's Operation: mindcrime, and Pink Floyd's The Wall. Then again, I don't think Portnoy, Petrucci, and LaBrie could even compare to Townshend, Tate & DeGarmo, and Waters.
-Bogie
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:18:13 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT MP3 Message-ID: <443059b6.24c8e495@aol.com>
YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!! I have every single DT commercially released CD. The song that is on ACOS is "Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding" by Elton John. YEs, that song is on the album Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, but there is a song by the same name as that album that DT has performed live on a few occasions. I wouldnt ask for a commercially released mp3 of the other elton john cover done by DT. I was simply looking for a rare release..........think next time you flame....
-Compadre32 has spoken
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 15:24:29 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: A Drop of Golden Sun Message-ID: <002e01b81ad6$98b968e0$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
>You guys with the religion/gay/Nostradamus threads and those who even "take >the time"<look 8p its DTC> to respond to them are a bunch of immature >children with far too much time on your hands.
Hmmm.....? :) Too much time on our hands? I can't think of any better way to spend my time than having an intellectual discussion. I though that's what my Nostradamus post might stir. I guess I should have known better than to philosophize here. :) As far as the gay/religion threads go, I've taken them to private mail. I've had an interesting theological conversation with Brandon Jessee, and, even though we can't settle our differences (I wouldn't expect us to), it does give you a little insight into the other person. Even though we really don't agree on anything, we both like DT and that's good enough for me! :)
>This generalist statement is not aimed at everyone..<you know who you are>
I am a 13 year old kid who uses the internet as a facade. I create the image of myself being a humorous, cynical, 23 year old meat-eater when I'm really a wheelchair ridden eunich who has to eat through a tube. I get onto chat rooms and lure 55 year old women to my house so that I can have my way with them. I have a large collection of live insects in my bedroom, the container purposely placed such that it may topple and release a horde of voracious, chitinous creatures to feast on my flesh while I sleep. I am... -- KorgX3, Parapalegic Seductress and Forensic Entomologist! NP: Ron Thal - The Adventures of Bumblefoot
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:26:54 +0300 From: Yuval Regev <MCregev@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990725002654.007b3120@192.168.0.1>
Hi all!
I have a question about Metropolis Part I. I read the lyrics over 20 times and I still can't understand what is it about! (I read in the FAQ - didn't help me). Can someone please help me (It seems to me I'm missing something).
BTW - Anyone here from Israel? And, does anyone know if DT will ever have a show in Israel (I think we have more than 40 fans here, although I'm not sure how many... And it's a shame)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4989 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990722142719.20897B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>>You guys are missing the most obvious clue that Mike already >>gave us. In the video, he says "Here's inspiration corner" and then >>aims the camera at a few CDs lying about: "Tommy", "Lamb Lies >>Down on Broadway", "Seargent Pepper", "Misplaced Childhood", >>"The Wall" and a few others. Hmmm....what do *all* these have in >>common?... >> >>The new DT album will be a concept album. you'll see.... > >I hope not, we have already had ACOS >
23 minutes is *not* a concept album. It's half of an LP, and only a bit of a CD these days.
>Lets have a prog heavy cd with excellent vocal melody. >
Thank God concept album and prog-heavy w/ excellent vocal melody aren't mutually exclusive terms.
Anybody know how many albums DT has left on their contract? Going out with a bang? (just pure, white, granulated speculation -- take a snort)
--Matt
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:36:46 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SKADZ patrol - be warned Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990722171653.00afb6c0@po7.mit.edu>
Hey guys,
I'd hate to play Skadz around here, but someone in their right mind has to lay the smack down. And, considering I'm good friends with Skadz and see eye to eye with him, I feel I can speak for him...
So, ANYONE who contributes in ANY way to threads concerning the following:
- Christianity / religion - homosexuality / sexual lifestyles - "I'm pissed - fuck you flamers, I'm flaming you back! I want my jam back!"
I will write your names down and send them on to Skadz upon his return from Ireland so that he doesn't have to wade through 2 weeks worth of bullshit emails on the 'jam. If your name happens to be on this list, be prepared to receive a warning from Skadz - maybe even a boot from the 'jam.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
To quote Skadz from a recent post:
"Everyone - this is NOT the place to flame people. If you wanna flame someone, keep it in private email, don't put it here. Keep the conversation to music and related stuff. As I have said about 8 billion times in the past, think before you post. Juneville bullshit will not be put up with here."
So, consider this the 8 billion-th and 1 time that you've been told.
-Bogie
PS - If you seriously have a problem with what I'm doing, email me in private. However, I will immediately delete any email which was not well thought out before it was sent.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:04:15 MDT From: "Ryan Vance" <ryan@mail.hobiesnowboards.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis Message-ID: <199907221604.AA257229060@mail.hobiesnowboards.com>
>Hmmm... based on a couple of posts in the last digest, I'm >thinking it will be a concept album based on the >Metropolis story.
So what is the deal with Metropolis 1. is there a story to it? Still a newbie to some of the history. Can anyone get me a clue?
Thanks, Ryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Look i have a sig line! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com>, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hey guys... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9907221802340.46805-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
As much as I want to believe that you think you're doing right by saying that homosexuality is wrong and God doesn't like it...
Don't you think that God had any idea that something like this could happen? As science proves it, there IS a gene for homosexuality (although I haven't read any of the studies myself), which means that somehow, and for some reason, it was in God's plan, as all my religious friends would say. In addition, was Jesus's greatest commandment not: Love God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your soul, and love your neighbor as you would yourself? Seems to me that we're supposed to "forgive" (sorry, it's the only word I can think of in this situation) all the "wrongs" that people commit, which in your case would be homosexuality? In a world where we are supposed to be taught that God is all-forgiving (and I was born and raised Catholic, I've been through all the catechism and church schooling), why would we really believe that he couldn't forgive something that is natural (refer back to my earlier comment about genes).
On a related note: If in Scripture it said that Jesus was going to be killed by his own people, how could the Jews be considered wrong when God knew that it was going to happen the way it did?
Or how about this: I've heard AIDS referred to as a punishment for gays and for fornicators by God. If we are supposed to get punished at Judgment Day, why would God punish us on Earth as well? Wouldn't it be kinda redundant to screw you twice, once during life and once after death?
These aren't challenging questions, just little things that I've stored up in my years studying religion.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "Never trust a spiritual leader who can't dance." - Mr. Miyagi -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:32:42 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tate and Garfunkel Message-ID: <001b01bed492$1daf6420$bb83cbcf@matts>
After listening to Queensryche's version of "Scarrburough Fair", from Music in Progress, i must say "Hell yeah guys.." glad someone besides me, and talented. like S&G.. I would love to hear DT do a rendition of "Sound of Silence".. Speaking of S&G i hope anyone who saw "American Pie" (which btw didn't even have the song in it!) caught the "Graduate" scene with the nerdy boy, in the tux, screw his friends mom on the pool table while "Mrs. Robinson" played in the background! I love it when someone incorporates great masterpieces, very tastefully, into their production.. I would love to see DT put out another Bside album.. with more PF, S&G, Yes, Rush.. and maybe some 80's stuff.. like older Metallica, Queensryche, Helloween, Genesis (Land of Confusion!), Type O' Negative (they could put a happy twist to TON's song.. maybe Christian Woman, or Red Water), Savatage (Prelude to Madness w/ Hall of the Mountain King), or Jethro Tull. I would love to hear JR play some Rachmoninoff or Chopin..
Any other suggestions?? comments??
On a side note.. i am trying to DL the full MP solo at www.mikeportnoy.com and am having problems.. it gets to about 8 or 11 meg and just stops. Anyone else have this problem? I don't think it's my internet connection.. cause i never get a message that the download was uncompleted .. and my connection is still up.. Is the whole thing Zipped? Just curious.
indii (still live in the age of the telephony modem..need cable, bad!) IM indii 20 icq 20280371
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