YTSEJAM Digest 4992
Today's Topics:
1) You want crazy, I'll show you crazy :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) no concept albums wo/ kevin please
by E DeSobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
3) Mi: a name I call myself
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
4) MET II, Concepts etc...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
5) Re: Met II
by psull@ici.net
6) Euro jammers wanted... :)
by Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com>
7) Re: The Gathering / The Smiths I think?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4991
by psull@ici.net
9) The nerve it takes
by "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
10) DT99 concept album...
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
11) Met2
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
12) Wanna laugh at yourselves? Read on...
by Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
13) King's X
by "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
14) The Nerve!
by "A Change Of Seasons" <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com>
15) Re: Met2
by JamesAhab@aol.com
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4991
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
17) RE: Met2
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:11:44 +0100
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: You want crazy, I'll show you crazy :)
Message-ID: <37985C00.1B963725@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Biz Jizzed:
> coming out of the bathroom holding a 5 minute pregnancy test, "Dammit Bob,
Is that the same "Bob" as George Carlin used in one of his skits? ("will
7 be enough Bob?") Didn't know Bob was bi. Or perhaps the 7 wasn't
referring to children? ;)
> I'm still not pregnant, this just isn't working"). I can't say as I have
> any first hand experience, but from what I understand gay sex works quite
He said 'hand', mmmmmmhehehehehehe
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:36:45 -0400 ()
From: E DeSobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: no concept albums wo/ kevin please
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.93.990724093453.-87767B-100000@ih6.emory.edu>
The ultimate DT concept album would have to include Kevin on keys. His
lryical mastery is perfect for such a project. Operation: Mindcrime is
brillant because of its story and lyrics, not so much the kick ass music.
It is timeless because the story never gets old. Besides, DT already did
a concept album -- it's called Awake.
Eric DeSobe
Interfaith Health Program
The Carter Center
One Copenhill
Atlanta, GA 30307
Phone: 404-614-3745
Fax: 404-420-5158
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:43:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mi: a name I call myself
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990723083008.3767A-100000@gs.bass.org>
I'm glad Korg finally told us how he employs the internet. Now we can
accept him for who he really is. :)
Somehow I've managed to inquiriatate. I apologize to the jam for that. It
seems to be a bad habit of mine. I'll try not to let it happen in the
future. And, Jon, my comment was general, not addressed to anyone in
particular. And was, I thought, obviously tongue in cheek. Just because I
put my two comments together, it meant not that it was adressed to you.
Stream-of-consciousness is a large part of my writing style.
paul /who in the spirit of complete honesty is salivating at the thought
of hundreds of insects collected in a jar. Dinner!
NP Ritchie Kotzen: Bi-Polar Blues
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Tellin' you all the zomby troof/ Here I'm is, the zomby woof
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:55:08 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MET II, Concepts etc...
Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B02D869@bham-xchg>
Hey,
I too am wondering where the "They've already re-written MET2 with
JR" thing has come from. If they have - it will be on the CD, no point in
wasting time on it otherwise. My big question, and not wanting to burst the
"Concept Album" bubble, is - how do you write a concept album at the same
time as recording it. Surely they must have already had the concept comming
together long before entering the studio with it, but there was no inkling
of that from Mr Portnoy. Also, JR hasn't been in the team long enough. I
can't see the DT guys saying "Hey JR, welcome to DT, we've already got a
concept for the new CD".
The other problem with a concept album, is the lack of commercial
viability. FII was a real "Radio Airplay" cd, maybe with JR joining and the
success of LTE they may be leaning more heavily on their progressive side
(and nothing would make me more happy), but this is not a Magna Carta
release, this is an East West release and we all know that the DT boys want
to be more successful and more popular. Of coarse this could be their last
"contractualy agreed" CD with EW, which could turn into a "Look at the size
of our concept album, now fuck you 'cause we're off to Magna Carta, oh and
by the way, thanks for not promoting us properly". That would be pretty
funny.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. We could all just slag
DT99 off, saying that it must be shit, that's why there's been no news. We
could really pick holes in Mike's drumming and, eventually, just maybe, MP
will crack and tell us all about it in one massive flame.....it's a long
shot....but it just....might....work....
Dave (a UK jammer - currently in Alabama).
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:18:53 -0400
From: psull@ici.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Met II
Message-ID: <199907231415.KAA25654@bajor.ici.net>
> and they know how bad their fans want it on the
> album. What reasons would they have for NOT putting it on the album?
Lack of space; it not fitting in with the rest of the album's concept/
theme/tone; they don't wanna; they write something even sicker
and decide to use that instead...
Or - try this one on for size - since the song was already over 30
mins long, they stretch it out, add sone new pieces, rename all the
different parts, and it *becomes* the new album, just under a
different name (perhaps). Who knows?
___Pat Sullivan___________________________
Email: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html
ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:18:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Euro jammers wanted... :)
Message-ID: <19990723141804.19829.rocketmail@web806.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey jammers,
I'm going to be in Europe in about a month for a month, and I'd like to
perhaps get in touch with some of you if possible. I'll be going to
Portugal, France, Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. If there
are any jammers from those countries, please email me. I'd really like
to get in touch... Thanks.
Vince
vfrench@home.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:22:37 +0100
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: The Gathering / The Smiths I think?
Message-ID: <37986C9D.BCB06EA2@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
- Could someone point me to the tour dates for The Gathering? I like
what I've heard broadcast on ytseradio. From what people are saying, the
group is pretty tight live. Sounds like it'd be worth checking out.
- I was flipping through the channels the other night, and there's some
new show on, Buffy and My Lucky Charm, or The Charming, or Charmed or
something. I heard the intro. It's a tune from the early/mid 80's by The
Smiths right? Or one of those bands *I* first think of when someone says
the word 'alternative'.
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:43:07 -0400
From: psull@ici.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4991
Message-ID: <199907231439.KAA26770@bajor.ici.net>
> When I went to the DT Xmas shows, she didn't trust
> me with Skadz and wanted to take down his license number in case I never
> came back. ;P
She didn't trust Skadz? Well, that just proves that your mom is a
very smart woman. :-)
-----
> I still love FII, but
> because of all the talk about it on the 'jam a month before its
> release, people putting RA files from the songs all over, the bootlegs
> of new material from the fix for 96 shows, etc...
That's another thing. I hope they refrain from playing any of the new
material live until after the album comes out. It creates an
uncomfortable conflict when they play a show (which I want to go
to) with material I don't want to hear (yet).
-----
___Pat Sullivan___________________________
Email: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html
ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:50:08 -0500
From: "Christopher Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The nerve it takes
Message-ID: <000801bed51a$a9a85580$70ab8780@uchicago.edu>
Wow.
Haven't posted in a while, and man, things are nuts hee. I simply can
not believe the balls of STEEL that some of you have. Do you respect DT?
Why would you then offer any suggestion about how their new album should be?
Maybe Portnoy is really a strange guy and doesn't take that kind of thread
as an insult, but I just think that's incredibly disrespectful. Let them
write their album. Let them keep it a secret! They're doing all that for
YOU, not to "make you crazy" and not because they're afraid of anything. I
don't know anyone in the bad, but I am SURE that as a musician, each member
of the band wants nothing more than to put together what he feels is the
best possible album, and give it to you for your enjoyment. Don't pretend
that you should have any input in that process.
Bearing that in mind, I don't see one good argument as to why this new
album couldn't be written around Metropolis 2, or couldn't be a giant
expanded Metropolis 2. "It's only 23 minutes of music... so it can't be"
doesn't mean anything, nor does "I don't think they'd do that"
Unless Portnoy comes in and tells everyone what the album will be, let's
just wait and see what happens rather than debate something this inane.
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:13:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT99 concept album...
Message-ID: <19990723151304.9610.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com>
Well I really don't think this album will be a concept
album. The only reason why I don't think that it will is
because of the coment that James makes on the 5th mpeg clip
on Mikes site. He said that he hadn't started to record at
that point and in the next few weeks they would begin to
write the lyrics. Now maybe it's just me, but one would
think that if it were to be a concept album the lyrics
might have been written and rewritten by this point. I
think lyrics usually have a strong influence along with the
music in a concept album so by them not even having started
on them.... well I don't know where I am really going with
this. Just something to think about. Honestly I would
like them to do what Spocks Beard did with Day For Night
and that is put the epic (MET2) at the end of the album.
When I listen to D4N all the way through that last piece
brings closure to the cd.
later all
===
John Parks
jpyyz@yahoo.com
Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music and Music is THE BEST
-Frank Zappa-
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:12:12 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Met2
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE813@messaging>
I really don't think this will happen. Mr. (Master?) P said himself that he
didn't want to do one big hour-long conceptual song, because it has already
been done by Fates Warning. I'm hoping for a concept album, which may or
may not INCLUDE Metropolis II, but I seriously doubt Met2 will encompass the
entire album. I could be PERFECTLY happy with another kick-ass conventional
DT record. I REALLY think Met2 will be released as an EP, if at all....
<<<<
On the subject of the new album, I think it will be a concept album entitled
Metropolis II (w/possible sub-title). However, there will be no track
entitled M2. There will be 10 tracks, but the idea will be the same as a
Pleasant Shade of Gray. The entire album is one conceptual song, Metropolis
II. But then again, APSoG wasn't in the "inspiration corner." while i hope
its a concept album entitled metropolis 2, and i hope the theories are right
because it would be great...but it *will* be a letdown. the secrecy is why
im
anticipating this so much. if it comes out and i pick it up and find out
that
everyone guessed right, it'd be like..."oh...i saw that coming. no
surprise."
i dont care what it is, at least i know itll be good.
>>>>
David Dixon
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:32:19 -0400
From: Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca>
To: YTSEJAM Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wanna laugh at yourselves? Read on...
Message-ID: <3798A723.898521DB@videotron.ca>
I came upon this little bit of humor and having been throug the jam
flood of the past week and a half over NDT related stuff just made not
posting this
impossible...
Have fun, I certainly laughed myself silly...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How Many Mail List Subscribers
Does It Take to Change a Light Bulb?
This humorous piece pokes fun at many of the
interpersonal and
group dynamics typical of a mailing list. The author
of this piece is
unknown.
How many mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
Answer: 1,331
1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the
light bulb has been changed
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the
light bulb could have
been changed differently
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing
light bulbs
53 to flame the spell checkers
41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames
156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light
bulb discussion and its
inappropriateness to this mail list
109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please
take this email exchange to
another list
203 to demand that cross posting to other lists about changing
light bulbs be stopped
111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light
bulbs and therefore the
posts *are* relevant to this mail list
3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to
this list which makes
light bulbs relevant to this list
306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior,
where to buy the best
light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique, and what brands are
faulty
27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs
14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post
corrected URLs
33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all
headers and footers, and
then add "Me Too."
12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they
cannot handle the light bulb
controversey
19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ
48 to propose new change.lite.bulb newsgroup
47 to say there is already an alt.light.bulb newsgroup
143 to ask if anyone ever did change the lightbulb
++++++++++
NP: LTE2 (What else?)
Steve Godbout
godbouts@videotron.ca
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:47:42 +0200
From: "Robert Sindermann" <sindermann@get2net.dk>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: King's X
Message-ID: <002801bed533$99954ea0$f4d552c3@rob>
> King's X has always been identified with as having Christian
> tendencies.
I don't really remember the the context but I read an interview with =
Doug Pinnick (was it in "Heavy, oder was?" or "Rock Hard"?) in which he =
said something in the likes of that as of recently he wasn't religious =
anymore.=20
Hmm, maybe I should go look for the exact quote...
> "Nobody expects the Bhuddist Inquisition"
LOL. Python rules!
Rob
NP: Metal Gear Solid
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website: http://hjem.get2net.dk/sindermann
e-mail: sindermann@get2net.dk
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:59:45 -0500
From: "A Change Of Seasons" <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Nerve!
Message-ID: <002d01bed535$272260e0$662fe9cc@o5h0w2>
Hey Jam...
This is in response to what Ptacek wrote....
I think that ppl discuss this next album because:
1. Portnoy has been VERY tight lipped about it.
2. We have no idea what the next album is gonna be like.
These two things help build alot of anticipation.. and in my opinion
this will probably drive ppl crazy until they go out and buy it and
listen to it.
I'd have to say that keeping a lid on the info for this next album is
the best thing
DT has done!
btw... this conversation is the best thread, I've seen all year.
peace!
poj
NP:DT - Images and Words
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"Life will not always be this way.
Look around. Hear the sounds.
Cherish your life while you're still around!"
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:18:31 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Met2
Message-ID: <2f9cf3fd.24ca1a07@aol.com>
>< I really don't think this will happen. Mr. (Master?) P said himself
that he didn't want to do one big hour-long conceptual song, because it has
already been done by Fates Warning. I'm hoping for a concept album, which
may or may not INCLUDE Metropolis II, but I seriously doubt Met2 will
encompass the entire album. I could be PERFECTLY happy with another kick-ass
conventional DT record. I REALLY think Met2 will be released as an EP, if at
all.... ><
Ah, but they also said that they will not release another EP.
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:27:50 +0700
From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4991
Message-ID: <3798D046.72830359@pacific.net.ph>
> (That's a terribly general description, forgive me) Now that, to me, doesn't
> seem to be the way to make a concept album -- especially given the
> relatively short amount of time DT spent in the studio.
Yeah...I know. You're probably right, but I'd like a concept album
nonetheless. I just found it interesting that "Inspiration Corner"
featured a heck of a lot of concept albums.
So, I guess, for me, it's just wishful thinking. Who knows, maybe
they had a lot of themes they wanted to tackle in their lyric
writing? Maybe all those ideas were there, but they brought
them out in the studio. We'll see. It's just too bad we'll have to
wait for however many months.
-Rob
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:35:11 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Met2
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE819@messaging>
Which is why I said, "if at all".... :)
-----Original Message-----
]From: JamesAhab@aol.com [mailto:JamesAhab@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:27 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Met2
>< I really don't think this will happen. Mr. (Master?) P said himself
that he didn't want to do one big hour-long conceptual song, because it has
already been done by Fates Warning. I'm hoping for a concept album, which
may or may not INCLUDE Metropolis II, but I seriously doubt Met2 will
encompass the entire album. I could be PERFECTLY happy with another
kick-ass
conventional DT record. I REALLY think Met2 will be released as an EP, if
at
all.... ><
Ah, but they also said that they will not release another EP.
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