YTSEJAM Digest 4997
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4988
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
2) slow down
by "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
3) Re: Enchant - Time Lost
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
4) Re: Enchant - Time Lost
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
5) Re: Enchant - Time Lost
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
6) Virgin Steele
by "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4996
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
8) RE: Virgin Steele
by Josh Watkins <jwatkins@megsinet.net>
9) DT99
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
10) Re:Metallica
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
11) Re: new tea party
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
12) Mini-Digest (4995)
by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
13) MIDI heaven
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:51:40 +1000
From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4988
Message-ID: <379AD019.A954096C@alphalink.com.au>
> > * Nothing in the world is logical unless your a Christian, and even then
> that
> > only explains a bit.
> > No one 'lives a life of truth' as I have heard anti-Christians claim to
> be
> > living.
>
> Wonderful sweeping nonsense. And with such great logical foundation too!
> Makes sense to me, how bout you?
For you it would require a hell of a lot of explaining. Try thinking sometimes,
it could be a good start.
>
>
> > * Its funny how nearly all anti-religion replies are basically stupid,
> > undeducated trash that think
> > they can argue a christian out of his faith. it is also interesting that
> none
>
> See above. It's not supposed argue a christian out his religion, just to
> belittle him for his closed mind and lack of vision. It's fun, try it
> sometime.
Lack of vision?
Your the only one with a closed mind. Rather than try to engage in
a logical argument you simply sit back and laugh.
I don't know why I even bother replying to your post.
> If it makes you feel better I was raised Catholic. Then I had a sudden
> revelation that Christianity is a great big steaming pile of shit. I think
> it was all the science fiction books =). Once opened a mind doesn't like
> to close again.
See above. No that doesn't make me feel any better.
Being raised something doesn't make you that thing.
> > * Whilst I am no expert on homosexuality i think that it is a sort of
> > 'disorder' or whatever you
> > wish to call it. I mean it just doesn't work. However, that is no reason
> to
> > give homosexuals any
> > less rights as us. If thats the way they are, thats the way they are, and
> it
> > changes nothing about
> > them. I have h.s. friends, in the same way as i have deaf friends and a
> friend
> > without an arm.
>
> So a differing sexual preference is a serious disability... would you then
> equate someone who masterbates to a blind person? Or maybe a hetero with a
> preference for oral or anal sex to cancer? Is a bi-sexual only mildly
> disabled, or is that more serious than being homosexual? Is a dog who
> humps a person's leg afflicted?
There is a difference between sexual preferences and wanting to be a woman
when you're not. Masterbation and a dog humping a person's leg has nothing
to do with it. I guess you might say a bi-sexual is only midly disabled, or maybe
just curious.
> I'm just trying to understand the
> underlying rules of this bigotry.
If I were you I wouldn't bother understanding anything. Go outside and throw a ball.
> Maybe I'll play to. 'Curse the dirty
> fornicators! And they use that immoral birth control too! Good thing we
> have AIDS to wipe this scourge from the earth. SEX IS A SIN!!!!! YOU WILL
> ALL BURN IN HELL!!!!'
> And, um, how do you reach the astounding conclusion that it doesn't work...
> That assumes a specific purpose for it... (/me imagines Johnny Gayguy
> coming out of the bathroom holding a 5 minute pregnancy test, "Dammit Bob,
> I'm still not pregnant, this just isn't working"). I can't say as I have
> any first hand experience, but from what I understand gay sex works quite
> well at what it's intended for. But then christians still believe that
> reproduction is the only reason for having sex. Poor deluded bastards.
> Perhaps you're just confused then. Or have a few screws loose. You
> believe that nothing in the world is logical unless you're a christian, and
> yet you choose not to be a christian... At least most christians seem to
> be too oblivious to realize they're completely illogical, but you go ahead
> and choose it.
Tell me one thing that is logical and I will tell you why it is completely not
logical.
> From: Vince French <vincefrench@yahoo.com>
>
> Whether or not I'm a christian, I don't think it's fair to refer to a
> homosexual as someone suffering some sort of 'disorder'.
> It's a personal preference, and even if your religion is against it, it doesn't make it a disorder. Sheesh, how outdated is religion anyway? It should be kept up with modern times, that yes, people
> have different sexual preferences.
Would you call a person who thinks he is a vampire and goes around
drinking people's blood and person with a preference or a person with
a disorder?
Religion does try to keep up with modern times generally.Whether it
succeeds or not is beside the point Everytime someone converts
to a particular faith it is up to them to decide what they want to believe.
Christianity does not equal Catholic does not equal brain dead followers
of the Pope.
> I consider myself more of an atheist than anything else. I could think
> that christians have a disorder, and really, could be called delusional
> because of what they believe in. But I don't think that. I know what
> religion is, and it doesn't interest me. I prefer a scientific
> explanation rather than something that to me, doesn't make sense.
> Maybe someday I'll change.
If you do have an opened mind, unlike the last person I replied to you
may very well change.
>
> Maybe I won't. The fact is, I accept
> people's beliefs, and don't think they're suffering from anything
> because of it. They're simply different. And different is good.
> Because without different people, man, the world would suck.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:18:03 +0200
From: "Sasha" <sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: slow down
Message-ID: <010b01bed69a$700906e0$42e91dc3@sasa>
damn you all!
I haven`t checked my mail since Friday cause I wasn`t home... and now i
press the damn "sync all" button and get like 10 jams... damn it, you`re not
wasting your time! yea, 4 more till digest 5000, i know!
Anyhow... i was at this concert at Friday. Well, i highly doubt that any of
you (besides Cyberduke) have ever heard of this guitarist from Macedonia
named Vlatko Stefanovski. Well, he was a guest at the show of Gibonni - and
he is like one of the best singers and writers here in Croatia... it`s
nowhere near prog but i really like him. So, Vlatko played guitar on
Gibonni`s last album... AND Vlatko was voted for the best guitarist in pop
music by Guitar Player magazine. The guy is absolutely fucking amazing! Even
though he didn`t had to much place for solo acts within the songs, he played
some killer intros... i bought his latest Cd at the show and got it signed.
There aren`t any too progressive songs on the album but i think that some of
you jammers might like it... Vlatko uses alot of scales and elements from
macedonian folk music. He is definately the best guitarist in eastern
europe... Anyhow, for the first time in my life i tried to tape the show...
and it turned out very well.
So, if anyone is interested to hear some nice shredding by Vlatko, let me
know and i`ll make you an mp3...
This summer is going on pretty well... last weekend i saw Mike Oldfield, at
friday i saw these two guys, next weekend i`ll see Vlatko again with his
trio and Whitesnake... hey, didn`t Steve Vai play in Whitesnake for some
time?
"Lifting shadows off a dream
Once broken
She can turn a drop of water
Into an ocean..."
John Myung of Dream Theater
["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"]
sasa.cabaravdic@pu.tel.hr
ICQ UIN - 6098813
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:48:59 -0400
From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Enchant - Time Lost
Message-ID: <000501bed693$af19e900$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
>Has anyone heard anything about Enchant lately? Are they still a band?
>Shit. Since Break was released I haven't heard a damn thing about them. :\
Word is, some of the band wanted to dive right back in after their European
'Break' tour and some of them had no interest in doing so. They haven't
broken up, but they ARE in an extended holding-pattern. Which might as well
be broken up. Who knows?
BTW, you can now get Paul Craddick's solo effort (which still features all
of Enchant) on InsideOut now, so all the internet import places are probably
carrying it.
Lastly, Enchant's 'Break' RULES.
Mike
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Enchant - Time Lost
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9907250920140.26685-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> I have noticed that Enchant/Time Lost is now available
> thru CDNow. It is listed as having seven tracks. Is
> that the only version available? Are there any other
> versions of this disc? Or is that the one to get?
That is the only version. The first 4 tracks are Wounded-era
tracks that didn't make it onto "Wounded" and the final 3 are really old
tracks from when they had a different bassist and singer. Ted Leonard and
Ed re-did the tracks for the release.
- mike.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:24:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Korg Ecksthrey <korgx3@safelink.net>
Subject: Re: Enchant - Time Lost
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9907250922000.26685-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Has anyone heard anything about Enchant lately? Are they still a band?
> Shit. Since Break was released I haven't heard a damn thing about them. :\
According to Paul Craddick, the band is looking to start writing
the follow-up to "Break" later in the year. If you want some good Enchant
stuff to hold you off until then, pick up Paul's solo project - called
"Xen" - which is now on InsideOut Records in Europe. It features all of
the other Enchantiles (Ted, Doug, and even Benigmus) on the project.
Personally, I consider it Break's sister album - it's less serious and not
as dark as Break is.
- mike.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:12:57 -0700
From: "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Virgin Steele
Message-ID: <PDIAHAMIBCGAAAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com>
Hello List,
Can anyone tell me about this band? I have been listening to some soundclips off of the "Invictus" album and I really like it. Epic, melodic, speed metal. Do they have a website? Do they have any other albums besides the one I mentioned and are those other albums any good?
Thanks for any info.
Joshua
P.S. I am pulling for DT making a concept album.
Whaat!!! Have you tried The Doghouse??! Get your FREE WEB-BASED EMAIL account at:
http://doghousemail.lycos.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:29:47 +0200
From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4996
Message-ID: <001f01bed6cb$d7ed2260$3f872fc3@flskesteg>
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:23:30 +0200
> From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Re: Gathering reivew in So Cal
> Message-ID: <199907242323300000.0087D23B@c3.hu>
>
*snippety*
> > portnoy: I think the new DT album needs to be really heavy with
> > classical influences. Cut out the pink floyd and jazz stuff.
>
> No way.:) If DT cut out the jazz stuff, it would lose most of its
> 'progressiveness' IMHO.
>
Damn right...they'd turn into Symphony X (not that I don't like SX, just
that one's enough). On the other hand, I'd prefer something heavier than
FII. We'll just have to wait and see...
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>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:23:34 +0200
> From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Mini-Digest (4993)
> Message-ID: <199907242323340890.0087E55E@c3.hu>
*snippety*
> I hope these promos - if there will be any - will not reach Europe. I b=
et,
> I am going to be the first one who enters the CD store on that cloudy
> October day at 9:30 am.
>
Hell, no! I'll be the first!
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>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:05:01 -0400
> From: "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5000
> Message-ID: <19990724.200126.-92195.0.BranJisPAD@juno.com>
>
>
> It's comming up! Everybody post a message! =3D)
I just did!
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>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:59:27 EDT
> From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: A new beginning!
> Message-ID: <ac04172f.24cbd78f@aol.com>
>
>*yadda-yadda-yadda-baby-girl-yadda-yadda-DT-yadda-yadda*
Hey, man! congratulations!
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>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:55:22 -0400
> From: "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
> To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: The improving state of music today..... NDTC
> Message-ID: <002201bed65a$0dc88b80$b98a06d1@tiac.net>
>
>
> Whats up? I figured that I would start a new thread that I find kind o=
f
> interesting. I have noticed (with great interest) that radio stations =
are
> starting to play, 1. More 80's metal. 2. More talented 90's music an=
d
3.
> A lot more HEAVY stuff.
I totally agree with you. All though some pretty good music was made in t=
he
90's, it was mostly underground-sort-of-stuff, where in the 80's Duran
Duran, A-HA, Guns'n'Roses, M!"#=A4%&/(a and a whole bunch other great
musicians were on the radio and TV all the time. Let's just hope that coo=
l
music and popular music will join together once more.
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>
just 3 left!
Take care now, bye-bye then
Simon Long Krogh
NP:LTE - Chris and Kevin's Excellent Adventure (who are Chris and Kevin?
Chris Collins and KevMo?)
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:12:05 -0500
From: Josh Watkins <jwatkins@megsinet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Virgin Steele
Message-ID: <LOBBKLLBKGCMJBOCOGGHOEDPCAAA.jwatkins@megsinet.net>
> Can anyone tell me about this band? I have been listening to some
soundclips off of the >"Invictus" album and I really like it. Epic,
melodic, speed metal. Do they have a >website? Do they have
any other albums besides the one I mentioned and are those other >albums
any good?
Though it doesn't seem to be working right now, Virgin Steele's official
website is
http://www2.crosswinds.net/new-york/~invictus/
Invictus is a really good disc, but beware some of the older VS albums.
These guys have been around for a long time, since the 80's, and their old
stuff is NOT good, IMO. Go with Invictus, and maybe the Marriage Between
Heaven and Hell pt. 1 and 2, but I wouldn't recommend anything older than
that.
Josh
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:36:06 EDT
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT99
Message-ID: <ea46681b.24cccf36@aol.com>
Hey,
I thought the light bulb joke was hysterical. I almost fell out of
my seat. How true. Definitely a joke only Jammers would get.
I think the guys from the band are creaming their shorts with all the
talk about DT99. These posts have got to keep them on their toes. October
can't come soon enough.
I've been to busy to remember-When does/did MP's video come out. I
need to spend some birthday money on something.
See ya,
TW
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:08:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re:Metallica
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990725160436.3166A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
I go with the guy who says how the have progressed. An unamed person said
Bob Rock ruined metallica. I thought this for a long time. But then I
heard the demos to the "album with no name or title, or PRODUCER", and
they sounded the same. Bob just tweaked their sound, whcih honestly, the
Black album is the best when it comes to putting music to tape. Now they
have a more raw type of sound. They did grow their hair back long, so all
those worries can stop it.
Kurt
NP:Tesla-Psychotic Supper
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******
"I remember Now"
"Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy."
Airheads
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:27:20 -0500
From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: new tea party
Message-ID: <l03130300b3c13121e627@[128.83.249.35]>
yep, there sure is a new tea party cd, but rite now, it's only available in
canada. it's a good thing I recently went to the great white north on a
fishing trip, and just happened to have to go to a walmart in winnepeg to
get fishing supplies, and make a quick detour into the cd section. :)
Jim Shields
Guitar/Vocals Room 213
www.room213.com
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Spread before you is your soul / So forever hold the dream within our hearts
Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live.
Dream Theater "Learning to Live"
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:06:46 +0200
From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" <zeusz@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mini-Digest (4995)
Message-ID: <199907260106460260.0014CC5F@c3.hu>
Hi jammers,
>From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
>Subject: what? new tea party!
>Do ya like Savatage at all?
*nod*;)
>... but the album comes with a
>booklet that has all the kickass lyrics,
and which can be replaced in the CD only with great efforts...;)
>... this was the best
>album of 1998, and yes, I'm putting that ahead of LTE.
Sorry, but the TWoM came out in 1997...and the world tour was also then.
Maybe in fall/winter 97/98.
>Anyway, you can't not like savatage and this is their best album so just
>trust me!
Somehow I like the plot of DWD better, though - as I mentioned it before -
musically it is not that good.
>What's interesting is that they change musically along the way. It doesn't
>surprise me in the least that they might change any other aspect of
themselves. They changed keyboardists, producers, they've >branched out
into side project
>things, etc.
Somehow, I have an axious fear (Iron Maiden content...;) ) concerning these
side projects. I fear that one day one of the DT members stands up and says
'Hey guys, I like this and that project better, and I think I should leave
this band.' Or is this unimaginable?
>Now, let us all pray for twins :)
ROTFL:)))))))
>From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Zombie guitar tones
>
>Maiden tomorrow night!!!!!!!!
Have fun, man! Tell Steve that Zeus said 'Hi' from Hungary...;))))))
>From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
>Subject: RE:Metallica/selling out
>
>But....
>James and Kirk Grew their hair back recently. Would this be considered
>"Selling back In?"
Well, I don't know. They had a show here on 3rd June, and it was the second
best show of my life. (The first was DT's show 16th June, 1998).
They had long hair then, but not the length of the hair was that counted.
They did not play even one crap-song from the Load-Reload albums. Just the
heavy stuffs.
They played songs from Master (Battery), Ride (Fight Fire with Fire,
Creeping Death, Ride), and they did not forget to play One. In addition
they played a lot from the Black album. So they were incredible.
Two bands played before them. Two 'trademarks'. The first that kicked some
asses before Metallica was Merciful Fate, the other that sucked some cocks
was Monster Magnet (Bleah.)
Bye
ZZZZZ
NP: Dream Theater: Another Day (Images And Words)
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 02:26:43 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MIDI heaven
Message-ID: <379BAB43.3FD949C1@mol.com.mk>
Lots of cool midis at:
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/dpoole/midi.htm
All kinds of bands included, OFB too! :) Although it's THEATRE written!
Happy downloading.
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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