YTSEJAM Digest 4994
Today's Topics:
1) Concept Album creation...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
2) DT99
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) Stuff to talk about?
by "Christian A. Schulze" <cschulz1@tampabay.rr.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4993
by Compadre32@aol.com
5) Re: DT99
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
6) Concept CD
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
7) New Guitar World interview
by "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com>
8) Speculations.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) EW and contracts
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
10) Good Question!!
by "Jordi Gene Mateu" <merma@telcel.net.ve>
11) Helpful tips for guitarists.
by "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com>
12) The new disc
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
13) Inspiration corner and DT99
by William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu>
14) Metropolis II - The Rumors and the Facts
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
15) Jethro Tull news
by IRON HENDERSON <hender@wam.umd.edu>
16) Selling out / Metallica / Flamebait!!
by IRON HENDERSON <hender@wam.umd.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4993
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:33:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Concept Album creation...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990723143222.29025A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Remember that Thick As A Brick was not only written as they recorded, but
also recorded in less than a month. It can and has been done in the
timeframe DT had.
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:36:40 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT99
Message-ID: <379861D8.EF926E33@mol.com.mk>
Why again discussions on Met.2 when it was said by DT themselves that
Met. 2 will NOT BE on the new album?
I'm sure we all want to get it, but it won't be on the new album! At
least that's what I remember being said.
What confuses me is that I'm sure jammers remember that info, so why
rambling again?
Didn't check the videos yet, but the talked about Inspiration corner and
albums that were there seems pretty straight = it will be concept album!
-- CyberDuke ________________________________________"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:19:45 -0400 From: "Christian A. Schulze" <cschulz1@tampabay.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Stuff to talk about? Message-ID: <01bb01bed559$78d9d520$3b0d5c18@t4y8t1.tampabay.rr.com>
Brandon Vaughan wrote: <<Please don't take my words as too heated. But I think it is good for the band to create a lot of excitement and anticipation about the new album. What do you suggest we do . . . all go into hibernation until the album . . or sit around discussing religion and homosexuality issues? Or maybe generate enough excitement about the new album that new fans develop? >>
If people are out of stuff to talk about, there's a new Tea Party CD out, a new NIN single, and just a lot of good music out there that probably doesn't get talked about much. I hope I'll have time to review some Medeski, Martin and Wood stuff soon because I just got this and it just blew me away. Remember, this is a DT-and-related-subjects list, and the best part of it has always been when somebody comes in and talks about some band or artist that you haven't heard about before, therefore exposing you to new kickass music.
I think speculation on what might be is just a waste of time, it doesn't change what the new album already is, and is just plain boring. It's comparable to 5yo kids trying to guess what they're getting for Christmas.
So that's my suggestion, since there's no DT CDs or shows to talk about, let's talk about other bands that rock our boat.
KillMary
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:12:59 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4993 Message-ID: <d385634c.24ca50fb@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/23/99 4:37:04 PM Central Daylight Time, bvaughn@snowhill.com writes:
<< The "crazy" part is the fact that the fan base may have hurt the band in some way that they are keeping this a secret because of that (my fear anyway). And if that is the case, I think it is a real shame. >>
Im Lost (in the sky....DTC).... :)
what do you mean by the fan base hurting the band???????
PLEASE EXPLAIN
-Compadre32 has Spoken
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:23:27 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT99 Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990723192148.00aa2510@po7.mit.edu>
At 03:08 PM 7/23/99 -0700, CyberDuke wrote:
>Why again discussions on Met.2 when it was said by DT themselves that >Met. 2 will NOT BE on the new album? >I'm sure we all want to get it, but it won't be on the new album! At >least that's what I remember being said. >What confuses me is that I'm sure jammers remember that info, so why >rambling again?
You seem to be mistaken. Dream Theater said that if the song were to be on the next album, that it would be a version completely different than the one written with Derek Sherinian in the band. They never said at any point that Metropolis 2 would not be on the new album.
-Bogie
-------------------------------------------------- Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ --------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:21:23 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Concept CD Message-ID: <001701bed56a$a13e0ac0$855299d1@default>
Not to be negative (because I would love a concept CD from the band) but with all this discussion about one, we're all going to be really pissed now if it's now one. Am I right?
Mike
Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:28:29 -0400 From: "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Guitar World interview Message-ID: <19990723.203647.-334651.0.BranJisPAD@juno.com>
]From what JP sez, he's not practicing technique as much as he used to. And from other things I've heard, I think the new album will be even more like the quieter stuff on Falling. They've already said Metropolis II has been recorded and is too much of an awesome sequel to actually name the album that. My guess is it will be a real free spacy type vibe with one or two totally complex song. One being Metropolis 2 since it's 20 some minutes long... ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:57:53 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Speculations. Message-ID: <002001bed56f$91cbeee0$dfeefea9@korgx3>
> Not to be negative (because I would love a concept CD from the band) but > with all this discussion about one, we're all going to be really pissed > if it's not one. Am I right?
Nah. Personally, I think one of the only concept albums I can really appreciate fully is QR's Operation Mindcrime. There's nothing like that album. It's the only concept album I've ever picked up where each song goes with the story while, at the same time, it is able to stand strong on its own.
This is something that takes strong lyrical ability, and I don't mean to start a flame war, but unless (as someone stated before) Jordan has some cards up his sleeve we don't know about, DT's strongest lyricist left with KevMo 5 years ago. But, on the other side of the token, Mike and the Johns have occasionally cranked out shit better than stuff KevMo wrote. John P.'s fantastical settings. Mike P.'s ability to convey emotion extremely well. John M.'s deep insights on life...
Perhaps if they milked each other (heh) and all got together to pour over each other's ideas, the union of their skills would produce something mind-shattering. But we've only seen a smudge of JLB's skill, and I thought the lyrics to Anna Lee were pretty good. I always used to think that the frontman sings much more profoundly if he writes his own lyrics. Maybe James is ready to kick all our skulls in. :) Rah!
But, then, it might not be a concept album, which would be alright with me even though I freakin' looooove concept albums.. :) Rah! Rah! -- KorgX3 swallows a jagged, little pill. NP: Tesla - Bust a Nut
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:06:57 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: EW and contracts Message-ID: <v04210106b3bebf2c4399@[192.168.1.1]>
Just read the post about DT and their record deal.
They just signed a new deal last year, and I *really* don't believe Magna Carta could do any better than EW. In fact MC has lousy distribution and even worse support, at least from what I've heard. EW made some mistakes in the past, but they are still a major label, and DT need the power of a major.
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:33:29 -0400 From: "Jordi Gene Mateu" <merma@telcel.net.ve> To: "DT Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Good Question!! Message-ID: <000c01bead37$2fab13e0$440229c8@jordigen>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:55:39 -0400 From: "Brandon S. Jessee" <branjispad@juno.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Helpful tips for guitarists. Message-ID: <19990723.215541.-334651.1.BranJisPAD@juno.com>
If you use proper left hand classical technique i.e. Thumb always behind the middle finger instead of first. You can learn to strech back, giving you at least 2 more frets. Try it, it helps. I can currently strech from the 10th fret to the 21st. Have fun... As I said earlier: If anyone wants to discuss Song writing, Theory, or Technique: I'M RIGHT HERE! =)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The new disc Message-ID: <19990724021726.12275.rocketmail@web117.yahoomail.com>
Damn! I take a few days off the jam and look what breaks out!
Anyway, about the new disc:
1) Met Part II - Just thought I'd point out that anything that might have been part of any unfinished compositions can always come out reworked, torn apart, and recompiled with a different name. (I.e. Metropolis Part II could have expanded to an entire concept album entitled "Sex, Religion and my Gay Lover". No mention of Metropolis at all.)
2) No News is Good News - I, for one, have no problem with the news blackout that DT has imposed. The problem with releasing any early demos or news is the tendancy for people to "like the first thing they hear". Kind of the same effect as people liking best the first album they hear from an artist. You're asking for trouble when you release early demos or even just "concepts". You always end up with a flood of people who say "I liked it better the first way".
my $.02, BH
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:50:21 -0400 From: William Cary Hall <wchall@email.unc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Inspiration corner and DT99 Message-ID: <379929ED.A0A065C3@email.unc.edu>
I really wouldn't put it past MP to show us "Inspiration Corner" just to throw us off of the trail of what DT99 really is. Not saying he did this, but as secretive as they've been the whole time, why show us Inspiration Corner and pack it with concept albums only? It just doesn't fit with the secrecy that's surrounded the project.
Personally, I think it's more likely that we'll see a six-to-eight track album with semi-long and average length songs, plus the elusive M2
-- William Cary Hall http://www.unc.edu/~wchall ICQ# 6956498 AIM: UNC Cary
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:41:40 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis II - The Rumors and the Facts Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990724012939.00a84250@po7.mit.edu>
I posted this back on alt.music.dream-theater a while back, but I updated it a little bit since then.
Since everyone has been talking about Metropolis II lately, I decided I would post the real deal (at least what I know to be the real deal) concerning the version with Derek and the version with Jordan It should clear up all the incorrect statements I've been seeing tossed around this list about M2:
The version with Derek: -- Dream Theater wrote a version of Metropolis II with Derek Sherinian on keyboards. However, the band only was able to perform the song straight through ONCE. Portnoy has this on DAT and stored in his archives. The length of this take was somewhere in the vicinity of 25 minutes, but the band wrote other parts which they were planning to add to the song which would bring it up to 30 min. in length.
I'm sure there are plenty of takes the band recorded which could be used to create a polished produced and mixed version of Metropolis II with Derek on keyboards. However, keep in mind that no vocals were recorded at the time the music was recorded. Petrucci has said in the past that the lyrics were still being worked on, but the music was finished. That's why you never saw Metropolis II in the list of "completed demos" in Portnoy's updates about the FII demo recording sessions. It was never completed due to the fact that the lyrics weren't written and the vocals weren't recorded.
Of course, we all know in January of 1999, the band decided to change keyboardists, drop all musical ideas written for Metropolis II while Derek was in the band, and start fresh musically with Jordan Rudess in the band.
The version of with Jordan: -- The question you all should be asking the band is not, "Will you record Metropolis II with Jordan?", but "When will you record Metropolis II with Jordan?" It's inevitable that Dream Theater will record this song with Jordan Rudess in the band as it is the most anticipated song of all Dream Theater fans.
Concept album or not, we will get Metropolis II some day. It may be on this next album, it may _be_ this next album, or it might be on a future album.
No one but the band knows if it has been recorded or if it has been tabled until a future album. Nothing is definite about the song being recorded yet.
Regardless of the outcome, be prepared to shit bricks over this next DT album!
-Bogie
---------------------------------------------------- Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ ----------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:50:24 -0400 From: IRON HENDERSON <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jethro Tull news Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990724015024.0099bd90@pop.wam.umd.edu>
This message is for any Tull fans that may be lurking...
They've just put up RA samples of four of the songs on their new album ("Dot Com", due August 23 on the Fuel 2000 label, a subsidiary of Universal Records), and they are real good (disclaimer: they don't sound like anything off of "Aqualung"). Whoever produced it (Ian maybe?) wisely decided to up the guitar and bass in the mix and the result is a lot more akin to their live shows than the previous albums. Check 'em out.
Oh, and they're touring the US pretty much immediately after the release of said album. And, keeping with my vendor theme of late, I may have a decent seat available to the PNC Bank Arts Center show on September 1st. Drop a line if you're interested, we'll talk business.
Brian "Yes, I Own 27 Officially Released Jethro Tull Albums" Henderson
=================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL <temporarily offline>: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ ===================================
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 02:15:45 -0400 From: IRON HENDERSON <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Selling out / Metallica / Flamebait!! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990724021545.009838c0@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Al Balkiewicz announced: >All we need now is a thread on Metallica selling out, and we should have >covered all the bases....if I missed any others, please send a Top10 list >of threads that would drive Skadz nuts.
I think I can oblige.
Here's some logic for y'all.
1. Metallica said they wouldn't cut their hair. 2. Metallica contradicted their statement (made a long time before the action) by cutting their hair. 3. Many longtime fans believe Metallica sold out when they cut their hair. 4. Dream Theater say they won't release another EP. 5. If Dream Theater ever releases an EP, they will be contradicting an earlier statement by its release. 6. If Dream Theater ever releases an EP, they will be selling out.
Hur-hur...
Brian "I like the bulk of 'new' Metallica and recently chopped my locks off too" Henderson
P.S. To anyone not grasping my lack of seriousness here, please address all complaints to my alternate E-mail address, getbent@eatme.net.
=================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ WARNING: Do NOT go to the above website!!! ===================================
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:07:26 EDT From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4993 Message-ID: <f02ecf1c.24cac02e@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/23/99 5:37:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
<< > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > How Many Mail List Subscribers > Does It Take to Change a Light Bulb? > > > > This humorous piece pokes fun at many of the > interpersonal and > group dynamics typical of a mailing list. The author > of this piece is > unknown. > > > > How many mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > > Answer: 1,331 > > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the > light bulb has been changed > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the > light bulb could have > been changed differently > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs > > 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing > light bulbs > > 53 to flame the spell checkers > > 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames > > 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light > bulb discussion and its > inappropriateness to this mail list > > 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please > take this email exchange to > another list > > 203 to demand that cross posting to other lists about changing > light bulbs be stopped > > 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light > bulbs and therefore the > posts *are* relevant to this mail list > > 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to > this list which makes > light bulbs relevant to this list > > 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, > where to buy the best > light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this > technique, and what brands are > faulty > > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs > > 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post > corrected URLs > > 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all > headers and footers, and > then add "Me Too." > > 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they > cannot handle the light bulb > controversey > > 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." > > 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ > > 48 to propose new change.lite.bulb newsgroup > > 47 to say there is already an alt.light.bulb newsgroup > > 143 to ask if anyone ever did change the lightbulb > ++++++++++ > Me too.. indii IM indii 20 icq 20280371 > >>
I wholeheartedly agree. . . (me three)
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