YTSEJAM Digest 4993
Today's Topics:
1) merchandise, DT conspiracy
by "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Wanna laugh at yourselves? Read on...
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
3) Re: (no subject)/DTC
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@pp.inet.fi>
4) Re: The nerve it takes
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
5) Re: About the replys...
by "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
6) Re: The nerve it takes
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@pp.inet.fi>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4992
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
8) Re: About the replys...
by "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
9) A DT Question!
by "Eric Trautmann" <etrautmann@cds-net.com>
10) sure beats the hell outta....
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
11) I bet Mike's laughing his ass of now =)
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4992
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
13) Nervous?
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:51:26 PDT
From: "Schnipp -" <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: merchandise, DT conspiracy
Message-ID: <19990723195126.3102.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi all,
where can I get DT merch best( like T-shirts, not the sticker site). Any
url's?
Could anybody send me a copy of the two posts by a guy named maddog or
something like that, in which he analyzed the lyrics and stated that JP
would overtake DT?
thanks ,
schnipp
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:52:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Wanna laugh at yourselves? Read on...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.9907231550140.22004-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
oh boy - Skadz is gonna go absolutely INSANE if he reads up on these
'jams.
All we need now is a thread on Metallica selling out, and we should have
covered all the bases....if I missed any others, please send a Top10 list
of threads that would drive Skadz nuts.
Anyone wanna stick their neck out on that one? :)
-Al
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:18:56 +0300
From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@pp.inet.fi>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)/DTC
Message-ID: <008501bed548$f2fa3cc0$600ec5c2@virkti-6>
>On the subject of the new album, I think it will be a concept album
entitled
>Metropolis II (w/possible sub-title). However, there will be no track
>entitled M2. There will be 10 tracks, but the idea will be the same as a
>Pleasant Shade of Gray. The entire album is one conceptual song, Metropolis
>II. But then again, APSoG wasn't in the "inspiration corner." while i hope
>its a concept album entitled metropolis 2, and i hope the theories are
right
>because it would be great...but it *will* be a letdown. the secrecy is why
im
>anticipating this so much. if it comes out and i pick it up and find out
that
>everyone guessed right, it'd be like..."oh...i saw that coming. no
surprise."
>i dont care what it is, at least i know itll be good.
I'm hoping it's not titled Met. II, regardless of being a concept album or
not. I think that it'll be a "turnoff" for would-be listeners if they see an
album titled "Metropolis Part II - <your favourite subtitle here>" and think
"Part II? I can't buy this! Where is part one?" And, if they can't find an
album titled "Metropolis Part I", they go somewhere else, not realizing it's
a song, not a previous album.
Or something like that.
I don't think that calling the new album Metropolis II is a good idea. And,
if it is a concept album, putting Part II in there without part I is a bit
odd too =)
Nevermind, I'll buy it anyway and make everyone else buy it too =P
-WT-
NP: Woodstock 99 (on TV)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:21:05 -0500
From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The nerve it takes
Message-ID: <001601bed548$e6e23aa0$12c72fd8@brandon>
> Haven't posted in a while, and man, things are nuts hee. I simply can
> not believe the balls of STEEL that some of you have. Do you respect DT?
> Why would you then offer any suggestion about how their new album should
be?
Things were nuts about the religion and homosexuality stuff. The talk about
the new album has been the most interesting stuff I've seen on here in a
long while.
What does speculation about what they are doing have ANYTHING to do with
respecting DT? I respect them . . . will absolutely love anything they
decide to put out.
Is anyone so delusional on this list that they think in posting some guesses
about the new album that they actually think they are making suggestions to
the band?! The album is finished; we are guessing as to what the album is
going to be like, not telling DT what they should do.
> Maybe Portnoy is really a strange guy and doesn't take that kind of thread
> as an insult, but I just think that's incredibly disrespectful.
Yeah, I'm sure he's plenty insulted that people want the best for the band,
and are so infatuated with him that they wonder what he is up to and why he
is acting so out of character about the new album.
Now what is disrespectful is what happened with FII, where several people
were trashing the album before it even came out. That is totally an insult.
That is why I wonder if this was the reason for the secrecy this time
around. But to sit around and guess why this is going to be the BEST DT
album to date is not an insult, but flattery.
I can't see how you think guessing what they did in the studio is
disrepectful. Maybe I missed some post that set you off.
>Let them
> write their album. Let them keep it a secret! They're doing all that for
> YOU, not to "make you crazy" and not because they're afraid of anything.
Well, again, since you quote me, let me put my statement back into context.
I am more than happy for them to keep it a secret! It adds a lot to
anticipation. If they are really smart, they won't play any of the new
stuff until after the CD is released either.
What "makes me crazy" is 2 fold. 1) I am crazy about DT, and eagerly
wishing October was already here, but more than that 2) the why behind the
secrecy. Because I've been on this list as long (maybe longer?) as you have
Chris, and you know this isn't the way the band has behaved with previous
albums. The "crazy" part is the fact that the fan base may have hurt the
band in some way that they are keeping this a secret because of that (my
fear anyway). And if that is the case, I think it is a real shame. So take
of that what you will. I am as eager as anyone for the new album. I can
wait in secrecy the whole time. In fact, I hope they don't spill any info
on it till it comes out. I am just hoping the secrecy is because of
anticipation setup or because of something unique about the album, and not
because of the way the fans have gotten over the years.
>Don't pretend that you should have any input in that process.
Chris, did you forget that the band hired many of us as extra band members
and engineers?
Who would be stupid enough to think that?
Please don't take my words as too heated. But I think it is good for the
band to create a lot of excitement and anticipation about the new album.
What do you suggest we do . . . all go into hibernation until the album . .
or sit around discussing religion and homosexuality issues? Or maybe
generate enough excitement about the new album that new fans develop?
I would much rather talk about something regarding DT (since this is a DT
list). And right now we are in an anticipation stage of the album.
Best to save your wit and wisdom (which we all know you have) for if people
start trashing the new album. Save up your energy until then. Then we can
turn to you and say, "Sic 'em Chris, sic em!" And then sit back listening
to the cool DT album while counting body pieces. But let us have a little
trip into fantasy until that time.
The MadTabber
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:29:03 AST
From: "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: About the replys...
Message-ID: <19990723202903.85170.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi. go here.
http://wsbf.clemson.edu/cowgod/data/
or actually, by the time you get this, it may be here.
http://wsbf.clemson.edu/cowgod/mkmi/
regardless, do both so you get to see my cool custom 404. :)
anyways. note the 3rd bullet in the list. hmm... wait! you play keys, right?
and you have that brand new hard disk recording program... hmm... care to
put it to good use? :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:29:34 +0300
From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@pp.inet.fi>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The nerve it takes
Message-ID: <00b201bed54a$cf166480$600ec5c2@virkti-6>
> Haven't posted in a while, and man, things are nuts hee. I simply can
>not believe the balls of STEEL that some of you have. Do you respect DT?
>Why would you then offer any suggestion about how their new album should
be?
>Maybe Portnoy is really a strange guy and doesn't take that kind of thread
>as an insult, but I just think that's incredibly disrespectful. Let them
>write their album. Let them keep it a secret! They're doing all that for
>YOU, not to "make you crazy" and not because they're afraid of anything. I
>don't know anyone in the bad, but I am SURE that as a musician, each member
>of the band wants nothing more than to put together what he feels is the
>best possible album, and give it to you for your enjoyment. Don't pretend
>that you should have any input in that process.
> Bearing that in mind, I don't see one good argument as to why this new
>album couldn't be written around Metropolis 2, or couldn't be a giant
>expanded Metropolis 2. "It's only 23 minutes of music... so it can't be"
>doesn't mean anything, nor does "I don't think they'd do that"
> Unless Portnoy comes in and tells everyone what the album will be,
let's
>just wait and see what happens rather than debate something this inane.
Hey hey, getting jumpy, are we? Would you rather see another christian
bashing thread? Or Syrinx-bashing?-)
But seriously, I don't think it's a good idea to complain when we're finally
discussing something DT related. Note the word discussing! It doesn't feel
like people are saying what they think the new album should be, I think
they're saying what they either expect it to be (mostly based on the bits of
info DT have given us) or what they'd like it to be. Now, is there anyone
here who won't buy the album if it a) doesn't have Met II b) isn't a
concept album c) a&b? =)
-WT-
NP: Woodstock 99 (on TV)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:31:43 -0400 (CLT)
From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4992
Message-ID: <199907232031.QAA21114@antonia.webhost.cl>
>
>Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:36:45 -0400 ()
>From: E DeSobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: no concept albums wo/ kevin please
>Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.93.990724093453.-87767B-100000@ih6.emory.edu>
>
>
>The ultimate DT concept album would have to include Kevin on keys. His
>lryical mastery is perfect for such a project. Operation: Mindcrime is
>brillant because of its story and lyrics, not so much the kick ass music.
>It is timeless because the story never gets old. Besides, DT already did
>a concept album -- it's called Awake.
For crying out loud, not AGAIN!!!!!!!
Kevin is gone, Derek is gone, Jordan is at keys. PERIOD.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:48:18 AST From: "TheCowGod ." <cowgod77@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: About the replys... Message-ID: <19990723204818.18355.qmail@hotmail.com>
oops. that was meant to be private. damn me :) moo.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:01:12 -0400 From: "Eric Trautmann" <etrautmann@cds-net.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A DT Question! Message-ID: <000001bed54e$7f08c880$0501010a@PC16>
Hey All -- I would like to try and get us back on track from all this non= -DT ranting going on with Skadz on holiday. Someone not to long ago posted a brief history of DT on the list. Please read the following excerpt from it:
******** At one point the frustration to find the right guy became so intense they
actually considered an all instrumental route -- especially after a serie= s of
really bad experiences -- yet they decided to persist. This revolving doo= r
included John Arch of Fates Warning who came very close to getting the jo= b,
but he decided against it. Then there was the Geoff Tate clone from Seatt= le
named Steve Stone who actually sang a few songs with the band during one = of
the instrumental shows, but it was clear he didn't fit in. Finally, they
found Chris Cintron who appeared to be the right man for the job, that wa= s
until the tape from Canada arrived...
The man in question was Kevin LaBrie, then of the Toronto band Winter Ros= e.
Although Chris was days away from joining, the band thought the voice on = the
tape was too good to overlook and Kevin LaBrie was flown down to try out.
Unfortunately for Chris, he was out of the job, but Dream Theater finally
found the singer they had been looking for. ********
The question I have, is if anyone knows anymore about this period of the band? What are the series of really bad experiences DT had? We all know w= ho John Arch is, but who are Steve Stone and Chris Cintron? It seems to me t= hat DT was very close to having another lead singer if it hadn't been for our man JLB.
Later Eric http://www.monmouth.com/~trautmann
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:59:28 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: sure beats the hell outta.... Message-ID: <199907232059.PAA06702@mail.busprod.com>
all this other shit....
hmm.... concept album. Whats wrong with a little good natured specualtion about the record in the works? I think MP is probably reading this thread with interest savoring the fruits of his labors (keeping tight about the album content).
What I think.... because I know thats what you all wanted... lol!
its not gonna be a concept album. But... i do think that with JR on board that DT thinks they are gonna make their masterpiece that sets them in the ranks of best bands ever. And as for the albums in "inspiration corner"... I forsee a much more atmospheric album. Setting moods... I and I'm hoping that the new DT takes a huge cue from the radiohead OK computer... and gets more layed and experimental.
2nd prediction: more acoustic/piano work... they're gonna try to stay away from stuff that just rehashes what they (essentially) released with the LTE2 album.
as for the concept album.. I just dont see any of the DT members (unless rudess is a closet poet...) being that great storyteller thats needed to pull off a concept album. Maybe if they took time and pooled their resources then maybe... otherwise, if they try to rush it and write it on the spot, it could be hokey city!
just a thought.
bruce bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:13:26 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I bet Mike's laughing his ass of now =) Message-ID: <000901bed550$423322a0$a08915cf@markphil>
Jam,
You know what, I bet right now Mike's stitting at his computer laughing uncontrolably... as he yells to Petrucci, "Heh John! Guess what! The jam thinks its going to be a concept album! Won't we suprise them!"
I honestly think a DT concept album would blow all the music walls down and kick serious ass, but I do have my doubts because of the way DT has claimed to gone about writting it (aka LTE style). And I highly doubt it will be a full Met2 song ala APSOG becuase for that very fact that Fates Warning has already done it.
But I am SO GLAD and impressed that DT has kept the lid on the leaks for this new album! The suspense is so bad ass! Lets keep the speculation comming! But lets not over hype it, TOO much... =)
Mike, don't tell us ANYTHING.... make us buy the album the nanosecond it's released and let us all delve into a musical heaven!!!!! Don't spoil it! hehe
Mark
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:17:14 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4992 Message-ID: <001301bed550$bcce76e0$a783cbcf@matts>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > How Many Mail List Subscribers > Does It Take to Change a Light Bulb? > > > > This humorous piece pokes fun at many of the > interpersonal and > group dynamics typical of a mailing list. The author > of this piece is > unknown. > > > > How many mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > > Answer: 1,331 > > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the > light bulb has been changed > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the > light bulb could have > been changed differently > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs > > 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing > light bulbs > > 53 to flame the spell checkers > > 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames > > 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light > bulb discussion and its > inappropriateness to this mail list > > 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please > take this email exchange to > another list > > 203 to demand that cross posting to other lists about changing > light bulbs be stopped > > 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light > bulbs and therefore the > posts *are* relevant to this mail list > > 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to > this list which makes > light bulbs relevant to this list > > 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, > where to buy the best > light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this > technique, and what brands are > faulty > > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs > > 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post > corrected URLs > > 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all > headers and footers, and > then add "Me Too." > > 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they > cannot handle the light bulb > controversey > > 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." > > 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ > > 48 to propose new change.lite.bulb newsgroup > > 47 to say there is already an alt.light.bulb newsgroup > > 143 to ask if anyone ever did change the lightbulb > ++++++++++ >
Me too..
indii IM indii 20 icq 20280371 >
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:29:20 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Nervous? Message-ID: <000d01bed552$6e44f4c0$89a6fea9@madstation>
> From: Steve Godbout <godbouts@videotron.ca> > How Many Mail List Subscribers > Does It Take to Change a Light Bulb?
Someone shoot this guy in the balls, and then everyone else send a copy of this list to the jam too so we can get another flood like last time. :)
> From: "A Change Of Seasons" <dreamtheater@cjnetworks.com>
> This is in response to what Ptacek wrote.... > > I think that ppl discuss this next album because: > 1. Portnoy has been VERY tight lipped about it. > 2. We have no idea what the next album is gonna be like.
Perhaps I was too brief (for once!) or perhaps you missed my point. I'm not talking about killing what I agree is a good thread. I'm talking about not taking it too far, as I feel some people on this list are (and do, regularly). This is all totally peripheral anyways. I'm just saying that it's a cool discussion but (re: point 2 of your post) it makes for a shitty argument. I'm much more concerned about some other shit, personally. Here's the big problem that will happen this year. DT is going to come out with an album that none of us were prepared for (I am in the camp that believes it will be a full length concept album, and I believe Metropolis II will be a part of that, either broken up and used in multiple songs, or otherwise) and then one person will find a way to get a promo. Then he makes MP3s of the whole album, so his friends online from Smetsvlarnia can get an advance copy. Then the Smetsvlarnian will post a review of this album, giving away all the secrets of the new album before it comes out, ruining the surprise for everyone who opts to wait for the full quality release. I think the coolest thing that could happen is that the promos that are released would contain cut versions, and radio edit type things, and then the real thing could come out with everything going on... that would rock all ass.
Anyways, enough.
- Chris
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