YTSEJAM Digest 4986
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4983
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
2) Re: AWESOME (NDTC)
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
3) Re: Fool
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
4) Re: Logic
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
5) Re: In the land of Lords and Leeches.
by "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
6) Insperation Corner...
by Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com>
7) Re: inspiration corner
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
8) Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
by Compadre32@aol.com
9) nick takes it in the seat....rebuttal discussion in room 6a
by jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov
10) woodstock
by Mats "Rydstr?m" <rydstrom@rocketmail.com>
11) Re: zealots and cd liners
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
12) cdliners again
by "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com>
13) Rotating Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
14) Ryche tour dates
by MentalHunk@aol.com
15) Any Oklahoma Jammers in here?
by "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:51:59 -0400
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4983
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990721165159.0092a100@mail.ptd.net>
Anna wrote:
<snip>
I agree wholeheartedly. Funny that this thread came up only a day after I
saw "Philadelphia" for the first time. Hee hee.
>and hi brian...
>i want my cd back.
>
>Anna:)
YOU WILL NEVER GET YOUR CD BACK!!! MUHAHAHAAA!!!
~Brian
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:12:29 +0100
From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: AWESOME (NDTC)
Message-ID: <00ad01bed3be$169282a0$b1e42ac2@elydian>
> T.D. Smith: You're on your own, pal.
Tell me something I don't know, there was a time when individuality was
valued, now everyone's a fucking sheep. I'm just glad to hell I'm not with
them.
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In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
-- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:06:31 +0100 From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Fool Message-ID: <00ac01bed3be$15c91820$b1e42ac2@elydian>
> Or as my brother used to say "If you ain't got something nice to say, > SHUT THE FUCK UP!"
I'm getting tired of this now. It's all because of a fact that has to be compromised. You can't read a person from one e-mail, of course not. But if we went around like that, no-one would ever reply. But let me get this straight, you're doing exactly the same to me. You immediately assume I'm a dick, from one e-mail. I really doing have the time.
> I can out code you drunk!
Do I give a shit? No, I'm going to just sit and wait for you to stereotype me again, when I say, I don't drink.
> > Sorry for the excess posts all at once, I know they could have been one, but > > frankly I couldn't be bother to cut and paste. > > Because frankly I just spend too much time wanking off on how other people piss > me off so much, I just don't have anytime left for taking the time.
You really have no idea.
> > In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. > > And there you have it folks, a control freak :)
Here he goes again, stereotyping, assuming my whole life from just one sentence, it seems you're naive enough to think it's that easy to know a person. Of course you're just going to blame me for doing the same. Did I ever said I knew what Jeremy was like? I was replying to the e-mail, I didn't even read his name.
You know what, I can't even be bothered to argue with you guys anymore, I can only reiterate the same truths. You think I'm narrow minded, I know I'm not, I think you're narrow minded, you probably know you're not, now let's all just shut the fuck up.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:19:52 +0100 From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Logic Message-ID: <00aa01bed3be$12ce27a0$b1e42ac2@elydian>
> Some said, while dancing with the faries: > > >Logic is only half of life. If you just look at the logic in > >everything, you are going to get bored with life very quickly. > > Actually, logic is at the core of everything. And by logic, I don't mean > Mr Spock. Logic boils down to cause and effect. Even emotion and art
Of course it is, but I was talking of straight scientific logic, rather than the broader philisophical logic. Yes, I agree but it depends on your dpeth of thinking. If an abstract artist did something completely abstract, is it logical? This is arguable. You could say it is because he was forced into escapism from early in life, and there's the cause and effect, but then the whole idea of abstract art is that it is abstract, without any particular cause and effect.
> follow rules of logic. We just don't like to admit it most of the time for > selfish reasons. > > ~Chris
I have been working on this fact for ages, I have always been able to accept it. What people need to realise is that logic is a beautiful that takes many forms, not that boring thing that cuts emotion out of the picture.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:55:09 +0100 From: "T.D. Smith" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: In the land of Lords and Leeches. Message-ID: <00ab01bed3be$14828e60$b1e42ac2@elydian>
> Depends, bud, you lumping yourself in with the idiot who wrote > the original post that Korgy reposted? It's a shame if you are, because
Well, I'm not.
> you are going through life making a huge fool of your ass, along with the > rest of them. I may not be better than you are, and I sure as heck ain't
Did I say I was better than you, did I even imply it? What is better, when nobody knows the meaning of life?
> better than most, if not all of the people on this list, but I AM better > than that fuckstick, and do you know why? It's because when I go through > life, I want to go through life with at least half a clue. This guy goes > on and spouts off Nostradamus and passes it off like it was some sort of > bloody fact. His poetry is so vague and so muddled that people 400 years
You see, you probably will deny it, but you're becoming the very person that you critisize me of being. You took what he said, and you followed up just like one of those guys who takes it all too seriously. Me, I couldn't give a flying fuck. When I read it, I didn't even move from my chair, I was just appreciating it for its abstract conceptual value. If I thought for one moment it may be true, I'd have fucking moved away by now, and if it is, well, it is, but how the fuck should I know?
> later still don't know what the fuck he meant. Then he'll use this vague > nonsense and try to pass it off as some truth to further some political > policy which he can't change anyway!! It's idiotic, stupid, and, > unfortunately the way people in general are bred to think nowadays. I
You are truly artless. For what reason he did it does not concern me, as I said before, I just appreciate it for its conceptual value.
> don't know about tweedledum, but at the time Cassini went up, I took a > long hard look at the RTG containment data. I wanted to know exactly what > the chances are (which are all laid out on a NASA webpage) of Cassini
There you go again, you're becoming the very person you think I am, which I am certainly not.
> taking the big plunge, and compare this to the scare tactics used on some > of the webpages that I had read. It was AMAZING! The anti Cassini pages > were chock full of misquotes and halftruths, and some outright lies.
Probably, I really don't care.
> Allspread to further some misguided political aspiration. For crying out > loud, if they'd spend time working on some ecological FACTS, like > deforestation of the rainforest, or save the fucking whales, at least > there would have been something productive going on. It reminds me of the
I agree with you outright on this.
> sheeple who follow certain doomsday churches waiting for the end of the > world that never comes. Yet they follow on and on, following the word of > some dumb fuck who has them financially in the palm of his hand. Sad... > all because they don't stop to look at the logic of it all. I sincerely > hope you aren't like that.
I'm not, and I agree with you again.
> Logic is only half of life. If you just look at the logic in > > everything, you are going to get bored with life very quickly. If life was > > all quickest way logic, do you think we'd have art or love? You come on here > > with your degree in Astronomy and think you're better than everyone else. > > Now you decide to put up the straw man, my friend. Perhaps you can point > out to me the one simple place I said love did not exist or where emotion > is incompatible with logic, or even imply such a silly thing. Go find > another straw man to knock down since you can't seem to address my > argument.
I addressed it as you made it look.
> > And before you start complaining that I don't appreciate logic, swallow > > those words back down before they leave your mouth, my degree is in Software > > Engineering, and I almost dumped it for Astrophysics. > > Good for you. Perhaps you could have contributed a solid argument if you > had gone into Astronomy, instead of this silly farce.
Now your just being that, I've got a degree in Astronmomy, so I'm better than you guy again. Do you want to know how fucking hard it was trying to decide between Maths, Astrophysics and Software. I still think naturally towards Maths, and I'm still taking a path that leads me into space science.
> > I can tell you now, I have never had confidence in the intelligence of the > > scientist who can only ever see the *science* in anything. > > And I've never had confidence in people who see conspiracies and ghosts > everywhere, or spread lies and misinformation and try to pass it off as > fact, or an informed opinion.
Me neither, but sometimes it makes you realize things, not necessarily what they're saying is true, but the difference between what we're fed, and what really *is*. You cannot possibly ignore this.
Do want to know how frustrating it is to try and persuade someone that the music that they're fed on TV, is not the best out there, in fact, quite possibly the worst, and then get sweared at for being 'narrow minded', which ironically is exactly what thy're being. It's analogous to trying to tell someone not to do something that's going to kill them, and them just ignoring you, and there they walk right into it. You can't tell them that you told them so, because they're dead.
I think we're on the same side here, just at least listen to everybody's side. Closing your ears to anything is one of the roots of evil in this world.
And please don't try to slot me into a category of person. I have a habit of believing one thing, then people try to slot me, then I raise an opinion against that slot, and they just can't understand, I mean, what the fuck is that?
> -jeremy > > +================================================================+ > Jeremy Hallum, Assistant System Manager & Grad Student, > Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
Don't bother trying to defend yourself this time, I can't even be bothered.
======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- T.D. Smith -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ =======================================================
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:28:20 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dave.ware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Insperation Corner... Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B02D863@bham-xchg>
Hey guys,
Robert A. Jurado asked : >In "Inspiration Corner" what's the CD after Roger Waters' "Amused >to Death"?
The one I think you're talking about is Radiohead - Ok Computer. Killer band, although a little alternative for this list, they do lean heavily on Pink Floyd IMHO.
Dave (a UK Jammer - currently in Alabama).
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:08:30 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: inspiration corner Message-ID: <199907211502523@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
<<In "Inspiration Corner" what's the CD after Roger Waters' "Amused to Death"?>>
I think thats Radiohead's OK Computer album. My bassist is into them, haven't really heard that much from them, but he say's they're very Pink Floydish.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:36:35 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Message-ID: <7453e273.24c7a573@aol.com>
Listen up folks:
Almost every time i request the assistance of other members of this corrupt mailing list, I am rudely ignored. I love the Ytsejam........people need to help others on this thing just as much as they need to discuss elements of OFB and related matters. Enough Preaching--------
Im looking for a mp3 recording of Dream Theaters rendition of Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road......(Bogie?) Any help??.....even if you can tell me its not available
-Compadre32
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:47:14 +0100 From: jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: nick takes it in the seat....rebuttal discussion in room 6a Message-ID: <199907212147.WAA18272@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Nick takes love for inanimate things to a new level with: Skull takes love for inanimate things to a new level with:
> I love the jam. All the religion, all the talk on homosexuality, all the > Gloom-and-Doom sayers, and all the rebuttals... this is fucking awesome! I
I think we could do without the fucking swearing, ok pal?
> seriously haven't had this much fun reading the jam in a long long time. > Skadz should go on vacation more often.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave :)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mats "Rydstr?m" <rydstrom@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: woodstock Message-ID: <19990721232941.4032.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
Hey,
I am visiting NYC from Sweden right now and thinking seriously about going to Woodstock for the weekend. Is there anyone else on this list going? And if so, is it possible to catch a ride? (I'll of course pay for gas) Or is there a good way to go there by train or bus or whatever? And finally, are there tickets left, and where would you purchase such tickets?
Glad for all possible help. I can be reached via rydstrom@rocketmail.com or phone +46-70 717 67 51. Otherwise I'll probably be at the Briann Setzer show tomorrow night.
/Mats
.............................................................. Mats Rydstr=F6m - d94-mry@nada.kth.se - rydstrom@rocketmail.com the LORD ROSSE Home Page... http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry ............................................................. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:41:55 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: zealots and cd liners Message-ID: <005d01bed3d2$a3fb4960$0ca8aec7@dickassm>
> Completely unrelated item: Thanks Edward for the cd liners. They kick > ass. Now, the question is does anyone know of a shareware (or free trial) > graphics program that will allow me to correctly size and print those > jpegs? I usually use LView, but it deals with picture sizes in pixels, > which doesn't really help me too much. Thanks in advance.
You should be able to just print them out and they will print actual size. I know they look huge on the screen, but just try it. later.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:57:07 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" <polzin@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: cdliners again Message-ID: <008301bed3d4$c2855cc0$0ca8aec7@dickassm>
Well, apparently, Xoom considers my webspace usage a violation of their terms of service because I have no html files on the website. I did this to keep all their crappy advertisements off my page. That explains why most of you are getting the xoom animated gif. I'm in the process of locating some free webspace somewhere else to host the files. if I cant find anywhere, then I (and you) will have to suffer with the crappy advertisements. later.
Edward Polzin Live and Rare Recordings http://polzin.home.mindspring.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:07:17 -0400 From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rotating Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990721200717.006a9e88@popserver.panix.com>
On 12:33 1999/07/21 -0700, you wrote:
[Paul Cashman] > Jens, the short story you mentioned was "The Hole Man" (and it's > really good). Happily, the entire Earth probably wouldn't be > devoured by a mini black hole "within a few minutes." Its gravity > gradient would be steep but only within a region very close to the > mass -- at least at first. Of course, it would grow steadily....and > devour the Earth in a few hundred to a few thousand years.
Great! A few hundred is no problem. We'll all be gone!! Yipeee! Let's throw a party at Brookhaven and guzzle some tequila and positrons!! :)
(Fascinating stuff.. the "minutes" figure was from the guy's letter in SciAm.. I had this mental picture of the pressure continously pushing new matter close to the singularity? How the hell _do_ you calculate that stuff, anyway!? I tried looking up "gravitational field gradients" in my copy of King James but it wasn't in the index.. so much for the book of truths.)
> Mars and the Asteroid Belt beckon; it's up to us to heed the call.
I agree 100.0% .
[Vaughn, Brandon]
> > Jesus was a gay pedopfile, and very well hung.
> Yeah, I have a question. Did you acquire all this knowledge from first > hand experience?
No fucking way, that would be immoral, or faithless, or something, wouldn't it!?? :)
I got it from the Bible! Let's examplify with the above sentence:
gay => adj. 1. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry
"Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven ..." -- Luke 6:23
"In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit .. " -- Luke 10:21
"And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost." -- Luke 15:6
pedophile => n. 1. A friend of children.
"But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." -- Mark 10:14
hung => v. Past tense and a past participle of hang. hang => tr.v. 1. To fasten from above with no support from below; suspend. crucify => tr.v. 1. To put (a person) to death by hanging from a cross.
"Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst. " -- John 19:18
Etc.
> Funny . . . all these posts are making me wonder more about many of the > claims that everyone keeps bashing. Nobody seems to be bashing Buddha, > or Mohammed. Maybe there is something relevant about all of it after > all . . .
Well, followers of Buddha haven't exactly caused a lot of havoc in the western world. How many Buddhist crusades were there!? "Nobody expects the Buddhist inquisition?"
If you bash Mohammed chances are someone will put a nice, big price tag on your head! :)
> Regardless, Jens the comment about Barney was too much. I have close > contact with him, and he was very insulted that you left him out of the > "gay" list.
You know him!? You tell that fat, purple bastard I love his work!!
--- Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:05:37 EDT From: MentalHunk@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ryche tour dates Message-ID: <7456e60d.24c7e481@aol.com>
did I see someone mention Queensryche tour dates ? my digest was all messed up.....Can someone e-mail them to me or repost them to the jam ? Much thanks
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:27:44 -0400 From: "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Any Oklahoma Jammers in here? Message-ID: <000d01bed3f2$2acee0e0$8b8806d1@tiac.net>
Hey all... Well, tonight was my last night of work in New Hampshire. I am leaving a week from this friday to move to the land of tornados and rodeos... two words that have seldomly ever entered my vocabulary. If you are a jammer from Oklahoma... please contact me. I'd like to chat about the area and where I can go to catch kickass concerts. I'm moving to a land where I know no one, and I could use some company... pitfully yours, Jeremy Jeremy Kube kube@nh.ultranet.com inflammabl@aol.com "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "Sex is death, death is sex, it says it right here on my crucifix" Voices. DT "I love how financial aid offices always figure that you are rich when they decide how much money that you'll get for school." Me 1999
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