YTSEJAM Digest 4987
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4986
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
2) Secrecy of new album . . . come on Mike P. . . tell us why?
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
3) Re: Queensryche tour dates
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
4) Re: Queensryche tour dates
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4985
by Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
6) elydian "T.D. Smith"
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
7) misc
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@cafe.ee>
8) Re: "Summer Breeze"
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
9) Jens "smarter than the average musician" J.
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
10) OK Computer
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4986
by Angelo Lombardi <Angelo13@home.com>
12) Prejudice
by "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com>
13) Re: Prejudice [DTC seekers move on]
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
14) before everyone gets sick of it...
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
15) I let you live...but I gave you life...what else could you do...to do
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:12:38 -0400
From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4986
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990722001238.007a0870@mailhost.vwc.edu>
TD Smith: ::snore::
Get the pole outta your self-righteous ass and get a sense of humor. It'll
do you a world of good, and maybe Jens and Jeremy will quit making an ass
out of you (not that you're not doing a fine job on your own).
You're boring. I think that's the ultimate sin in this place.
Jaime the i-was-here-first Dragon
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http://home.interpath.net/jkimpton/
I thought of us
hard to talk these days
did we change
or were we strangers all along?
I moved ahead
thinking you'd be there
but it changed
and now we're strangers to our past
how did I lose you along the way?
-- October Project
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:31:22 -0500
From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Secrecy of new album . . . come on Mike P. . . tell us why?
Message-ID: <001101bed3fb$0e7a4a20$15c72fd8@brandon>
It is really making me go crazy about all this secrecy about the new album.
You have to wonder if the guys are either:
1) planning something big and want it to be a complete surprise
2) fear fan reaction (or petitions if Met. 2 isn't on there)
3) are upset with how Mike P dishes out info and boots all the time
I guess I wonder . . . take the video Mike took recently at the studios.
Every shot of the band members and it is like, "hi guys, now get out of here
because I'm working on the album and I'm not going to play you anything."
When Mike shows the small glimpse of the track listing of the album, it
almost seems like he forgot he wasn't supposed to reveal anything, and
quickly turns the camera away.
I doubt Mike will give us any hints as to the why of this secrecy . . .
because that would probably give something away.
I just hope it is the 1st reason and not any of the last two.
Nobody has ANY info on this album whatsoever (besides the release date)?
What ever happened to all the people on this list who had the inside word
all the time? Anyone like that still on the list? Or is that a thing of
the past now? (a true shame if it is)
The MadTabber
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:55:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Queensryche tour dates
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990721235204.23751A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
I posted that a day ago. As fast as they went up, they came down because
of people bitching. I do remember some cities:
Las Vegas 2 shows
New York 2 shows
Dallas
Houston
San Antonio
Salt Lake City
Seatle or Spokane
Kansas City
Detroit or Milwakee (or both)
There were about 24 dates, so that can't be all of it. I am in New
Orleans, and they have came here on every tour since their conception.
Hate to ruin a good thing. I found out that DT was here in 92, damn I wish
I was a fan back then.
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******
"I remember Now"
"Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy."
Airheads
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:09:01 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Queensryche tour dates
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990722010617.00aeecf0@po7.mit.edu>
>There were about 24 dates, so that can't be all of it. I am in New
>Orleans, and they have came here on every tour since their conception.
>Hate to ruin a good thing. I found out that DT was here in 92, damn I wish
>I was a fan back then.
>
>Kurt
New Orleans.....now there is a city which really supported DT back in
'92...
oh wait!!! THERE WERE ONLY 40 PEOPLE AT THAT SHOW! The
band was so pissed off, they only played for about 40 minutes...so, I
don't think DT will ever be making it back to N'Orleans any time soon. ;)
-Bogie
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Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:49:50 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4985
Message-ID: <3796B0FE.554B0E8B@siol.net>
>Let me try some Doc and Jens humor: . . . your mama was gay and well
>hung, and your daddy liked to dress up like your mom. The fact you
>exist is an evolutionary fact. You started out as a blob, and are just
>coming into maturity in your monkey stage.
>
>Haaaaa, hhaaaaaa, hooooooo, hummmmmmm, . . .
>
>Wasn't that hilarious?!
>
>NOT!
Oh comon :) that was at least a little bit funny :) *grin*
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:32:22 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: elydian "T.D. Smith"
Message-ID: <199907220632.XAA24851@gms.gmsnet.com>
I figured it out... from the irrational and overblown responses that this
"T.D. Smith" is spouting all over the place... I can only come to one
conclusion, since this is coming from the UK domain... that this is none
other than the group/it/whatever it is that used to be Ice Queen...
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:02:25 +0300 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@cafe.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: misc Message-ID: <199907220702.KAA73291@xyz.internal>
]From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
> I would say this is the official date then! > > ONLY THREE MONTHS TO GO! WHOOOOOOOO > > -Bogie
Bogie, come to think of it, that is not a good thing. I mean, let the album come our way allegro vivace, but, on a sadder note, it means that cold October is only three months away and there won't be that much more of a summer to talk about.
]From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
> of "Summer Breeze" TON originally recorded (with the fucked up lyrics) - > Seals and Crofts' original lyrics are the ones sung on the album TON > released. I only have it on a bootleg (very funny, BTW)...
Kenny Hickey lying on the sidewalk Devil music from the house next door So I step on over his vomit Through the screen and across the floor
Hey, at least it was more entertaining than home cooked philosophy about religion. :-)
As for funny, I can't really say. The alternative lyrics are partly funny (see above), but the end of the song is not by most stretches.
]From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
> Does anyone have any info on the new Type O Negative cd?? What are they > up to, touring, studio, done?? Can't find much info on the net. Most of > the "official" TON pages haven't been updated in 6 or more months..
New album done, at least partly mixed, not mastered, shall be out very soon. A sound clip can be downloaded from:
http://bravedave.com/music/everyoneiloveisdead.mp3
]From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
> Those are some of the most stupid things I think I have ever read.
Read more, post less. Try to catch the seventh wave.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable -- demand the impossible!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: "Summer Breeze" Message-ID: <199907220749.AA05568@crl.crl.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:09:44 -0700 > From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> > To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: RE: When the cat is away, the mice will play.... > Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE7FD@messaging> > > > > Oh, and AL..... I actually like both versions of "Summer Breeze", the > > original as well as TON's cover. > > I'm a HUGE Type O fan, and I wonder if either of you have heard the version > of "Summer Breeze" TON originally recorded (with the fucked up lyrics) - > Seals and Crofts' original lyrics are the ones sung on the album TON > released. I only have it on a bootleg (very funny, BTW)...
That is/was on the "other" version of Bloody Kisses (the one with the two chicks actually kissing as opposed to not-quite). I think it was the digi-pack release. I bought it new, and unwrapped it, and lo and behold, no CD inside.
-- /> Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com /< http://www.crl.com/~vanyel *[\/\/\/\/(*))||<=====================================- \< Starfire Swords Ltd. blacksmithy \> www.starfireswords.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:19:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jens "smarter than the average musician" J. Message-ID: <199907220819.AA06199@crl.crl.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:07:17 -0400 > From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> > Subject: Rotating Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality > > On 12:33 1999/07/21 -0700, you wrote: > > [Paul Cashman] > > Jens, the short story you mentioned was "The Hole Man" (and it's > > really good). Happily, the entire Earth probably wouldn't be > > devoured by a mini black hole "within a few minutes." Its gravity > > gradient would be steep but only within a region very close to the > > mass -- at least at first. Of course, it would grow steadily....and > > devour the Earth in a few hundred to a few thousand years. > > Great! A few hundred is no problem. We'll all be gone!! Yipeee! Let's throw a party at Brookhaven and guzzle some tequila and positrons!! :)
Positrons? Ka-boooom!
> (Fascinating stuff.. the "minutes" figure was from the guy's letter in SciAm.. I had this mental picture of the pressure continously pushing new matter close to the singularity? How the hell _do_ you calculate that stuff, anyway!? I tried looking up "gravitational field gradients" in my copy of King James but it wasn't in the index.. so much for the book of truths.)
I'd probably defer to Dr. Robert L. Forward or James P. Hogan. :) The way I understood it, an MBH is just so amazingly tiny (at least at first) that it would only "suck in" nearby mass (within a few inches at most, if within a solid mass). So, it grows....slowly.....inexorably...
"Hole Man" was a good story but "The Borderland of Sol" might be better: imagine using a captive MBH to act as a point-mass to drop ships (abruptly) out of hyperdrive. Piracy in high space....and funny, there's never a trace of the leftovers. :)
Fascinating stuff indeed. Incidentally, my comments regarding "wooly thinking" and tripe like conspiracy theories and astrology are posted at www.crl.com/~vanyel/beliefs.html.
Damn, I didn't know you read Niven; we'll have to swap some stories next time I see ya on #ytsejam. :)
> Well, followers of Buddha haven't exactly caused a lot of havoc in the western world. How many Buddhist crusades were there!? "Nobody expects the Buddhist inquisition?"
/me looks around nervously at the doors, expecting someone to barge thru at any moment....
> If you bash Mohammed chances are someone will put a nice, big price tag on your head! :)
Hey, don't knock it! Name three people who knew who Salman Rushdie was BEFORE he wrote THE SATANIC VERSES. (His new book, guaranteed not to offend anyone, is called "Buddha You Fat Fuck." :))
(I'm a little bitter about VERSES; a friend's novel was short-listed for England's Booker Prize that same year, but got bumped by a certain somewhat-more-infamous novel. Bleah.)
-- /> Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com /< http://www.crl.com/~vanyel *[\/\/\/\/(*))||<=====================================- \< Starfire Swords Ltd. blacksmithy \> www.starfireswords.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:48:51 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: OK Computer Message-ID: <3796F713.9BCCB940@pacific.net.ph>
Computer...COMPUTER...Hello, computer...
Actually, I thought it might be Radiohead's "OK Computer." Thanks, everyone for responding. Umm...here's another question from the ignorant. I'm not sure if this was discussed already. Sorry if it was. I've been too busy to read the jam in detail--just picking and choosing. Anyway, is that a "concept" album? You've got "Tommy," "The Wall," "The Final Cut." Pretty concept-y stuff accompanying that Radiohead album.
-Rob
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:24:28 -0400 From: Angelo Lombardi <Angelo13@home.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4986 Message-ID: <3796FF6B.237503DE@home.com>
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> > I agree wholeheartedly. Funny that this thread came up only a day after I > > saw "Philadelphia" for the first time. Hee hee.
Hey Brian, is that the movie or the city??? HAHAHA!!!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:29:31 -0700 From: "William Kimbril" <rush1@thedoghousemail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prejudice Message-ID: <GBNHLGGMGOGEAAAA@shared2-mail.whowhere.com>
Hello List,
I usually just lurk, but recently all the bigotry and narrow-mindedness has pulled me from the background. All these people talking about how tolerant they are of other's beliefs, lifestyles, etc. Yeah right! Hypocrites! You are only tolerant if you agree with someone. But mention something that might have a Christian conatation, and everyone is on you like a fly on shit.
Now... About these shits saying Jesus is gay. Just what the hell is your point?! To prove how narrow-minded and vindictive you can be? Do you usually dsplay this lack of tact and manners, or did they let you out wihtout adult supervision this time? I've been on this list for about half a year, and I have yet to see any "gay-bashing". But, there has been a lot of prejudiced feelings against Christians.
The word that comes to mind here is hypocrite; only this time the Christian are the only one that are not behaving that way. Its funny that the people who hate Christians, behave exaclty like they say that Christians do. Stupid, arrogant, close-minded, and vindictive.
Joshua
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:59:53 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prejudice [DTC seekers move on] Message-ID: <379707B9.73FB0508@imap1.asu.edu>
William Kimbril spewed forth like a perpetual Pompeii:
> I usually just lurk, but recently all the bigotry and narrow-mindedness has pulled me from the background.
Welcome to the barbeque! Grab yourself a drink from the cooler!
All these people talking about how tolerant they are of other's beliefs, lifestyles, etc. Yeah right! Hypocrites! You are only tolerant if you agree with someone. But mention something that might have a Christian conatation, and everyone is on you like a fly on shit.
Nah, we just jump on the Christian connotations because the whole religious debate thing is strictly forbidden in the Ytsejam Bill of Unrights that you can find via www.dreamtheater.net. Read it. Know it. It's the LAW. > Now... About these shits saying Jesus is gay. Just what the hell is your point?! To prove how narrow-minded and vindictive you can be? Do you usually dsplay this lack of tact and manners, or did they let you out wihtout adult supervision this time?
Okay, I guess I'll admit it...not everybody has a sense of humor.
I've been on this list for about half a year, and I have yet to see any "gay-bashing". But, there has been a lot of prejudiced feelings against Christians.
Nah dude, this is nothing compared to the shit us old school vets remember (research the ytsejam back logs for the titilating chapter of "Derek's Sexuality") :) I'm sure people are prejudiced against Christians for a lot of strong, motivating reasons. I don't think anybody wants to get into that debate here though...CAN I GET AN AMEN!? > The word that comes to mind here is hypocrite; only this time the Christian are the only one that are not behaving that way. Its funny that the people who hate Christians, behave exaclty like they say that Christians do. Stupid, arrogant, close-minded, and vindictive.
Is that like the old "Everything I say is a lie, and I am not a liar" trick?
Or is it monkey see monkey do?
~Eckie could have taken this to private email but...nah...public argumentation is much more fun. CAN I GET AN AMEN?!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:41:01 +1000 From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: before everyone gets sick of it... Message-ID: <3797115A.3D6FB3DB@alphalink.com.au>
before everyone gets completely sick of the religious/homosexuality debate just a few notes- * Nothing in the world is logical unless your a Christian, and even then that only explains a bit. No one 'lives a life of truth' as I have heard anti-Christians claim to be living. * Its funny how nearly all anti-religion replies are basically stupid, undeducated trash that think they can argue a christian out of his faith. it is also interesting that none of these people seem to have anything that gives them any credit- eg. i was once a christian but then saw the error of my ways, or something else. if you ever actually meet a christian and try and argue against i think your opinions may change substantially, because they basically have an answer to everything. * Whilst I am no expert on homosexuality i think that it is a sort of 'disorder' or whatever you wish to call it. I mean it just doesn't work. However, that is no reason to give homosexuals any less rights as us. If thats the way they are, thats the way they are, and it changes nothing about them. I have h.s. friends, in the same way as i have deaf friends and a friend without an arm. * No i am not Christian. * Dream Theater are cool. * I know this thread should have stopped long ago.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:51:34 +0100 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I let you live...but I gave you life...what else could you do...to do Message-ID: <379713D6.602F2520@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I'm getting tired of this now. It's all because of a fact that has to be > compromised. You can't read a person from one e-mail, of course not. But if > we went around like that, no-one would ever reply.
Wrong. There are actually people in the world who reply to that first e-mail, but have don't jump to conclusions about their character. You're the one that presumed to know Jeremy's character all from that one line. I was making you aware of this mistake. This is not normal for me. You pissed me off :) Sarah's gonna hunt you down! :)))
> But let me get this straight, you're doing exactly the same to me.
Oh stop you're whining. You give what you get. Call me the mirror, my friend.
> You immediately assume I'm a > dick, from one e-mail. I really doing have the time.
I didn't assume you're a dick. Please point out where I said you're a dick. You just needed to be spanked a little :) > > I can out code you drunk! > > Do I give a shit? No, I'm going to just sit and wait for you to stereotype > me again, when I say, I don't drink.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." - Ernest Hemingway
> > And there you have it folks, a control freak :) > > Here he goes again, stereotyping, assuming my whole life from just one > sentence,
How's it feel? Hmmm, think I'll go ask Jeremy :)
> it seems you're naive enough to think it's that easy to know a
*Seems* that way, doesn't it?
> person. Of course you're just going to blame me for doing the same. Did I > ever said I knew what Jeremy was like? I was replying to the e-mail, I > didn't even read his name.
Bummer. This place used to be more like a community, or family, where people actually took the time to notice someone's name. Is this the new world order I've heard so much about?
> You know what, I can't even be bothered to argue with you guys anymore, I
There's just a whole buncha stuff you can't be bothered to do, it seems.
> can only reiterate the same truths. You think I'm narrow minded, I know I'm > not, I think you're narrow minded, you probably know you're not,
Thanks for clearing it all up with the truth.
> now let's all just shut the fuck up.
<saluting> Yes sir :)
> I still think naturally > towards Maths, and I'm still taking a path that leads me into space science.
Bon Voyage :) Should we worry about you re-approaching Earth in a near orbit, anytime soon? :)
I think naturally in terms of comedy. You provide fodder :)
> I think we're on the same side here, just at least listen to everybody's side.
But it appeared that Jeremy's side pissed you off. Or did I misintepret your words?
> And please don't try to slot me into a category of person. I have a habit of > believing one thing, then people try to slot me, then I raise an opinion > against that slot, and they just can't understand, I mean, what the fuck is > that?
It's called showing someone the other side. So I guess it's ok to expect others to see all sides openly when it suits you; but when you're the object of that expectation, it's off-limits.
If you come in with an attitude and then can't be bothered when, at this point, more than one person disagrees with your tactics, then it's no wonder. To use the phrase "pisses me off" in the FIRST reply to an e-mail is strong enough to warrant being called on it. You don't like it, too fucking bad :)
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> > > Jesus was a gay pedopfile, and very well hung.
Jesus saves. But Moses picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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