YTSEJAM Digest 4985
Today's Topics:
1) AWESOME (NDTC)
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
2) New DT Album to be released October 15th
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
3) When the cat is away, the mice will play....
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
4) Re: God Metal and Stratovarius
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
5) RE: When the cat is away, the mice will play....
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
6) Ice-9, Planet X
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4984
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4984
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
9) Planet X is on a collision course for Earth!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) the intelligence of this list
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
11) Discussions lately
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
12) Jens is God
by bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst)
13) Rotating Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality Violation
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
14) Re: Bear Tracks video3
by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph>
15)
by "Jose Luis Ramos" <eramos@ctc-mundo.net>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:22:47 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: AWESOME (NDTC)
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC8F5825@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
I love the jam. All the religion, all the talk on homosexuality, all the
Gloom-and-Doom sayers, and all the rebuttals... this is fucking awesome! I
seriously haven't had this much fun reading the jam in a long long time.
Skadz should go on vacation more often.
Korg: The original post that started the Nostrodamus (sp?) thing was
awesome.
Jeremy: Your rebuttal (in Jam 4981) was just as good.
T.D. Smith: You're on your own, pal.
And to those of you who are spouting epithets about Jesus and homosexuality
and Doug Pinnick: Everyone's give-a-shit factor as to whether or not Doug
takes it in the seat should be a big, fat, ZERO.
Sorry if I'm flogging a dead horse here, but after three jams of reading
this stuff, I had to say something.
Nicholas Giannotti x6745
Joint STARS Contracts
giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:45:35 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New DT Album to be released October 15th
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990721114245.00b11100@po7.mit.edu>
Sebastien, the head of the French fan club, recently posted this
on alt.m.d-t:
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Eastwest has just confirmed the following news:
The new DT album is scheduled for a 15th of October release.
Take care,
Sebastien, from Your Majesty
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I would say this is the official date then!
ONLY THREE MONTHS TO GO! WHOOOOOOOO
-Bogie
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Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/
Featuring the rumors, the news, and over 500 MB of rare DT MP3s!
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:07:47 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: When the cat is away, the mice will play....
Message-ID: <3795F053.B1F63587@home.com>
Just because Mr. Skadz is gone, does that mean we have to revert to this
ridiculous shit on the list? Please people, let's let these topics
die. We all know some of these are real no-no's, so let's act
accordingly. Please.
Oh, and AL..... I actually like both versions of "Summer Breeze", the
original as well as TON's cover.
--- Joe DeAngelo jdeangelo@home.com ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" --------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:07:46 EDT From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: God Metal and Stratovarius Message-ID: <f8485ee0.24c74a52@aol.com>
*At some point earlier in time than this moment Eckie said:
<< ...and threw the guitar out from the garden gate clearing when some dude who didn't believe in the whole "god" thing was walking by and got nailed upside the head, losing an eyeball from the whammy bar's spearing projectory. The pagan was pissed. And the first metalhead was born. >>
/me falls over laughing
Ok, Eckie, that ruled!! :} I'm not gonna touch this topic myself tho with any sized pole thankyouverymuch.
Now for some music content....... Just wanna remind people of the Stratovarius chat thats going on tonight at 22:00 CDT (i believe) on Othernet in #flash. (hopefully i remembered it correctly.) Hope to see some of you there!
~Lisa ~ YtseDrgn on irc ~ ICQ #42437079 ~ http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/index.html "As miserable as life is, I hold it pretty precious." -Henry Rollins
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:09:44 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: When the cat is away, the mice will play.... Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE7FD@messaging>
> Oh, and AL..... I actually like both versions of "Summer Breeze", the > original as well as TON's cover.
I'm a HUGE Type O fan, and I wonder if either of you have heard the version of "Summer Breeze" TON originally recorded (with the fucked up lyrics) - Seals and Crofts' original lyrics are the ones sung on the album TON released. I only have it on a bootleg (very funny, BTW)...
David
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:20:19 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ice-9, Planet X Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC8F582B@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
Jens wrote,
>[ Are there even any bookworms here that know Ice-9 as the topic of a Vonnegut book, and not as a Satriani song? ;) ]
Yup. Good book, too. Suggested reading for anyone.
Speaking of artificially created black holes/singularities, "Event Horizon" had a pretty interesting theoretical background, though the movie in and of itself was disturbing (any movie that has people screaming, in Latin, "Help me I am in Hell" is disturbing, as far as I'm concerned).
Got Planet-X last night. It's one of those challenging discs that makes you think as you're listening to it, sort of like anything that Allan Holdsworth has ever released - apart from his addition to "Play that Funky Music" and his work with Level 42. :) . To me, that's a good thing. Occasionally, I enjoy being challenged by a cd, and this is certainly one that does that. I'm still working on it, but I like what I've heard a *lot* so far.
I also got Poison's Greatest Hits for $7.99 - another CD that's challenging, but in an entirely different way. :)
Nicholas Giannotti x6745 Joint STARS Contracts giannottin@hanscom.af.mil ---------------------------------- Out the token ring, through the router, down the fiber, off a switch, past the firewall, down the T1 ... nothing but Net.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:25:46 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4984 Message-ID: <19990721162547.91255.qmail@hotmail.com>
a note for those who would respond to a seemingly jerky post with an indignant, perhaps evil post of your own....before you hit that "send button", give it one last thought: is it something that the entire jam community needs to read? are you that full of yourself that you need to have that particular thought transmitted to everyone here? if the answer is still yes, please see the title of track 12 on King's X's Dogman album (how ironic, seeing as how this whole thing started with Doug Pinnick) for instructions....
if not, thank you
about the below....of course! cat's cradle, wasn't it?
>problematic in an ice-9 type of way. [ Are there even any bookworms >here >that know Ice-9 as the topic of a Vonnegut book, and not as a >Satriani >song? ;) ]
partha
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:43:19 -0400 From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4984 Message-ID: <000d01bed398$24338b00$9a83cbcf@matts>
Does anyone have any info on the new Type O Negative cd?? What are they up to, touring, studio, done?? Can't find much info on the net. Most of the "official" TON pages haven't been updated in 6 or more months..
indii IM indii 20 icq 20280371
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 10:31:25 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Planet X is on a collision course for Earth! Message-ID: <003d01b819e4$f171e5e0$0201010a@chuck.meserver.com>
>Speaking of artificially created black holes/singularities, "Event Horizon" >had a pretty interesting theoretical background, though the movie in and of
Hey, it has Sam Neill in it, so it can't be that bad (I thought he was a killer Merlin). :) Of course, I think Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" is the armchair cosmologist's best reference guide. I'm tempted to pick up "Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays" but I've heard it's not as reader friendly as ABHoT. -- KorgX3, Junior Cosmologist NP: Angra - Fireworks
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:07:07 -0500 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the intelligence of this list Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C68B33C@chipola.cc.fl.us>
Spewing forth their vast amounts of wisdom, The Doc and Jens farted out:
>Jesus was gay... that's why he never got laid... > >-The Doc
>I thought these FACTS were thoroughly established: Moses was gay. Adam and Eve were gay. Jesus >was a gay pedopfile, and very well hung. God was, and is, REALLY gay. The Holy Spirit completes >the trinity. John the Baptist was a pedofile. The Virgin Mary was into watersports. The Bible >is a book. Dogma makes simple moral rules, and makes us hate, torture and kill our fellow human >beings. Barney is both a dinosaur, and a man in dinosaur suit. The present (very gay) Pope >likes kielbasas but disapproves of women in the clergy. Any questions?
Yeah, I have a question. Did you acquire all this knowledge from first hand experience? Nostradamus must have taken over your bodies and taken you back in time with Bill and Ted to find out such historical "facts."
Come on guys . . . you can't think of anything better?
Those are some of the most stupid things I think I have ever read. I guess it is some lame attempt at trying to piss everyone off . . . those who hold to a religious faith or those who are gay. If I were religious (which I'm not) or gay (which I'm not), I would find both of your posts totally tasteless and uncalled for. Being that I'm neither, I don't really care. But I still think your "humor" is just too great to constantly share with us normal people on this list.
Let me try some Doc and Jens humor: . . . your mama was gay and well hung, and your daddy liked to dress up like your mom. The fact you exist is an evolutionary fact. You started out as a blob, and are just coming into maturity in your monkey stage.
Haaaaa, hhaaaaaa, hooooooo, hummmmmmm, . . .
Wasn't that hilarious?!
NOT!
Funny . . . all these posts are making me wonder more about many of the claims that everyone keeps bashing. Nobody seems to be bashing Buddha, or Mohammed. Maybe there is something relevant about all of it after all . . .
Regardless, Jens the comment about Barney was too much. I have close contact with him, and he was very insulted that you left him out of the "gay" list. Barney may be shunned by the Gay and Lesbian organizations, but considers himself a proud card-carrying member. He told me to convey that he has a bone to give to . . . uh . . . er . . to pick with you if he ever runs into . . . umm . . if he ever meets you.
The MadTabber
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:38:02 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Discussions lately Message-ID: <4.1.19990721132326.00ce4d50@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
>Hey all... > >Am I the only lurker on this list who feels a few threads are irrelevant to >the topic of this list? >
no, I'm one too..but if you notice most threads have no bearing to the topic of the list...
>This kind of stuff has been going on for a while, and I realize it's easy to >spout off a quick and impassioned reply when somebody posts something that >doesn't agree with you, or when somebody insults a good friend of yours. >That's easy to do, and I admit I've done that a time or ten in my younger >years. >
so why are you doing it now???
>Just because Skadz is in Ireland for 2 weeks (lucky guy) doesn't mean the >list has to fall to pieces. I don't think I'm going to ruffle too many >feathers by making a few suggestions to everyone: > >1. Grow up a little.
I don't want to grow up, I'm a Toys 'r' Us Kid....
>b. Think before you post anything. Ask yourself if the rest of the list >needs to see it.
I'm thinking, naaa...my head hurts, better not try to do that again....
>4. Private email is a *wonderful* way to reply to something that is either >controversial or not relevant to the list. >
Yeah, but who reads their private e-mail??? Not me, I filter it out because I get so much crappy spam....
>I'm not going to name names and start condenming people, but you guys know >who you are. These kinds of discussions (flame wars?) are usually something >that most mature adults should know how to avoid. They're not constructive, >they bring down the rest of the list, they can be hurtful... and most of all, >they aren't supposed to be here. >
Yeah, but they're fun....
>This is a place for discussion of music, Dream Theater, and topics relevant >to that. Doug Pinnick's sexual preferences aren't relevant. Neither are the >ramblings of Nostradamus or the construction of space probes, as intriguing >and thought-provoking as they tend to be. And definitely not the outright >accusations and insults that have been flying lately. We should know better >than this by now. >
Well, being as most Dream Theater topics such as Kevin Moore, Derek Sherinian, or whatever else are banned and deemed not fit to be discussed, you have discussions that degenerate into this....The Nostradamus thing I had no problem with...go do your preaching to the Bible-thumper who said Doug Pinnick was gay and it was sad....wonder if he knows that his band Dream Theater is a heavy metal band, and that heavy metal is considered to be the devil's music??? He may decide to disregard that, but he decides to keep his own prejudices and hide them behind his religious curtain....
>As members of the Ytsejam mailing list, representing and discussing the band >known as Dream Theater with the rest of the internet community, and >representing a new 'standard' of music for people to appreciate, we need to >set a standard for maturity and intelligent list content. People are >watching us (not just the men in black suits, mind you) and we need to >collectively wise up. Heck, our own band members watch us. Anybody care to >ask Mike what he would think of some of the stuff that's been posted lately? >Ever wondered why the rest of the band doesn't get involved with the list >more?
Maybe because they're busy and have lives unlike us who spend time talking about religion, Nostradamus, homosexuality, and the rules of the YtseJam...
> >There is indeed a reason why Skadz set up the listserver to keep the headers >and e-mail addresses of the senders of the posts you see. It doesn't take 15 >seconds to change the "To:" field when you're replying to something >off-topic. Please learn this. >
No, it doesn't take 15 seconds, just 2 seconds, but it's still too much effort....
best way, if you don't like the threads, don't contribute to them..they'll eventually die down...best thing for you to do if you want other discussion is for you to start another thread....
np: Queen-Greatest Hits (In honor of all our Gay Bashers, one of the greatest bands of all time, damn Freddie Mercury could sing his ass off!!!!)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:46:25 -0500 From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jens is God Message-ID: <199907211846.NAA12929@mail.busprod.com>
It came to me in a vision. I used to think that he was just a keyboard player....
>Maybe it isn't the absence of personal beliefs that would make this >world a better place.
Maybe its the absence of educated beliefs that make this world so fucking ludicrous?
------ (ob dtc to avoid wrath of Skadz)
can anyone name all the cds in "inspiration corner" there are a couple I'm not familiar with?
bruce bforst@busprod.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rotating Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality Violation Message-ID: <199907211924.AA18150@crl.crl.com>
Oh dear God in heaven (or not).... Someone invoked Niven. :)
Jens, the short story you mentioned was "The Hole Man" (and it's really good). Happily, the entire Earth probably wouldn't be devoured by a mini black hole "within a few minutes." Its gravity gradient would be steep but only within a region very close to the mass -- at least at first. Of course, it would grow steadily....and devour the Earth in a few hundred to a few thousand years.
Say, this could work wonders for NASA's future budget. "Wanna escape before it's too late? Tell your Congresscritter to support a BIG NASA budget increase NOW!" :)
With the 30-year anniversary of the first Moon landing passing yesterday, it's a crying shame we haven't gone a bit farther by now. Mars and the Asteroid Belt beckon; it's up to us to heed the call.
-- /> Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com /< http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ: 4151223 *[\/\/\/\/(*))||<=====================================- \< Starfire Swords Ltd. blacksmithy \> www.starfireswords.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:18:40 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" <rojurado@pacific.net.ph> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bear Tracks video3 Message-ID: <37963930.3AEDF0CA@pacific.net.ph>
In "Inspiration Corner" what's the CD after Roger Waters' "Amused to Death"?
-Rob
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:47:02 -0400 From: "Jose Luis Ramos" <eramos@ctc-mundo.net> To: "Juan y Rosa" <jcatyrmc@ctcinternet.cl>, Message-ID: <00d101bed3b1$ea2de120$3ee31cc8@default>
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