YTSEJAM Digest 4881
Today's Topics:
1) Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
2) Ytsejam going to the new server...
by "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
3) Re: PI
by Diablo6491@aol.com
4) Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
by JamesAhab@aol.com
5) about chords
by shams <shams@drik.net>
6) fake shocks
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
7) Blockbuster/EW's article on prog rock
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
8) Re: Blockbuster/EW's article on prog rock
by JamesAhab@aol.com
9) Next Superior mp3
by basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de
10) Now hear this: NHT -= Doh!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
11) MIME test
by "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de>
12) What if DT was celebrity? :)
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
13) Speaker extravaganza!
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
14) Re: Death; Jam content
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
15) LTE 2 for $6.19
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
16) Music Psychology (was Re:Kids 'n' MTV)
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
17) Re: fake shocks
by Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
Message-ID: <19990602034114.25988.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com>
--- Josh Calkin <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> wrote:
> Example: my girlfriend HATED DT for the first year
> I was listening to
> them. Now she sings along to most of it and gets
> jealous when I can make
> it to a clinic and she can't. Her explanation?
> "After I hear songs
> enough times I just start to like them, I dunno
> why."
I remember that I started to dig Hank Williams, Jr
after my brother constantly played it for me. I'm
still not a big fan, but I do enjoy certain songs as
they have an emotional attachment to me. It sounds
weird, I know, but there ya go. Those songs remind me
of a different time of my life and that's why I like
them. I don't regard Hank Jr in the same league as
Zeppelin or DT or Pearl Jam or anything.
===
*Trent
"I couldn't breathe, holdin' me down.
Hand on my face, pushed to the ground.
Enmity gauged, united by fear.
Forced to endure what I could not forgive."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:06:00 -0400
From: "J." <kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Ytsejam going to the new server...
Message-ID: <000d01beacad$3a2e8700$04b3b4cf@tiac.net>
Hey Skadz,
Does the jam cost you money to run or is free to you? This jam has been
such an important part of my life.. although I do not post as much as I did
before, however, does it cost you to run it?
Jeremy Kube
kube@nh.ultranet.com
inflammabl@aol.com
"This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in
"Clerks"
"Sex is death, death is sex, it says it right here on my crucifix" Voices.
DT
"I love how financial aid offices always figure that you are rich when they
decide how much money that you'll get for school." Me 1999
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:15:10 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: PI
Message-ID: <871b44b1.248609ce@aol.com>
I saw "The Matrix" 4 times. I think it was probably one of the best
movies of the past several years. It destoryed anything esle I'VE seen
atleast. Nothing comes close. The only movie I liked better is Robin Hood:
Prince of Thieves which will remain my alltime favorite forever:>
RaY
np: God Lives UnderWater , Happy?
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:37:28 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: MTV's bombardment of the masses
Message-ID: <8cb3938e.24860f08@aol.com>
>< >If you hear enough of something, you will like it. It's not
`brainwashing.`
>this is not hard to understand. people are too easy to influence. i've seen
>it happen too many times.
Hearing something 5,000,000 times does NOT equate with liking it; in my
experience it's more likely to go the other way, in fact. ><
So you're not as impressionable as most people. But a lot of people *will*
like a song if they hear it enough. Example: my brother's friend listens to
Pantera. My brother absolutely hates them. But he watches some wrestling show
and they play the song `Walk` a lot. All of a sudden he loves that song, but
he hates anything else by Pantera.
I hate that type of attitude. Anyway, the reason you didn't like the country
music that you were exposed to so much is probably because you already knew
that you didn't like most country music. It's different when you're talking
about an entire genre. Sit some 14-year old kid down who listens to Rob
Zombie, Korn and Orgy and make him listen to any rap over and over and he'll
hate it no matter what. But if you play him the latest Korn rip-off a bunch
of times, he'll love it.
People decide what type of music they listen to...MTV decides *who* they
listen to.
And the radio and the labels. MTV deserve all of the blame, but a damn lot of
it.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:13:43 +0600
From: shams <shams@drik.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: about chords
Message-ID: <3754BD85.51315C98@drik.net>
hi all!
About leagal and illigal chords, we have a song where our key boardinst is holding
a Am and Gm at the same time. it's hard for me as a guitarist to hold that one
'cuz I need to hold six notes at the same time so I refer to it by Am7b9 or at
times Am4th7th and at the 5th position, it works with the keyboard fairly well.
When I asked the keyboardist about what made him go for such an oddity, he just
gave me a blank smile and said he thought it sounded cool (specially with the flat
9 th vibe)
So, that's the main thing! As long as it sounds cool/OK it's never illigal (in
music or art to be frank). most people thought Steve Vai went overboard with the
dramatic ending of 'For the love of God' and a lot hated the 'Ya Yo Gak'. One of
my students came in yesterday with the alien CD that he borrowed from me and said
YYG was the best thing he's ever heard and he's taped a whole 30 side of a tape
with just that ;-)
The bottom line is we do not condemn others when they like red/hot food or
blonds/cars what not so why with music?
-just my thoughts
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:27:18 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: fake shocks
Message-ID: <3754C0B6.96FE555D@bigfoot.com>
>The other test was about the students getting increasing electric
shocks for
>answering questions wrongly until they were writhing in pain. But on
>reflection I don't think that's relevant to the discussion yet...
They were fake shocks. Here's what happened: The experimenters put an ad
in the paper, offering some cash for a day of sitting in a room,
answering questions. When subjects got to the room, they would discovers
that as "part of the experiment", someone is behind a wall, strapped
down, heard but not seen, and this unseen victim, they are told, will be
shocked whenever the subject answers wrong or refuses to answer.
There were no shocks. The "victim" was an actor. The experiment was to
see if, once the subject had taken the day's pay and free meals or
whatever, would still honor his obligation even though he would be
taking part in the suffering of another.
The scientests, as part of the experiment, would badger and yell at the
guy, telling him that they'd paid him and he couldn't leave now, and who
did he think he was, and so on.
I guess they were good at that, because as far as I know, most of the
subjects would end up staying, choosing not to dishonor their
obligation.
oh yeah - that black-spiked hair chick IS different from the
close-cropped red/brown haired vixen in the country ad.
osh kosh b'josh
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:22:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Blockbuster/EW's article on prog rock
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990602011703.15835A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Hey all, great idea, but my manager I don't think would go for it. I
would love to do it when someone else is there. I'll ask some ass
manager's about it.
Anyway, while I was bored at work one day and not being productive(gasp)
I came across and Entertainment weekly article about prog rock. they
hailed Ben Folds Five as the leaders of the genre and talked about how
they were going to lead Prog into the next century. Fucking BEN FOLDS
FIVE. My god, the compared to Yes. The other bands I can remeber being
mentioned were Genesis (cool) nad TSO. Nowhere did they mention that TSO
is Savatage because if your band originated in the 80's you are
condemened. I am glad I am the only person I know (besides all my friends
in Ytseland) that dig DT. I saw a guy in the mall with a FII shirt one
day. Other than that, no one.
Ysteland- A DT theme park? Hmm.....
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******
"I remember Now"
"Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy."
Airheads
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:39:36 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Blockbuster/EW's article on prog rock
Message-ID: <a33a7724.24862ba8@aol.com>
>< Anyway, while I was bored at work one day and not being productive(gasp)
I came across and Entertainment weekly article about prog rock. they hailed
Ben Folds Five as the leaders of the genre and talked about how they were
going to lead Prog into the next century. Fucking BEN FOLDS FIVE. ><
What's wrong with Ben Folds? They're no Dream Theater and they're certainly
not "going to lead Prog into the next century." So? Is that a crime?
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:16:02 +0200
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Next Superior mp3
Message-ID: <9906020715.AA19536@krzsun.med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
Hi!
Ok... next one up... this one is a big one...
It's a medley of Angie (Rolling Stones) and Hotel California (Eagles)
performed (as always) on the acoustic tour of Superior in February
99. In my opinion this was one of the best songs we did there.
Have a look at the samples section at http://www.free-minded.de/
The next Superior newsletter will be out soon!
Bye
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For information about Superior have a look at:
http://www.truemetal.org/superior
http://www.fine.de/superior
http://www.noiserecords.com
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Why be normal?
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:24:54 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Now hear this: NHT -= Doh!
Message-ID: <3754DC46.6AEB2081@isd.net>
WOW! I see I've sparked some interest with the audio thread. :)
Steve Johnson wrote:
>Al the Progtologist! please e-mail me ASAP (steve.johnson@mcd.com).....Just
>today a friend asked me what I knew about Rotel. All I know is what I've
Take a peek on Rotel's page: http://www.rotel.com/
If you wish to discuss this in greater detail, call me on my cell-phone after
8:00 PM CDT. Don't worry, it's free (for me) after 8:00 pm. :) (612) 805-6640
You can call as late as you like, I'm usually up until 4:00 AM or so.. If I'm up,
I'll have the phone on.
Jason Breitweg wrote:
>The also had a complete Rotel system including an amplifier and a
>RCD-951 (I think) CD player and a small pair of B&W speakers (what I
>would call a bookshelf model speaker) for 999DM (roughly $550). Is
>this a deal? Does Rotel also make good amps?
Yes that's a deal, and yes, Rotel makes great amps for the price.
As far as CD players go... If you can afford it, go for the RCD-971.
As great as the RCD-951 is, the 971 really is a more substantial
machine. BTW, B&W kicks ass! Especially their larger stuff.
I can't say enough about this company. Rotel is one of the FEW companies
that puts "sound" first, and sells at a reasonable price. I would also put most
of the newer Adcom gear in the same category. The Rotel CD players have an
edge on the Adcom players, keep that in mind.. In the amplifier and preamp
department, the playing field is fairly level.
Go for the separate amp/preamp if you can spare the change, the versatility
is far greater than the integrated amps. However, sonically speaking, the
integrated amps are miles ahead of mass marketed receivers.
As a rule, avoid the "bottom" models of any company, they usually maximize compromises
in order to keep the costs down. In some cases, the lower models
can benefit from "trickle-down-technology." The more hi-end'ish the company, the
more likely that's where the cost savings came from. Not a bad thing.
Go out and listen to the stuff with YOUR music, and make sure to kick the
sales-person out of the room. Most stores will respect your RIGHT to listen
without the interruptions of some jackass tootin' his/her horn. (OK, so it's a
little tougher for her) Initially, go ALONE, if it requires the final nod from
the "Warden," take her/him later. And make sure to kiss some serious ass!
Don't bring a friend(s), you'll find their input counterproductive in most cases.
NEVER BUY ON A WHIM! Do your homework before purchasing, the stuff will
still be there. The Net can be a great source of info if you know where to look.
As funny as this may sound... Look at the weight. Chassis integrity is VERY
important in CD players, and it certainly can be an indicator as to how well
the preamp or amp is built. Flimsy chassis's can cause the printed circuit
boards to flex when being moved, and resonate with the vibrations that
accompany louder music. This is a BAD thing! :) Circuit traces and solder
joints are amazingly unforgiving to either condition.
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:37:22 +0200
From: "Gallop, Neil" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: MIME test
Message-ID: <005355AD0596D211B4F30000F81B0D32B859DB@daemsg01.software-ag.de>
Hi all
a certain member of the list informs me that my mails
to him are now free of all the MIME crap that our
in-house mailing system insisted on producing. So I'm
now sending this as a little test to see whether the
list accepts my stuff, and also to inform you that
some more reviews will be on their way soon:
BLIND PASSANGERS - Bastard
BONGZILLA - Stash
POTHEAD - Fairground
OK, hope this little test works (don't be too pissed
off with me if your screens are full of crap).
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com)
Currently playing: PINK FLOYD - Atom Heart Mother
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:15:34 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: What if DT was celebrity? :)
Message-ID: <37545B86.C03F9221@mol.com.mk>
That TRENT jammer said that he likes DT being anonymous!
Until then I disagreed, but I thought a little after it.
Would we be happy if we start seeing DT all day long on MTV, radios,
dude on a street approach you and offers you to buy the brand new
textbooks with DT covers, DT chewing gums, DT basyball sticks, DT balls,
JLB promoting the brand new AXE after shave 'n stuff, Petrucci opens
with "Star Spangled Banner" this year's chess competition in errr,
LA?... You get the idea! ;o)
Nah, I woulds skip it and would prefer this way.
--
CyberDuke
"Now that I know that I'm breaking to pieces
I'll Pull out my heart and I'll feed it to anyone
Crying for sympathy crocodile cry for the love of
the crowd and the three cheers from everyone ..."
The Cure - Disintergration
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:36:44 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Speaker extravaganza!
Message-ID: <3754FB2C.2B37DE46@isd.net>
Jason Breitweg wrote:
>Anyway is it possible to buy a very nice set of speakers that are only
>about 1-2 feet tall? I don't have that much space right now but I
Absolutely!
>want something good that I will be able to use later when I get a
>bigger place. Or are all bookshelf speakers crap? What brand/model
>should I look for?
My first choices would be: B&W - Clements - Paradigm - Magnapan -Vandersteen -
NHT - Snell Acoustics - Velodyne - Thiel - Mordaunt Short - Jamo, and Tannoy.
http://www.bwspeakers.com/
http://www.clements-prc.com/
http://www.paradigm.ca/
http://www.magnepan.com
http://www.vandersteen.com/
http://www.nhthifi.com/
http://www.snellacoustics.com/
http://velodyne.com/
http://www.thielaudio.com/
http://www.mordaunt-short.com/mordauntshort/Mordaunt1/welcome.htm
http://www.jamospeakers.com/
http://www.tannoy.com/
If you have an amp that can deal with a very low impedance speaker load,
Take a look at the Magnapan "MMG's" http://www.magnepan.com/magdeal.html
The baby Maggies are not bass monsters, but S W E E T mids & highs. At the
promotional $500.00 per pair, they CAN'T be beat.
BTW, NO small speaker could be classified as a "bass monster."
Have fun with the links!
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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"It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Death; Jam content
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990602025911.10458A-100000@line.cds.caltech.edu>
On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Jeremy Smirnov" <coworker@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Hello, I have been lurking here for the past year or so, but this is my
> first post... Not much to say for now, except for some news... For those of
> you who know a band called Death.... Well, looks like the lineup has changed
Yeah, I heard this too. According to the latest news from Nuclear Blast
America, though, recording for the Control Denied CD is finished. Line-up
is the same as the last Death CD. I think I read this on the NBA website
not too long ago.
> again... No details are given out yet, but that may delay the next Control
> Denied project release date. I hope Richard Christy (drums) is still in.
Yeah, me too. But even if Christy gets axed, he's still listed as a
tentative drummer for the next Spastic Ink CD. So, there's a good shot
we'll hear him behind the kit again.
In other news:
I also noticed the quality of postings on this list go up recently. I
thought it was interesting that this seemed to happen pretty much right
after the mailing list server took a fart a few weeks ago. I dunno if
anybody else noted this, but there was a period of a few days after the
server-fart where list traffic was pretty light. About one digest every
one or two days, I think. Now, I'd say the Jam is back at full speed, and
the improvement in its content is dramatic.
What I'm getting at is: next time all hell breaks loose on this list, and
we start getting flame-wars, stupid threads, people complaining about the
flame-wars and stupid threads, and other people complaining about the
people complaining about the...well, maybe somebody should just pull the
plug on the server for a few days.
Hehehe...you never know, this might even be a good idea:).
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:48:59 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE 2 for $6.19
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F4293@ms.kallback.com>
CDnow has LTE 2 for $11.19
Use this $5 coupon:
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=from=meb:y:cym:sgpg:a0004
/leaf=from=sr-726841
ok, you have to add shipping, but it's still a deal.
Trevor
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:04:10 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Music Psychology (was Re:Kids 'n' MTV)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021254430.30505-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO) wrote:
> A child is brought into a room where there are six other children sitting
<snip>
> turn. In around 80% of cases, the child also says 'seven'.
Actually this isn't only true for children, but also for adults. In a
similar experiment adults (students) had to name colours, which could be
green or blue. In the beginning of each session the first few colours
where named correctly by the pseudo-subject, and of course by the real
subject (who was positioned in the one-but last seat). Then the fake
subjects started to make more and more unanimous mistakes, and in most of
the cases our subject followed them and called green blue or vice-versa.
Even in groups of only three persons (two 'fakes', and one 'true') these
results were obtained.
However, there appeared to be one thing that could remedy this severe form
of social pressure: when the fake subjects didn't make a mistake
unanimously, i.e. one of them gave a correct answer, most of the subjects
gave a correct answer too. Thus it is possible to conclude that if you
have one person with a similar opinion, there is more chance that you will
express your own opinion, even in case of a big majority with an opposiung
view.
I guess that as long as we DT-fans have the Ytsejam to keep in touch with
each other, we will keep spreading the word!:-)
Cheers
Zaphod
|Peter Geerts "...And for an encore, Man |
|zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be proved that black is white |
|ICQ: 13122363 (weekend) and got himself killed on |
|Political Science Student the next zebra crossing..."|
|Leuven University, Belgium (Douglas Adams) |
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:10:22 +0200 (CEST)
From: Peter Geerts <zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: fake shocks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021308180.30505-100000@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be>
On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Joshua Rasiel wrote:
> I guess they were good at that, because as far as I know, most of the
> subjects would end up staying, choosing not to dishonor their
> obligation.
As far as _I_ know, the main conlusion of that experiment was that the
subject were 'electroshocking' the fake subjects for a surprisingly long
time. Only when the 'victim' started to yell and screamed in pain, most of
them quit the experiment.
Cheers
Zaphod
|Peter Geerts "...And for an encore, Man |
|zaphod@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.ac.be proved that black is white |
|ICQ: 13122363 (weekend) and got himself killed on |
|Political Science Student the next zebra crossing..."|
|Leuven University, Belgium (Douglas Adams) |
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