YTSEJAM Digest 4891
Today's Topics:
1) Ben Folds Five
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
2) LTE Sound
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
3) FII sound
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
4) Dark Angel
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
5) Re: FII sound
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) RE: FII gain?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
7) 3 card full monte
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
8) Horns n' stuff
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
9) Death, Aghora
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
10) RE: Horns n' stuff
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
11) Re: Death, Aghora
by Jim Lenart <Sorrowed@postmark.net>
12) Re: ACOS in BACKORDER on CD Now?
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) ICED EARTH
by JKorby1973@aol.com
14) dark angel
by Thurman Alexander <oenone@mindspring.com>
15) Re: ACOS in BACKORDER on CD Now?
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
16) Re: FII sound
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
17) Dark Death is Forbidden
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
18) New THRESHOLD Interview
by fateswarm _ <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
19) All you "horn"-y people
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:16:29 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Ben Folds Five
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498093F4@messaging>
Did any other AZ Ytsejammers attend the Ben Folds Five show at Club Rio last
night? It was pretty solid - Ben Folds is a PDG pianist, with a decently
unique style. He broke a piano string halfway through the show, and the
band did an improv jam while Ben made up words about how he didn't mean to
be so destructive and how he didn't know his own strength - pretty damn
funny... :)
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:31:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: LTE Sound
Message-ID: <19990607193117.8427.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
>
>and
>oversampled digital audio. FII could have sounded
even >better if they
>wouldn't have cranked the gain button so much. Lot of
>oversampling
>there...
>
>Steffen
>
]From my understanding, Kevin Shirley uses analog to
record. The digital distortion had to have come from
the mastering facility.
tb
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:45:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: FII sound
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990607144249.15286A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
I also think that is best mixed/recorded sounding album. It sounds a lot
richer than anything else. IAW sounds a little dry (IE Megadeth Rust in
Peace) and Awake is very digital sounding (that's the only way I can
describe it)
Another thing, what's up with the snare in BMS? It has a lot higher pitch
than anything else on FII. Listen to it, you'll see what I mean.
Kurt
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:53:04 EDT
From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Dark Angel
Message-ID: <19990607195305.55066.qmail@hotmail.com>
Jeremy:
I happen to have both Darkness Descends and Time Does not Heal and don't
understand how people listen to any Dark Angel other than Time Does Not
Heal. Earlier stuff is like a typical Slayer rip-off. =)
Jason:
What?!?.....im not sure how old you are but you need to check some
dates...the original Ep "We have Arrived" was released around the same time
as "Show no Mercy"
And as far as being original if you do some checking you will find that DA
are the originators of the death metal "look it up and see what it means"
lyrics ;>
Slayers stuff is straight forward and IMO very different from Dark Angel
Do you work for MTV?? ;> just kidding
Oh and BTW i second that! Fuck Posers!!!
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 14:01:16 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: FII sound
Message-ID: <001601b7f76e$931a1000$0201010a@chuck>
>Peace) and Awake is very digital sounding (that's the only way I can
>describe it)
Now, I only have one other disc that Baron and Purdell produced and that's
Ozzy's No More Tears album. What's funny is that when you listen to that
one it sounds the same as Awake. Most producers have like a "fingerprint"
sound that they employ when putting all of the pieces together. Shirley
seems to not have one so much and just go with his gut on what would sound
best. I honestly think both albums (Awake and FII) were magnificently
produced. I think Awake's one of the cleanest production albums I've ever
heard while FII has the best recreation of a live setting. I can't say that
either is better, but I honestly prefer Awake's production over FII's.
Just my two smurfs.
-- KorgX3 would like a phone line in his new apartment.------------------------------
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: FII gain? Message-ID: <19990607202119.21328.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com>
David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> wrote:
> I guess it's common knowledge that this has to do with how the CD is > mastered.
I don't know if it's common knowledge, but we'll take your word on it. ;o) I have heard many times that digital recording is very sensitive to pushing the levels too high.
But this brings to mind another question I've had since FII came out. On You Not Me, it always seemed that the cymbals had a lot of "wow and flutter" to them. I never knew if this was a problem or a desired effect. Does anyone know if this the result of digital recording/mastering or was it a sound that they wanted to get?
BH
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:37:10 PDT From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: 3 card full monte Message-ID: <19990607203710.31686.qmail@hotmail.com>
More iron maiden observations, as i'm in a total maiden kick right now....their self-titled may be better than "Killers", for me, anyway....no wonder dianno got canned afterwards.....
blaze bayley utterly sucks....got virtual XI, and thhe album is soooooo ridiculously lifeless....threw in piece of mind afterwards, and the difference is staggering.....
dtc-time: to date, there is scant little info as to how the DT album is coming along/turning out, other than MP's comments (see UACM, cuz i don't recall exactly what he said).....i do know one thing I'll be wondering about once the disc does finally come out: how would it have been different with Derek Sherinian on board.....
Planet X is freakin' amazing, think a Dream Theater/Finneus Gage mix for a very very generalized description, some stunning fusion stuff mixed in with straight rock sensibilities....more to my tastes than LTE, but that's just my opinion....
and here's one more opinion, while I'm at it.....Virgil Donati has, after one single listen to this disc, duly been nominated for drum god status in my head.....
for those of you leftcoasters lucky enough to see the PX shows......care to refresh me what you thought about Donati? I kinda skimmed those reviews, because i (to be shamefacedly honest) was rather dismissive at the thought of a sherinian solo disc.....
I apologize
partha
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:14:23 +0200 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Horns n' stuff Message-ID: <000201beb131$f26a01e0$62882fc3@flskesteg>
Hi, there! If you want horns in your music, try some ska (ie The Mighty Mighty Bosstones). It may be a little pop'ish but, hell, it's got horns. And who the *beep* is doing all the junkmail? I *beep*ing *beep* people who *beep* *beep*ing junkmail, *beep*! Sorry, I guess I just watch too much Jerry Springer.
Take care now, bye-bye then Simon Long Krogh
NP: Symphony X - Candlelight Fantasia
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Death, Aghora Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990607144058.3042D-100000@swing.cds.caltech.edu>
On Mon, 7 Jun 1999 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Jeremy Smirnov" <coworker@ix.netcom.com> > > intense as Human, but I do NOT jusge a drummer by his double bass work. I > used to when I was in high school. Not anymore. Thats why most death metal > bands do nothing for me nowadays. However what I thought was cool with Yeah, I hear ya. The only death stuff I have is Death, Cynic, and Atheist. I have a lot of trouble finding other death bands whose CDs I'd actually like to buy.
> Reinert on Human is how he used cymbals OVER his double bass work. I also Actually, this isn't the thing that first jumped about at me about Reinert's playing on Human. One is his execution. It's very smooth and precise. You might even say polished. This is really obvious during his fills, but also in some of the faster double-bass patterns. Very machine-like. I dunno what you can draw from this, 'cept maybe that he practices like a motherfucker. The other thing is use of ghost-strokes. The very first time I listened to this album, his drumming jumped out at me as unusual, for a metal CD. He made it work beautifully, though, and I was more or less mesmerized the first few listens. It's very much like Chris said. Fucking genius. Heh...I'm having trouble remembering more of the details of this album. I haven't heard it since I lost my cassette copy. What a classic.
> don't think he is better than the later two drummers for Death. I like > Hoglan's patterns and his use of cannon shells. =) And I think Christy can Cannon shells. What the hell are those anyway? I saw those in the liner notes for Symbolic, along with something about a "M-14 propeller" or some shit like that. Haven't a clue what they are. Which tracks does he use them on?
> be messy sometimes, but can pull off more shit than anyone else when he IS > successful doing it. I saw him live with Death (unfortunately the ONLY Death > show I have seen) and he blew me away. He did drop sticks about 5 times in > the middle off some fills. But let me assure you, the man is INSANE. He did > a 7+ minute drum solo which unfortunately lacked in the structure dept, but > was PURE technique. Amazing to hear that shit. Again, nothing against Heh. It's nice to find out what he's actually like live. I love hearing Christy play on Perseverance mainly cuz he's got a rather ambitious style behind the kit. The kind of style where, within any 2-minute span on the CD, he hits everything on his kit. Very dense, very elaborate playing style. You might even call it overplaying. Granted, this can get old after a few minutes, but it doesn't on this CD. Not sure how exactly, but Christy manages to sound manic and tasteful at the same time. *shrug* Maybe it's just me. It's very similar to the kind of thing that grabbed me about Donati's playing in the Planet X show. Anyway, Christy does enough with his hands that it actually took me a while to get around to listening more closely to his double-bass work, and I noticed that there's a note off here and there. Those are the only types of mistakes I've been able to catch, though. Anything else I'm missing?
> Reinert, I think he's an awesome drummer. I only heard two samples of > Gordian Knot on the net, so I cant judge, but I liked his work with Death > the best. Again, NOT to diss Cynic which is in its own category..... BTW > Does anyone know where to get Aghora???
Go to: http://www.veilmaya.org/aghora/ It's got all the info on this band, including how to order their demo CD.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:19:01 -0700 From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Horns n' stuff Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498093F5@messaging>
Never thought I'd see the Mighty Mighty Bosstones and Symphony X mentioned favorably in the same e-mail... :)
David Dixon, MCP Consultant E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Long Krogh [SMTP:finn2@get2net.dk] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 3:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Horns n' stuff > > > Hi, there! > If you want horns in your music, try some ska (ie The Mighty Mighty > Bosstones). It may be a little pop'ish but, hell, it's got horns. > And who the *beep* is doing all the junkmail? I *beep*ing *beep* people > who > *beep* *beep*ing junkmail, *beep*! Sorry, I guess I just watch too much > Jerry Springer. > > Take care now, bye-bye then > Simon Long Krogh > > NP: Symphony X - Candlelight Fantasia
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:40:06 +0000 From: Jim Lenart <Sorrowed@postmark.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Death, Aghora Message-ID: <m10r83q-000eZ3C@postmark.dmf.net>
> > > don't think he is better than the later two drummers for Death. I like > > Hoglan's patterns and his use of cannon shells. =) And I think Christy can > Cannon shells. What the hell are those anyway? I saw those in the liner > notes for Symbolic, along with something about a "M-14 propeller" or some > shit like that. Haven't a clue what they are. Which tracks does he use > them on? >
They are exactly what they sound like they are. cannon shells, and a huge propeller. he uses them as cymbals. not sure what tracks he used them on...they probably just sound like really high ride cymbals.
i saw a picture of his set in a modern drummer mag a few years ago (i think it was one with a big article on death metal drummers), and the propeller was right there mounted just like a cymbal....oh also just as a side note he did fess up to basically copying a pattern from drum wizard Deen Castronovo on the title track song from the 'Symbolic' album. Listen to the drum work on that song, and compare it to the ending of 'Forbidden City' from Marty Friedman's album 'Dragon Kiss'. they are identical. heheh, at least he cited the influence there...
cheers jim lenart
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:02:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: ACOS in BACKORDER on CD Now? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.990607180126.26918A-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> > > > CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com wrote: > > > Images and Words for one is ah OUT OF PRINT > > Where did you get this from? > >
He got this from his very own ass!
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:27:40 EDT From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: ICED EARTH Message-ID: <e00d081e.248dd99c@aol.com>
Can you Iced Earth fans give me a little description of the band's music? Who could you compare them to? I'm eagerly awaiting my copy of the Power Of Omens cd, whom I've heard about through the jam, so I'm looking forward to finding some other kick ass bands. Help me out! Thanks! - JK
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 23:23:41 -0500 From: Thurman Alexander <oenone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: dark angel Message-ID: <375C9ACD.1EFACC0D@mindspring.com>
somebody wrote: > I happen to have both >Darkness Descends and Time Does not Heal and don't understand how people >listen to any Dark Angel other than Time Does Not Heal. Earlier stuff is >like a typical Slayer rip-off. =)
Have you heard Leave Scars? It's the one between Darkness Desccends and Time Does Not Heal. It doesn't have the production quality of TimeDNH, but it's pretty darn good. I saw them for that tour and they fuckin rocked. Funny story: The day of the Dark Angel show, I went to a record store to get presale tickets, and while I was there I picked up a copy of VoiVod's Killing Technology. This big fat dude at the store sees my with the VoiVod tape and starts telling me how I should buy this Dark Angel tape instead. I blew him off and got the VoiVod and my tickets. That night at the show I practically shit my pants when I realized that the guy that had been hassling me at the record store was Gene Hoglan!
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 03:21:19 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: ACOS in BACKORDER on CD Now? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990608032119.007ec020@umav04.udem.edu.mx>
feeling violent today mauricio? you should stop whatching South Park... those cartoons will make you go shooting to half of your university... take it easy....repeat with me "Eric Cartman is not real, it is only a cartoon character...Aliens wont appear if I fart in front of my class"
Mauricio Martinez wrote: > He got this from his very own ass! > >
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:54:54 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: FII sound Message-ID: <199906080954.CAA27300@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Korg Ecksthrey" thus begged: > >>Peace) and Awake is very digital sounding (that's the only way I can >>describe it) > >Now, I only have one other disc that Baron and Purdell produced and that's >Ozzy's No More Tears album. What's funny is that when you listen to that
Funny, I think No More Tears is actually a better production by the duo.
>one it sounds the same as Awake. Most producers have like a "fingerprint" >sound that they employ when putting all of the pieces together. Shirley >seems to not have one so much and just go with his gut on what would sound >best. I honestly think both albums (Awake and FII) were magnificently >produced. I think Awake's one of the cleanest production albums I've ever >heard while FII has the best recreation of a live setting. I can't say that >either is better, but I honestly prefer Awake's production over FII's.
I think FII's production is worlds tighter than Awake... plus the drum panning on FII is a Shirley trademark, incredible depth and imaging... You can hear it on his Rush work too..
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:57:54 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Dark Death is Forbidden Message-ID: <199906080957.CAA27331@gms.gmsnet.com>
I think Hoglan was already getting quite a murmur during his stint with Dark Angel especially here in LA, where the trash scene was huge back then... along with Forbidden, another incredible double bass drummer, Paul Bostaph...
But I'd have to say, Reinhart is the true madman .
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:03:52 GMT From: fateswarm _ <mlnglst@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New THRESHOLD Interview Message-ID: <19990608100352.39449.qmail@hotmail.com>
'Epigram for the last straw' has a new and exclusive Threshold interview (with Richard West).
For anyone interested the address is:
http://homex.s-one.net.sg/member/progmetal OR http://listen.to/progmetal
Seeyaround, michael m.
PS. Join Epigram's Prog Rock/Metal mailing list by visiting http://fly.to/epigram
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:14:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: All you "horn"-y people Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990608100305.20617C-100000@gs.bass.org>
Those [i.e. "Al"] who were looking for prog w/horns:
Here are some suggestions. Some are closer to the psychedelic rock era, but, I'm trying. The Greatest Show on Earth, Southwest F.O.B., Motor Totemist Guild, Olivia Tremor Control, Caravan, National Health, Elton Dean, and I'm sure there may be others. NB most of these are older groups and may not be easily found.
P NP Kid Creole: To Travel Sideways ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Down the rope came my tears/ Silver like mercury/ Nothing can hurt me
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