YTSEJAM Digest 4892
Today's Topics:
1) Olivia Tremor Control is prog?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Olivia Tremor Control is prog?
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
3) New DT live show in mp3 available...
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
4) A Question.. a little fun...
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
5) sava tribute?!
by Carlos Andres Alfaro Hernandez <calfaro@yunque.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4891
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
7) Is "New Millenium" Y2K compliant?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
8) Death and stuff =)
by Jeremy Smirnov <jsmirnov@heliossystems.com>
9) production
by Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
10) Christmas CDR.
by "fmatias" <fmatias@cvtci.com.ar>
11) New Queensryche!
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
12) I LOVE VH1!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
13) Re: I LOVE VH1!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JamesAhab@aol.com
14) Last Superior acoustic mp3 (almost NDTC)
by basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de
15) Snare sounds
by shams <shams@drik.net>
16) Space-Dye Vest
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:23:22 PDT
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, paulw@bass.org
Subject: Olivia Tremor Control is prog?
Message-ID: <19990608152322.6130.qmail@hotmail.com>
didn't realize Olivia Tremor Control were in any way prog-like....
first heard about these guys when trying to review another of those Georgia
bands (Keith Barnes/Of Montreal)......and when OTC came through Detroit, I
could have went, but figured they were, like Barnes, a novelty act of
sorts....
Any more detail about OTC would be appreciated, paul.
partha
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:44:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olivia Tremor Control is prog?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990608112938.13339A-100000@gs.bass.org>
A clarification:
About as progressive as many things get these days without venturing into
the realm of prog-metal. Not so much in terms of dizzying time sig
changes, but more in terms of the structured, dense arrangements. They
will never be played on popular radio.
They feature members of the Elephant 6 Collective who also appear on the
Neutral Milk Hotel albums. I only discovered them rather recently, and
they've been in constant rotation since.
Paul
NP OTC: Black Foliage
Can: Box:Music
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Down the rope came my tears/ Silver like mercury/ Nothing can hurt me
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:57:12 -0400
From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: New DT live show in mp3 available...
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990608113621.00986ac0@pop.mindspring.com>
Hey again folks...
Welp, the FTP server test was successful so I'm going to go ahead and
expand the site a little bit. Currently up are Queensryche's 4/29/95
Milwaukee show at the Mecca Arena and I've just added Dream Theater's
5/9/98 show in Philadelphia's Electric Factory. Next up in a few days is
Dream Theater's 12/17/97 show in Atlanta. Here's the info:
Anonymous FTP to 24.5.106.175
Artist: Dream Theater
Date: 5/9/98
Loc: Philadelphia (Electric Factory)
Quality: A/A-
Notes:
This is an excellent performance (with great sound to boot) of Dream
Theater in the 2nd American leg of the Falling Into Infinity tour. I'm
partial towards this show because I travelled from Atlanta to Philly and
back in a weekend to see it. (Worth every minute, too). One highlight of
this show is James' vocals, especially on Lie, the encores, and, most
impressively, Trial of Tears. Other highlights include pretty much all of
Lines in the Sand (esp the keys solo at the beginning), and Take the Time
with Freebird and Hot for Teacher outros. Finally, this one includes the
B-side Speak to Me, which was rarely played until this point in the
tour. Enjoy, and feedback on the show or FTP site is always appreciated.
Setlist:
Disc 1
~~~~~~
ACOS Part I - The Crimson Sunrise, ACOS Part II - Innocence, Just Let Me
Breathe, Burning My Soul, Take the Time, Anna Lee, Speak to Me, Lines in
the Sand
Disc 2
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Caught in a Web, Drums Solo, Lie, Peruvian Skies, Guitar Solo, Pull Me
Under, Trial of Tears. Encore (Medely): Metropolis Part 1, Learning to
Live, ACOS Part VII - Crimson Sunset
ACOS = A Change of Seasons
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Adam Pye (Alpine)
alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1
^^ Above URL for MP3 of the Week and Tapelist w/ Setlists
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:44:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: A Question.. a little fun...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990608114020.11265A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Hey,
What's the funniest situation in life you have been able to apply DT
lyrics to?
Here's mine: I worked at Arby's a while ago. A friend and I were singing
metal songs to go with the work (ex-I was dropping fries in a fryer and
was sing Metallica's Jump in the Fire as "Jump in the Fryer" that sort of
playing with lyrics. Later that night I spilled grease onto the floor, and
it burned the treads right off the bottom of my shoes. I looked at him,
and all I could say is "Burning My Sole" :)
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******
"I remember Now"
"Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy."
Airheads
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:03:42 -0300
From: Carlos Andres Alfaro Hernandez <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: sava tribute?!
Message-ID: <375D3EDD.BEDD7575@yunque.net>
Out Of The Dungeons - A Tribute To SAVATAGE is a new tribute album due
out through Progressive Arts/Conquest
Music this fall. The band/track listing is as follows: CIVILIAN
('Prelude To Madness'), DOFKA ('Hall Of The Mountain
King'), CAGE ('The Dungeons Are Calling'), OPPOSITE EARTH ('Of Rage And
War'), PREMONITION ('White Witch'),
DIVISION ('Power Of The Night'), CIPHER ('Chance'). More bands will be
added. Contact conrecords@aol.com for more
info.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:38:14 EDT
From: DrummerEsh@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4891
Message-ID: <6b1287d4.248ebd16@aol.com>
Virgil Donati is absolutely amazing!! I was at the Planet X show here in LA,
i was pissin in my pants........Sat right in front of Virgil to check out his
every single movement and it was just amazing. Although he lacks the groove
that Mike has he sure can play a mean ass double bass. I got a pair of his
sticks!! YAAYYY ME!!!
-ESH
http://welcome.to/Phosphenes
In a message dated 6/8/99 7:22:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< and here's one more opinion, while I'm at it.....Virgil Donati has, after
one single listen to this disc, duly been nominated for drum god status in
my head.....
for those of you leftcoasters lucky enough to see the PX shows......care to
refresh me what you thought about Donati? >>
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:25:47 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Is "New Millenium" Y2K compliant?
Message-ID: <375D7C4B.329C@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Partha just HAD to go to that well with:
> dtc-time:
WOO HOO!
> to date, there is scant little info as to how the DT album is coming
> along/turning out, other than MP's comments
Those words he said are worth volumes, though.
Anyways, the lack of info has kept the speculation on the jam to a
minimum. This is a good thing. Remember all those posts before FII came
out, and then all the post-release bitching about how the demo this was
better than the official that. And then the predictors of doom who
feared that FII was the turning point where DT left 'prog' behind. You
know, like at 3:21 on JLMB? :)))
Mike answered THE burning question that I would think most everyone has
been thinking about at one time or another: Whither the 'prog' in DT? I
think NOT! I got yer prog right here boyeeeeeeeeeeee! Only you can't
have it just yet :)
> i do know one thing I'll be wondering about once the disc does finally
> come out: how would it have been different with Derek Sherinian on
> board.....
Oh joy, oh rapture :)
Yes, it's going to be inevitable, the flame wars and such that will
result from all permutations and combinations of Jordan, Derek and
Kevin. One can only hope that it won't completely dominate the jam, but
leave some room for talk about how great an album the next one will be.
Not because it's Jordan and not Derek, but just because it's DREAM
THEATER!!!!
Dave:
> Never thought I'd see the Mighty Mighty Bosstones and Symphony X
> mentioned favorably in the same e-mail... :)
Perhaps Jerry Springer is what ties it all together :))
Regards,
Jon
NP: Joe Santerre - The Scenic Route
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:58:05 -0500
From: Jeremy Smirnov <jsmirnov@heliossystems.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Death and stuff =)
Message-ID: <01BEB1D0.21754500.jsmirnov@heliossystems.com>
>What?!?.....im not sure how old you are but you need to check some
>dates...the original Ep "We have Arrived" was released around the same
time
>as "Show no Mercy"
>And as far as being original if you do some checking you will find that DA
>are the originators of the death metal "look it up and see what it means"
>lyrics ;>
>Slayers stuff is straight forward and IMO very different from Dark Angel
Never heard "We have arrived" and have no desire to. Never checked the
dates, but to ME, I repeat, to ME, it sounds boring now. I cant tolerate
most of Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits for that reason. BORING!!! Plus, I
never thought Dark Angel lyrics were their strength, too much "trying to
sound intelligent, too bad I have nothing useful to say" stuff. In my mind,
the originators of death metal are Death, and even Scream Bloody Gore
sounds better to me than something like Darkness Descends. =)
>Do you work for MTV?? ;> just kidding
No, but I am working against eMpTyV... =)
>blaze bayley utterly sucks....got virtual XI, and thhe album is soooooo
>ridiculously lifeless....threw in piece of mind afterwards, and the
>difference is staggering.....
I don't think it's just Blaze Bayley, I think it's the whole band that
sounds washed up on that one... but Bayley does suck indeed. How about that
out of the blue "Dont look in the eyes of a stranger" ending where he
doesn't even say it in time with the music. Sounds like something a typical
inexperienced garage band would do.
>Reinert's playing on Human. One is his execution. It's very smooth and
>precise. You might even say polished. This is really obvious during his
That it is.... Amazingly clean performance!
>Cannon shells. What the hell are those anyway? I saw those in the liner
>notes for Symbolic, along with something about a "M-14 propeller" or some
>shit like that. Haven't a clue what they are. Which tracks does he use
>them on?
Cannon shells are M-14 cannon shells, exactly what they are, and the
propeller is an old boat propeller that some friend of his gave him as a
joke, and he decided to use it cause it sounds good. His quote is "Hell,
I'll play a car door if it sounds good". He uses it throughout most tracks
of Individual Thought Patterns and Symbolic. And they sound like ride
cymbals. Those times when it sounds like he does fills with dual ride
cymbals, thats the propeller and shells.. =) they DO sound kickass.
>grabbed me about Donati's playing in the Planet X show. Anyway, Christy
>does enough with his hands that it actually took me a while to get around
>to listening more closely to his double-bass work, and I noticed that
>there's a note off here and there. Those are the only types of mistakes
>I've been able to catch, though. Anything else I'm missing?
Christy is not PERFECT. He is very technical, but sometimes he can't pull
off his licks in 100% accuracy. Understandable, cause they are amazing.
Still, better than Ulrich barely being able to play his double bass part on
"One" =) In his own quote "My 3 yr old son can play better than that, and
I don't even have a son".
>Have you heard Leave Scars? It's the one between Darkness Desccends and
Heard it once... =) ok. Insane drumming, but that's about it. That's all
that Dark Angel was good for, in my opinion, anyway. Which makes it worth
it for me.. =) But I didn't like Scars much. Not to mention a destroyed
version of Zep's Immigrant Song!!!! =) LOL
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 18:57:18 -0400
From: Dave <dhatlee@dhpc.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: production
Message-ID: <4.1.19990608185600.009d0f10@ee.net>
>I think Awake's one of the cleanest production albums I've ever
>heard while FII has the best recreation of a live setting. I can't say that
>either is better, but I honestly prefer Awake's production over FII's.
I gotta agree with KorgX3 on this one all the way :)
DaveH
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:15:52 -0300
From: "fmatias" <fmatias@cvtci.com.ar>
To: "ytsejam mail list" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Christmas CDR.
Message-ID: <002501beb205$37f2eb40$3646a8c0@matute>
Hi Jammers!
I pay for copies of the christmas cd's[cdr] or trade if you prefer.
Please, make me a copy!! Im desperate here!
Contact me.
Best regards!!
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:02:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: New Queensryche!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990609000151.20209A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Yo all,
go to www.queensryche.com! There new album comes out Sept 14th! Sounds
like good stuff!
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******
"I remember Now"
"Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy."
Airheads
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:04:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I LOVE VH1!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990609000250.20209B-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
God, I love Rock Show!
Sammy, Megadeth, Rush tonight!! It's only a matter of time before PMU or
Lie will surface on it. Thank you VH1.
Kurt
******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******
"I remember Now"
"Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy."
Airheads
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:16:58 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: I LOVE VH1!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <f57ee59b.248f52ca@aol.com>
>< God, I love Rock Show! Sammy, Megadeth, Rush tonight!! It's only a
matter of time before PMU or Lie will surface on it. Thank you VH1. ><
I thought it was only Sunday nights. I must be wrong. What time and day is it
on?
jim
NP - angra: holy land, therion: vovin, marillion: 6 of 1, half-dozen of the
other
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:05:50 +0200
From: basmer@med-rz.uni-saarland.de
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Last Superior acoustic mp3 (almost NDTC)
Message-ID: <9906090705.AA21246@krzsun.med-rz.uni-saarland.de>
Hi!
Ok... now we got the last mp3 of the acoustic tour up.
It's "I go to extremes" (Billy Joel) played at the same gig as the
others on our tour in February.
I would like to make all the mp3's available soon but I have to find
a server for that. Maybe I will use Mosh's but that's not sure yet.
Any ideas?
Next thing I will offer on our page at http://www.free-minded.de/
will be recordings of a gig that we did 3 weeks ago on a festival in
France. And no, these are no acoustic songs this time. It's heavy and
it kicks. :)
I'll tell you when these things will be up.
Greetings
Bernd
DTC: NO, I can't wait until I have new DT in my hands... :)
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For information about Superior have a look at:
http://www.truemetal.org/superior
http://www.fine.de/superior
http://www.noiserecords.com
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Why be normal?
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:18:36 +0600
From: shams <shams@drik.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Snare sounds
Message-ID: <375E235B.2F5A86CB@drik.net>
hi all,
while we are on the subject of drummers, I know that MP had to use some kind of
trigger for I&W and he really did not like it. I was really surprised to hear the
type of snare sound he got on ACOS. but, the live tunes had a different sound
again. On FII I think he used different snares for different songs. Since I never
been to a DT concert, does he use just one set of snare for all the songs or does
he change them in between tracks? anyone?
also, in the OILT drum solo, from the drummers perspective, it is a very good
solo??? I recognized 6.00 part but the others I don't know. how does he structure
them?
another drummer I really like is Scott Rockenfield of QueensRyche. he was
fantastic on mindcrime.
One more thing from Once in a live time, how come there were no Myung solo?? or is
it just one of those different printing for different countrys thing that has some
stuff where as the other have something else. I really hate when record companies
do that.
Is there any chance of DT releasing a B-side thing in near future??
-later
-Shams
still trying to pick up JP solo from OILT by ear ;)
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:20:18 +0200
From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Space-Dye Vest
Message-ID: <000a01beb25a$b4a89360$2ec48e81@flskesteg>
Hi, there!
I was just listening to Kevin Moores good-bye-song, Space-Dye Vest, and
stopped to notice the lyrics:
'Never come near me again \
Do you really think I need you'
Were the feelings between KM and DT really like that???
Please let me know the true story
Take care now, bye-bye then
Simon Long Krogh
NP: DT-ACoS
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