YTSEJAM Digest 4905
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4903
by "Jeremy Smirnov" <coworker@ix.netcom.com>
2) Atlanta Jammers
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
3) Franklin-Neumann Progject...
by "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
4) Re: FAQ U
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
5) The reason for a FAQ
by Jonathan Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
6) blah
by Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
7) schoolmo
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
8) alan parsons
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
9) Re: FAQ U
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) vindaloo for two
by EricD91011@aol.com
11) more on alan parsons
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
12) Bee moore good to yourself
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
13) Re: alan parsons
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
14) alan parsons/ice age
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
15) Re: Outlandish Ramblings.
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
16) To Kevin or not to Kevin
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
17) herb alexander
by ETebo323@aol.com
18) Alan Parsons
by shams <shams@drik.net>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:39:07 -0500
From: "Jeremy Smirnov" <coworker@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4903
Message-ID: <000701beb6bf$1a220b00$42badccf@jsmirnov>
> Who's this drummer Tim Alexander? Worked with someone else?
Tim "Herb" Alexander was the drummer for Primus... You can hear his work
with them on anything up to (but not including) the Brown album. He was
later replaced by Brain. But Tim IS pretty amazing.
Jeremy
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:07:16 -0400
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: YtseGods <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Atlanta Jammers
Message-ID: <37659934.2B084A12@enter.net>
Atlanta Jammers,
I am moving down to Atlanta July 7th. Just in time for the King's X
show. Is anyone going?
Please email me privately.
I will also be interested in other shows too.
thanks,
Bruce Duesterhoeft
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:28:48 -0400
From: "indii" <indii@vistatech.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Franklin-Neumann Progject...
Message-ID: <005d01beb6c6$09a460a0$a783cbcf@indii>
just thought i would pop in a word and say to all of you to check out this
site for MP3s of Franklin-Neumann Project...progressive music with fantasy
and SciFi overtones....really kick ass stuff...you wan't regrett it....
http://mp3.com/artists/5/the_franklinneumann_project.html
indii
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:44:39 EDT
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: FAQ U
Message-ID: <68a7ec09.2496fbf7@aol.com>
(Instert Outlanders long post here)
::applaudes::
I have to totally agree with Outlander on this. I've gotten snarled at for
the same thing he has and it certainly turned me off to posting anything to
the Jam for a long time. (Obviously I'm over that now)
I mean come on people! lighten the fuck up! It was a simple question, you
could have replied to him in PRIVATE email and told him it was against the
rule instead of acting like surly fifth graders.
Ok, I'm done with my little rant. And now we return to your regular flame
riddled, time signature swamped YtseJam Mailing List! :} Long live the jam!
~Lisa is listening to Ytseradio and feeling all better!
"You suck" ~Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
DragynLMC3@aol.com YtseDrgn on ICR
http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/index.html
ADMIRATION - Our polite recognition of another's resemblance to ourselves.
-Ambrose Bierce [Devil's Dictionary]
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jonathan Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: The reason for a FAQ
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.02A.9906141740070.16327-100000@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
Man, some people just don't get it...
> From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
> Subject: FAQ U
> So for years they were like MY band
Ok, that's cool...Everyone thinks DT is their band at one time or another,
I can relate to that. However, after reading the rest of your post, you
seem to think that fact raises you above other fans. And that I do NOT
relate to.
> Now, years later I see these people who have some type of elitist attitude,
> about how they cannot stoop so fucking low as to tell someone new who asks
> "Whats the big "M" for?" the answer without telling them that they need to
> read the FAQ
I don't get what is wrong with telling people to read the FAQ -- The FAQ
contains the answer to their question, right? Better to tell people to
read the FAQ than to tell them go hump a tree.
> Would it kill any of these "long-time fans" to answer someone new without
> treating the person like they dont have enough sense to read some document
> that they dont know how to find???
Well, no, it probably wouldn't kill us, but we tell newbies to read the
FAQ because it answers all of the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. Therefore,
those newbies are newbies no longer and don't ask questions that we get
tired of answering over and over and over...
Why do you think restaurants put up signs that say "Restrooms --->?" So
they don't have to show people the way every time someone has to take a
piss. Same idea as a FAQ. All of what should be common info is in there,
so by telling people to read the DT FAQ, we are giving them more info than
they even thought they wanted. Hell, we even tell them where to go most
of the time. Mark makes a very visible link to it on the DT homepage,
http://www.dreamtheater.net/ For newer fans, a first time read through the
FAQ would be infinitely more informative and interesting than just a reply
from a frustrated veteran saying "Yes you meathead, James' real name is
really Kevin."
> Because given most of the the 1st experience stories ive read no one else on
> here has listened to them as long as i have.
Well congratulations! With that arrogant and self-righteous statement,
you too have just entered the ranks of the DT elitests you were just
condemning. haha
> I am more than happy to tell them. The fact that i've explained this
> probably 60 times has nothing to do with it.
Allright. Skadz, from now on why don't you make an echo and send every
dumb newbie question Outlander's way. He has proclaimed himself the
Official Newbie-Question Answerer.
Oh wait, we already have one of those. It's called the FAQ.
Cha-ching...Thank you and good day.
Jon
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:01:46 GMT
From: Isaac Trumbo <inferno_one@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: blah
Message-ID: <19990615010147.35962.qmail@hotmail.com>
that was a typo (blush).. i felt pretty fuckin stupid the minute i posted
that :).. was hoping nobody would notice..
btw.. i'd like to comment on LTE2.. it's BAD ASS.. that's all there is too
it.. it's pure, untarnished fusion.. and after listening to it i'm all giddy
about hearing how jordan's going to perform in an all DT setting.. LTE2 is
monsterous.. .i can't believe how well it turned.. everyone on this list has
an obligation to buy this album..
inferno
NP: the police - ghost in the machine
>It's San Francisco, not San Frasisco (but that could have been a
>typographical error)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:18:46 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: schoolmo
Message-ID: <3765A9F6.A4ADF093@bigfoot.com>
>Now, Kevin Moore attended that one music college in Northern New York,
but I
>have to kick myself as I can't remember the name of the place.
SUNY Fredonia
I considered going there at one time because it's a great school if you
want to be a music major, and it's not a bad value for a public school.
I went to SUNY plattsburgh instead.
josh
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:30:57 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: alan parsons
Message-ID: <3765ACD1.E2DEE702@bigfoot.com>
>mentioned is Alan Parsons Project. Though I have heard the name, I
haven't
>heard their music... :)
You've very likely heard Eye in the Sky, which is a chilling take on
"big brother's watching you", but sounds mellow 'n' nice until you
listen to the words.
I like those kind of contradictory songs: Another good one is Closedown
by the Cure.
Anyway, the first thing I heard by Alan Parsons was Try Anything Once,
from earlier this decade. It's excellent. Another outstanding one is
Gaudi.
Josh can read your mind
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:43:00 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: FAQ U
Message-ID: <27e0e74b.249709a4@aol.com>
>< Ive been into this band since WDADU and I listened to it on my own. So
for years they were like MY band Now, years later I see these people who have
some type of elitist attitude, about how they cannot stoop so fucking low as
to tell someone new who asks "Whats the big "M" for?" the answer without
telling them that they need to read the FAQ Some people, believe it or not,
dont even know what the fuck a FAQ is or where you can find it!! Would it
kill any of these "long-time fans" to answer someone new without treating the
person like they dont have enough sense to read some document that they dont
know how to find??? its not necessary to make someone feel like they did
something that fucked up your jam! If I didn't already know about Dream
Theater and i came to read this digest I would think that its some technical
type band who uses 15/16 sigs and has fans who think they are some kind of
secret society who WILL NOT condescend to answer some questions that have
previously been answered 1800 jams ago I think some just dont want to have to
deal with smart-ass flames and complaints about their questions. And if youre
saying everyone else reads the FAQ....I say this How the hell do you know if
they do or not? All im saying is stop thinking you're the only ones who
"really" have the inside track on the band Because given most of the the 1st
experience stories ive read no one else on here has listened to them as long
as i have. And if someone asks me "Whats the Big M for?" I am more than happy
to tell them. The fact that i've explained this probably 60 times has nothing
to do with it. I can do it again and to
suggest that its wrong to do so is really lame ><
Read the FAQ.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:07:01 EDT
From: EricD91011@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: vindaloo for two
Message-ID: <3104ec52.24970f45@aol.com>
Finally listened to a bootleg I received months ago from the I&W tour. The
gig is in Holland and soundboard quality. Anyway, the guys play Bombay
Vindaloo, only the second version I have heard other LaTM. So the track gets
me thinking about the recent Kevin thread and how often he is faulted for his
lack of improvisation. Well, listening to him feed off JP's haunting work on
BV, there is no doubt the man is brillant and just has a sixth sense of how
to compliment his bandmates. His patches just hover over everything allowing
the other instruments to flow through and underneath and above. Very
interesting talent.
For those that saw LTE, any thoughts on Jordan's ability (well obviously it
is overwhelming) to fit in sound wise? I always felt Derek was playing off
in a corner while JP, MP and JM did a power trio type-thing. Just curious.
-Eric
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:22:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam dream theater <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: more on alan parsons
Message-ID: <19990615022228.10074.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com>
I saw the 'Alan Parsons Project' open for Yes in Cincinnati
last year and APP were absolute crap. I don't think I have
ever seen such a bad opener. All the songs were boring as
hell. I haven't heard any studio albums though. Maybe
there is more energy on the albums then what comes from
them live...
On another note. Is anyone planning on seeing Kings X when
they come thru Cincinnati July 24th? Should be a kickass
show.
later all
NP: Meshuggah - Chaosphere (this is making my brain hurt)
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jpyyz@yahoo.com
Only two things are infinite,
the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein-
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:14:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Bee moore good to yourself
Message-ID: <19990615031423.12455.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
"Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> inhaled deeply,
and broke forth with the following:
> Bad memories that song brings. I went on a nasty
bad Nitrous
> Oxide trip at the dentist's office while that song
kept playing over
> and over again.
There's only one cure for this...As your attorney I
advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And
you'll need some drugs, and plenty of raw ether. And a
tape recorder for special music. Naturally, I'll have
to go with you, and we're going to have to arm
ourselves; to the teeth.
It'll be a classic affirmation of everything right and
true in the national character. A gross, physical
salute to the fantastic possiblities of life in this
country. But only for those with true grit...
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:20:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: alan parsons
Message-ID: <19990615032041.24232.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
--- Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> I like those kind of contradictory songs: Another
> good one is Closedown
> by the Cure.
This brings to mind Bruce Springsteen's "Born In The
USA". The music itself sounds wholesome enough...
> Josh can read your mind
Hm. That guy must be a Jedi or something. "See
through you we can."
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*Trent
"They said that timing was everything,
made him want to be everywhere,
there's a lot to be said for nowhere."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men and all around cool guy
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@yahoo.com>
To: DT list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: alan parsons/ice age
Message-ID: <19990615042249.22689.rocketmail@web122.yahoomail.com>
I would put APP in the progressive category. They do some great stuff
although it may be a little poppy. No one can knock the tune "Eye in the
sky"... If you ever get a chance to see them in concert, GO! I saw them when
Kansas opened for them. That was a great show. If you aren't a big fan of
APP you will be after you see them live.
I just go the Ice Age disc today. They sorta remind me of a heavier Aztec
Jade. The vocalist doesn't have that expected prog metal voice. Some long
songs on this one... Its good but I may need more listens to really get into
it.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:20:16 -0400
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Outlandish Ramblings.
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990615002016.0090ac20@mail.ptd.net>
>From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
>To: ytsejam@axnet.net
>Subject: FAQ U
/me steps up to the plate ...
>Ive been into this band since WDADU and I listened to it on my own without
>the support of friends...(because they liked the heavy stuff)
<golf claps>
>So for years they were like MY band
Ugh. I really hate that. Don't get me wrong, I understand totally where
you're coming from, but I've always had a problem with that attitude. It's
great that you found out about DT that early (hmm, lessee, I was in 3rd
grade when WDADU was released), and I'm sure you've been a loyal fan, but
"MY band"? You were a fan before they took off. You liked the music and
you listened to it. I just think it's silly to be possessive like that.
Not to open another can of worms, but for years, thousands of people were
calling M*******a "their band", and look what happened. Oh, wait, didn't
you post a 2-liner referring to them as "Fag Art"? My bad! ("MY" bad!)
>Now, years later I see these people who have some type of elitist attitude,
>about how they cannot stoop so fucking low as to tell someone new who asks
>"Whats the big "M" for?" the answer without telling them that they need to
>read the FAQ
>Some people, believe it or not, dont even know what the fuck a FAQ is or
>where you can find it!!
<etc.>
This I understand. BUT, there is one pretty good REASON some people are
annoyed by questions like this. Skadz issues an introductory e-mail to
EVERY PERSON who subscribes to the jam. In this e-mail it is CLEARLY
STATED that each new subscriber should READ THE FAQ before posting
questions to the list. (I believe that suggestion is also in the "list
guidelines" for The Mirror.) It's not incredibly difficult to follow a
link. The reason I guess some people are bothered by FAQ-answerable (new
word) questions is that if everyone READ the e-mail (and come on, if you're
capable of posting to the list, there's no good reason ...), and READ the
FAQ, there would be no need to post such questions to the list. I dunno,
it doesn't usually bother me, but ya know ... just READ THE FAQ. It's not
a difficult thing to do.
>Not only that...but hasnt anyone noticed how many people on here do not
>post?
>Outside of ones who dont read it, I think some just dont want to have to
>deal with smart-ass flames and complaints about their questions.
90% of the time, I read my digests in batches (4-6), and usually whenever I
want to jump in on a thread, someone else does a better job of saying what
I would have wanted to say. Your post was an EOJ, and I was bored. <shrug>
I also usually have something else I should be doing other than posting to
a mailing list ... practice, schoolwork, etc. Smart-ass flames? Bring 'em
on, motherfuckers!!
>And if youre saying everyone else reads the FAQ....I say this
>How the hell do you know if they do or not?
Because THEY don't ask stupid questions! Bwahahaha!!!! >:P
>All im saying is stop thinking you're the only ones who "really" have the
>inside track on the band
>Because given most of the the 1st experience stories ive read no one else on
>here has listened to them as long as i have.
Right, and that makes you more special. ;)
/me bows down. (in the platinum maze ... twilight cathedral ... spreads
the system plague ...) Whoa, sorry about that. Sym X on the brain.
~Brian, with $20 set aside for LTE2 tomorrow.
NP: Jim Bruno - Like That
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:24:28 EDT
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: To Kevin or not to Kevin
Message-ID: <d5953ae4.24972f7c@aol.com>
Hey everyone. I am a brand new jammer on the web but have been a DT fan for
years. From the moment I first saw PMU on MTV I went nuts. Never before had
I heard such a great mix of melodies and metal. (Although I was leery about
the title's message, PULL ME UNDER, and how it may be connected with JL's
shirt, NAPALM DEATH. ) Anyway, I bought IAW and instantly loved it. It is a
masterpiece unlike any album I had ever heard. I have probably listened to it
four or five hundred times since them. MP's drumming is the most talented
drummer ever (I am also a PERCUSSIONIST) and it shows on every piece, except
WFS (hint). I am mesmerized by many of his intricate beats and find it very
hard to keep time with him on several occasions in many songs. I am such a
huge DT fan and no one I know has ever heard of them. They are the best band
in the world and are the metal bad for real musicians.
After some of my history (sorry if I bored anyone but I am new to
this), on to the real reason for my letter. I have been reading the letters
and reactions for a few days now. I find such senseless feuding about such an
unimportant topic-a change in keyboardist. Yes, the Kevin stuff was
awesome-Metropolis: Part I, and Scared-but Derek's was equally as
impressive-New Millennium and ToT. These two shouldn't be compared to one
another or how much better one album or song would have been with the other
keyboardist. Has anyone thought how differently LTE's stuff would sound with
Derek or Kevin? NO! No one cares because it was Jordan playing. Yes, I know
some will say, "but can't we miss Kevin or Derek?" yes that's fine and
acceptable but don't we listen to DT for the awesome musicianship and song
writing that goes in to each song? They are unparalleled in their music.
Can we please cut the controversy between K & D since the new album
will be a totally new experience for everyone? Let DT continue to thrive
with the following they have. Isn't this site supposed to be a medium to
praise DT and their accomplishments not bash the keyboardists? Let their
music live on. Praise me or bash me. I am ready. And keep on Jammin!
Later,
TW
"I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset"
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:49:11 EDT
From: ETebo323@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: herb alexander
Message-ID: <4b7359fb.24973547@aol.com>
Tim alexander used to play for primus, for some reason is now out of the
band, and they brought in brain... tim was the man, not quite like portnoy,
but still tore it up in his own right. i'm not sure what he's up to now but
i imagine something in the musical realm...
Lata
T
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:39:09 +0600
From: shams <shams@drik.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Alan Parsons
Message-ID: <3765E6FD.AFAC5361@drik.net>
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All the things that other people are saying is true.
But the MAIN reason for his fame is He was the producer of Pink Floyds 'Dark Side'
and 'Wish' albums.
I dunno if he was in 'Wall' or not
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