YTSEJAM Digest 4899
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Jordan Rudess video
by Calvin6S@aol.com
2) No more wire hangers....EVER!!!
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Vocals on NM
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
4) Re: 15/16
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) I miss you Moore than ever.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) New Millenium back ups
by JKorby1973@aol.com
7) Lte date
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
8) Re: JLMB Mistake
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
9) Re: jlmb mistake
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
10) Re: JLMB Mistake
by JamesAhab@aol.com
11) The problem with FII
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
12) LTE2 Rocks
by "Bob Hiemstra" <bob@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4898
by psull@ici.net
14) Post YOUR prog rock/metal review for anyone to read!
by fateswarm _ <mlnglst@hotmail.com>
15) New I Mother Earth
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
16) Re: LTE2 (was: a good list)
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
17) RE: new cds-no star wars content
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4898
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4898
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:59:51 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Jordan Rudess video
Message-ID: <8474240f.24933537@aol.com>
> Just wondering if anyone out there, preferably someone who plays keys,
> knows of
> any good exercises for playing faster (I know, practice!). Any tips are
> welcome.
I don't play keys (that much) but its all about economy of motion. Practice
making as little movement with good technique. One milestone for me was when
I wrote my own COMPLETE song that I fully enjoyed. Played it with a band
over and over and over. And because it was MY song I enjoyed it enough to go
home and play it some more. Same damn song again and again. All of a sudden
I found I could play it very close to double speed with a great deal of
clarity. So writing your own stuff is a great way to stay interested in
learnig to pull something off.
Also, Jordan Rudess has a new instructional video which looked pretty helpful
to me. It was kind of "generally speaking" at times, but the foundations
were really laid out not just for speed but quite a few aspects of
musicianship. But hey, if Kevin Moore did the instructional it would have
been better.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:24:46 EDT
From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: No more wire hangers....EVER!!!
Message-ID: <19990612042448.78376.qmail@hotmail.com>
1.I am SO with you. I'll even go as far as to say that they could
have(should have?) changed the name when Kevin left. That is notto say
that I think Kevin was the whole band... but that special sound that
setDream Theater apart from the pack, (to me) is just not there anymore.
Finally I'd like to join the group who misses good ole KevMo.
2.Two points from this little snippet here...
I kinda like MP's backing vocals on the acoustic stuff. I think he's
much better in a calmer setting with the backing vocals, with the more
mellow songs.
I too miss KevMo, but hell...Jordan should kick some serious arse.
and finally
3. Ditto for me. DT seemed more like *band* when Kevin
was in the band. FII doesn't feel like that to me.
OIAL is good tho, very good. Awake is my fave DT
album, I play it all the time and I have to say that
Kevin's contributions to the disc are some of my
favorite aspects of it. I didn't get into FII as
much. Good, but not up to the Awake's level. But
then, I'd sooner listen to FII than most of I&W, so
there ya go. :o)
Well.....let me start by saying that im the guy who was crucified for the
top 10 list (oops!)
So I gather thus far this list does not enjoy Top CDlists and KevMo
arguments (whos better and such)
So I form this question....is there a list that all of us can get on
that would allow both of these things?
Personally I like it here so Im not saying leave here just that we would
have a place to post all that stuff and not piss off the jam.
I understand your(old jammers)mailboxes were alwys being slammed with these
things but are you forgetting that it was cool when it 1st came up as a
topic?
(just a question since ive only been here 8 months) ;>
So how about a list called New Millenium or something that way this stuff
can happen....through private mail ive gotten killer responses but i would
like to see it in digest form (like album reviews and such from like-minded
music lovers)
And a place where everyone can feel free to post whatever they want.
The reason im posting this is that I have some opinions of my own about Kev
but due to all the heat ive seen from others about Kev threads i won't cuz
im not healed from the last fire in my email box.
And also that im afaid of being unsubbed if i talk about something that is
deemed against rules of discussion.
And lastly while on the subject....im 28 and just found out only recently
that its against certain rules to talk about politics
or religion in most bars!!?!!?
I heard that while joining a discussion that didnt start there but drifted
that way....the bartender said thats against the rules....so I left!
I would hate to have to leave here to since ive gotten to kinda know some of
you pretty good and its nice to have some friends that understand theres
more to life than one form of music
(DUCK!)(eMpTyV flame)
Outlander
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:33:47 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Vocals on NM
Message-ID: <3761E32B.2CB2AE1A@yunque.net>
CyberDuke wrote:
> I always liked the backing vocals on New Millenium. Just now I was
> listening it. Can anyone distinguish who's singing the high vocals at
> 8:02-8:03 that goes "turning 'round babeeee!"? :)
> Doesn't sound like James, and it's pretty high and I don't think it's
> falsetto. Maybe it's Mike singing it? If yes I have one WOOW! :)
>
> CyberDuke
I think it is KLJB and it is falsetto Hehh..i think that was
discussed back when fii was released... im not sure tho..
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: 15/16
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990612004524.26229A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Scott Sturdivant wrote:
> Hey guys...Little question for you. Is there any DT song which uses
> 15/16 in any place? I've heard that it's in ACOS for two separate
> measures, but I have never been able to locate it myself. If someone
> feels like sending me an approximate time I'd be most grateful! Thank
> you very much!
Don't know if there is or is not any section that uses 15/16 time, but all
you have to do is listen for a rock shuffle (triplet feel) in 5. That's
the easiest way I could think of to find it.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:58:06 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: I miss you Moore than ever.
Message-ID: <001a01beb490$2ab5cb40$680d84d0@korgx3>
>1.I am SO with you. I'll even go as far as to say that they could
>have(should have?) changed the name when Kevin left. That is notto say
And I totally disagree with this. This is a shitty example, but it's a
silly strong argument that many of the half-wits on this list would not
hesitate to agree with me after reading it.
Bernie Taupin writes all of Elton John's lyrics. So if Bernie Taupin quit
writing lyrics for Elton should Elton John have to change his name? (he
already did once, but hey wtf?)
The mere idea that any >established< band or personality should change their
name is ludicrous. It's what people recognize them by. Say Dream Theater
changes their name to "The Moist Towlettes" after Kevin left. Everyone who
didn't have the inside track like we do would be like, "Hmmm... I wonder
whatever happened to that Dream Theater band? They just dropped off of the
face of the earth." They would have lost status, recognition, and their
fanbase would have disappeared. The only time that a band should ever
change their name is when they do something so absolutely embarrassing that
they don't want anyone to recognize them or they don't want to be associated
with their old image (which usually refers back to the latter anyway).
Kev was a great songwriter and contributed to the band and all, but I don't
think his contributions even come close to requesting pulling the rug out
from the other members of the band. Maybe if Kevin had come up with the
name of the band, I could >maybe< conceive it, but he didn't so fuck him.
heheh.
Anyway, if you people are still stewing over Kev's leaving the band, I think
you have too much free time on your hands. :) Go buy Chromakey and be
happy!
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:45:33 EDT From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: New Millenium back ups Message-ID: <50032eb.24934dfd@aol.com>
In a message dated 99-06-11 22:58:38 EDT, you write:
<< I always liked the backing vocals on New Millenium. Just now I was listening it. Can anyone distinguish who's singing the high vocals at 8:02-8:03 that goes "turning 'round babeeee!"? :) Doesn't sound like James, and it's pretty high and I don't think it's falsetto. Maybe it's Mike singing it? If yes I have one WOOW! :) >>
That doesn't sound like falsetto to you? It's pretty obvious to me. I don't know for the record who it is, but I'm pretty damn sure that it's James overdubbed singing the part falsetto. I'm TOTALLY sure it's not anyone else in the band singing that part. James really is the only one in the band w/ a really good voice. Mike and John are able to pull off some mid-range backups parts live, but if anyone else in the band was really an exceptional singer, why would they have James do most of the backups in the studio himself? But you are right about the vocals kicking-ass on this track- WHOEVER's singing that part. Jam on! - JK
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:47:02 EDT From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Lte date Message-ID: <c970ba69.24934e56@aol.com>
Its June 15th!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am one of many who is also wondering if any of you jammers are from AZ and play, I would also like to get somethin going. Also I disagree with whoever said Derek "clashed" woth the rest of Dt's sounds, because I think he gave them more of a "ballsy" feel. Sometimes though I think he incorporated a bit of a sound from the Mirror into BMS. but then again it could be argued. Chuck
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 02:00:14 EDT From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: JLMB Mistake Message-ID: <8e5beaeb.2493516e@aol.com>
>>>>< OK, just gave it try now: I don't think it's a shaker. It's Mike on the snare. The thing he's doing on the snare, and which you said it's shaker is exactly the same Roger Taylor's rhythm on "Stone Cold Crazy", and in that song it does sound a little odd too! :) And since snare can anyway be tricky cause of its way if use, it can cause a little "wrong rhythm" impression! I either made fool of myself or ........ :) ><
>>>It's definitely not a snare. I think it's either a shaker or some type of cymbal. The off-rhythm feel may be because the shaker is being played in a completely different time signature then the rest of the music. Or maybe not. Maybe I made a fool of myself too...<<<
Okay you all made fools out of yourselves. . .this is not out of beat at all it is just a little bit on the up beat. . .in other words it is on the e's and a's. This is often confusing but trust me, listen again very carefully when Mike comes in on those awesome Octabons. Also do you think DT is that dumb to make a mistake?...:)(granted off-beat things are often done on purpose).
Chuck
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 02:07:08 EDT From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: jlmb mistake Message-ID: <7cb5fbea.2493530c@aol.com>
Okay what I meant bout the e's and a's was. . .the accents are one those beats and I believe they are maracas being played? Chuck
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 02:22:43 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: JLMB Mistake Message-ID: <db0cfeb1.249356b3@aol.com>
>< Okay you all made fools out of yourselves. . .this is not out of beat at all it is just a little bit on the up beat. . .in other words it is on the e's and a's. This is often confusing... ><
It's not confusing. A little syncopation...accents placed were they wouldnt normally be. I just dont have good listening skills. =]
>< Also do you think DT is that dumb to make a mistake?...:)(granted off-beat things are often done on purpose). ><
dont get anyone started on the "dt made a mistake" thing. "the end of pull me under was a mistake" or "mike's double bass dragged a little." ugh...
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:28:28 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The problem with FII Message-ID: <3762283C.44E7E8CB@isd.net>
With all the bitching about the recording quality of FII, I decided to give it a careful listen. The instruments are recorded GREAT! The vocals are fucked. I can't quite put my finger on what the problem is, it sounds synthetic. Whatever vocal processing was used sounds dirty, and the vocal tracks are hot in the mix.
It sounds like they used excessive compression, then ran the vocal tracks through a sonic maximizer; After realizing the vocals sounded stale, they used an aural exiter to attempt to regain some warmth. IMHO, Kevin fucked it up. I'd really like to hear LaBrie's vocals dry, it makes no sense to take a good voice and butcher it with over-processing.
That's my take anyway... -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:04:40 +0200 From: "Bob Hiemstra" <bob@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: LTE2 Rocks Message-ID: <199906120601006@bob.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
LTE 2 was released here in Holland yesterday. I just bought it. It is amazing!!!!! It is even better than LTE 1 My compliments go out to Tony, John, Mike & Jordan These guys are fucking good.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:30:23 -0400 From: psull@ici.net To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4898 Message-ID: <199906121506.LAA20629@bajor.ici.net>
> So if 20% of the state of California all of a sudden moved out, > should they change have changed their name? Just curious.
Heh...I think I'm going to call my parents and demand that they change their names, because my sister and I have both moved out and the family's just not the same anymore. :-)
People can like/yearn for whatever iteration of DT that they choose - after all, the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed on everything. But I think the suggestion that they should have changed the name is whacked. They (the band) determine what "sound" is (or is not) DT. You may disagree with them, but as a fan, you really don't get a vote in it. :-)
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:39:37 GMT From: fateswarm _ <mlnglst@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Post YOUR prog rock/metal review for anyone to read! Message-ID: <19990612153937.62980.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi all, I was thinking it'll be a good idea to have a place where people would post their prog rock/metal reviews for anyone to read. I keep seeing reviews posted on discussions all around the web and most of them are just forgotten after a while.
Well, it's the first day of the Progressive Rock/Metal reviews board. To visit it, the address is:
http://homex.s-one.net.sg/member/progmetal/progreviews.html
- michael m.
ps1. The board is moderated in order *to avoid non-review messages and spammers*. ps2. There is REPLY function so, you can say something regarding another person's review.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:58:49 -0400 From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: New I Mother Earth Message-ID: <001401beb4e4$14471ae0$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
For anyone who cares, there's a short clip from that bands new album (to be released the same day as Planet X, I believe). Album is called 'Blue Green Orange' and the clip sounds an awful lot like 'Scenery and Fish Part II', which is a good thing in my book. Oh, and the new singer sounds almost EXACTLY like a slightly (very slightly) calmer version of Edwin, so they're not hurting in the vocal department.
Mike
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:52:24 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: LTE2 (was: a good list) Message-ID: <4.1.19990612125144.009c6900@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
You iknow, I ordered something from Jordan's site, the video and one of his CDs, Listen, and I wasn't charged yet. I ordered the video a while back in March and was never charged for it nor was it sent. I oredered online. Has anybody else had this problem? At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 , you wrote: > > Lisa wrote: > > Partha wrote: > > > > > >one question about UACM: "pre-order" LTE2? when does it come out, > > >officially? > > > > This is the information that CDnow has... > > > > Liquid Tension Experiment : Vol. 2-Liquid Tension Experiment (CD) > > *** Advance Order: Expected Release Date Jun. 15, 1999 > > > > Of course if you pre-ordered it from CDnow, chances are that it will be on > > backorder just like Dali's Dilemma was. It only took an additional 3 days > > to get the cd, but still... am I wrong to expect something that I > > "pre-order" to actually be in stock? > > Dunno, but Jordan's site shows it shipping as of the 10th, for $12.99 > (http://www.mediusvision.com/e-store/lte.htm#lte2) > > > Regards, > Jon
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:04:28 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: new cds-no star wars content Message-ID: <4.1.19990612130356.00992130@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
OK, quick question. Besides, Listen, Secrets of the muse, Residence, RPM and LTE, does Jordan have any other albums of his keyboard playing I can buy? If so, where? At 09:45 PM 6/11/99 , you wrote: > > > --- Simon Long Krogh <finn2@get2net.dk> wrote: > > Finally I'd like to join the group who misses good > > ole KevMo. > > Ditto for me. DT seemed more like *band* when Kevin > was in the band. FII doesn't feel like that to me. > OIAL is good tho, very good. Awake is my fave DT > album, I play it all the time and I have to say that > Kevin's contributions to the disc are some of my > favorite aspects of it. I didn't get into FII as > much. Good, but not up to the Awake's level. But > then, I'd sooner listen to FII than most of I&W, so > there ya go. :o) > === > *Trent > > "They said that timing was everything, > made him want to be everywhere, > there's a lot to be said for nowhere." > * Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men and all around cool guy > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:44:48 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4898 Message-ID: <003301beb4fb$6a4a5580$6a0d84d0@korgx3>
>People can like/yearn for whatever iteration of DT that they choose - > after all, the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed >on everything. But I think the suggestion that they should have
It's about the same as saying that Savatage should have changed their name after Criss died. How many people here think >that< should have happened? I don't think so. Although Criss was a huge part of Sav's sound, Jon and the others knew that the show must go on. If a lead player in a huge Broadway musical leaves, should the change the name of the musical? I think it's an absolutely rediculous thing to ask. But that's just my opinion. Obviously others here don't think so or they wouldn't have said so. Even though they're morally WRONG. Muahahahaha. Let the flames begin. :) <j/k> Opinions are never wrong, just facts are. Anyway... -- KorgX3 does a sommersault. NP: Royal Hunt - Paradox
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:55:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4898 Message-ID: <199906121755.MAA04428@adam.enteract.com>
> From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> > > >If I - or anyone else - wants to dwell, that's our right. > > > Sure it is. But is it productive? What's the point of dwelling? It's > not going to bring him back, right? Instead of brooding about what could > have been, why not put your energy into finding something good about what > is?
Exactly, Nick. It's not that anyone wants to take away anyone else's rights, but what would you guys do if every post I decided to cut down another DT song, long winded, and whiny? It would annoy you, and I don't care who you are or how open minded you think you are. Posts about how people miss Kevin are almost of that nature now. He's 2 keyboardists removed from DT, and a lot of you are going to forget his name once the new album comes out. It's cool if you're down about it, but there's just no reason to drag anyone else down around you. I personally prefer Derek to either of the other two. But I'm rather satisfied to have Planet X and Chromakey as well as DT. I think that it's a fair trade, considering I have no control over this band, and shouldn't hope to exert my opinions on them.
> So if 20% of the state of California all of a sudden moved out, > should they change have changed their name? Just curious.
I like this, but it doesn't totally gel. If DT changes it's sound to the point where it's no ;onger recognizable, then I would understand the idea of changing the band nbame. I think Iron Maiden with Blaze should be called something else. I think Metallica has NO BUSINESS with a name like that at this point. These things should be retired like a baseball number. Of course, Iron Maiden, like Michael Jordan, could have every right to reclaim their number, with Bruce back in the band! The idea of asking a band to change it's name is moronic, though. That's asking them to start all over. No one would have a right to do that or even an ethic behind which to ask a band to do that. So bleh.
> From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: Kevin's Gone. The Boat Sank. Deal with it. :)
> I was just empathizing with Joshua's position... we can miss Kevin if we > want to.
You people should start a club, and a fund in his honor. :) The rest of us will skim from the donations to buy the new DT albums which we'll probably like more anyways. :)
someone else > Just wondering if anyone out there, preferably someone who plays keys, > knows of any good exercises for playing faster (I know, practice!). Any > tips are welcome.
I'm not a keyboardist but it strikes me that you pretty much have to do exactly what a guitarist or bassist has to do to get fast. Practice long hours, and repetetive exercises to build strength and coordination. You don't need someone else's exercises. Just play scales and arpeggios in every key, maybe one or 2 keys a day. You won't get fast unless you put in a lot of hours. You can always get Rudess's vid, but he'll probably say the same thing. Practice, and be consistent and you'll get fast. METRONOME!
> From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org> > Subject: 15/16
> Hey guys...Little question for you. Is there any DT song which uses 15/16 > in any place? I've heard that it's in ACOS for two separate measures, but I > have never been able to locate it myself. If someone feels like sending me > an approximate time I'd be most grateful! Thank you very much!
I don't recall anything like that in ACOS. Metropolis uses some wacked out time sigs like that. Sometimes I wonder if they're actually pulling that kind of time sig off, or just grooving through an odd time, and then when someone writes down what they did, they can only explain it as a bizzare time sig like that. At any real tempo, the possibility for a whole band to count its way through 15/16 is pretty grim. They almost have to be doing it on feel at this point, if at all.
someone else > np - Symphony X: twilight in olympus, Angra: holy land, Weird Al: dare to be > stupid (a progressive masterpiece)
You must be a master of polyrhythms if you're listening to all three of these at once. I may try that one day... put on a dt cd and something else and try to mix them into one larger more chaotic piece of music. :)
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