YTSEJAM Digest 4898
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4897
by KiKtheGoaT@aol.com
2) Kevin's Gone. The Boat Sank. Deal with it. :)
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
3) QR,DT,KM
by Awake77@aol.com
4) CDNow preorders
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@generalcable.com>
5) Re: Kevin's Gone. The Boat Sank. Deal with it. :)
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
6) RE: new cds-no star wars content
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
7) Re: Maiden, Poison Tour, LTE2
by Count Zero <fivengrok@village.uunet.be>
8) Keyboard shred question
by Count Zero <fivengrok@village.uunet.be>
9) JLMB mistake???
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
10) RE: new cds-no star wars content
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Re: Digest 4897
by Count Zero <fivengrok@village.uunet.be>
12) DT tour / vai ..
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
13) Salt. Many Grains of Salt. Poured from a NDTC Shaker.
by MusicSnob@aol.com
14) Vocals on NM
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
15) CDNow discount?
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
16) CDNow discount?
by alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1)
17) CD Now discount coupons!
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
18) RE: new cds-no star wars content
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
19) 15/16
by "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org>
20) Brazilian members/musicians
by "Marcos Ot?vio" <motavio@geocities.com>
21) Re: JLMB mistake???
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:56:47 EDT
From: KiKtheGoaT@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4897
Message-ID: <2482f01d.2492b5ef@aol.com>
In a message dated 6/11/99 1:55:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< I happened to be listening to JLMB in my headphones (which I do every
night, when I need to be quiet), and I noticed that at the beginning of
the song, there's a shaker going (I'm assuming it's KJLB playing it)
while the timbalitos or tom-toms or whatever is going on in MP's part.
Anyway, I noticed that the shaker is WAY off, rhythmically. Has anybody
else noticed this? It actually THREW my rhythm off while I was listening
to it - if I listened to the shaker as the main part, I had trouble
finding the beat - the other parts sounded like THEY were off. >>
could be a polyrhtyhm..could KJLB be that musically talented? they do that in
jazz alot..itll go in and out of the time..a band called Meshuggah are
masters at doing this..and Dream theater does it very often as well..ill give
it a listen.
chris
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:26:21 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Kevin's Gone. The Boat Sank. Deal with it. :)
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC8F544B@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
> >But I liked Kevin. I feel that he was %50 of the sound, at least the
> >sound that I interpreted. And now all that's gone. These other guys are
> >good but it's not nearly the same, and I can listen to kevin's music all
> >I want; that doesn't bring it back the way I liked it.
> >
> >If I - or anyone else - wants to dwell, that's our right.
>
Sure it is. But is it productive? What's the point of dwelling? It's
not going to bring him back, right? Instead of brooding about what could
have been, why not put your energy into finding something good about what
is?
>I am SO with you. I'll even go as far as to say that they could
have
>(should have?) changed the name when Kevin left. That is not to say
that I
>think Kevin was the whole band... but that special sound that set
Dream
>Theater apart from the pack, (to me) is just not there anymore.
So if 20% of the state of California all of a sudden moved out,
should they change have changed their name? Just curious.
- Nick
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:30:06 EDT
From: Awake77@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: QR,DT,KM
Message-ID: <de7880e0.2492bdbe@aol.com>
Hey everyone!
Its been a long time since Ive posted...
I saw some stuff about the new Queensryche album, and I went to their site
and downloaded some Mp3's. From what ive heard, it sounds like its going to
be pretty good. Theyre going to have to release something incredible to mend
the wound that Hear In the Now Frontier opened up in my soul, though:) That
album SUCKED. It was modern alterna-rock done poorly, to say the least.
I Like Awake much better than FII, sound wise and music wise. I think
Kevin added a much more powerful sound to DT, and that Derek's style and mood
just clashed with everything. (Even though I like him as a musician) I hope
Jordan brings out a new era of really intense, awesome prog metal from DT.
And, finally, are there any jammers on the Central New York (Utica) area
that play? Im trying to get something going here....seems like every musician
around me is a "less is more DT is too technical" type person.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:45:22 -0400
From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@generalcable.com>
To: "'ytsejam@axnet.net'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: CDNow preorders
Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D016C2071@HQEXS01>
When I preordered Once in a Livetime from CDNow, it arrived Fed-Ex (no extra
charge), at my home on the day it was released. That is I received it on
the very first day that people were able to buy it in stores. I've been a
big fan of theirs ever since.
--Jason
aka Zircon the Blue
>At 12:06 PM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>one question about UACM: "pre-order" LTE2? when does it come out,
>>officially?
>This is the information that CDnow has...
>Liquid Tension Experiment : Vol. 2-Liquid Tension Experiment (CD)
>*** Advance Order: Expected Release Date Jun. 15, 1999
>Of course if you pre-ordered it from CDnow, chances are that it will be on
>backorder just like Dali's Dilemma was. It only took an additional 3 days
>to get the cd, but still... am I wrong to expect something that I
>"pre-order" to actually be in stock?
>--
>Lisa Marie "Jessie"
>ytsegirl@pacbell.net
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:54:39 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Kevin's Gone. The Boat Sank. Deal with it. :)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990611125338.01503754@postoffice.pacbell.net>
At 12:36 PM 6/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
> So if 20% of the state of California all of a sudden moved out,
>should they change have changed their name? Just curious.
>
> - Nick
The fact that you brought up a percentage proves that you entirely missed
what I was trying to say. That's okay, I didn't expect everyone (or anyone)
to understand.
I was just empathizing with Joshua's position... we can miss Kevin if we
want to.
So *nyah* :op
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:20:20 +0200 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: new cds-no star wars content Message-ID: <001201beb450$37f159e0$3e832fc3@flskesteg>
Trevor W. Hoit wrote: > >Jordan Rudess-Listen >*snippety*. JR has >a good voice and I wouldn't be surprised to see him >doing some back-up vox for DT.*snip*
Thank God! Am I the only one who thinks that MP's backing vocals on ie 5YiAL were kinda annoying? BTW I'm sorry that I haven't been able to do any 3D-stuff lately...I've got a few finals to...well...finalize first. But in a week or so, I'll be 3D'ing away :) Finally I'd like to join the group who misses good ole KevMo.
Take care now, bye-bye then
Simon Long Krogh
NP: Guns n' Roses - Welcome To The Jungle
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:43:40 +0200 From: Count Zero <fivengrok@village.uunet.be> To: YtsejamMailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Maiden, Poison Tour, LTE2 Message-ID: <3761830C.BB77F621@village.uunet.be>
Graham said: >Dickinson's obviously a bit of a DT fan anyway, and DT are more than >capable of pulling off a Maiden cover when they need to. :-)
Yeah, I heard their attempt at playing "The Trooper" on some obscure CD my ex had (can't remember the name). It was hilarious, as I recall.
Kurt was feeling lonely and begged: >Does anyone know of a webpage with dates?
A date to go see Poison with you? :-)
Partha enquired about LTE 2: >one question about UACM: "pre-order" LTE2? when does it come out, >officially?
June 16th. That's next wednesday! Yeah!
Count Zero
CP: Vitalij Kuprij "Extreme measures" <--- Should've been called "Extreme Shred" !!!
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:46:15 +0200 From: Count Zero <fivengrok@village.uunet.be> To: YtsejamMailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Keyboard shred question Message-ID: <376183A7.A2C91734@village.uunet.be>
Hey Jam,
Just wondering if anyone out there, preferably someone who plays keys, knows of any good exercises for playing faster (I know, practice!). Any tips are welcome. Thanks.
-- Count Zero
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:53:13 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: JLMB mistake??? Message-ID: <37618549.891C30FE@mol.com.mk>
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> > > I happened to be listening to JLMB ... and I noticed that at the > beginning of the song, there's a shaker going (I'm assuming it's > KJLB playing it) while the timbalitos or tom-toms or whatever is > going on in MP's part. Anyway, I noticed that the shaker is WAY > off, rhythmically. Has anybody else noticed this? It actually > THREW my rhythm off while I was listening to it - if I listened > to the shaker as the main part, I had trouble > finding the beat - the other parts sounded like THEY were off.
OK, just gave it try now: I don't think it's a shaker. It's Mike on the snare. The thing he's doing on the snare, and which you said it's shaker is exactly the same Roger Taylor's rhythm on "Stone Cold Crazy", and in that song it does sound a little odd too! :) And since snare can anyway be tricky cause of its way if use, it can cause a little "wrong rhythm" impression!
I either made fool of myself or ........ :)
CyberDuke
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:55:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: new cds-no star wars content Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.9906111753290.15606-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Simon Long Krogh wrote: > Thank God! Am I the only one who thinks that MP's backing vocals on ie 5YiAL > were kinda annoying? BTW I'm sorry that I haven't been able to do any > 3D-stuff lately...I've got a few finals to...well...finalize first. But in a > week or so, I'll be 3D'ing away :) > Finally I'd like to join the group who misses good ole KevMo. >
Two points from this little snippet here...
1.) I kinda like MP's backing vocals on the acoustic stuff. I think he's much better in a calmer setting with the backing vocals, with the more mellow songs.
2.) I too miss KevMo, but hell...Jordan should kick some serious arse.
-Al
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:55:20 +0200 From: Count Zero <fivengrok@village.uunet.be> To: YtsejamMailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Digest 4897 Message-ID: <376185C8.D28A8280@village.uunet.be>
Partha enquired: >oh, and back pn the maiden kick: has Bruce DIckinson ever done any acting?
Actually, yes. I remember him being in a British TV-show called "The Paradise Club", I think, where he played, er, a heavy metal band's vocalist:-)
Count Zero
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:19:05 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: DT tour / vai .. Message-ID: <37619969.EB3EAB2C@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Raitz" <raitz@cafe.ee> > > I'm starting a petition to get Dream Theater fulfill their promise, > expressed thru James LaBrie's mouth, and return to Budapest this > year. This YEAR, goddamnit. :-)
COUNT ME IN PAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
I was at the last year's gig in Budapest and it was awesome. And yep, KJLB himself said that they, while coming 1-st time there, didn't expected that big response to the concert. And it was really huge, audience screaming the lyrics all the way thru the gig (consider it's a foreign country plus :) Which would mean - COMING AGAIN! So like, if the album comes in autumn, world tour - winter, spring???
Folks, does anyone know if Mr. Vai 'till now included Europe in his tours, ... more specifically Eastern Europe, or Budapest, Sofia, Romania, Greece ....???? And is it confirmed that the guy has a regular solo album coming out this summer? I mean, for such a big news I find it odd to see only one lousy line about it, out of context, in the TOUR DATES page on www.vai.com! :(
P.S. I was just let known that in one our shop 80 MINUTES blank CD-ROMs arrived! Since in this country every techology news comes later, I just wanted to ask what's the deal with this? It's first time I heard of 80 minutes CDs. Is it true, or it's some trick making a regular CD be 80 mins (free to flame me if this sounded STUPID :). Is it all OK with them, checked stuff and doesn't cause problems?
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:26:54 EDT From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Salt. Many Grains of Salt. Poured from a NDTC Shaker. Message-ID: <97b96b3f.2492f53e@aol.com>
Someone bitched about the inappropriate nature of the "star wars" script that was posted the other day. Someone bitched quite vehemently, in fact. Ordinarily I would agree with said someone, but, I feel this is an example of the Life Ain't Fair concept. If the script had been stupid and unfunny, I would join Mr. Someone and his agreeing toady in their condemnation. However, since the script was actually funny, I say it has a place being posted on this list in the interest of providing entertainment of a quality nature. If one is NOT funny, such postings will be universally condemned, but, since life is indeed not fair, fringe postings with humorous value should be submitted, even if they be off-topic as the proverbial person who is fucking his mother.
As for Platypus; it sucks. Anyone wants to trade something for it, drop me a line.
NP: Iced Earth - SWTWC
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:40:12 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: YtseLand <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Vocals on NM Message-ID: <37619E5C.E745B4E2@mol.com.mk>
I always liked the backing vocals on New Millenium. Just now I was listening it. Can anyone distinguish who's singing the high vocals at 8:02-8:03 that goes "turning 'round babeeee!"? :) Doesn't sound like James, and it's pretty high and I don't think it's falsetto. Maybe it's Mike singing it? If yes I have one WOOW! :)
CyberDuke
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:59:04 -0300 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CDNow discount? Message-ID: <01beb45e$00c6b2e0$7f11010a@alexis1>
Hello!! Could the person who posted the url for the latest cdnow discount post it again? I unintentionally erased the message and I would love to save some money on my next order. Thank you very much.
Alexis
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:01:59 -0300 From: alexis1@prtc.net (alexis1) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: CDNow discount? Message-ID: <01beb45e$69466860$7f11010a@alexis1>
Pleeeeaaaaase, could the person who posted the url for the latest cdnow discount post it again? I unintentionally erased the jam where it was and I would really love to save myself some dinero on my next buy. Thanks a lot.
Alexis
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: new cds-no star wars content Message-ID: <19990612013937.13244.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
--- Simon Long Krogh <finn2@get2net.dk> wrote: > Finally I'd like to join the group who misses good > ole KevMo.
Ditto for me. DT seemed more like *band* when Kevin was in the band. FII doesn't feel like that to me. OIAL is good tho, very good. Awake is my fave DT album, I play it all the time and I have to say that Kevin's contributions to the disc are some of my favorite aspects of it. I didn't get into FII as much. Good, but not up to the Awake's level. But then, I'd sooner listen to FII than most of I&W, so there ya go. :o) === *Trent
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:30:15 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" <scott@erotomania.org> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: 15/16 Message-ID: <000301beb473$21b06680$8fa808cf@ckssrs.axiomnet.com>
Hey guys...Little question for you. Is there any DT song which uses 15/16 in any place? I've heard that it's in ACOS for two separate measures, but I have never been able to locate it myself. If someone feels like sending me an approximate time I'd be most grateful! Thank you very much!
Scott.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:00:01 -0300 From: "Marcos Ot?vio" <motavio@geocities.com> To: "Ytsejam List" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Brazilian members/musicians Message-ID: <003801beb47a$ce314da0$d48ef6c8@minhacas>
Hi guys! Sorry for that, but i'm looking for Brazilian members, especially keyboardists and singers to complete a band which we are playing some DT songs (de preferência de São Paulo). If you are one of these, please contact-me. Tks and sorry again the off topic message and my English, that is not so good. ------------------------------------- Marcos Otávio Fernandes motavio@geocities.com marcos@dreamtheater.zzn.com http://www.geocities.com/thetropics/1749
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:52:19 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: JLMB mistake??? Message-ID: <fc1b1fd.24932563@aol.com>
>< OK, just gave it try now: I don't think it's a shaker. It's Mike on the snare. The thing he's doing on the snare, and which you said it's shaker is exactly the same Roger Taylor's rhythm on "Stone Cold Crazy", and in that song it does sound a little odd too! :) And since snare can anyway be tricky cause of its way if use, it can cause a little "wrong rhythm" impression! I either made fool of myself or ........ :) ><
It's definitely not a snare. I think it's either a shaker or some type of cymbal. The off-rhythm feel may be because the shaker is being played in a completely different time signature then the rest of the music. Or maybe not. Maybe I made a fool of myself too...
jim
np - Symphony X: twilight in olympus, Angra: holy land, Weird Al: dare to be stupid (a progressive masterpiece)
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