YTSEJAM Digest 4906
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4905
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
2) Contradictory Songs
by The Central Scrutinizer <hender@wam.umd.edu>
3) faq u 2
by Jimbojorda@aol.com
4) It's a new age for Madsman
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
5) NEARfest/Tim Alexander
by AURACLE@aol.com
6) Jon Finn, and things that suck
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
7) Re: Alan Skolnik
by David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
8) Alan Parsons
by Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
9) RE: The reason for a FAQ
by "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
10) This day in Progressive Rock history...kinda.
by EricPMetze@aol.com
11) RE: The reason for a FAQ
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
12) LTE 2 and Celestial Seasonings
by Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
13) Re: Contradictory Songs
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
14) Re: Herb Alexander
by "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-deja.com>
15) Remote Hi-Hat Pedal
by "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
16) dave mathews band-audience
by Schnipp - <schnipp@hotmail.com>
17) re: The big "M"
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
18) Re: To Kevin or not to Kevin
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:19:12 EDT
From: DrummerEsh@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4905
Message-ID: <1ce26fb4.24974a60@aol.com>
<< Tim alexander used to play for primus, for some reason is now out of the
band, and they brought in brain... tim was the man, not quite like portnoy,
but still tore it up in his own right. i'm not sure what he's up to now but
i imagine something in the musical realm...
Lata
T >>
Tim is a bad ass drummer....he has a great style that he has developed. He
left Primus because he was sick of being in a "funny" "non-serioise" type of
band. Also because of tension growing within the band. Tim is with a band
called Laundry now. Its kick ass progressive funky groovin music. I
recommend everyone check them out.
-Esh-
www.phosphenes.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:03:55 -0400
From: The Central Scrutinizer <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Contradictory Songs
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990615030355.009d9620@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>> I like those kind of contradictory songs: Another
>> good one is Closedown by the Cure.
>>
>This brings to mind Bruce Springsteen's "Born In The
>USA". The music itself sounds wholesome enough...
How about the Police's "Every Breath You Take"? A beautiful little
song...about a stalker. People play that at their weddings!
Avoid the bulk of the new video rental releases for tomorrow. They stink.
"Enemy of the State" in particular. If my bosses heard me saying this
stuff, I could be in serious trouble, but I'm willing to lay it on the line
for the 'Jam... You've been warned.
Brian
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:24:34 EDT
From: Jimbojorda@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: faq u 2
Message-ID: <1a215a5a.249759b2@aol.com>
i'm not sure if the thread about the identity of KJLB's vocal coach was
already resolved... but in case not, i thought i'd let y'all know that the
basic biography on the dreamtheater.net webpage has the info you were looking
for... again, sorry if this has already been answered. i just thought it was
funny that some of us who exclaim "read the FAQ!" were debating a question
answered in the basic bios. (dont attack me on this, i don't even mind the
"threads from hell" that continue to recur :)
directly from dreamtheater.net:
<<At age 21, he began vocal training with the renowned vocal coach Rosemary
Patricia Burns.>>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:49:06 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: It's a new age for Madsman
Message-ID: <002501beb703$8ca28a80$4c83fea9@madstation>
After reading the last 5 jams silently, seeing some statements that make
my blood boil, by people who tend to make my blood boil regularly, I am
thinking that this is a new age for me. :) I can't believe I'm letting the
bullshit that some of you just recently spewed slide. /me does the
telekinetic bitchslap dance.
Anyway, there are some comments on the last jam that bear addressing.
In the last 5 jams actually, but this one is tame enough that no one will
walk away in tears.
> btw.. i'd like to comment on LTE2.. it's BAD ASS.. that's all there is too
> it.. it's pure, untarnished fusion.. and after listening to it i'm all
giddy
> about hearing how jordan's going to perform in an all DT setting.. LTE2 is
> monsterous.. .i can't believe how well it turned.. everyone on this list
has
> an obligation to buy this album..
LTE 2 is indeed a MASSIVE MASSIVE improvement over LTE 1. This stuff
has boosted up my opinion of Mr. Portnoy enormously (always a fan, but I've
been so into the fusion thing... digging the Chambers/Covington/Colaiuta
kind of vibe lately). The guitar playing has taken a serious neo-classical
turn at times. There are a couple parts of WTWB that sound like Tony
MacAlpine. Jordan's playing is the equal of everything it's been, and his
synth lead sounds are (unfortunately slowly) improving, to my ears. The
music is much more structured and well thought out IMO... it just sounds to
my ears like the guys are much more into this than they were in LTE 1...
that or more comfortable writing together... or both. It's just a much more
solid album.
But to call it "fusion" is like calling Meat Loaf "prog." This is
totally UNfusion. I don't hear anything that really sounds like honest
improvisation, short of a few of Jordan's fills. This isn't a bad thing,
per se, but I don't see how you could call this fusion. Go pick up some
Tribal Tech or some early Holdsworth. Improv is a major, gigantic part of
almost all fusion, as fusion is an offshoot of jazz. LTE2 is pure
progressive music, by any definition of prog we use here... nothing more,
nothing less.
Planet X is great. I almost auditioned for their guitar slot once it
was announced that Brett wasn't going to remain in the band... not like I
would have gotten the slot... but now I hear Tony MacAlpine is probably
going to fill in the gap. Incredible. The opening epic (3 part tune) is
brutal, fantastic, original progressive, but with much more of a smooth feel
than LTE. LTE is very much about chops at times... like "I'm going to play
a solo, and show you that I am the king of this land" whereas Planet X is
more engulfing. I think I like the albums equally. Virgil Donati probably
has the most "limb independence" I have ever heard in my life. I get the
feeling there are quite a few times where the guy is holding back, too.
Derek has chops, and Garsed has chops. Great album. You will all say
"Damn!" when you hear it, and many of you will go into denial about Derek's
playing. He's a bad ass, and I still think he has the best lead sounds out
of any keyboardist I've ever heard. EVER.
I was thinking of starting a web based "transcription request" forum.
The idea behind it is that I don't enjoy A). transcribing every note and
every inflection through an entire song, when people generally only use
transcriptions to figure out the hard parts of songs, and B). I don't like
learning off of other people's transcriptions; in contrast, I do very much
enjoy transcribing the tough parts of songs, and I do like to help people
learn things that make them better players (because generally, I sort of get
better in the process... it's all about ME, remember?) Basically, I figured
I could set up a message board type thing where people could make specific
requests, and then various people could fill the request. Could be a good
learning tool for all involved. Any players who think this might be a good
idea (any instruments) drop me an e-mail. Please no transcription requests
yet. :)
Later on!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:08:42 EDT
From: AURACLE@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: NEARfest/Tim Alexander
Message-ID: <d895c3ae.2497721a@aol.com>
Greetings all...
Emerging from the shadows of lurkdom here to ask if there are any Jammers
from somewhere in the Northern New Jersey/New York City area who will be
attending NEARfest and would be willing to give a ride to a concert deprived,
transportationally-challenged prog fanatic - namely me. I'm happy, willing
and able to contribute money for fuel, tolls, lodging, etc. PLEASE respond
via private E-mail.
Oh, and by the way, Tim "Herb" Alexander has his own band these days, called
Laundry. (No truth to the rumor that their next album will be called "Rinse
Cycle". <g> Sorry, I just couldn't resist.) Some of you may recall that this
band actually put out its debut album, "Blacktongue," about five years ago or
so, while Alexander was still a member of Primus. It's a great album, dark
and heavy, with lots of Chapman Stick and percussive insanity. IMO, it's an
unsung prog-metal classic like Chris Poland's "Return to Metalopolis" --
hard to find but worth the money.
-- Jeff =^)
NP (through the Discman's headphones): "Vertu" - fusion is BACK!!!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:12:34 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Jon Finn, and things that suck
Message-ID: <37661902.A175B41@isd.net>
Thanks to the generosity of Jon Parmet, I have this Jon Finn CD...
This dude's band is incredible! Not only can Finn shred with the BEST
of them, but he has the RARE ability to make that geeetar TALK!
And the bass player! woo hoo... Joe Santerre groves. The drummer is no
slouch, either. The Jon Finn Group is truly a class act, you're doing yourself
a disservice if you don't check them out.
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DragynLMC3 wrote:
>~Lisa is listening to Ytseradio and feeling all better!
>"You suck" ~Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman...
NP: Jon Finn - "Don't Look So Serious"
--
Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist
^
Switchcraft Microsystems
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it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:17:45 -0400
From: David_Cuthbert@Interflora.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Alan Skolnik
Message-ID: <199906150517_MC2-7953-2D8B@compuserve.com>
CyberDuke asked:
> Who's this drummer Tim Alexander? Worked with someone else?
Tim 'Herb' Alexander is Ex Primus drummer, and he's is very very good.
If you've heard Primus stuff pre The Brown album then you will here
Herb, he's got some awesome grooves and makes 4/4 sound interesting
again, he's done quite a few side projects and I think he playing in a
band called Laundry at the moment.
Dave
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:07:45 -0500
From: Kevin Carmouche <khc@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Alan Parsons
Message-ID: <4.1.19990615050124.00920290@mail.msy.bellsouth.net>
Alan Parsons is exellent...If you like Pink Floyd I think you'll like Alan
Parsons...He's very progressive in that his albums all follow around a
certain theme(science fiction, Edgar Allen Poe, etc...) and his
arrangements of his songs are great, also he has several instrumental
tracks on his albums....I don't know, but hearing the full range of
instruments on his music, from guitars to synths to choirs to saxes to
orchestras just does it for me...hehe...He got his big start as a producer
for Pink Floyd, taking over for Norman "Hurricane" Smith...went on and
started his own project with an album using Edgar Allen Poe poetry as the
basis for his work...Parsons himself does the producing, arranging, and
minimal keyboard work on the albums, otherwise it is a revolving door of
various musicians, but somehow there is a unifying sound between the
albums...He's still out there, he's put a couple albums even in the
90's...On Air is a really good one, I also really like Stereotomy and The
Edgar Allen Poe album(I have all his stuff on CD, so I am a very very big
fan of his, you can't go wrong with any of his albums IMO....hehe)
np: Shadow Gallery "Carved in Stone"
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:59:30 +0200
From: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: The reason for a FAQ
Message-ID: <004001beb726$947cce00$c0e44382@janopsal>
Jonathan Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> answered....
> > Would it kill any of these "long-time fans" to answer someone new =
without=20
> > treating the person like they dont have enough sense to read some =
document=20
> > that they dont know how to find???
>
> Well, no, it probably wouldn't kill us, but we tell newbies to read =
the
> FAQ because it answers all of the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. =
Therefore,
> those newbies are newbies no longer and don't ask questions that we =
get
> tired of answering over and over and over...
How about politely telling them what a FAQ is and where they can find =
it,
in adittion to answering their question. Maybe just copy/paste what is =
in the
FAQ? What would be the big deal about that?
If someone askes a "stupid" question, there is probably a reason why =
they
haven't read the FAQ, right? Example: Some guy is a DT "freak", but =
doesn't
have an internet connection at home, so he goes to the library (or =
whatever)
to borrow a computer with an internet connection. As he is surfing the =
web,
he discovers that there is a big community of DT fans out there! Maybe =
he
can get some of all his DT-questions answered? He sends an e-mail to
someone (not nescesarrily the Jam) and askes why Moore left DT. In =
return
he gets "hatemail" saying "Read the fucking FAQ, dumb-ass!" The poor
guy will probably never dare to contact another DT-fan again..... And =
how
the heck will he know what a FAQ is if he is new to the net? Most of the
people who ask questions like that, are new to the internet, and will =
probably
find out what a FAQ is within a couple of weeks, but why not give them a =
nice
welcome? It would take you less time than you spend flaming someone on =
the
Jam anyway! You could even have a "template" e-mail saying something =
like:
You know, you can find most information about Dream Theater in the DT=20
FAQ (Dream Theater "Frequently Asked Questions") located on the=20
Official DT website ( http://www.dreamtheater.net ).
Here's what the FAQ has to say about Space-Dye Vest:
It's kinda' long, but it has all the information you'll ever want.
-----FAQ-------
7.3 Where are the samples in "Space-Dye Vest" from?
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
...And you could customize it to answer the question asked!
Is that too tough for you? Actually, I just used that e-mail (above)
to answer a qustion about Space-Dye Vest. And when I was new
to the internet, I thought it was GREAT to have people who could
help me with things like that. Even after reading the FAQ 3-4 times
there are things I have missed. Getting a "Read The F*** FAQ" -mail
when I ask someone for something wouldn't help me too much.
A nice mail saying "Hey pal, the answer is in section 5.8 of the FAQ
( + URL: )" would be great.
I have nothing better to do right now....
Any Nightwish fans out there?
Jonas Opsal - jonasops@online.no
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http://dreamtheater.tsx.org
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:49:52 EDT
From: EricPMetze@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: This day in Progressive Rock history...kinda.
Message-ID: <9bd99a51.2497a5f0@aol.com>
June 15, 1215
King John of England sealed the Magna Carta, the first charter of English
liberties, "in a meadow called Ronimed between Windsor and Staines," England.
With the Magna Carta, King John agreed to the demands of English barons who
wanted to limit the powers of the monarchy.
[eriC]
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:50:03 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE: The reason for a FAQ
Message-ID: <iss.4cda.37664bfa.7d4d8.1@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
Original Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
> How about politely telling them what a FAQ is and where they can find =
> it,
> in adittion to answering their question.
Ummm, everybody is told where the FAQ is. It's called a "welcome message,"
and you get it automatically when you sub to this list. It tells you where
the fag is, how to unsubscribe, and the answers to the rest of those
questions that some people keep asking because they're too lazy to read.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:06:51 +0200
From: Richard <karies@wxs.nl>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE 2 and Celestial Seasonings
Message-ID: <37664FEB.7376@wxs.nl>
Sometimes you learn a word and suddenly you find it popping up all
around you, even though it must have been there all that time before...
Something like that happened with the packet of "Celestial Seasonings"
[Liquid] Tension Tamer tea displayed in the LTE 2 booklet. I can't
remember ever having seen that particular brand of tea before, but ever
since I bought the album (last Saturday) I've seen those packets of tea
*twice*, once even the exact same 'Tension Tamer' type.
I think that's worthy of notion, so I decided to share it with you
guys. By the bye...expect an LTE2 review up at
http://www.fortysecond.net/w3m3 before the weekend.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:30:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Contradictory Songs
Message-ID: <19990615133010.29887.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- The Central Scrutinizer <hender@wam.umd.edu>
wrote:
> How about the Police's "Every Breath You Take"? A
> beautiful little
> song...about a stalker. People play that at their
> weddings!
That's really sick. People keep referring to it as a
love song, and it's on all of those cheesy love song
collections that are shown on TV. Have these people
never listened to the lyrics? I've had that rolling
in the back of my head for two years or something like
that now. Some people really are idiots.
===
*Trent
"They said that timing was everything,
made him want to be everywhere,
there's a lot to be said for nowhere."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men and all around cool guy
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:46:05 -0700
From: "Michael Patrick" <civilwar@my-deja.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Herb Alexander
Message-ID: <MBCNHECDLAPPDAAA@my-deja.com>
>Tim alexander used to play for primus, for some
>reason is now out of the band, and they brought in
>brain... tim was the man, not quite like portnoy,
>but still tore it up in his own right. i'm not
>sure what he's up to now but i imagine something
>in the musical realm...
I know he plays (smokingly I might add) on Michael Manring's possibly-out-of-print album 'Thonk'. He actually share drumming duties on that with Steve Smith, so from a drum perspective the album rules, and from a musical perspective, it's got Skolnick and Morse playing guitar and Manring on everything else.
He's also part of Attention Deficit with Manring and Skolnick.
Hmmm...I see a pattern forming here. I think Alexander and Manring like playing together.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:42:10 -0600
From: "Jason Barden" <jbarden@usdbs2.usdb.k12.ut.us>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Remote Hi-Hat Pedal
Message-ID: <B0005988462@usdbweb.usdb.k12.ut.us>
>>< I have my aux. hat on a cable. This is called a remote, or cable,
> hi-hat because it is a fully functional hi-hat, it can be opened and closed
> by the pedal. The pedal for the remote hi hat is seperaate from the main hi
> hat. ><
>
>> If it's separate from the main hats, then where is the pedal? Next to the
>> main hi-hat pedal? next to one of the bass pedals? where?
Wherever it's most comfortable and accessible. My Hi-Hat stand has
swiveling legs so I place my remote on the left of my hi-hat, and my double
pedal on the right of my hi-hat. I have all Tama gear so the foot boards
are all the same and fit nicely together.
I suppose you could put the remote pedal on the right of the double pedal
(with the hi-hat on the left), but that would interfere with the action of
the double pedal.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:21:18 PDT
From: Schnipp - <schnipp@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: dave mathews band-audience
Message-ID: <19990615152119.19180.qmail@hotmail.com>
hi folks, long time no see.
about six months ago we had the discussion about DT sometimes interacting
better w/audience than other times. a fellow jammer pointed out that he had
witnessed the same phenomenon at a 3 1/2 hour DMB concert. back then you
said you had a tape of that. now, i happened to come upon a DT gem which i'd
like to trade a copy off in exchange for a copy of that DMB concert. mail to
schnipp@bigfoot.com.
thanks,
schnipp
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: re: The big "M"
Message-ID: <19990615153301.3527.rocketmail@web103.yahoomail.com>
> Now, years later I see these people who have some
type of elitist attitude,
> about how they cannot stoop so fucking low as to
tell someone new who asks
> "Whats the big "M" for?" the answer without telling
them that they need to
> read the FAQ
Majesty (Previous name of Dream Theater). Unless
you're talking about M********. Then it's Metallica.
Then again maybe not. I'm all mixed up.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:32:46 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: A Ytse of Seasons <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: To Kevin or not to Kevin
Message-ID: <4.1.19990615112917.009e89f0@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
TW says:
>Hey everyone. I am a brand new jammer on the web but have been a DT fan for
>years.
and then went on to astound us with:
>and reactions for a few days now. I find such senseless feuding about such an
>unimportant topic-a change in keyboardist.
> Can we please cut the controversy between K & D since the new album
>will be a totally new experience for everyone?
Holy cow. You *sure* you're a newcomer, dude? Welcome to the list, you'll
get on just fine here.
/me points a finger. "See, even the new guy thinks the KevMo vs. Derek vs.
Jordan thing is stupid. Can we drop it now?"
ta,
Phil
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"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
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