YTSEJAM Digest 4907
Today's Topics:
1) RE: herb alexander
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
2) RE: Alan Parsons
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
3) Long songs... :)
by David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
4) RE: The reason for a FAQ
by "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
5) King's X Chicago show on July 25, age problems!!!
by YtseSryche@aol.com
6) RE: The reason for a FAQ
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4906
by StickS <sticks707@ftc-i.net>
8) But, wiping out a disk containing M$ products is a GOOD THING :)
by "Explorer.Zip" <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
9)
by J C <outlander28@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Remote Hi-Hat Pedal
by JamesAhab@aol.com
11) Re: (no subject)
by JamesAhab@aol.com
12) LTE2 comments
by Jeremy Smirnov <jsmirnov@heliossystems.com>
13) EVIL? Bwahahahaha
by "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
14) Bombay Vindaloo
by MaxArbot@aol.com
15) .*9
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
16) Re: Bombay Vindaloo
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:38:42 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: herb alexander
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980941F@messaging>
Herb has played on every Michael Manring album to date, and did Attention
Deficit as well (I believe that is how this thread started - it was also my
first exposure to the guy). He's also working with Alex Skolnick in
Skol-Patrol and various other side projects...
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ETebo323@aol.com [SMTP:ETebo323@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:55 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: herb alexander
>
>
> Tim alexander used to play for primus, for some reason is now out of the
> band, and they brought in brain... tim was the man, not quite like
> portnoy,
> but still tore it up in his own right. i'm not sure what he's up to now
> but
> i imagine something in the musical realm...
>
> Lata
> T
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:40:13 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: Alan Parsons
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649809420@messaging>
The producer for "The Wall" was Bob Ezrin, who also co-wrote "Comfortably
Numb", whether he is credited or not. He also appeared (as did Tony Levin)
on "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" in 1987, as a writer and performer...
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shams [SMTP:shams@drik.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:46 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Alan Parsons
>
>
> All the things that other people are saying is true.
> But the MAIN reason for his fame is He was the producer of Pink Floyds
> 'Dark Side'
> and 'Wish' albums.
>
> I dunno if he was in 'Wall' or not
>
> -shams
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:59:08 -0700
From: David Dixon <David@iisweb.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Long songs... :)
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE6F7@messaging>
Sorry to cross-post, but I'm on the Collective Soul mailing list as well,
and I thought DT fans would appreciate the humor (I sure did)... :)
>From: (deleted to protect the innocent)
>
> Ever heard of Meat Loaf? That guy has songs that last like, 10
>minutes.
> I Think Don McLean's "American Pie" is One of The
> Longest Songs Ever...It's
> Still On The Radio After Like, 7 Minutes...No
> Complant Here...This Song
> Rules..
I challenged this person to go listen to APSoG. Let's see what she
thinks... :)
David Dixon, MCP
Consultant
E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
david@iisweb.com
ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:31:10 +0200
From: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: RE: The reason for a FAQ
Message-ID: <001701beb74c$7dd71e00$a4e44382@janopsal>
]From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
>
> Responding To: "Jonas Opsal" <jonasops@online.no>
> Original Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
>=20
> > How about politely telling them what a FAQ is and where they can =
find =3D
> > it,
> > in adittion to answering their question.=20
>=20
> Ummm, everybody is told where the FAQ is. It's called a "welcome =
message,"=20
> and you get it automatically when you sub to this list. It tells you =
where=20
> the fag is, how to unsubscribe, and the answers to the rest of those=20
> questions that some people keep asking because they're too lazy to =
read.
Yea sure, the Jam has an informative welcome message, and that's good. =
But,
Dream Theater fans are in general, not only on the YtseJam, very quick =
to
bitch someone for not doing the research they themselves have done. =
That's
too bad. Because they could be very helping...=20
See the DT NewsGroup f.ex.! Ask a newbie question and get 4 replies =
saying
"Read The FAQ!!!" You don't get much of a "welcome message" there....
Of course I can understand the people who are sick of seeing the same
questions over and over again, but get over it! There will always be =
someone
who's new, and curious about something that WE all know. So, like
my father says: "If you don't have anything nice to say, please SHUT =
UP!"
You don't have to answer the stupid question, do you?
Am I the only one who feels this way?=20
Jonas Opsal - jonasops@online.no
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Surfing Into Infinity: (DT website)
http://dreamtheater.tsx.org
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:45:43 EDT
From: YtseSryche@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: King's X Chicago show on July 25, age problems!!!
Message-ID: <a26214da.2497dd37@aol.com>
Hey, I haven't been to a whole lot of concerts at all, and I really wanted to
see King's X play, but i checked ticketmaster and the July 25th show in
Chicago's House of Blues is 21 and older. Does that mean 21 or older and that
it or does it mean I need an adult with me. I'm pretty sure it's the former,
but I really hope not cause 15 isn't really quite 21! E-mail me at
YtseSryche@aol.com Thanks a bunch!
TonyC
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: RE: The reason for a FAQ
Message-ID: <19990615164900.29136.rocketmail@web507.yahoomail.com>
--- Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> Ummm, everybody is told where the FAQ is. It's
> called a "welcome message,"
> and you get it automatically when you sub to this
> list. It tells you where
> the fag is, how to unsubscribe, and the answers to
> the rest of those
> questions that some people keep asking because
> they're too lazy to read.
>
> -Brian
Hm. Fag, huh? I think I know what you meant.
Interesting typo tho.
In any event, when I joined the jam a few months ago
(January or thereabouts), I had basically no knowledge
of DT and didn't really pretend to. I skimmed about a
section of the FAQ before thinking "Get me outta
here!" I figured I could learn more about the band by
reading the bios on dreamtheater.net and reading what
everyone else had to say. I didn't post until I felt
I could contribute something of some value to whatever
discussion. A person doesn't necessarily need to read
the FAQ to have his/her questions answered. I'm not
even certain that it's a very good resource as I've
used it for jackshit. I'm very much a neophyte DT
fan, but I do know some things and I've never felt the
need to read the FAQ for anything. The only thing I
couldn't figure out was what LTE stood for. I
privately e-mailed a list member (I think it might've
been Korg, or perhaps Al) and asked my question. The
response was "LTE stands for Liquid Tension
Experiment. That's a band featuring Mike, Jordan,
John and Tony Levin. They just released an CD and
they're about to perform a few club gigs to promote
it. However, all of this is in the FAQ." Did I read
the FAQ? Nope. But all my FAQ-like answers (except
for one) were answered simply by shutting up and
letting the other list members answer my questions
before I ask them. One example of a question that was
answered that I never asked was who in the hell were
the Derek and Kevin characters and what the hell was
the rivalry about. Listening to DT albums and reading
the jam answered that question. A FAQ isn't totally
necessary, IMHO.
To recap, there's nothing wrong with helping someone
who's in need. Sending them a nastygram telling them
to read the FAQ along with several expletives does
nothing to make friends, nor does it give a good
impression of the jam. Hospitality is what music is
all about, right people?
===
*Trent
"They said that timing was everything,
made him want to be everywhere,
there's a lot to be said for nowhere."
* Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men and all around cool guy
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:19:15 -0400
From: StickS <sticks707@ftc-i.net>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4906
Message-ID: <000701beb753$34ebf4c0$151790cf@StickS707>
I guess I should have clarified a little more. My remote hat is on the
right side of my kit, near the ride. The pedal is on the left side of my
main stand (with swivel legs) and my double pedal is on the right side of my
main hat. Similar to Jasons. I once had my remote hats located above my
main hats, but that didn't work as well. When I get a set of 12 or 10 hats,
i might put those above my mains. I have a birdseye view of my set at
http://web.infoave.net/~sticks707/DrumPic4.htm . This is an older picture,
but you can get an idea of what we are talking about.
http://web.infoave.net/~sticks707/welcome.htm has links to other pics of my
set. You can also go to the web sites of the major drum compnies to see
configs of their endorsers set-ups. If ya need the addys just private email
me and I'll hook ya up.
StickS
StickS707@ftc-i.net
http://web.infoave.net/~sticks707
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:28:12 +0000
From: "Explorer.Zip" <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: But, wiping out a disk containing M$ products is a GOOD THING :)
Message-ID: <37668D2C.2C70@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Al on Finn's drummer:
> The drummer is no slouch, either.
Sadly, DiCenso is no longer the drummer. An extremely difficult act to
follow (or perhaps shoes to fill? :), but the new guy isn't bad. Dana
Robertson, I believe. Played with Missing Persons. I saw his debut jam
with Finn and was impressed with how much of the material he nailed.
Dave's doin' his own thing now in a pure FUNK band,
http://www.twotonshoe.com and he's still quite sick on a small kit.
Of course, Finn is still quite ill. Go buy "Wicked"..... N O W !!! Need
some reasons other than I command you to? :)
Ok:
#1 It's progressive sometimes. It's progressive fusion sometimes.
#2 There's a part to the beginning of a song (Pompous Music Suite: 3rd
Movement) which is in 15/<pick some power of 2>. I don't believe they're
doing it by feel; I believe it was all carefully conceived, charted and
quite tightly executed :) It's one of my favorite parts of the disc.
They then go into a freetime something or other. It's whacked.
#3 Jon plays Ibanez.
#4 John Petrucci has a solo on one of the songs!
Regards,
Jon
-- "There are more love songs than anything else. If songs could make you do something we'd all love one another." - Zappa------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:44:41 EDT From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Message-ID: <19990615174442.79662.qmail@hotmail.com>
Example: Some guy is a DT "freak", but doesn't have an internet connection at home, so he goes to the library (or whatever) to borrow a computer with an internet connection. As he is surfing the web, he discovers that there is a big community of DT fans out there! Maybe he can get some of all his DT-questions answered? He sends an e-mail to someone (not nescesarrily the Jam) and askes why Moore left DT. In return he gets "hatemail" saying "Read the fucking FAQ, dumb-ass!" The poor guy will probably never dare to contact another DT-fan again..... And how the heck will he know what a FAQ is if he is new to the net? Most of the people who ask questions like that, are new to the internet, and will probably find out what a FAQ is within a couple of weeks, but why not give them a nice welcome? It would take you less time than you spend flaming someone on the Jam anyway!
EXACTLY MY POINT! (At least someone knows how to read)
-------------------------------------- It tells you where the fag is, how to unsubscribe, and the answers to the rest of those questions that some people keep asking because they're too lazy to read.
I know where the "fag" is......sorry man ;> (couldnt resist)
Majesty (Previous name of Dream Theater)
SEE how easy that was?.......stop being so stuffy people besides there are more DT fans in other countries besides the states as well and if you slam them for not reading the FAQ then they might understand your intention as well as i have ;>
And that, will make you look like a bunch of American dicks!
END OF TRANSMISSION
(if you feel the need to flame me further do so privately)
Outlander
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:58:56 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Remote Hi-Hat Pedal Message-ID: <f1a45689.2497ee60@aol.com>
>< Wherever it's most comfortable and accessible. My Hi-Hat stand has swiveling legs so I place my remote on the left of my hi-hat, and my double pedal on the right of my hi-hat. I suppose you could put the remote pedal on the right of the double pedal (with the hi-hat on the left), but that would interfere with the action of the double pedal. ><
I get it now. It's connected by a cable so you can put it wherever you want. When this discussion came up, I went back and looked at Mike's instruction video and the overhead shot of his set-up, and saw no pedals for his remote hats. that confused me.
jim
np-angra:holy land, spocks beard:day 4 night, symphonyx:twilight in olympus
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:15:50 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <25ff77fc.2497f256@aol.com>
>< Example: Some guy is a DT "freak", but doesn't have an internet connection at home, so he goes to the library (or whatever) to borrow a computer with an internet connection. he discovers that there is a big community of DT fans out there! He sends an e-mail to someone... ><
Can't send e-mail if you're using the internet on a library computer. I'll have to assume the "or whatever."
>< ...and askes why Moore left DT. In return he gets "hatemail" saying "Read the fucking FAQ, dumb-ass!" The poor guy will probably never dare to contact another DT-fan again... ><
He wouldn't get "hatemail" saying "Read the fucking FAQ, dumb-ass!" he'd get e-mail saying "The answer to that any many, many more questions is in the Dream Theater FAQ at dreamtheater.net." Since this e-mail is not jam-related, they'd assume that the person asking the question isn't on the Jam and thus may not know to "read the FAQ."
>< And how the heck will he know what a FAQ is if he is new to the net? ><
FAQs aren't restricted to the internet.
The only instance I can think of where "read the FAQ" isn't good enough is when a person has a computer so slow (such as myself - 50mhzs of turtle slowness), that they literally can't "read the FAQ."
But when all is said and done, the inhabitants of the jam and their precious FAQ aren't as evil as you'd like to think.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:25:49 -0500 From: Jeremy Smirnov <jsmirnov@heliossystems.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE2 comments Message-ID: <01BEB733.0D977F40.jsmirnov@heliossystems.com>
Well, got my LTE2 yesterday.... It's unfuckingbelievable.... Amazing stuff... although I do have a couple of comments...
I love the production on the disk, although when Acid Rain kicked in I wasn't too impressed with the snare sound... That whole "aluminum can" sound... Although not as bad as ACOS, but still noticeable... Once you get used to it though, it sounds fine. I also don't care that much for Liquid Dreams, so I usually skip that one. Chewbacca also has some really WEIRD parts, although after a couple of listens, I liked it... Overall, the album would probably get 9/10 from me, so anyone that doesnt have it, GET IT!!!
And now, for my biggest bitch... =) I don't think I can tolerate an accordeon sound in Another Dimension. The whole tune rocks, but man... that accordeon thing makes me cringe.. =)
anyway, jam on! =)
Jeremy
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:31:32 -0400 From: "Kez" <kez@spectrum-internet.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: EVIL? Bwahahahaha Message-ID: <001201beb75d$4b912ec0$0200005a@Kez>
James Ahab blurted:
> >But when all is said and done, the inhabitants of the jam and their precious >FAQ aren't as evil as you'd like to think. >
Oh yes we are, and don't you dare tell anyone otherwise. We don't want ANY interlopers in our secret club. So read the FAQ, and then PISS OFF!
Yes, Kez is kidding get over it
some people are just jerks. get over it
Read the FAQ! get over it
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:52:57 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: <d598ef84.2497fb09@aol.com>
Anyone have the recipe for this wonderful drink (if it is a drink)?
[eriC]
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:57:44 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: .*9 Message-ID: <3766A228.CDCFBA3C@mol.com.mk>
> From: "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg> > Subject: re: Alex Skolnick > > >Who's this drummer Tim Alexander? Worked with someone else? > > Dushko, shame on you! :-))))))) > Haven't you heard the magic word "Primus"???
Ooooo, excuuuuuuse me B'lgarcheto! :) I haven't heard, why, are they any good? :)
> Victor, the happiest (and only) Bulgarian Jammer
I think there's one more here bro! :) But I surely AM the one and only MACEDONIAN jammer! ;o))
> >Can someone direct me to a/send me Alex Skolnick photo!? > > Aye. You can also try picking up any old Testament CD from 1994
Nope, I'll skip paying 20$ for a Testament CD just to see him! :)
> From: J C <outlander28@hotmail.com> > > Oh make no mistake, I fully understand what a > horrible, despicable thing i have done
No you don't! :) You'll realize some months later! Anyway man, you can understand jammers. The moment they (we) see a subject line Top 10 list we have a heart attack! And I guess flaming is easier than explaining the things! But aren't new subsribers receiving that 1-st ytsejam mail that explain some of the house rules??? IF they are read much can be prevented!
You should've seen man some time ago when one punk posted his 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 50 TOP TEN things!!! It drove everyone nuts, and you can't judge that! I believe there are still people here that sharpen their Rambo knife, dreaming of revenege toward him. :)
--------- CyberDuke
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9906151509550.1236-100000@mariner.cris.com>
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 MaxArbot@aol.com wrote:
> Anyone have the recipe for this wonderful drink (if it is a drink)?
There has been some confusion over this for quite some time. There is an explanation in the FAQ (shock!) claiming that it is a "hot spicy herb/pepper served on Indian food". However, I was once at an Indian restaurant and I ordered the Spicy Chicken Vindaloo. I later asked the waiter what a vindaloo is. He said <indian-accent> "A vindaloo is a potato." </indian-accent> Indeed there were potatoes in the dish. The possibility exists, however, that the waiter was bullshitting me.
I later informed the FAQ maintainer of this discovery, but since anything I say is invalid, it never found its way into the FAQ.
Anyone care to confirm the waiter's statement?
Lovingly,
Rick Audet San Francisco
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