YTSEJAM Digest 4908
Today's Topics:
1) Finn/Bozzio
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
2) Re: Bombay Vindaloo
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
3) Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer!
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
4) Re: Subject: RE: Alan Parsons
by "Dave Leon" <masterpsy@mindspring.com>
5) whoopiiiiiiiiiii
by "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk>
6) LTE II
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
7) Vindaloo
by "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com>
8) The DT FAQ, information, and you....
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
9) Re: Vindaloo
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
10) RE: The reason for a FAQ
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
11) Agh! One more thing
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
12) vindaloo and library computers
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
13) Re: Long songs... :)
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
14) Progressive rock in Austin Powers, etc., continued
by MentalHunk@aol.com
15) Re: Bombay Vindaloo
by "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
16) RE: Bombay Vindaloo again
by "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
17) Re: Progressive rock in Austin Powers, etc., continued
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
18) Re: Bombay Vindaloo
by "Michael Tilson" <mtilson@ionet.net>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:57:16 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Finn/Bozzio
Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC8F54BB@hamsxha2.hanscom.af.mil>
>From: "Explorer.Zip" <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
>Subject: But, wiping out a disk containing M$ products is a GOOD
THING :)
>
>Dana Robertson, I believe. Played with Missing Persons.
Hey! Terry Bozzio's old outfit! :)
>#4 John Petrucci has a solo on one of the songs!
And a smokin' solo it is, I might add. This is a great disc - a
must-have if you're into progressive fusion guitar rock.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo
Message-ID: <19990615201643.18405.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com>
Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> wrote:
> There has been some confusion over this for quite
some time. There is
> an explanation in the FAQ (shock!) claiming that it
is a "hot spicy
> herb/pepper served on Indian food". However, I was
once at an Indian
> restaurant and I ordered the Spicy Chicken Vindaloo.
I later asked the
> waiter what a vindaloo is. He said <indian-accent>
"A vindaloo is a
> potato." </indian-accent> Indeed there were potatoes
in the dish. The
> possibility exists, however, that the waiter was
bullshitting me.
> Anyone care to confirm the waiter's statement?
AFAIK, vindaloo is a recipe consisting of typical
indian spices with the addition of crushed, dried red
pepper. Potatoes really don't have anything to do with
it, although they can be added to any recipe.
I.e., you were bullshitted. (Unless you ordered
Potatoes Vindaloo).
Try these recipes at home. Don't eat at the restuarant
again if you know what's good for you.
http://dinnercoop.cs.cmu.edu/dinnercoop/Recipes/sanjiv/LambVindaloo.html
http://www.slip.net/~mcfarlin/british/vindaloo.html
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 14:17:45 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Bombay Vindaloo blows the FAQ out of Fred Meyer!
Message-ID: <004d01b7fdba$25f90880$0201010a@chuck>
>restaurant and I ordered the Spicy Chicken Vindaloo. I later asked the
>waiter what a vindaloo is. He said <indian-accent> "A vindaloo is a
I thought it was a Spicy Chicken Dish all this time, too. heheh. Jeez, the
LatM discussions are ancient and the ridge in my brain is evening out, but I
think Mike did name the jam "Bombay Vindaloo" after a spicy chicken dish of
the same name.
But there could've been potatoes in it, too. That we were never informed
of. :) Maybe Bombay is Indian for chicken or something.
As far as the FAQ thing goes. What is the purpose of a FAQ if it isn't
used? Whenever I go anywhere on the 'net looking for an answer to
something, I specifially start with a >FAQ<. I wonder why someone would do
that? If I need drivers for my Voodoo 3 card to play Need for Speed III,
I'll go read the Voodoo 3 FAQ first to make sure I can't get a nice easy
answer to my question there. If it's not there, I'll do a site engine
search or something, THEN I'll head to a message board. Even then, I scan
the last 100 previous messages of the board to see if my question's already
been asked and only then will I post my question. I mean, I really don't
mind answering questions for people at all, but there's a person somewhere
who sets aside time to put together a list to answer these common questions
for people. There's a reason it's there. It's user friendly, it has HTML
hyperlinks, etc. Use it. Hell, I still do sometimes! There's nothing
shameful in reading a FAQ for cricket's sakes! So chill and read it! :)
And on a lighter note: Fred Meyer rocks. Everytime I go into the
electronics dept. of the local Fred Meyer here in Southern Hickridden Idaho,
they're always playing something cool for the ambient background music. The
1st time I noticed it was Asia's "Only Time Will Tell." Last time it was
Rush's "Prime Mover," and today it was Savatage's "Strange Ways." I NEVER
thought I'd hear old Sava-stuff played in a public place like that.
Especially around here. :) I just thought that was cool.
-- KorgX3 NP: Asia - Aqua------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:13:26 -0500 From: "Dave Leon" <masterpsy@mindspring.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Subject: RE: Alan Parsons Message-ID: <01c001beb773$eabb0640$4f19f5d0@oemcomputer>
Alan Parsons started his career as assistant engineer on "Let It Be" and the "Abbey Road" album. He also did engineering on various Paul McCartney projects. His big break came engineering Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon. That was the last album Parsons worked with Floyd on. Parsons produced some of Al Stewarts best records, Time Passages and Year of the Cat. Soon after he formed Alan Parsons Project with colaborator, Eric Woolfson.
APP will not win over all Pink Floyd fans, although some APP resembles Pink Floyd music. For example, the APP song "Time" resembles Pink Floyd's "Us and Them". Alan Parsons Project tends to be popish--Parsons albums are progressive pop, with a lot of keyboards and occasional instrumental tracks. My favorite APP album is Pyramid. Some of the early APP music truely is beautiful, but stay away from the later APP music as it is pure crap, IMO.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:13:19 +0100 From: "Simon Long Krogh" <finn2@get2net.dk> To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: whoopiiiiiiiiiii Message-ID: <001701be2878$3ce85c00$1f852fc3@flskesteg>
Outlander begged: > >(if you feel the need to flame me further do so privately) >
hear, hear! OK, here's the thing: if someone posts something that you find deeply and utterly offensive (like outlanders message a few jams back) and you feel that you must state that you totally disagree with him/her...pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease do it PRIVATELY! Spare us from flamewars that hold just as little content as ie the top-whatever lists...THAT'S NOT WHY WE JOINED THE YTSEJAM!
BTW. I've seen a couple of posts from the god of drums himself (that's MP for all you heathens) but are the other guys on here too?
Take care now, bye-bye then
Simon Long Krogh
NP: Dreamtheater - The Ytsejam
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:27 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: LTE II Message-ID: <199906152116.OAA24046@knight.axnet.net>
Well I picked up this little gem at midnight last night, and I must say that it makes the first LTE look like a quietly steaming heap of dung. I expected a better album given the longer time they had to write and, as Chris noted, an increased playing chemistry, but nothing of this extreme. Production wise, I am very pleased. I recall some talk a few months back complaining that Shirley, though capable of getting good sounds and a good mix, his albums (specifically FII) remain sonically flat. I find no evidence of that here. Especially with Petrucci's riffing. The heavy guitar part on Paradigm Shift (right after the opening when the double bass kicks in) always struck me as very fuzzy sounding. Not the case here...the heavy riffs in Acid Rain and Another Dimension are very crisp...I like it. Secondly, I really dig Mike's looser feel throughout this album. Much as I admire the precision on Awake, it's nice to hear a prog drummer loosen the time a bit, especially with such busy melodic work from the guitar and keys. My only complaint is that his fills have gotten a bit predictable. I found myself air-drumming along to some of the ostinato patterns and air playing the EXACT thing that Mike did...and I'd never heard any of this stuff before. Or maybe it's why I like Mike's playing so much...he thinks like me...who knows. :) Jordan. I'll agree with Mr. Ptacek once again with the asssertion that his lead sounds are getting better. Some of his synth unison lines with Petrucci really cut. His playing overall is superb. I don't know about the rest of you, but I was air drumming along to Biaxident during the killer keyboard shit with this ridiculous grin on my face. Thank god my roommate didn't walk in on me. :) I imagine I looked like a dork. I LOVE the Chapman stick...it's unique melodic capabilities seem quite suited to the peculiar constraints of prog-rock and it really shines here. Tony has this ability to play the "right" thing all the time. I'd love to play with a bassist (stickist?) like him. I wish it were a little higher in the mix, though. God I write too much when I post. I can go on, but most of you probably haven't made it this far anyway (I know I haven't). -Rahul Ananda-
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:06 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" <rananda@mcn.com> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Vindaloo Message-ID: <199906152116.OAA24050@knight.axnet.net>
Vindaloo is NOT a potato. The waiter was fucking with you, Rick. Vindaloo is just a specific combination of spices (or curry as non-Indians like to call it) applied to meat based and some vegetable based dishes. It is generally very spicy, though restaurants in this country tone it down quite a bit to make it more appealing to the average American palette. My mom's Vindaloo kicks ass, though she's not Marathi (the dish is specific to Western India, the Bombay area...SURPRISE!). If anyone wants to know how to make a Vindaloo drop me an e-mail and I can tell you, though you'll need to go to an Indian grocery store to find the correct ingredients. Or whoever runs the FAQ now can add it. -Rahul Ananda-
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:26:06 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: The DT FAQ, information, and you.... Message-ID: <3766C4EE.640D@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> There will always be someone who's new, and curious about something > that WE all know. So, like my father says: "If you don't have anything > nice to say, please SHUT UP!" > You don't have to answer the stupid question, do you?
No, but human nature being what is, someone MUST in a way that pisses someone else off :) I'm not defending the behavior, in case it wasn't obvious.
> Am I the only one who feels this way?
Doubtful...
Here's another way to look at it perhaps? The folk who have helped create, modify and maintain the DT FAQ are not getting paid to do it. Yet they have certainly done more than a half-assed job at it. If I were one of them, I might feel like someone is spitting at me if they wouldn't take the time to find out about it. To those who are on several hundred list, perhaps the welcoming message may be considered like junk mail.
Most peeps that are intelligent enough to post to ytsejam, check a newsgroup, or surf, are intelligent enough to be able to find the FAQ, wouldn't you agree. Even those who are the most novice of surfers most likely know about a Search Engine. C'mon, how else do they find the latest in bizarre porn sites? :)))
It's not about whether people think they're better or not becuase they have knowledge someone else doesn't. It's about moving getting people up to speed quicker. The glass is half full. One read on the FAQ and you have more knowledge than it would take <n> digests of reading to gather.
Peace,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:34:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Vindaloo Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.05.9906151729020.9364-100000@mariner.cris.com>
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Rahul Ananda wrote:
> Vindaloo is NOT a potato. The waiter was fucking with you, Rick.
At least I didn't rule out the possibility. :)
> Vindaloo is just a specific combination of spices (or curry > as non-Indians like to call it) applied to meat based and some > vegetable based dishes. It is generally very spicy, though > restaurants in this country tone it down quite a bit to make > it more appealing to the average American palette. My mom's > Vindaloo kicks ass, though she's not Marathi (the dish is specific > to Western India, the Bombay area...SURPRISE!).
Bravo! Let's have it put in the FAQ! Er... nevermind. That would probably take about a year to happen.
Warm and fuzzy,
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:57:11 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: RE: The reason for a FAQ Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990615215711.01279160@pi-r-squared.com>
> >How about politely telling them what a FAQ is and where they can find = >it, >in adittion to answering their question. Maybe just copy/paste what is = >in the >FAQ? What would be the big deal about that? >
Okay, I'm finally going to chime in on this issue. You bring up a good point here, YES a FAQ is in place so that we don't have to answer the same questions over and over, and it IS there as an educational tool (I know it was useful as hell to me). With this in mind, I do think it would be a wise idea (in addition to being more convenient) to direct people toward the FAQ when they ask a question. However, there is no reason you should take offense, or be rude about actually doing this, especially if you KNOW the person asking the question is new. Give them the url of the faq and tell em to look there, but there's no reason any hostility should be attached to this (IE: Are you blind, or just stupid? It's all in the damn FAQ!). What's the big deal? NONE of us knew absolutely everything there is to know about DT when we first came on-line, so there's no reason we should take offense to educating new people in the same manner.
Also, what is the deal with this "stupid question" statement I keep see being thrown around? I'm sorry but "what's the M thing mean" or "James' real name is Kevin?!" are NOT stupid questions. They are things that are not inherently obvious by listening to DT albums or reading the liner notes, and they are things that I am sure a lot of us did not know before we read the FAQ. A stupid question would be something like "Who wrote the lyrics to ACOS??" or "Who's Jon Petrucci?" I know this sounds like semantics but it reflects the underlying attitudes of a lot of people on here. Now I'm not damning anybody, just questioning why these attitudes exist in the first place. Blah.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:59:21 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Agh! One more thing Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990615215921.0128a64c@pi-r-squared.com>
Doh! Before I get the "it's in the welcome message stupid" flame as well, I'm also referring to questions that might be asked of people on the Ytsejam irc channel, where I believe I have seen this attitude as well.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:04:17 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: vindaloo and library computers Message-ID: <3766CDE1.7B865AF8@ucla.edu>
In my experience, a vindaloo is a really spicy Indian curry dish. I suppose you could put it in the food processor and grind it to a drinkable consistency ;)
> Can't send e-mail if you're using the internet on a library computer. What kind of libraries have you been in? You obviously can't use the ones that have replaces the card catlogues, but most libraries I have been too have regular PCs as well. Maybe this is just because the only libraries I've been too lately are on campus.
~~Amanda
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:05:12 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Long songs... :) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990615220512.01282aa0@pi-r-squared.com>
>I challenged this person to go listen to APSoG. Let's see what she >thinks... :)
How about ACOS? I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to think APSOG as one long song, it's a cd. ;) If the tracks are divided people won't care, Pink Floyd's Dark Side falls in to the same category but a lot of people who hate long songs love the album just cuz it's got track divisions. Give em a real treat(?) and make em listen to some loooong DT ;)
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:32:18 EDT From: MentalHunk@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Progressive rock in Austin Powers, etc., continued Message-ID: <220daa52.24982e72@aol.com>
As was mentioned, they call Alan Parsons progressive rock in the new Austin Powers flick.... I visited a record store today and saw they had a progressive rock section....I found music by Artists such as Sting there...none of what we call "Prog".... Maybe they consider DT progressive metal, who knows.... To quote Chris DeGarmo when asked to describe Queensryche's music, "We'd be happy if you just looked us up under Q " I don't think anyone could've said it better....
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:35:42 -0400 From: "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: <000601beb787$c90b9500$22e9fea9@oemcomputer>
>From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> >On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 MaxArbot@aol.com wrote: >> Anyone have the recipe for this wonderful drink (if it is a drink)?
Bombay indeed refers to the city in India, not the gin, sorry!
>explanation in the FAQ (shock!) claiming that it is a "hot spicy >herb/pepper served on Indian food". It's actually a spice mixture/marinade not unlike a curry or masala. It's usually very hot. So the faq's not *quite* right. :)
>He said <indian-accent> "A vindaloo is a potato." </indian-accent> >Indeed there were potatoes in the dish. The >possibility exists, however, that the waiter was bullshitting me.
I would say he was. The only word I know for potato is "aloo". But then, India has like 15 languages on it's currency, so who knows.
And yes, I have a recipe if you still want one. It no, does not call for potatoes.
- Dave Neff (nerf1@erols.com) http://www.erols.com/nerf1
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:49:17 -0400 From: "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: RE: Bombay Vindaloo again Message-ID: <001101beb789$ae95ad80$22e9fea9@oemcomputer>
What with me not having a brain, I missed this little snippet from "Hot & Spicy Cooking" from Better Homes & Gardens:
"Vindaloos are curry dishes that originated with Portugese Christians in western India. These dishes involve marinating meat or poultry in a spicy vinegar mixture and then cooking the meat in that mixture. They can be mouth-searing..." etc.
So there. - Dave Neff (nerf1@erols.com) http://www.erols.com/nerf1
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:15:04 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Progressive rock in Austin Powers, etc., continued Message-ID: <19990616001504.29961.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
--- MentalHunk@aol.com wrote: > I found music by Artists such as Sting > there...none of what we > call "Prog".... > Maybe they consider DT progressive metal, who > knows....
Don't let it get to you. Some slapdick drummer magazine labeled KoRn as a "progressive" band. Hell, even Ben Folds Five has been labeled as being prog. 90% of these idiots know not of what they speak. Hell with 'em. === *Trent
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:10:28 -0700 From: "Michael Tilson" <mtilson@ionet.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: <001101beb78c$a6dda2c0$113136d1@michaelt>
>> Anyone have the recipe for this wonderful drink (if it is a drink)?
>There has been some confusion over this for quite some time. There is an explanation in the FAQ (shock!) claiming that it is a "hot spicy herb/pepper served on Indian food". However, I was once at an Indian restaurant and I ordered the Spicy Chicken Vindaloo. I later asked the waiter what a vindaloo is. He said <indian-accent> "A vindaloo is a potato." </indian-accent> Indeed there were potatoes in the dish. The possibility exists, however, that the waiter was bullshitting me.
>I later informed the FAQ maintainer of this discovery, but since anything I say is invalid, it never found its way into the FAQ.
>Anyone care to confirm the waiter's statement?
According to Webster's, a vindaloo is "a curried dish of Indian origin made with meat or shellfish, garlic, and wine or vinegar."
Mike
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